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From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Jun  1 17:14:10 2011
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:14:10 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Boris is broken
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106011701160.6850@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Our can crusher, Boris, is dying. Boris will be warmly remembered for his 
inability to crush undented cans, a deficiency which led to his untimely 
demise in the form of bent arms.

Given a quick search on google, it appears there are exactly 2 designs of 
wall-mounted can crusher available; 99% that look like Boris, and 1% that 
do not. Given the failure of Boris, I think we should look at something 
slightly stronger, such as 
http://www.shopwiki.com/_Easy-Pull-Auto-Dispensing-No-Mess-Can-Crusher

Anyway, I'll add that to the agenda for this Friday.

Bob Adamson
UCC President

|"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous        |
|attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |


From 20148763 at student.uwa.edu.au  Wed Jun  1 18:10:12 2011
From: 20148763 at student.uwa.edu.au (Stuart Paton)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:10:12 +0800
Subject: [committee] Boris is broken
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106011701160.6850@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106011701160.6850@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=5_V5R6dsQ4fJBr7Bh-JBSb+pzqg@mail.gmail.com>

Heh. I'm surprised my crappy drawing and stuff stayed up as long as it did.

On 1 June 2011 17:14, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> Our can crusher, Boris, is dying. Boris will be warmly remembered for his
> inability to crush undented cans, a deficiency which led to his untimely
> demise in the form of bent arms.
>
> Given a quick search on google, it appears there are exactly 2 designs of
> wall-mounted can crusher available; 99% that look like Boris, and 1% that
> do not. Given the failure of Boris, I think we should look at something
> slightly stronger, such as
> http://www.shopwiki.com/_Easy-Pull-Auto-Dispensing-No-Mess-Can-Crusher
>
> Anyway, I'll add that to the agenda for this Friday.
>
> Bob Adamson
> UCC President
>
> |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous ? ? ? ?|
> |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" |
> | ---Peter's Laws ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|
>
>

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Jun  2 17:00:01 2011
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Thu,  2 Jun 2011 17:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 24 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20110602090001.AB1466006C@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

oxinabox : [*OX] Can we get another box for the crimping tools? There are so many of them and they take up all the space in the tool box, and they arn't often used (compared to the pilars)
bob : purchase new can crusher

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Jun  3 11:00:01 2011
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri,  3 Jun 2011 11:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 6 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20110603030001.09BE46006C@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

oxinabox : [*OX] Can we get another box for the crimping tools? There are so many of them and they take up all the space in the tool box, and they arn't often used (compared to the pilars)
bob : purchase new can crusher

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Jun  3 16:15:01 2011
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri,  3 Jun 2011 16:15:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 45 minute warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20110603081501.97B316006C@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

oxinabox : [*OX] Can we get another box for the crimping tools? There are so many of them and they take up all the space in the tool box, and they arn't often used (compared to the pilars)
bob : purchase new can crusher

From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Jun  3 22:31:13 2011
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:31:13 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Next Meeting
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106032226530.21270@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi All,

Good luck for exams! The next meeting will be at the end of exams on June 
24th. Please let me know if you somehow have an exam after that date and 
we can reschedule. Hopefully we'll see each other at some impromptu lan or 
hardware hacking night before then.

Bob Adamson
UCC President

|"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous        |
|attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |


From danielax at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 00:16:42 2011
From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel Axtens)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 00:16:42 +0800
Subject: [committee] Incorporation: Memorandum of Understanding
Message-ID: <99A7D05C-5579-48B1-8545-317B7FEEDB08@gmail.com>

Hi all,

You may be aware that the guild was requiring us to sign a MOU in order to incorporate. You may also remember previous emails regarding our concerns with the MOU.

Our concerns were mostly that the agreement seemed to be unenforceable. As it turns out, the Guild did not intend the MOU to be legally binding (and incorrectly believed that MOUs are never enforceable.)

Obviously this changed the situation considerably. The committee was of the opinion that having a gentleman's agreement with the guild was perfectly acceptable, and voted by email to accept the MOU. The MOU was duly signed and the amended constitution was delivered to the Department of Commerce earlier this week.

The upshot is that the UCC's legal position is unchanged: we retain full legal control over our money at all times. The document states that we intend to transfer our resources to the guild if we permanently dissolve, but there's no legal obligation to do so --- the guild take us to court to make us.

As always, if you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

Best regards,
[DJA]

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Jun  9 18:44:04 2011
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Sam Moore)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:44:04 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] On Holidays during Midsemester break
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106091829590.10735@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi,

As the subject may suggest, I will be on holiday in Europe, 
specifically from the 28th of June until the 26th of July.

Please accept my apologies for any committee meetings held between these 
dates, which I will be unable to attend on account of not being in the 
country. I would like to offer my support to all sensible ideas, and deny 
my support to all stupid ideas suggested during my absence.

I will (obviously) still be able to attend the next meeting on the 24th 
of June, so I will remind everyone again then.


Good luck with exams (or if you don't have exams, Good luck without them)!

Sam Moore (matches)
[SZM]
OCM 2011

From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Jun  9 22:59:31 2011
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:59:31 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Constitution Page Updated
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106092256580.21270@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

I've updated the http://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/const.ucc page 
with the new constitution. Could a couple of people please check it 
matches the pdf (linked to on the page)?

I've double checked all the links work, but things like tiny/huge spelling 
and grammar issues may have gotten through.

Bob Adamson
UCC President

|"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous        |
|attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |


From maset at ucc.asn.au  Thu Jun 16 02:16:48 2011
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:16:48 +0800
Subject: [committee] Cheap desktops for UCC
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=ajOete7jyGGjE6DB-DtgRkiBB2A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

 Would a few of the Zazz computers (http://www.zazz.com.au/) be
 suitable to fill out the benches of UCC with some linux desktop boxes?

 $145 with shipping.

 Intel Pentium Dualcore 2.8Ghz processor
 SMSC LPC47M182-NR I/O Controller Hub
 Intel 945G + ICH7 chipset
 1GB DDR2 SDRAM (2 sockets total - 512 MB in each slot)
 80GB SATA hard drive
 DVD- RW drive
 10/100/1000 Ethernet RJ45
 1x PCI Express x16 expansion slot
 1x PCI 2.2 5V

For the corridor at least?

 Cheers,
Anil.

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Jun 17 14:26:33 2011
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Sam Moore)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:26:33 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Quiz Night Tickets
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106171403340.19823@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>


--The tl;dr--
Tickets are made. When you need to sell them, you should read this FIRST.

--Prologue--

Tickets have been printed and cut, at a total cost of $1 (for rubber 
bands) and about 10 sheets of fluro green paper that were lying in the cupboard.

--The numbering of the tickets--

The tickets are numbered per table, with 8 tickets per table. ie: 1A 1B 
... 18F 18G. There are 18 tables; each club involved is going to sell 6 
tables worth.

--The selling of the tickets--

The tickets  are bundled in groups of 8, each group of 8 (in case you 
didn't get it) corresponds to a table.


We will sell tickets as follows:
$70 - for a full table of 8
$10 - per individual ticket

Committee will sell tickets. I will reveal the secret location of the 
tickets to the committee-only@ list. Only committee-only will know.

When selling any number of tickets, be sure that you avoid splitting up a 
bundle of 8 wherever possible; use the bundles that have had tickets taken 
out of them first.


When selling individual tickets, make it VERY CLEAR that the ticket is 
INDIVIDUAL, and that the purchaser of said ticket will end up with whoever 
they happen to end up with at their table. If people want to end up with 
their friends, make sure that they organise with their friends first, and 
then collectively buy tickets, or buy a whole table (NOT THE COFFEE TABLE).

Initially we were only going to sell tickets in half tables or whole 
tables, but so long as people are not stupid (cross fingers), individual 
tickets will work due to the numbering showing which groups go together.

We will sell tickets using dispense. Get people to add money to their 
dispense account if they have cash.

I suggest people sign the back of a ticket and include their TLA when they 
sell them.

--The price incurred--

Alas I did not obtain a receipt for the rubber bands, so cannot be 
reimbursed. I will therefore genorously donate them to the club.

Sam Moore
[SZM]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:03:20 +0800 (WST)
From: Sam Moore <matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
To: Nicholas Browning <nttb49 at hotmail.com>
Cc: Daniel Axtens <danielax at gmail.com>,
     Jake Pottinger <20153183 at student.uwa.edu.au>,
     Talitha Milroy <talithamilroythrowaway at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Quiz Night Questions

Hi,

I printed and cut the tickets. There are 18 tables worth of tickets in groups 
of 8; I have given Jake 6 tables worth. Nic, if you want to collect
tickets for UniSFA you can come into UCC and ask one of the committee members
for them. I don't see anything wrong with splitting the tickets between all 
three clubs.

Regarding the selling of tickets: I labelled the tickets by table number and 
letters A to H (because using two numbers was boring). They are already split 
up into bundles for each table.

Since the tickets are numberered per table anyway, I don't think there is any 
harm in selling individual tickets, as long as people who buy individual 
tickets are told that they do not get to choose what table they end up on 
(people can swap tickets around before the night if they really want). The only 
problem I see with individual tickets is where they are numbered sequentially, 
so groups of people on the same team arriving seperately need to be sorted out. 
The way the tickets are labelled now avoids
this problem, because we just point every person at their table.

Either way, each club can sell the tickets however they want, $10 per 
individual ticket, $70 for a whole table and $40 for half a table - right?

I'm fine with not selling any tickets at the door, unless there are left overs 
(which seems doubtful).

I guess we should have an interround game every 2 rounds or so? Are prizes 
going to be awarded per round, or just overall? I don't think the prizes for 
interround games should be that major, but I guess it should depend upon how
much of a fool we expect people to make of themselves for the prize.

Sam

On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Nicholas Browning wrote:

> Have talked to Lauren. The Tav's AV system were apparently fine. They didn't 
> actually sell any tickets at the door last year, all was pre-sale, and 
> tickets were split evenly between (the two) clubs last year.
> 
> Tal is happy to MC with Daniel. Jake, the Unigames rep, is going to write the 
> questions for the games round.
> 
> Questions:
> Are we fine with splitting the tickets equally between the three clubs this 
> year?
> Do we want to sell door tickets or not bother? If not, do we want to up the 
> number of tables to 18 so we can easily divide the tickets between the three 
> clubs? A bonus of this is we really won't need to advertise with posters 
> around the uni (and probably shouldn't).
> Also, regarding interround games, I know Rowan is running a game, for which 
> he's donating a prize. Did we want to do the traditional 'Sit Down If' and 
> 'Head & Tails'? This is supposing we get prizes for them.
> Anything else?
> 
> Nic
> 
> P.S. Cced Jake and Tal.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Moore
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:23 PM
> To: Nicholas Browning
> Cc: Daniel Axtens
> Subject: Re: Quiz Night Questions
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I realised after I sent my email that I probably should have put where the
> event is on the tickets.
> 
> You're probably right, individual tickets would make things easier. I can
> easily change that.
> 
> I suggest charging $12 at the door for individual tickets. $70 for a table
> of 8 and $40 for a table of 4 sounds reasonable. I don't know how many people
> normally buy the tickets at the door, but I suspect there would be
> several people showing up who would be very annoyed to find out they can not.
> 
> I think numbering the tables is definately worthwhile, I probably should
> have said that this was why I labelled the tickets like that (I was
> thinking if half-table 1A or 1B was sold, just don't sell table 1, etc,
> but now I suspect that that would be a nightmare to organise between all
> three clubs).
> 
> I suspect that 18 tables crowded the tavern too much, or were too
> difficult to manage? If we advertise 16 tables, we can sell 2 more tables
> if there is a last minute rush (ie: at the door). Either way I'll
> make 20 tables worth of tickets just in case. The extras can be given out
> as the wooden spoon prizes or something like that.
> 
> tl;dr
> Yes
> $12
> Yes
> Yes but if there is high demand sell 2 extra tables
> 
> Sam
> 
> 
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Nicholas Browning wrote:
> 
>> The design is fine (may want to mention it's in the UWA Tavern). Though, if 
>> we sell for each table and half-table, we'll have to be really careful about 
>> how many we sell of each so we don't oversell.
>> It may be easier if we just sell the table and half-tables as bundles of 8 
>> and 4 individual tickets respectively. It'll be a lot easier to check each 
>> person for tickets rather than check each table for a ticket. I know it 
>> means printing (and designing) a lot more tickets but it means it's easier 
>> to check and we'll be able to split tickets between clubs easily without 
>> fear of overselling. We can also just put aside the individual tickets for 
>> door sale.
>> 
>> We also have to consider prices. It was $10 each and $70 per table of 8 last 
>> year but having half tables kind of throws that off. I guess since we aren't 
>> pre-selling individual tickets we could make it $70 for whole and $40 for 
>> half.
>> Usually we'd sell individual tickets for more at the door, but I don't know 
>> whether we should continue this given we won't be pre-selling individual 
>> tickets. We didn't up the price last year apparently but did the year 
>> before.
>> 
>> Also, since we're numbering tickets as tables will we be numbering the 
>> tables on the night? It may help organise the half tables.
>> 
>> tl;dr: Questions I've asked:
>> Can we just have a standard ticket numbered for each table to sell in 
>> bundles for half/tables?
>> How much do we want to sell individual tickets at the door?
>> Do we want to number tables to correspond to tickets?
>> Are you happy with only having 16 tables or do we want to go all out with 
>> 18? (Might ask Lauren why she suggests reducing to 16)
>> 
>> Nic
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Moore
>> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:08 PM
>> To: Nicholas Browning
>> Cc: Daniel Axtens
>> Subject: Re: Quiz Night Questions
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have designed some tickets; you can look at them here before I print
>> them if you'd like, to make sure the design is OK and everything:
>> http://matches.ucc.asn.au/quiznight/tickets.pdf
>> 
>> There are three types
>> - table, numbered from 1 to 20 (so we have a few spares)
>> - half-table, numbered 1A, 1B, 2A, 2B, etc (up to 18)
>> I figured that this would make it easier to combine groups that bought the
>> half-table tickets.
>> - individuals, numbered 1A, 1B ... 1G, 1H, 2A, 2B etc. (up to 3)
>> This way we can combine a bunch of individuals into a table (or half
>> table). Let me know if you think we need more than 24 individuals.
>> 
>> All tickets have the date, times and the logos of the three clubs.
>> 
>> I will print these in 3 colours, one for each type.
>> 
>> The tickets are not very hard to forge, so for security I suggest whoever
>> sells a ticket signs the back, and whoever checks them marks them off.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
>> 
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Nicholas Browning wrote:
>> 
>>> The questions would be on the projector as well, I just feel sorry for the
>>> person who has to read it out.
>>> 
>>> The tav allows for 18 tables of 8 but it's suggested (by Lauren) that we
>>> reduce the number down to 16 tables (so max 128 tickets). We used all 18
>>> tables last year but several of them were only half teams.
>>> 
>>> We thought (in committee meetings) that we should sell tickets as tables 
>>> and
>>> half tables only for pre-sale, i.e. no individual tickets sales. Then we 
>>> can
>>> organise the tables better so we fill all the tables rather than have 
>>> wasted
>>> space. We can then sell individual tickets on the night. I don't know how
>>> many tickets we should have available at the door though. I'll ask Lauren.
>>> 
>>> All of my question writers were happy to mark as well (so we have plenty),
>>> we'll also need people to sell/check tickets at the door (which we might 
>>> use
>>> Matt for if he's willing) and someone to do the powerpoint.
>>> 
>>> So, we have Jeremy, Sarah, Daniel, Sam, Nic and a random unigames person 
>>> I'm
>>> yet to hear about *emails Roland*.
>>> We can get Daniel to MC with (hopefully) Tal, then have three markers and
>>> one person on powerpoint. If Tal can't/doesn't want to I'll ask
>>> committee-list if anyone is eager, otherwise I'll step in (though,
>>> admittedly, I'm not particularly charismatic).
>>> 
>>> Can UCC sort out the sound system (supposing we need one, not sure whether 
>>> Tav's will suffice, suspect it may)? Traditionally we
>>> turn off UCC wireless (or make in otherwise inaccessible) so people can't
>>> use it to cheat.
>>> 
>>> Questions:
>>> Our answer sheets will need to provide 12 spaces (one for each mark), in 
>>> which case we may want to pre-number them so they know where to write the 
>>> bonus mark questions. Otherwise we need to ensure that each round has the 
>>> same number of questions.
>>> 
>>> Computer - I got 4/13. (6, 7, 9 & 11)
>>> Give I don't expect people to bring a scientific calculator with them, 
>>> allow for 2) to be answered as 2^32 - 1. Remove one of the acronym 
>>> questions, we don't need two. Then we only have 12 questions/marks, which 
>>> is enough for the round.
>>> 
>>> Social Science - I like that there are Law questions. I got 5/11. (1, 2, 4, 
>>> 6 & 7)
>>> 3) Maybe specify that there are four. Are we marking based on how many they 
>>> get or whether they get them all? I'd rather not give quarter marks for 
>>> questions as, combined with the three-question questions, we'll have marks 
>>> in twelfths. Other possibility is to only ask for two of the countries and 
>>> give half marks.
>>> 4) I'm not sure why that is a hint... and I read xkcd.
>>> 5) Not sure if geology should be included in the Social Science questions, 
>>> more of a Science question.
>>> 7, 8) Not sure if these are social science questions either, more general 
>>> knowledge.
>>> 10) Not sure if this counts as 'politics' enough to be considered social 
>>> science.
>>> Currently cover Law, Politics, Geography, Geology, History and emblems, I 
>>> want to include some actual art-based questions.
>>> 
>>> Misc. - I got 6.5/10. (1, 2, 0.5 x 3, 4, 5, 7)
>>> 3, 4) You have the answers in the wrong order
>>> 4) Why are the names of the colours coloured with the wrong colour 
>>> (predominantly)? Might chuck this in as a Arts question. Going to have to 
>>> name that round so that it should include arts questions as well as 
>>> humanities/social sciences.
>>> 7) May use this for the science round (I don't like the google image 
>>> results, I can make a diagram though)
>>> 8) This question makes me want to be mean and ask which state/territory the 
>>> highest point in all of Australia is located in (Australian Antarctic 
>>> Territory) and watch them all say NSW. Also want to ask 'why is Lake 
>>> Disappointment such a disappointment?' It's a salt lake.
>>> 
>>> I'd say the difficulty has been fine, we're supposed to aim for 6.5/10 and 
>>> one person being able to get most of that means that should happen.
>>> 
>>> Nic
>>> 
>>> P.S. Sorry for the incredibly long response.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Moore
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 1:51 PM
>>> To: Daniel Axtens
>>> Cc: Nicholas Browning
>>> Subject: Re: Quiz Night Questions
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Sorry I uploaded the wrong pdf.
>>> 
>>> Matt Didcoe has offered to mark questions, but not MC.
>>> I can mark questions, but not MC.
>>> 
>>> Regarding the tickets; how many people should we expect?
>>> 
>>> The document summarising last year says that 18 tables of 8 were sold, and
>>> that the tavern can hold a maximum of 120 people. So we sold 144 tickets?
>>> 
>>> I figure 150 would be enough to give us some spare either way.
>>> 
>>> Sam
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Daniel Axtens wrote:
>>> 
>>>> See attached.
>>>> 
>>>> q11 could be put on a PowerPoint slide; IMO it's prefereable to have the
>>>> questions written as well as read out so that the MC isn't asked to repeat
>>>> the questions ad infinitum.
>>>> 
>>>> I could possibly MC.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>

From frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Jun 17 16:42:40 2011
From: frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James French)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:42:40 +0800
Subject: [committee] Quiz Night Tickets
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106171403340.19823@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106171403340.19823@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <BANLkTing0HFvBJOwYCGt3BR0G3hw1nxXyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Out of curiosity, why pre-sell tables? Filling tables on the night
hasn't been an issue at any time in the last four years?

F. (Organised three of the damned things)

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Sam Moore <matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>
> --The tl;dr--
> Tickets are made. When you need to sell them, you should read this FIRST.
>
> --Prologue--
>
> Tickets have been printed and cut, at a total cost of $1 (for rubber bands)
> and about 10 sheets of fluro green paper that were lying in the cupboard.
>
> --The numbering of the tickets--
>
> The tickets are numbered per table, with 8 tickets per table. ie: 1A 1B ...
> 18F 18G. There are 18 tables; each club involved is going to sell 6 tables
> worth.
>
> --The selling of the tickets--
>
> The tickets ?are bundled in groups of 8, each group of 8 (in case you didn't
> get it) corresponds to a table.
>
>
> We will sell tickets as follows:
> $70 - for a full table of 8
> $10 - per individual ticket
>
> Committee will sell tickets. I will reveal the secret location of the
> tickets to the committee-only@ list. Only committee-only will know.
>
> When selling any number of tickets, be sure that you avoid splitting up a
> bundle of 8 wherever possible; use the bundles that have had tickets taken
> out of them first.
>
>
> When selling individual tickets, make it VERY CLEAR that the ticket is
> INDIVIDUAL, and that the purchaser of said ticket will end up with whoever
> they happen to end up with at their table. If people want to end up with
> their friends, make sure that they organise with their friends first, and
> then collectively buy tickets, or buy a whole table (NOT THE COFFEE TABLE).
>
> Initially we were only going to sell tickets in half tables or whole tables,
> but so long as people are not stupid (cross fingers), individual tickets
> will work due to the numbering showing which groups go together.
>
> We will sell tickets using dispense. Get people to add money to their
> dispense account if they have cash.
>
> I suggest people sign the back of a ticket and include their TLA when they
> sell them.
>
> --The price incurred--
>
> Alas I did not obtain a receipt for the rubber bands, so cannot be
> reimbursed. I will therefore genorously donate them to the club.
>
> Sam Moore
> [SZM]
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:03:20 +0800 (WST)
> From: Sam Moore <matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
> To: Nicholas Browning <nttb49 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Daniel Axtens <danielax at gmail.com>,
> ? ?Jake Pottinger <20153183 at student.uwa.edu.au>,
> ? ?Talitha Milroy <talithamilroythrowaway at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Quiz Night Questions
>
> Hi,
>
> I printed and cut the tickets. There are 18 tables worth of tickets in
> groups of 8; I have given Jake 6 tables worth. Nic, if you want to collect
> tickets for UniSFA you can come into UCC and ask one of the committee
> members
> for them. I don't see anything wrong with splitting the tickets between all
> three clubs.
>
> Regarding the selling of tickets: I labelled the tickets by table number and
> letters A to H (because using two numbers was boring). They are already
> split up into bundles for each table.
>
> Since the tickets are numberered per table anyway, I don't think there is
> any harm in selling individual tickets, as long as people who buy individual
> tickets are told that they do not get to choose what table they end up on
> (people can swap tickets around before the night if they really want). The
> only problem I see with individual tickets is where they are numbered
> sequentially, so groups of people on the same team arriving seperately need
> to be sorted out. The way the tickets are labelled now avoids
> this problem, because we just point every person at their table.
>
> Either way, each club can sell the tickets however they want, $10 per
> individual ticket, $70 for a whole table and $40 for half a table - right?
>
> I'm fine with not selling any tickets at the door, unless there are left
> overs (which seems doubtful).
>
> I guess we should have an interround game every 2 rounds or so? Are prizes
> going to be awarded per round, or just overall? I don't think the prizes for
> interround games should be that major, but I guess it should depend upon how
> much of a fool we expect people to make of themselves for the prize.
>
> Sam
>
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Nicholas Browning wrote:
>
>> Have talked to Lauren. The Tav's AV system were apparently fine. They
>> didn't actually sell any tickets at the door last year, all was pre-sale,
>> and tickets were split evenly between (the two) clubs last year.
>>
>> Tal is happy to MC with Daniel. Jake, the Unigames rep, is going to write
>> the questions for the games round.
>>
>> Questions:
>> Are we fine with splitting the tickets equally between the three clubs
>> this year?
>> Do we want to sell door tickets or not bother? If not, do we want to up
>> the number of tables to 18 so we can easily divide the tickets between the
>> three clubs? A bonus of this is we really won't need to advertise with
>> posters around the uni (and probably shouldn't).
>> Also, regarding interround games, I know Rowan is running a game, for
>> which he's donating a prize. Did we want to do the traditional 'Sit Down If'
>> and 'Head & Tails'? This is supposing we get prizes for them.
>> Anything else?
>>
>> Nic
>>
>> P.S. Cced Jake and Tal.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Moore
>> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:23 PM
>> To: Nicholas Browning
>> Cc: Daniel Axtens
>> Subject: Re: Quiz Night Questions
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I realised after I sent my email that I probably should have put where the
>> event is on the tickets.
>>
>> You're probably right, individual tickets would make things easier. I can
>> easily change that.
>>
>> I suggest charging $12 at the door for individual tickets. $70 for a table
>> of 8 and $40 for a table of 4 sounds reasonable. I don't know how many
>> people
>> normally buy the tickets at the door, but I suspect there would be
>> several people showing up who would be very annoyed to find out they can
>> not.
>>
>> I think numbering the tables is definately worthwhile, I probably should
>> have said that this was why I labelled the tickets like that (I was
>> thinking if half-table 1A or 1B was sold, just don't sell table 1, etc,
>> but now I suspect that that would be a nightmare to organise between all
>> three clubs).
>>
>> I suspect that 18 tables crowded the tavern too much, or were too
>> difficult to manage? If we advertise 16 tables, we can sell 2 more tables
>> if there is a last minute rush (ie: at the door). Either way I'll
>> make 20 tables worth of tickets just in case. The extras can be given out
>> as the wooden spoon prizes or something like that.
>>
>> tl;dr
>> Yes
>> $12
>> Yes
>> Yes but if there is high demand sell 2 extra tables
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Nicholas Browning wrote:
>>
>>> The design is fine (may want to mention it's in the UWA Tavern). Though,
>>> if we sell for each table and half-table, we'll have to be really careful
>>> about how many we sell of each so we don't oversell.
>>> It may be easier if we just sell the table and half-tables as bundles of
>>> 8 and 4 individual tickets respectively. It'll be a lot easier to check each
>>> person for tickets rather than check each table for a ticket. I know it
>>> means printing (and designing) a lot more tickets but it means it's easier
>>> to check and we'll be able to split tickets between clubs easily without
>>> fear of overselling. We can also just put aside the individual tickets for
>>> door sale.
>>>
>>> We also have to consider prices. It was $10 each and $70 per table of 8
>>> last year but having half tables kind of throws that off. I guess since we
>>> aren't pre-selling individual tickets we could make it $70 for whole and $40
>>> for half.
>>> Usually we'd sell individual tickets for more at the door, but I don't
>>> know whether we should continue this given we won't be pre-selling
>>> individual tickets. We didn't up the price last year apparently but did the
>>> year before.
>>>
>>> Also, since we're numbering tickets as tables will we be numbering the
>>> tables on the night? It may help organise the half tables.
>>>
>>> tl;dr: Questions I've asked:
>>> Can we just have a standard ticket numbered for each table to sell in
>>> bundles for half/tables?
>>> How much do we want to sell individual tickets at the door?
>>> Do we want to number tables to correspond to tickets?
>>> Are you happy with only having 16 tables or do we want to go all out with
>>> 18? (Might ask Lauren why she suggests reducing to 16)
>>>
>>> Nic
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Moore
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:08 PM
>>> To: Nicholas Browning
>>> Cc: Daniel Axtens
>>> Subject: Re: Quiz Night Questions
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have designed some tickets; you can look at them here before I print
>>> them if you'd like, to make sure the design is OK and everything:
>>> http://matches.ucc.asn.au/quiznight/tickets.pdf
>>>
>>> There are three types
>>> - table, numbered from 1 to 20 (so we have a few spares)
>>> - half-table, numbered 1A, 1B, 2A, 2B, etc (up to 18)
>>> I figured that this would make it easier to combine groups that bought
>>> the
>>> half-table tickets.
>>> - individuals, numbered 1A, 1B ... 1G, 1H, 2A, 2B etc. (up to 3)
>>> This way we can combine a bunch of individuals into a table (or half
>>> table). Let me know if you think we need more than 24 individuals.
>>>
>>> All tickets have the date, times and the logos of the three clubs.
>>>
>>> I will print these in 3 colours, one for each type.
>>>
>>> The tickets are not very hard to forge, so for security I suggest whoever
>>> sells a ticket signs the back, and whoever checks them marks them off.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Nicholas Browning wrote:
>>>
>>>> The questions would be on the projector as well, I just feel sorry for
>>>> the
>>>> person who has to read it out.
>>>>
>>>> The tav allows for 18 tables of 8 but it's suggested (by Lauren) that we
>>>> reduce the number down to 16 tables (so max 128 tickets). We used all 18
>>>> tables last year but several of them were only half teams.
>>>>
>>>> We thought (in committee meetings) that we should sell tickets as tables
>>>> and
>>>> half tables only for pre-sale, i.e. no individual tickets sales. Then we
>>>> can
>>>> organise the tables better so we fill all the tables rather than have
>>>> wasted
>>>> space. We can then sell individual tickets on the night. I don't know
>>>> how
>>>> many tickets we should have available at the door though. I'll ask
>>>> Lauren.
>>>>
>>>> All of my question writers were happy to mark as well (so we have
>>>> plenty),
>>>> we'll also need people to sell/check tickets at the door (which we might
>>>> use
>>>> Matt for if he's willing) and someone to do the powerpoint.
>>>>
>>>> So, we have Jeremy, Sarah, Daniel, Sam, Nic and a random unigames person
>>>> I'm
>>>> yet to hear about *emails Roland*.
>>>> We can get Daniel to MC with (hopefully) Tal, then have three markers
>>>> and
>>>> one person on powerpoint. If Tal can't/doesn't want to I'll ask
>>>> committee-list if anyone is eager, otherwise I'll step in (though,
>>>> admittedly, I'm not particularly charismatic).
>>>>
>>>> Can UCC sort out the sound system (supposing we need one, not sure
>>>> whether Tav's will suffice, suspect it may)? Traditionally we
>>>> turn off UCC wireless (or make in otherwise inaccessible) so people
>>>> can't
>>>> use it to cheat.
>>>>
>>>> Questions:
>>>> Our answer sheets will need to provide 12 spaces (one for each mark), in
>>>> which case we may want to pre-number them so they know where to write the
>>>> bonus mark questions. Otherwise we need to ensure that each round has the
>>>> same number of questions.
>>>>
>>>> Computer - I got 4/13. (6, 7, 9 & 11)
>>>> Give I don't expect people to bring a scientific calculator with them,
>>>> allow for 2) to be answered as 2^32 - 1. Remove one of the acronym
>>>> questions, we don't need two. Then we only have 12 questions/marks, which is
>>>> enough for the round.
>>>>
>>>> Social Science - I like that there are Law questions. I got 5/11. (1, 2,
>>>> 4, 6 & 7)
>>>> 3) Maybe specify that there are four. Are we marking based on how many
>>>> they get or whether they get them all? I'd rather not give quarter marks for
>>>> questions as, combined with the three-question questions, we'll have marks
>>>> in twelfths. Other possibility is to only ask for two of the countries and
>>>> give half marks.
>>>> 4) I'm not sure why that is a hint... and I read xkcd.
>>>> 5) Not sure if geology should be included in the Social Science
>>>> questions, more of a Science question.
>>>> 7, 8) Not sure if these are social science questions either, more
>>>> general knowledge.
>>>> 10) Not sure if this counts as 'politics' enough to be considered social
>>>> science.
>>>> Currently cover Law, Politics, Geography, Geology, History and emblems,
>>>> I want to include some actual art-based questions.
>>>>
>>>> Misc. - I got 6.5/10. (1, 2, 0.5 x 3, 4, 5, 7)
>>>> 3, 4) You have the answers in the wrong order
>>>> 4) Why are the names of the colours coloured with the wrong colour
>>>> (predominantly)? Might chuck this in as a Arts question. Going to have to
>>>> name that round so that it should include arts questions as well as
>>>> humanities/social sciences.
>>>> 7) May use this for the science round (I don't like the google image
>>>> results, I can make a diagram though)
>>>> 8) This question makes me want to be mean and ask which state/territory
>>>> the highest point in all of Australia is located in (Australian Antarctic
>>>> Territory) and watch them all say NSW. Also want to ask 'why is Lake
>>>> Disappointment such a disappointment?' It's a salt lake.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say the difficulty has been fine, we're supposed to aim for 6.5/10
>>>> and one person being able to get most of that means that should happen.
>>>>
>>>> Nic
>>>>
>>>> P.S. Sorry for the incredibly long response.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Moore
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 1:51 PM
>>>> To: Daniel Axtens
>>>> Cc: Nicholas Browning
>>>> Subject: Re: Quiz Night Questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry I uploaded the wrong pdf.
>>>>
>>>> Matt Didcoe has offered to mark questions, but not MC.
>>>> I can mark questions, but not MC.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the tickets; how many people should we expect?
>>>>
>>>> The document summarising last year says that 18 tables of 8 were sold,
>>>> and
>>>> that the tavern can hold a maximum of 120 people. So we sold 144
>>>> tickets?
>>>>
>>>> I figure 150 would be enough to give us some spare either way.
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Daniel Axtens wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> See attached.
>>>>>
>>>>> q11 could be put on a PowerPoint slide; IMO it's prefereable to have
>>>>> the
>>>>> questions written as well as read out so that the MC isn't asked to
>>>>> repeat
>>>>> the questions ad infinitum.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could possibly MC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sat Jun 18 12:04:57 2011
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:04:57 +0800
Subject: [committee] Quiz Night Tickets
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTing0HFvBJOwYCGt3BR0G3hw1nxXyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106171403340.19823@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<BANLkTing0HFvBJOwYCGt3BR0G3hw1nxXyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110618120457.8764281eg7pj67r4@secure.ucc.asn.au>

Quoting James French <frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>:

> Out of curiosity, why pre-sell tables? Filling tables on the night
> hasn't been an issue at any time in the last four years?
>
> F. (Organised three of the damned things)
>
Hi

So far, Nic and I are mostly following the suggestions of Talitha, who  
was involved with the organising last year.

Apparently an issue has been the time taken to sort people out into  
tables. Pre-selling tables at a discount encourages people to organise  
what group they want to be in before the night, rather than on the  
night.

Nic has argued in favour of not allowing individual ticket sales at  
all, instead only pre-selling full tables and half tables. This seems  
kind of restrictive to me though.

I suggest allowing the selling of individual tickets, but making it  
people's own responsibility to sort out whom they are sitting with. If  
someone buys an individual ticket, they will end up on whatever table  
number the ticket is labeled with.

All people have to do to end up with their friends is make sure they  
buy the tickets collectively.

I haven't organised any quiz nights, so I am just trying to do what  
seems sensible.

Sam


From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Jun 23 16:53:44 2011
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:53:44 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Meeting Reminder and Purchases
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106231617330.8228@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi people,

Just a quick reminder that there's a committee meeting this Friday night 
at 5pm in the loft.

A list of stuff I've bought in the last few days that was previously 
approved (so that someone else doesn't go and buy them):
2 15m heavy duty extension cords - $12 each from bunnings
1 supatool 6 drawer toolbox - $98 from bunnings

The list of bits I've bought to help with the MR move and will be asking 
to be reimbursed for at tomorrow's meeting:
2 turnbuckles to tighten the cable support lines
1 wire rope grip to put up another cable support line
2 packs of terminal crimps to do the PDU wiring in the new rack
1 ratchet crimper to suit above item
1 25 pack of releasable cable ties
3 heavy duty 10A plugs to rewire the plugs on the racks

Approved spending: $122
Spending I will be requesting reimbursement for: $83.50
Total: $205.50

By the way, that *should* be the last crimping tool I ever have to 
purchase, we have a complete set of the common crimpers now.

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Jun 23 17:00:01 2011
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 24 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20110623090001.18A4A6006C@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

tpg : Reimburse TPG $130.82 for coke run (receipts in safe)

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Jun 24 11:00:01 2011
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 6 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20110624030001.F05186006C@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

tpg : Reimburse TPG $130.82 for coke run (receipts in safe)

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Jun 24 16:15:01 2011
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:15:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 45 minute warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20110624081501.246896006C@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

tpg : Reimburse TPG $130.82 for coke run (receipts in safe)

From prothoss at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 16:32:59 2011
From: prothoss at gmail.com (Conrad Pogson)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:32:59 +0800
Subject: [committee] Fwd: ComSSA and UCC
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim5hw8p51CYNHTqNc_53aOQQg30FQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim5hw8p51CYNHTqNc_53aOQQg30FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinC1Ffvsx7bRX06q5mKLVe9AxMp7w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

I think this is something we would want to do, and get CASSA/SCISSA/what
ever they are calling themselves involved too. Please let me know some ideas
of what you think might be worth running.

Cheers,
Conrad Pogson
UCC Secretary 2011

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Richard Pilgrim <secretary at comssa.org.au>
Date: Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Subject: ComSSA and UCC
To: secretary at ucc.asn.au


Hey Conrad,

My name is Richard Pilgrim and I am the secretary of the Computer Science
Students Association (ComSSA) at Curtin University.
We would like to organise some inter-university events with UCC such as LAN
parties, games night, hack sessions and programming competitions.
Would UCC be interested in participating in these events with us?

Regards,

Richard Pilgrim
ComSSA Secretary
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From committee-only at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Jun 27 17:00:01 2011
From: committee-only at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 4 day warning: Notice of Ordinary Committee Meeting
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An Ordinary Committee Meeting will be held as usual at 5pm this Friday in the UCC Clubroom, unless otherwise stated.

From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Jun 29 22:11:48 2011
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:11:48 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Computer Clubs Camp 2011
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106292111310.21538@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hey all,

Our enterprising VP and I have been plotting! We've come up with a draft 
plan for a combined Cassa/UCC/ComSSA camp. Why combined? Read on...

Timing:
Start on a Friday night. Stay Saturday and Sunday, and then leave Monday 
morning. This means the camp can happen over a weekend and we don't have 
to line up holidays/long-weekends across 3 universities. We have yet to 
sit down and work out an official date, seeing as we need some more 
confirmation of numbers and interest first.

Location:
Ern Halliday Recreation Camp, Hillarys. Probably the Commodore dormitary 
area on the south side of the camp. We went with this for connectivity 
reasons, as well as the fact that Matt has contacts who _may_ be able to 
help us out with some things. This area also has two halls, so we could 
set up one area for lanning, and use the other for meals.

Meals: 
Unfortunately Ern Halliday doesn't permit you to do your own catering. 
This is because the company that normally does the catering there has 
fitted out the kitchen with all their own gear. Anyway, for now we're 
assuming this doesn't preclude us from ordering pizza or asking people to 
fend for themselves for lunch on Saturday.

 Friday dinner: pizza, $6
 Saturday breakfast: cooked and continental breakfast, $16.90
 Saturday lunch: people wander down to the shops/bakery
 Saturday dinner: hot dinner, no dessert, $13.50
 Sunday breakfast: cooked and continental breakfast, $16.90
 Sunday lunch: pizza, $6
 Sunday dinner: hot dinner, no dessert, $13.50
 Monday morning: people get breakfast themselves on the way home or at 
home

 Total Cost per person for meals: $72.70

Accomodation:
Dorms, $23 per person per night. Minimum charge of $1300 per night. For 
this reason we need as many people as we can to make this economical, with 
a minimum of 50.

Power:
We need to check power availability around the camp, and we may need to 
supply our own generator.

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Jun 29 22:19:49 2011
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:19:49 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Computer Clubs Camp 2011
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106292111310.21538@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106292111310.21538@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1106292212530.21538@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

In case it wasn't already clear, the total cost per person is $118.80 
assuming we don't have to pay for power and nothing else rears its ugly 
head.

Clearly this is too high a number for there to be much attendance, so I 
suggest each club chips in on a per-member-attending basis. For UCC, I 
think we could afford to get the price down to $70 for freshers, and 
discriminate against everyone else by charging them $80. 

Please, let me know what you think, including liklihood of it working for 
your club, how many people are likely to attend (if any), and any other 
opinions/ideas.

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

PS: I was off by 10c on the cost of food, it's $72.80 per person

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Bob Adamson wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Our enterprising VP and I have been plotting! We've come up with a draft 
> plan for a combined Cassa/UCC/ComSSA camp. Why combined? Read on...
> 
> Timing:
> Start on a Friday night. Stay Saturday and Sunday, and then leave Monday 
> morning. This means the camp can happen over a weekend and we don't have 
> to line up holidays/long-weekends across 3 universities. We have yet to 
> sit down and work out an official date, seeing as we need some more 
> confirmation of numbers and interest first.
> 
> Location:
> Ern Halliday Recreation Camp, Hillarys. Probably the Commodore dormitary 
> area on the south side of the camp. We went with this for connectivity 
> reasons, as well as the fact that Matt has contacts who _may_ be able to 
> help us out with some things. This area also has two halls, so we could 
> set up one area for lanning, and use the other for meals.
> 
> Meals: 
> Unfortunately Ern Halliday doesn't permit you to do your own catering. 
> This is because the company that normally does the catering there has 
> fitted out the kitchen with all their own gear. Anyway, for now we're 
> assuming this doesn't preclude us from ordering pizza or asking people to 
> fend for themselves for lunch on Saturday.
> 
>  Friday dinner: pizza, $6
>  Saturday breakfast: cooked and continental breakfast, $16.90
>  Saturday lunch: people wander down to the shops/bakery
>  Saturday dinner: hot dinner, no dessert, $13.50
>  Sunday breakfast: cooked and continental breakfast, $16.90
>  Sunday lunch: pizza, $6
>  Sunday dinner: hot dinner, no dessert, $13.50
>  Monday morning: people get breakfast themselves on the way home or at 
> home
> 
>  Total Cost per person for meals: $72.70
> 
> Accomodation:
> Dorms, $23 per person per night. Minimum charge of $1300 per night. For 
> this reason we need as many people as we can to make this economical, with 
> a minimum of 50.
> 
> Power:
> We need to check power availability around the camp, and we may need to 
> supply our own generator.
> 
> Andrew Adamson
> UCC President
> bob at ucc.asn.au
> 
> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
> 

From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Jun 29 22:35:21 2011
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:35:21 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Computer Clubs Camp 2011
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Bob Adamson wrote:

> In case it wasn't already clear, the total cost per person is $118.80 
> assuming we don't have to pay for power and nothing else rears its ugly 
> head.
> 
> Clearly this is too high a number for there to be much attendance, so I 
> suggest each club chips in on a per-member-attending basis. For UCC, I 
> think we could afford to get the price down to $70 for freshers, and 
> discriminate against everyone else by charging them $80. 
> 
> Please, let me know what you think, including liklihood of it working for 
> your club, how many people are likely to attend (if any), and any other 
> opinions/ideas.

I wouldn't do Sunday night/Monday morning, which cuts the price a lot, 
plus I would look at Camp Leschenaultia which allows self-catering.
Good connectivity is for wimps, previous UCC Camps ran fine with a modem 
link, 3G is luxury.

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From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Jun 29 22:50:30 2011
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:50:30 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Computer Clubs Camp 2011
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, James Andrewartha wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Bob Adamson wrote:
> 
> > In case it wasn't already clear, the total cost per person is $118.80 
> > assuming we don't have to pay for power and nothing else rears its ugly 
> > head.
> > 
> > Clearly this is too high a number for there to be much attendance, so I 
> > suggest each club chips in on a per-member-attending basis. For UCC, I 
> > think we could afford to get the price down to $70 for freshers, and 
> > discriminate against everyone else by charging them $80. 
> > 
> > Please, let me know what you think, including liklihood of it working for 
> > your club, how many people are likely to attend (if any), and any other 
> > opinions/ideas.
> 
> I wouldn't do Sunday night/Monday morning, which cuts the price a lot, 
> plus I would look at Camp Leschenaultia which allows self-catering.
> Good connectivity is for wimps, previous UCC Camps ran fine with a modem 
> link, 3G is luxury.
> 
> -- 
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> # UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
> [ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
> [  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /
> 

If we leave on the Sunday we would have to be out by 2pm according to 
http://www.dsr.wa.gov.au/campbookings . In my opinion, that cuts the camp 
pretty short.

The other benefits of having catering done by the camp are that the 
organisers don't have to spend so much time on the camp cooking/cleaning, 
and it makes pre-camp preparation easier since we don't have to go buying 
food for 20+ people.

3G is indeed a luxury, but if we can do it, why not? From what I can tell 
we wouldn't even be able to get a dialup connection going at 
Leschenaultia, and they advertise a lack of connectivity as a "feature".

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |


From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Jun 30 10:18:24 2011
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:18:24 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Computer Clubs Camp 2011
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Oh hey, looks like Matt and I can't count! Friday night, Saturday night, 
Sunday night is THREE nights not two. WHUPS. That takes the cost up to 
141.80 per person. Eugh. We're seeing what we can do to get that price 
down.

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Bob Adamson wrote:

> In case it wasn't already clear, the total cost per person is $118.80 
> assuming we don't have to pay for power and nothing else rears its ugly 
> head.
> 
> Clearly this is too high a number for there to be much attendance, so I 
> suggest each club chips in on a per-member-attending basis. For UCC, I 
> think we could afford to get the price down to $70 for freshers, and 
> discriminate against everyone else by charging them $80. 
> 
> Please, let me know what you think, including liklihood of it working for 
> your club, how many people are likely to attend (if any), and any other 
> opinions/ideas.
> 
> Andrew Adamson
> UCC President
> bob at ucc.asn.au
> 
> PS: I was off by 10c on the cost of food, it's $72.80 per person
> 
> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
> 
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Bob Adamson wrote:
> 
> > Hey all,
> > 
> > Our enterprising VP and I have been plotting! We've come up with a draft 
> > plan for a combined Cassa/UCC/ComSSA camp. Why combined? Read on...
> > 
> > Timing:
> > Start on a Friday night. Stay Saturday and Sunday, and then leave Monday 
> > morning. This means the camp can happen over a weekend and we don't have 
> > to line up holidays/long-weekends across 3 universities. We have yet to 
> > sit down and work out an official date, seeing as we need some more 
> > confirmation of numbers and interest first.
> > 
> > Location:
> > Ern Halliday Recreation Camp, Hillarys. Probably the Commodore dormitary 
> > area on the south side of the camp. We went with this for connectivity 
> > reasons, as well as the fact that Matt has contacts who _may_ be able to 
> > help us out with some things. This area also has two halls, so we could 
> > set up one area for lanning, and use the other for meals.
> > 
> > Meals: 
> > Unfortunately Ern Halliday doesn't permit you to do your own catering. 
> > This is because the company that normally does the catering there has 
> > fitted out the kitchen with all their own gear. Anyway, for now we're 
> > assuming this doesn't preclude us from ordering pizza or asking people to 
> > fend for themselves for lunch on Saturday.
> > 
> >  Friday dinner: pizza, $6
> >  Saturday breakfast: cooked and continental breakfast, $16.90
> >  Saturday lunch: people wander down to the shops/bakery
> >  Saturday dinner: hot dinner, no dessert, $13.50
> >  Sunday breakfast: cooked and continental breakfast, $16.90
> >  Sunday lunch: pizza, $6
> >  Sunday dinner: hot dinner, no dessert, $13.50
> >  Monday morning: people get breakfast themselves on the way home or at 
> > home
> > 
> >  Total Cost per person for meals: $72.70
> > 
> > Accomodation:
> > Dorms, $23 per person per night. Minimum charge of $1300 per night. For 
> > this reason we need as many people as we can to make this economical, with 
> > a minimum of 50.
> > 
> > Power:
> > We need to check power availability around the camp, and we may need to 
> > supply our own generator.
> > 
> > Andrew Adamson
> > UCC President
> > bob at ucc.asn.au
> > 
> > |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> > | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
> > 
> 

From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Jun 30 10:39:17 2011
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:39:17 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Computer Clubs Camp 2011
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Bob Adamson wrote:

> > I wouldn't do Sunday night/Monday morning, which cuts the price a lot, 
> > plus I would look at Camp Leschenaultia which allows self-catering.
> > Good connectivity is for wimps, previous UCC Camps ran fine with a modem 
> > link, 3G is luxury.
> 
> If we leave on the Sunday we would have to be out by 2pm according to 
> http://www.dsr.wa.gov.au/campbookings . In my opinion, that cuts the camp 
> pretty short.

That length of time has been fine for previous UCC camps - in fact, we 
might have had to leave DRAC by 10am. Also going into Monday makes it 
harder for old guard to attend.

> The other benefits of having catering done by the camp are that the 
> organisers don't have to spend so much time on the camp cooking/cleaning, 
> and it makes pre-camp preparation easier since we don't have to go buying 
> food for 20+ people.

$17pp for breakfast is way too much to spend though.

> 3G is indeed a luxury, but if we can do it, why not? From what I can tell 
> we wouldn't even be able to get a dialup connection going at 
> Leschenaultia, and they advertise a lack of connectivity as a "feature".

What I meant is you can get 3G (just) at Leschenaultia, and it's faster 
than dialup which has previously been sufficient.

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From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Jun 30 11:05:29 2011
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:05:29 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Computer Clubs Camp 2011
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, James Andrewartha wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Bob Adamson wrote:
> 
> > > I wouldn't do Sunday night/Monday morning, which cuts the price a lot, 
> > > plus I would look at Camp Leschenaultia which allows self-catering.
> > > Good connectivity is for wimps, previous UCC Camps ran fine with a modem 
> > > link, 3G is luxury.
> > 
> > If we leave on the Sunday we would have to be out by 2pm according to 
> > http://www.dsr.wa.gov.au/campbookings . In my opinion, that cuts the camp 
> > pretty short.
> 
> That length of time has been fine for previous UCC camps - in fact, we 
> might have had to leave DRAC by 10am. Also going into Monday makes it 
> harder for old guard to attend.

Old guard are welcome to leave on Sunday night. I'm not making the camp 
shorter unless we have no other choice.
 
> > The other benefits of having catering done by the camp are that the 
> > organisers don't have to spend so much time on the camp cooking/cleaning, 
> > and it makes pre-camp preparation easier since we don't have to go buying 
> > food for 20+ people.
> 
> $17pp for breakfast is way too much to spend though.

Indeed. We could knock it down to continental breakfast for $10.90, or add 
pancakes and make it $11.90. Full catering prices are at 
http://www.dsr.wa.gov.au//assets/files/Camps/Catering/Accolade%20Community%20Menu%202010%20and%202011.pdf
Assuming we don't do pancakes that makes cost per person $129.80

> > 3G is indeed a luxury, but if we can do it, why not? From what I can tell 
> > we wouldn't even be able to get a dialup connection going at 
> > Leschenaultia, and they advertise a lack of connectivity as a "feature".
> 
> What I meant is you can get 3G (just) at Leschenaultia, and it's faster 
> than dialup which has previously been sufficient.

Their catering options are fixed at $45 per day, which blows the cost out 
to even higher than it currently is. Would you be willing to organise and 
cook all the food for the camp?

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |



From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Jun 30 11:08:24 2011
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:08:24 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Computer Clubs Camp 2011
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Bob Adamson wrote:

> Old guard are welcome to leave on Sunday night. I'm not making the camp 
> shorter unless we have no other choice.

Will they pay less?

> Their catering options are fixed at $45 per day, which blows the cost out 
> to even higher than it currently is. Would you be willing to organise and 
> cook all the food for the camp?

It's not particularly hard, particularly for a two day camp. Buy some 
cereal and bacon for the morning, do a BBQ on Saturday night, pizza Friday 
night and let people bring their own stuff for lunch.

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