From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 1 14:59:46 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:39 2004 Subject: [tech] Beige Message-ID: <20000801145946.A69078@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Beige needs a reinstall. It appears the filesystem is corrupt, it claims to be using 110% disk space. And I'm seeing strange errors on the console. Almost definitely a filesystem or disk problem. Do we have install media? Grahame -- Grahame Bowland - http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au/ From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 1 15:07:56 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:40 2004 Subject: [tech] Beige In-Reply-To: <20000801145946.A69078@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Grahame Bowland at "Aug 1, 2000 02:59:46 pm" Message-ID: <200008010707.PAA16288@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > Beige needs a reinstall. It appears the filesystem is corrupt, it claims > to be using 110% disk space. And I'm seeing strange errors on the console. > Almost definitely a filesystem or disk problem. > > Do we have install media? Yes we do. Anyone taken it down and done an fsck upon its filesystems? Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \ | If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks. | | Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin. | \ That'll learn him. / From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 1 15:11:55 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:40 2004 Subject: [tech] Beige In-Reply-To: <20000801145946.A69078@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:59:46PM +0800 References: <20000801145946.A69078@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000801151155.K21365@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:59:46PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Beige needs a reinstall. It appears the filesystem is corrupt, it claims > to be using 110% disk space. And I'm seeing strange errors on the console. Perhaps it is - check to see the logs haven't overflown, for example. > Almost definitely a filesystem or disk problem. > > Do we have install media? Back it up to the network first - it's gone a long time without a reinstall and I'd hate to lose anything vital. Yes, NEXTSTEP 3.3 media are in the labelled, large, yellow envelope in the machine room, with Y2K patches, which were never applied to Beige (but it seemed OK anyway...). Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From davidb at rcpt.to Tue Aug 1 15:42:49 2000 From: davidb at rcpt.to (David Basden) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:40 2004 Subject: [tech] Beige In-Reply-To: <20000801145946.A69078@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:59:46PM +0800 References: <20000801145946.A69078@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000801174249.C21679@discordia.rcpt.to> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 02:59:46PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Beige needs a reinstall. It appears the filesystem is corrupt, it claims > to be using 110% disk space. And I'm seeing strange errors on the console. > Almost definitely a filesystem or disk problem. Keep in mind that unixes can have reserved space for the superuser, which may make it show 110% in wacky circumstances. .. D From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 15 00:09:04 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:41 2004 Subject: [tech] mirror.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Message-ID: <20000815000904.A74109@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi guys, I got bored and set this up. Mermaid now answers to mirror.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au and mirror.waix.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au which are different IPs to its main address. Apache is running an IP-based virtual host to show the site. This shouldn't be able to cost us money if people use it. At the moment the main features are a complete mirror of the latest Cygwin, FreeBSD and NetBSD ISOs (Tartarus accounted :), Mozilla M17 for various platforms (also Tartarus accounted ) and Plan 9. I've also put various RFCs up in uncompressed format and some of the W3 specs. Have I done anything stupid or clueless while setting this up? :) Just thought I should check before telling people about it. BTW: did real virtual hosting so we can provide FTP and rsync off it. Tiredly and fearing `netusage`, Grahame -- Grahame Bowland - http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au/ From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 15 14:07:56 2000 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:41 2004 Subject: [tech] the Krone tool Message-ID: <20000815140756.A87430@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> I have borrowed the krone punch down tool for a couple of days. /Jp... -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere || Avatar of Computational japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy Words are fingers that point at the moon. Once you see the moon, you no longer need the fingers. -- someone, somewhere From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 15 21:15:29 2000 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:41 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: HP 700rx xterm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve has brought in the boot rom for the hp xterm. It's currently in /home/wheel/trs80/downloads/700rx, and the cdrom is in the machine room, on top of the macos x box. The documentation is above the sparcs. I had a shot at setting it up tonight, but had no luck. It only has AUI and BNC network connection, which was a problem, and I think the hub we got from ACS may be FITH. It was only a half-hearted attempt, and I didn't look at the docs. The main problem was that it couldn't see the gateway, though the fact I set it to manta's ip may have had something to do with it. Anyway, I'll have a better look at it tomorrow if I'm in, it's currently between mussel (which I rebooted into linux) and scully, maybe it should be near the suns, as that hub has AUI and BNC. -- TRS-80 Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ UCC Fresher Rep Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au "There's nobody getting rich writing software that I know of." - Bill Gates, 1980 From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 22 00:01:52 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:41 2004 Subject: [tech] testing.. Message-ID: <20000822000152.B232203@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Sendmail had vanished into the void on mooneye. Just testing. Grahame -- Grahame Bowland - http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au/ From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 21 22:49:32 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:41 2004 Subject: [tech] Mussel Message-ID: <20000821224932.A231696@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hiho, Mussel is now using GRUB as opposed to lilo. GRUB is much cooler and more suited to that machine. Lilo is no longer installed on the linux partition. You don't need to do anything if you compile a new kernel except make sure that it installs at /boot/vmlinuz (eg, 'make install') :-) GRUB understands ext2fs. Also neat, GRUB allows you to get a neat little command line and boot other OSes/explore filesystems should you ever need to. Pretty damn cool. Cheers, Grahame -- Grahame Bowland - http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au/ From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Aug 27 00:15:16 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:41 2004 Subject: [tech] NFS mounts Message-ID: <20000827001516.A377635@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hiho, Morwong allows anybody to mount /mirror read-only. So I tried this from home - the mount worked and it seemed to work. However, if I go to a directory with quite a few files and do an 'ls' the command hangs, probably on a syscall. It doesn't return, even after twenty or thirty minutes. Unmounting it is quite difficult too - at one point Linux wouldn't let me unmount it at all, with 'device is busy' errors. Of course it doesn't support forced unmount's because they're useful - if only I was running FreeBSD ;) Any ideas why NFS doesn't work over a slow (modem) link? Cheers, Grahame -- Grahame Bowland - http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au/ From yakk at yakk.net.au Sun Aug 27 09:17:32 2000 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:42 2004 Subject: [tech] NFS mounts In-Reply-To: <20000827001516.A377635@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 12:15:16AM +0800 References: <20000827001516.A377635@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000827091732.C22614@yakk.net.au> On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 12:15:16AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > Any ideas why NFS doesn't work over a slow (modem) link? > 1) Its crap 2) Its probably partly blocked at a firewall (were you dialed up to UWA or the borg?). Ian [slightly drunk] From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Aug 27 08:47:59 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:42 2004 Subject: [tech] NFS mounts In-Reply-To: <20000827091732.C22614@yakk.net.au>; from yakk@yakk.net.au on Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 09:17:32AM +0800 References: <20000827001516.A377635@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000827091732.C22614@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <20000827084759.A382467@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 09:17:32AM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 12:15:16AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > > > Any ideas why NFS doesn't work over a slow (modem) link? > > > 1) Its crap I've heard that but never understood why. I know Linux seems to die horribly if anything goes wrong with an NFS mount. > 2) Its probably partly blocked at a firewall (were you dialed up to UWA or > the borg?). The borg :) Grahame -- Grahame Bowland - http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au/ From yakk at yakk.net.au Sun Aug 27 18:01:06 2000 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:42 2004 Subject: [tech] NFS mounts In-Reply-To: <20000827084759.A382467@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 08:47:59AM +0800 References: <20000827001516.A377635@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000827091732.C22614@yakk.net.au> <20000827084759.A382467@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000827180106.D22614@yakk.net.au> On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 08:47:59AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 09:17:32AM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 12:15:16AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > > > > > Any ideas why NFS doesn't work over a slow (modem) link? > > > > > 1) Its crap > > I've heard that but never understood why. I know Linux seems to die horribly > if anything goes wrong with an NFS mount. This is the correct UNIX behaviour. FreeBSD breaks it in stupid ways. > > > 2) Its probably partly blocked at a firewall (were you dialed up to UWA or > > the borg?). > > The borg :) I believe UWA blocks RPC and hence NFS at the border. Ian From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 28 14:32:49 2000 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:42 2004 Subject: [tech] NFS mounts In-Reply-To: <20000827084759.A382467@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 08:47:59AM +0800 References: <20000827001516.A377635@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000827091732.C22614@yakk.net.au> <20000827084759.A382467@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000828143249.A24603@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle > A while ago Grahame Bowland tapped: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 09:17:32AM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 12:15:16AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > > > > > Any ideas why NFS doesn't work [...]? > > > > > 1) Its crap > > I've heard that but never understood why. I know Linux seems to die horribly > if anything goes wrong with an NFS mount. Ok, you have got the first one. Things die when it goes away. I have never been particularly fond of the whole UID/GID sharing kind of arrangement. This means that unless you are prepared to do a lot of work, you will need to be running NIS. NIS introduces a whole series of new and exciting crap to deal with. Both NFS and NIS are an evil hack to keep up with the rest of the workstation industry that already had better systems. Ever sen your startup script on the E&EE dept unix boxen? It makes M$ networking seem almost well implimented. The implimentations varyso it is not as compatable as well, it could be. Byte ordering.... Big endian and little endian on rpc. I am sure that there are more reasons as well but I will need more caffine before thinking about them. See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 28 22:17:43 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:42 2004 Subject: [tech] Beige is back! Message-ID: <20000828221743.A3256@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Turns out Beige had two problems - one, the old NIS setup, now fixed ( /etc/hostconfig ), and running out of disk space (got rid of a hundred or so megs from /private/adm ) . To break to the ROM monitor during bootup, so you can single-user boot it, press COMMAND-COMMAND-~ . Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 29 21:38:48 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:42 2004 Subject: [tech] Prog Comp Message-ID: <20000829213848.A62669@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hiho, A bunch of us should be getting together on Friday night to get things ready for the programming competition. Here's a suggested plan: o make a Decserver 300 work and set up many dumb terminals - we can run a big Cat5 cable from the clubroom and run them off manta or morwong. o set up a hub o get the SPARC systems ready to be moved up, ditto mussel o set up the coke machine with a hundred bucks of drinks Apart from that I and Ben have to get the questions organised. We should get that done one evening this week, either tommorow or Thursday night. Advertising is around, I'll do E&EE tommorow, probably with Ian. Suggestions, comments, abuse? :) Cheers, Grahame -- Grahame Bowland - http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au/ From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 29 22:58:19 2000 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:43 2004 Subject: [tech] Prog Comp In-Reply-To: <20000829213848.A62669@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 09:38:48PM +0800 References: <20000829213848.A62669@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000829225819.A64494@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Aug 29, Grahame Bowland scratched in indelible ink : > o make a Decserver 300 work and set up many dumb terminals - we can run > a big Cat5 cable from the clubroom and run them off manta or morwong. > sure we can't AUI it ? ;) > o set up a hub > o get the SPARC systems ready to be moved up, ditto mussel > oh. or get a hub set up upstairs? and connect everything into that. good idea. hmmm reread that statement. 'ready to be moved up' where? the loft? do we have it booked? > o set up the coke machine with a hundred bucks of drinks > > Apart from that I and Ben have to get the questions organised. We should get > that done one evening this week, either tommorow or Thursday night. > good-o. If I ca nn grab some flyers from somewhere, I can do mech engins tomorrow too. /Jp/... -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere || Avatar of Computational japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy Words are fingers that point at the moon. Once you see the moon, you no longer need the fingers. -- someone, somewhere From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 29 23:02:03 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:43 2004 Subject: [tech] Prog Comp In-Reply-To: <20000829225819.A64494@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:58:19PM +0800 References: <20000829213848.A62669@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000829225819.A64494@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000829230203.A64612@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:58:19PM +0800, Jean-Paul Blaquiere wrote: > > On Aug 29, Grahame Bowland scratched in indelible ink : > > > o make a Decserver 300 work and set up many dumb terminals - we can run > > a big Cat5 cable from the clubroom and run them off manta or morwong. > > > sure we can't AUI it ? ;) We had it booting an image from manta the other day, using BNC :) > > o set up a hub > > o get the SPARC systems ready to be moved up, ditto mussel > > > oh. or get a hub set up upstairs? and connect everything into that. good > idea. hmmm reread that statement. 'ready to be moved up' where? the loft? > do we have it booked? Yes. It's been booked for about 2 months now. I also have a late night pass :) > > o set up the coke machine with a hundred bucks of drinks > > > > Apart from that I and Ben have to get the questions organised. We should get > > that done one evening this week, either tommorow or Thursday night. > > > good-o. If I ca nn grab some flyers from somewhere, I can do mech engins > tomorrow too. Great! They're the fluoro-looking ones, on top of some clutter near the filing cabinet. If we run out I'll just make some more up. Cheers, Grahame -- Grahame Bowland - http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au/ From dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 29 23:05:46 2000 From: dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Leighton Haynes) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:43 2004 Subject: [tech] Prog Comp In-Reply-To: <20000829230203.A64612@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 11:02:03PM +0800 References: <20000829213848.A62669@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000829225819.A64494@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000829230203.A64612@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000829230546.F1110@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 11:02:03PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:58:19PM +0800, Jean-Paul Blaquiere wrote: > > > On Aug 29, Grahame Bowland scratched in indelible ink : > > > > > o make a Decserver 300 work and set up many dumb terminals - we can run > > > a big Cat5 cable from the clubroom and run them off manta or morwong. > > > > > sure we can't AUI it ? ;) > > We had it booting an image from manta the other day, using BNC :) COnnect it to the network, put it behind the firewall, and give an extra prize for the group that manages to break through the firewall ;) (Hey, people will try and cheat :P) Leighton... -- Part-time student. Full-time Programmer. Seeking the 36 hour day and the 10 hour working week. (08) 9272 9058 (Home - like I'm ever there) 0401 335 136 (Mobile - like it's ever on) From zarie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 30 15:34:09 2000 From: zarie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Tracey Brown) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:43 2004 Subject: [tech] Prog Comp In-Reply-To: <20000829230203.A64612@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: [JP] > > good-o. If I ca nn grab some flyers from somewhere, I can do mech engins > > tomorrow too. [Grahame] > Great! They're the fluoro-looking ones, on top of some clutter near the filing > cabinet. If we run out I'll just make some more up. I just sent the blurb to the CS students.. Love and Light, zarie.xx