From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 3 13:46:43 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:43 2004 Subject: [tech] Mooneye building In-Reply-To: <19991221083503.A26135@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Nick Bannon on Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 08:35:04AM +0800 References: <19991220215634.A26207@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991221083503.A26135@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000103134642.A14563@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Things [NTU], [GMB], [YAK] and [MTL] aim to do today. On Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 08:35:04AM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 11:28:47PM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: > [...] > > moray does all sorts of stuff, > > o Dispense (including door and coke serial ports) > o Flame > o bind > o FMS client > o SSH (and put appropriate keys in place) > o POP > o SOCKS (4 and 5?) > o TACACS auth server > o Charged telnet tunnel > o telnat (telnetd running on port 222) (or SSHd) > o Hacked login so non-wheel group members can't log in (or SSHd) > o doorlogger (in /usr/local/sbin, started from /etc/rc.boot) > o vimotd > o crontabs > o Make sure syslog sends coke logs to loghost (mola) > o Apache? > o Postfix/sendmail/qmail/... (including mail charging) > o Berolist/Minimalist/mailman/majordomo/listserv/... o ProFTPd (configured to disable puts) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 3 17:03:27 2000 From: mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:44 2004 Subject: [tech] upgrade in progress and testing mail Message-ID: Hi all If this works, mail and the mailing lists are probably working somewhat. Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au Captain Bipto: We did win, didn't we? Blaznee: No, but if we think fast enough we might just live to lie about it. From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 3 23:08:04 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:45 2004 Subject: [tech] Mooneye building In-Reply-To: <20000103134642.A14563@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Nick Bannon on Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 01:46:43PM +0800 References: <19991220215634.A26207@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991221083503.A26135@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000103134642.A14563@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000103230802.K9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 01:46:43PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > Things [NTU], [GMB], [YAK] and [MTL] aim to do today. Done! (well, mostly) moray is urrently running as morayold.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au to avoid confusion. mooneye has IP address 130.95.13.9 and is running moray's old services. FMS has been down for some time due to lost files, so that has to wait. SOCKS is not currently operational - Ian was trying to redo it, but hasn't been successful yet. Leighton? The door is dodgy. _Every_time_you_open_the_door,_check_that_it's_locked_again_immediately!_ Try it again if it doesn't work first time. Do not leave it unlocked, apart from the obvious security problem, the solenoid may overheat! If the modem in the machine room needs turning off and on, get someone to do it! Try running "dispense door" again, that may be enough, but _make_sure_you_check_ and tell us the result. If it's just not working, get it turned off and leave it off. sendmail and mailman are still running for now. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 4 11:43:31 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:45 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: High Speed Internet In-Reply-To: from Greg Pennefather at "Dec 31, 99 02:17:57 pm" Message-ID: <200001040343.LAA02753@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > Dave > > The demographics have to be worked out yet but it will be in areas where > people are interested in the Internet and have the disposable income to > afford it - let's face it, $100 a month is not what most people spend on > Internet. True.. but I know plenty of people who share accomodation with students, IT professionals and people with too much disposable income :) > So, to specifics, off the top of my head I would say we will target areas > such as West Perth, Subiaco, Wembley, Floreat, Cottesloe, East Perth, > Nedlands, Freo, Karrinyup, Kensington, South Perth. A lot will depend on > what our market research tells us and how much capital we have to install > equipment at all of the target areas. Great. That covers me. > Where do the people you know who would go for it live? City Beach, Floreat, Wembley Downs, Nedlands, Shenton Park and Claremont off the top of my head. Could you avail me of some of the technical details of the hookup ? Cheers /dave > > on 31/12/99 1:50 PM, David Manchester at mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > > > In article you wrote: > > : Hi > > > > : I'm interested to know how many people using this ng would be interested in > > : high speed Internet access - and how many people you know would be > > : interested. > > > > Greg - I would know several dozen who would be interested... what areas > > in Perth are likely to be able to be connected..? > > > > Cheers > > /dave > -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 4 11:50:25 2000 From: mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:45 2004 Subject: [tech] Mooneye building In-Reply-To: <20000103230802.K9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Nick Bannon wrote: > sendmail and mailman are still running for now. mailman has been installed from the debian package (with Ben hack added + submitted to Mailman developers mailing list) It is now loading itself off local disk rather than over NFS! and seems much much faster, archives of lists are still being kept in /home/other/mailman Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au Captain Bipto: We did win, didn't we? Blaznee: No, but if we think fast enough we might just live to lie about it. From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 4 12:21:02 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:45 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] Mooneye/moray In-Reply-To: <200001040337.LAA02742@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from David Manchester on Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 11:37:54AM +0800 References: <200001040337.LAA02742@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000104122101.M9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> [TDH] asked on wheel what was happening to moray's old hardware and name. Moray's hard disc deserves to be thrown away. It's otherwise an adequate VLB 486DX4-100. 16MB RAM, 16MB cached IDE controller. I think it's got VLB graphics. There's a dump of its filesystem on mussel:/mnt/mako (where there happened to be some free space). mooneye can and should keep its name. Anything that refers to moray when it means "mailhost" or "socks" or "coke" is broken. moray was renamed to morayold, temporarily, so we can find broken things quickly. Hasn't been much - mussel and starfish were trying to use moray rather than mailhost as a sendmail smarthost. mooneye took moray's IP address so there's no need for resolv.conf fiddling or DNS redelegations. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 4 13:09:42 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:46 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] Mooneye/moray In-Reply-To: <20000104122101.M9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Nick Bannon at "Jan 4, 0 12:21:02 pm" Message-ID: <200001040509.NAA03007@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > [TDH] asked on wheel what was happening to moray's old hardware and > name. > > Moray's hard disc deserves to be thrown away. It's otherwise an adequate > VLB 486DX4-100. 16MB RAM, 16MB cached IDE controller. I think it's got > VLB graphics. OK - I concur on the Disk issue. Someone hit it witha VAXlart. > There's a dump of its filesystem on mussel:/mnt/mako (where there > happened to be some free space). OK - do we want to put this on tape..? > mooneye can and should keep its name. Anything that refers to moray when > it means "mailhost" or "socks" or "coke" is broken. moray was renamed > to morayold, temporarily, so we can find broken things quickly. Hasn't > been much - mussel and starfish were trying to use moray rather than > mailhost as a sendmail smarthost. Right - I predicted a response from nick. My concern is that there aren't that many sensible m-fish names & people know machines by their services. Its a mindshift to start using another machine, for starters, +/- rhosts files, ssh keys and whatnot. I agree that CNAMEing mail/socks/coke is sane, in case of emergency and I think that mooneye's hardware is a good idea(TM). > mooneye took moray's IP address so there's no need for resolv.conf > fiddling or DNS redelegations. Rightho. So, for all intents, moray has ceased to be. I'm just curious... is that the right thing to do..? Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 4 13:41:51 2000 From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:46 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] Mooneye/moray Message-ID: <200001040541.NAA31058@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:09:42 +0800 (WST), David Manchester wrote: >Right - I predicted a response from nick. >My concern is that there aren't that many sensible m-fish names & >people know machines by their services. >Its a mindshift to start using another machine, for starters, +/- rhosts files, >ssh keys and whatnot. >I agree that CNAMEing mail/socks/coke is sane, in case of emergency >and I think that mooneye's hardware is a good idea(TM). > >> mooneye took moray's IP address so there's no need for resolv.conf >> fiddling or DNS redelegations. > >Rightho. So, for all intents, moray has ceased to be. > >I'm just curious... is that the right thing to do..? Yep, I think that's probably a good thing. Machine names should refer to the machine, not the function. Moray has already been too many PC's, but mostly because changes happened in bits and pieces, not all at once. Now seems a good time to retire the name, and the machine. When UCCans reminisce happily about the good old days when mullet reigned supreme, everyone knows they are talking about the Vax 11/750, not one of a string of assorted machines over a decade. Andrew From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Jan 5 00:25:00 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:46 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: J90 for sale In-Reply-To: <38720d04.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net> Message-ID: <200001041625.AAA04899@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> In article <38720d04.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net> you wrote: : Hi, : Offers invited for a Cray J90. Specification is as follows: : 50Gb disks : 8 Classic Processors : 128MWords Memory : 4mm DDS1 DAT drive : 10Mbps AUI Network : Sun Sparc 5 System Console Hi - it appears that the system is located in the UK - is it serviceable/running? Has it been decommissioned yet ? Would it be able to be shipped to .au ? Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jan 6 13:19:23 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:47 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [ucc] Free stuff. In-Reply-To: <3874A9E1.310D204@newton.dialix.com.au>; from steve@newton.dialix.com.au on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 10:42:41PM +0800 References: <3874A9E1.310D204@newton.dialix.com.au> Message-ID: <20000106131923.B10524@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jan 06, stephen. scrawled : > Anyone interested in the following items listed below please email > steve@newton.dialix.com.au > > I am cleaning up the shed - yard and want to get rid of them. > They are either free or extremly cheep. > You will either have to pick them up yourself or (if they small ) i may > be able to drop them into the ucc on friday. > > 3 stepper motors ( approx 40-60mm diameter quite large) (might be > ammusing to experiment with) > 2 old dot matrix printer mechanisims (1 is a complete printer possibly > working) Perhaps either of the above could be used to replace the mtearle hacked mirrorball driving thingy? :) -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jan 6 13:36:25 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:47 2004 Subject: [tech] Mooneye building In-Reply-To: <20000103134642.A14563@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Nick Bannon on Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 01:46:43PM +0800 References: <19991220215634.A26207@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991221083503.A26135@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000103134642.A14563@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000106133623.U9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Oops, one major thing still missing out of the list was finger. You should be able to finger @ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au and get a complete list of logged-in users on all user machines, plus flame, plus the door status. You should also be able to finger door@ucc and coke@ucc. (not to mention ebing able to mail those two for an automated reply, but that's been broken for some time) Someone want to take a look? Things mooneye does: o Dispense (including door and coke serial ports) o Flame o bind o SSH (with appropriate authorized_keys in place, configured for wheel-only logins) o POP o SOCKS (4 and 5? Ian's new project) o TACACS auth server o Charged telnet tunnel o doorlogger (in /usr/local/sbin, started from /etc/rc.boot) o vimotd o crontabs o syslogd (sends coke logs to loghost - mola) o Apache? o Sendmail (or postfix/qmail/..., with mail charging scripts) o Mailman (or berolist/minimalist/majordomo/listserv/...) o ProFTPd (configured to disable puts) o FMS client o fingerd (including all machines, coke, door, flame) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From dunc at rcpt.to Thu Jan 6 14:35:50 2000 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:47 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Door problems In-Reply-To: <20000106135812.V9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:58:13PM +0800 References: <19991220215634.A26207@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991221083503.A26135@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000103134642.A14563@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000103230802.K9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000105200300.Q9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000106135812.V9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000106143549.C4988@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Nick Bannon wrote on Thu January 06, at 13:58 +0800: > Yep, the door's dodgy. I suspect the modem or black box is overheating > during the day. > > mooneye is producing the correct commands out its serial port, but > sometimes they must be getting lost along the way. What speed are the serial links? If we aren't using hardware flow control then anything > 9600 might be lossy. Can we check for the modem's error response from whatever AT command we are giving it? (is there even a response?) Can we eliminate the black box? ,dunc -- Duncan Sargeant - dunc@rcpt.to "First, never insult the giant purple iguanas in the corner, they are assholes with no sense of humor. Second, don't touch the red button, if you do we are all as good as dead. Welcome aboard, I am sure you will enjoy your stay." - G:ML From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jan 6 14:56:55 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:47 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Door problems In-Reply-To: <20000106143549.C4988@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Duncan Sargeant on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:35:50PM +0800 References: <19991220215634.A26207@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991221083503.A26135@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000103134642.A14563@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000103230802.K9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000105200300.Q9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000106135812.V9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000106143549.C4988@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000106145652.W9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:35:50PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: [...] > What speed are the serial links? If we aren't using hardware flow > control then anything > 9600 might be lossy. 1200bps. The black box has or had a label saying it was only good to 2400bps anyway... > Can we check for the modem's error response from whatever AT command > we are giving it? (is there even a response?) Yes we could... There's an echoing of characters (atH0/atH1), then an OK. > Can we eliminate the black box? Yes, perhaps with a DECserver. Whether that would be more reliable is anyone's guess.. I don't know if this modem supports it, but many modems can be reset on a dropped DTR, if they're not completely crashed - that could help, too. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 10 16:32:56 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:48 2004 Subject: [tech] SCSI TK-50 Message-ID: <20000110163253.E9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hmmm - it's not unique, but it could be handy and at only $40 US (plus shipping et al)... http://auctions.workstations.org/com/plsql/showitem?ItemId=1209199934612TK50-external-SCSI-tape-drive Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 11 10:49:49 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:48 2004 Subject: [tech] Lex and yacc Message-ID: <20000111104949.A8389@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi all, I'm trying to implement a compiler for a simple language in Lex and Yacc. Can anyone recomend a good book or reference for it? Has anyone looked at the O'reilly book? Basically I get given a bunch of hex byte codes and then lexify it to tokens and then syntax check it. Thanks, -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 11 11:14:44 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:48 2004 Subject: [tech] Lex and yacc In-Reply-To: <20000111104949.A8389@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Grahame Bowland on Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 10:49:49AM +0800 References: <20000111104949.A8389@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000111111443.F9994@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 10:49:49AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to implement a compiler for a simple language in Lex > and Yacc. Can anyone recomend a good book or reference for it? > Has anyone looked at the O'reilly book? No, but chances are that it'll be a very good intro and reference. > Basically I get given a bunch of hex byte codes and then lexify > it to tokens and then syntax check it. First, take a look at ; http://members.xoom.com/thomasn/y_man.htm Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From yakk at yakk.net.au Tue Jan 11 13:14:33 2000 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:48 2004 Subject: [tech] Lex and yacc In-Reply-To: <20000111104949.A8389@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20000111104949.A8389@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000111131433.A7688@yakk.net.au> On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 10:49:49AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to implement a compiler for a simple language in Lex > and Yacc. Can anyone recomend a good book or reference for it? > Has anyone looked at the O'reilly book? > > Basically I get given a bunch of hex byte codes and then lexify > it to tokens and then syntax check it. I've got a book which covers the Java equivalents. The syntax will be slightly differnt, but it explains the underlying principles well. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jan 13 07:53:23 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:48 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] web browser In-Reply-To: <20000113012738.A26304@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from michael@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 01:27:38AM +0800 References: <20000113012738.A26304@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000113075322.A28098@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jan 13, Michael Deegan scrawled : > Hi, > > Is Links (not to be confused with Lynx; see FreshMeat) installed? If so what > is the correct way of telling mutt to use it instead of w3m? I assume some > random MIME config thingy, but where? I compiled it from source on mussel, but got bored, forgot about it and never got around to figuring out how to make it do the UWA proxy stuff. I've just removed the files from the old source I used and installed the debian package, /usr/doc/links should have something useful if you need it to do UWA or UCC proxy stuff. -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html Mobile: 0419 205 123 From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jan 13 13:16:51 2000 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:49 2004 Subject: [tech] ftp phone Message-ID: <20000113131651.A30034@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> is mooneye now running the phone interface? i tried ncftp -u mooneye 375 quote dial xxxx xxxxx and it gives: DIAL not understood. bye -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au gotta www.wibble.org again From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 14 15:49:21 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:49 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: broken/down apache? In-Reply-To: <20000114152116.B740@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Glenn Butcher on Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 03:21:16PM +0800 References: <20000114152116.B740@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000114154920.B379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 03:21:16PM +0800, Glenn Butcher wrote: > mussel:/home/ucc/knight> telnet www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au 80 > Trying 130.95.13.9... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused > mussel:/home/ucc/knight> > > PS: This had to happen while I was configuring a web proxy didn't it. 15 > minutes of me assuming my config was broken. Then I remembered it _is_ the > UCC. Aha - looks like it came up unhappy after the power glitch. mooneye's apache was down, but it started OK. mermaid's apache was down, due to /services not being mounted. Should be happy, now. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 14 16:48:18 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:49 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: broken/down apache? In-Reply-To: <20000114154920.B379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Nick Bannon on Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 03:49:21PM +0800 References: <20000114152116.B740@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000114154920.B379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000114164818.A983@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jan 14, Nick Bannon scrawled : > On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 03:21:16PM +0800, Glenn Butcher wrote: > > mussel:/home/ucc/knight> telnet www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au 80 > > Trying 130.95.13.9... > > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused > > mussel:/home/ucc/knight> > > > > PS: This had to happen while I was configuring a web proxy didn't it. 15 > > minutes of me assuming my config was broken. Then I remembered it _is_ the > > UCC. > > Aha - looks like it came up unhappy after the power glitch. > > mooneye's apache was down, but it started OK. > mermaid's apache was down, due to /services not being mounted. > > Should be happy, now. /services should have mounted on bootup - its in fstab. Strange - what happens if mermaid comes up before mola and can't mount /services or /home - does it keep trying until mola comes up or just give up? Is there some way to have it periodically check that /home and /services are mounted and remount them if necessary? -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html Mobile: 0419 205 123 From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 14 16:50:34 2000 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grand Poobah Maset) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:49 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: broken/down apache? In-Reply-To: <20000114164818.A983@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: > Is there some way to have it periodically check that /home and /services > are mounted and remount them if necessary? > cron Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- 3rd year BSc.(Neuroscience) student, UWA. Comparative neuroscience research assistant, UWA. UCC Sysadmin. Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 14 17:31:25 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:49 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: broken/down apache? In-Reply-To: <20000114164818.A983@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Grahame Bowland on Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 04:48:18PM +0800 References: <20000114152116.B740@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000114154920.B379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000114164818.A983@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000114173124.D379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 04:48:18PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > /services should have mounted on bootup - its in fstab. Strange - what > happens if mermaid comes up before mola and can't mount /services or > /home - does it keep trying until mola comes up or just give up? Well, mola _does_ take longer to start up - it's a slower machine, running a bigger OS, in less RAM, with plenty of slow disk space to fsck. Meanwhile, if other machines can't mount it, they eventually have to time out. If we used the "bg" mount option, they could keep retrying in the background, which might be good. If they're already mounted and the NFS server goes down for a while, then by default they retry forever. (the alternative is a "soft mount", which will return an I/O error after retries and timeouts) > Is there some way to have it periodically check that /home and /services > are mounted and remount them if necessary? As Anil said - cron. Moray (and now mooneye) have this in their root crontab ; */15 * * * * /bin/mount -a -t nfs > /dev/null I'm in two minds as to whether it's a good idea - things could very confusing if you unmount something for a reason and it comes back. Another approach might be to use the kernel automounter. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 14 18:42:04 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:50 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: broken/down apache? In-Reply-To: <20000114173124.D379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Nick Bannon at "Jan 14, 0 05:31:25 pm" Message-ID: <200001141042.SAA01534@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 04:48:18PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > /services should have mounted on bootup - its in fstab. Strange - what > > happens if mermaid comes up before mola and can't mount /services or > > /home - does it keep trying until mola comes up or just give up? > > Well, mola _does_ take longer to start up - it's a slower machine, > running a bigger OS, in less RAM, with plenty of slow disk space to fsck. Yes. Time to move NFS to scarlet. 100Mb ethernet and XFS. > Meanwhile, if other machines can't mount it, they eventually have to > time out. If we used the "bg" mount option, they could keep retrying in > the background, which might be good. > If they're already mounted and the NFS server goes down for a while, > then by default they retry forever. (the alternative is a "soft mount", > which will return an I/O error after retries and timeouts) Automount! > > Is there some way to have it periodically check that /home and /services > > are mounted and remount them if necessary? Automount! > As Anil said - cron. Moray (and now mooneye) have this in their root > crontab ; > */15 * * * * /bin/mount -a -t nfs > /dev/null > > I'm in two minds as to whether it's a good idea - things could very > confusing if you unmount something for a reason and it comes back. > > Another approach might be to use the kernel automounter. Yes :) The right way(TM) Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 14 19:12:27 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:50 2004 Subject: [tech] New HDD req for azure Message-ID: <200001141112.TAA01596@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bing. Azure's hard drive is dead. It'll be way outta warranty. The machine is f*cked without it & its the fastest SGI we've got. Can we purchase a new one..? OR - purchase a bigger SCSI disk for /home & stick that drive into the SGI? Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 14 22:11:37 2000 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:50 2004 Subject: [tech] New HDD req for azure In-Reply-To: <200001141112.TAA01596@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 07:12:27PM +0800 References: <200001141112.TAA01596@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000114221136.A2970@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jan 14, David Manchester scrawled : > Azure's hard drive is dead. > It'll be way outta warranty. > that is bad, sad news. has Mark Stephens sold off those hard drives he advertised (and mustang fwd'd to the list last week)? they looked cheap, but 2nd hand and not big. > Can we purchase a new one..? OR - purchase a bigger SCSI disk for > /home & stick that drive into the SGI? > I have a 2GB quantum we could poke in there temporarily, I will be needing it in a few weeks, but can part with it until a permanent replacement is found. It is only 10MHz ,narrow as well. how much space does azure *really* need/use? the idea of using the current /home drive and getting a replacement there sounds good. wave, -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au gotta www.wibble.org again From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Jan 16 00:07:56 2000 From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:50 2004 Subject: [tech] dumpster diving Message-ID: <200001151607.AAA21881@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> My brother found a dumpster full of computer stuff on Havelock street, near Parliament house (I think he said it was behind 'Interim Technology', or something similar. He brought home a load of bits and pieces in the hope I'd find some of it useful, but anyone interested in dumpster diving should go check it out (maybe check with the owners first). The more interesting looking stuff he picked up seem to be: -An Anvil Designs 'Stallion' 16 port serial card and port box, complete with disks and manuals. (Anvil are what Stallion used to call themselves) -Two EISA SCSI cards, with an adaptec chipset but no identifiable model number. I'm fairly sure they are EISA - it's the funky two-level edge connector, right? -A one-to-five serial port box, like the 'black box' that runs the door sensors, but seems to be more modern - might be faster. -A DEC power distribution and switching box - 20A mains cord, and 8 switched mains outlets. -What I'd guess is an RS6000 card, function unknown. -An assortment of 9-track tapes and wierd removable disk cartridges It seems to be an interesting mixture, ranging from 80's to early 90's (the Stallion card is 93). If anyone wants any of the stuff above, let me know, because I can't use any of it, and it's going to get re-dumped soon. Oh, and someone else has dumped a complete RS6000 system on me - external CD, 16 port serial card, 3 terminals, etc. It seems to be missing an internal SCSI cable - at least I think it's SCSI but it needs an edge connector on one end. It's sitting in my office at work, and I certainly don't want it - he left it there and asked me to find out more about it. I'm not sure if he wants to get rid of it, but in case he does, does anyone want it? If so, let me know and I'll pass you on to him. Andrew From mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Sun Jan 16 11:20:50 2000 From: mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:50 2004 Subject: [tech] dumpster diving In-Reply-To: <200001151607.AAA21881@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Andrew Williams wrote: > The more interesting looking stuff he picked up seem to be: > > -An Anvil Designs 'Stallion' 16 port serial card and port box, complete > with disks and manuals. (Anvil are what Stallion used to call > themselves) > UCC could definitely make use of this, perhaps to retire the blackbox or provide a terminal server. > -A one-to-five serial port box, like the 'black box' that runs the door > sensors, but seems to be more modern - might be faster. > > -A DEC power distribution and switching box - 20A mains cord, and 8 > switched mains outlets. > Both of these I'd be keen to look at. > -An assortment of 9-track tapes and wierd removable disk cartridges > A friend of mine is looking for some junked tapes to make clothing out of. So drag some of those down too. Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au "If a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man." - A Clockwork Orange From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Jan 16 11:37:14 2000 From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:51 2004 Subject: [tech] dumpster diving Message-ID: <200001160337.LAA31291@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:20:50 +0800 (WST), Mark Tearle wrote: >On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Andrew Williams wrote: > >> The more interesting looking stuff he picked up seem to be: >> >> -An Anvil Designs 'Stallion' 16 port serial card and port box, complete >> with disks and manuals. (Anvil are what Stallion used to call >> themselves) >> >UCC could definitely make use of this, perhaps to retire the blackbox >or provide a terminal server. James has already said he'd be interested, so I was going to let him have first look at it. I've done some web browsing, and the early Anvil/Stallion cards got awful reviews - apparently they can barely handle 9600b on two ports without dropping characters, and they don't adhere to tech specs very well, even thier own. >> -A one-to-five serial port box, like the 'black box' that runs the door >> sensors, but seems to be more modern - might be faster. >> >> -A DEC power distribution and switching box - 20A mains cord, and 8 >> switched mains outlets. >> > >Both of these I'd be keen to look at. > >> -An assortment of 9-track tapes and wierd removable disk cartridges >> >A friend of mine is looking for some junked tapes to make clothing out of. >So drag some of those down too. Apparently Simon is goign to be up in Kalamunda this week, so I'll probably wait for him and let him take the lot. There's only one tape that Keith brought home, so if you want more, you need to go to the source :-) Andrew From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 07:56:43 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:51 2004 Subject: [tech] Debian Potato Freeze Message-ID: <20000117075642.A17600@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Well, Debian just froze potato. We may as well organise this now - which machines should stay on the "stable" potato and which should track the new unstable, Woody? In particular, does anyone mind if I dist-upgrade mussel (once the UWA mirror gets in sync with the official one) so that it gets on to woody with a minimal change? I'll fix any problems that occur. -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html Mobile: 0419 205 123 From yakk at yakk.net.au Mon Jan 17 08:40:50 2000 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:51 2004 Subject: [tech] Debian Potato Freeze In-Reply-To: <20000117075642.A17600@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20000117075642.A17600@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000117084050.B1641@yakk.net.au> On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 07:56:43AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Well, Debian just froze potato. We may as well organise this now - > which machines should stay on the "stable" potato and which should > track the new unstable, Woody? > > In particular, does anyone mind if I dist-upgrade mussel (once the > UWA mirror gets in sync with the official one) so that it gets on > to woody with a minimal change? I'll fix any problems that occur. Its okay to upgrade, just make sure you don't let any config files get overwritten - if it asks you, take a close look at the file... Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 09:35:46 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:51 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? Message-ID: <200001170135.JAA10672@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hiya - I've got a Pentium on a VX chipset board that I got for lo-cash. We've spoken of revisiting the router, quite often in the past... Does someone want to select a good case and PSU, and we'll implant this & swap the guts over next Friday or something? Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 09:40:47 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:51 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <200001170135.JAA10672@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from David Manchester on Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:35:46AM +0800 References: <200001170135.JAA10672@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000117094046.P379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:35:46AM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > Hiya - I've got a Pentium on a VX chipset board that I got for lo-cash. > We've spoken of revisiting the router, quite often in the past... > Does someone want to select a good case and PSU, and we'll implant this > & swap the guts over next Friday or something? How many PCI slots does the current machine have? and how many does this VX board have? We've budgeted to buy two more PCI Tulip's, if we were to change boards we'd better make sure it's an improvement. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 09:49:14 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:51 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20000117094046.P379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Nick Bannon at "Jan 17, 0 09:40:47 am" Message-ID: <200001170149.JAA10794@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:35:46AM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > > Hiya - I've got a Pentium on a VX chipset board that I got for lo-cash. > > We've spoken of revisiting the router, quite often in the past... > > Does someone want to select a good case and PSU, and we'll implant this > > & swap the guts over next Friday or something? > > How many PCI slots does the current machine have? and how many does this > VX board have? Erm, three and four respectively IIRC. > We've budgeted to buy two more PCI Tulip's, if we were to change boards > we'd better make sure it's an improvement. Cool - so buy them. A couple of Netgears or somesuch would be a good go. Someone on committee want to take the initiative..? Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From dunc at rcpt.to Mon Jan 17 09:56:22 2000 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:52 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <200001170135.JAA10672@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:35:46AM +0800 References: <200001170135.JAA10672@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000117095622.A17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> David Manchester wrote on Mon January 17, at 09:35 +0800: > Hiya - I've got a Pentium on a VX chipset board that I got for lo-cash. > We've spoken of revisiting the router, quite often in the past... > Does someone want to select a good case and PSU, and we'll implant this > & swap the guts over next Friday or something? While we're at it, does anyone object to switching to the Linux Router Project? Nothing to do with bigotry, its just that the 1G drive would be more useful doing something a little more than routing. I'm sure we can beg/borrow/steal a floppy drive from somewhere. I think I mentioned somewhere in there that the LRP is a router on a floppy disk. ,dunc -- Duncan Sargeant "First, never insult the giant purple iguanas in the corner, they are assholes with no sense of humor. Second, don't touch the red button, if you do we are all as good as dead. Welcome aboard, I am sure you will enjoy your stay." - G:ML From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 10:11:42 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:52 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20000117095622.A17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Duncan Sargeant on Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:56:22AM +0800 References: <200001170135.JAA10672@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000117095622.A17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000117101141.S379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:56:22AM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > While we're at it, does anyone object to switching to the Linux Router > Project? [free up the HDD] We could switch between the LRP and PicoBSD on demand. ::-) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From ben at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 10:12:49 2000 From: ben at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Ben Rampling) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:52 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20000117101141.S379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Nick Bannon at "Jan 17, 0 10:11:42 am" Message-ID: <200001170212.KAA10928@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:56:22AM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > > While we're at it, does anyone object to switching to the Linux Router > > Project? > [free up the HDD] > > We could switch between the LRP and PicoBSD on demand. ::-) It's a 200Mb HDD -- what's the point? Regards, Ben Rampling From dunc at rcpt.to Mon Jan 17 10:15:33 2000 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:52 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <200001170212.KAA10928@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from ben@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 10:12:49AM +0800 References: <20000117101141.S379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200001170212.KAA10928@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000117101532.B17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Ben Rampling wrote on Mon January 17, at 10:12 +0800: > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:56:22AM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > > > While we're at it, does anyone object to switching to the Linux Router > > > Project? > > [free up the HDD] > > > > We could switch between the LRP and PicoBSD on demand. ::-) > > It's a 200Mb HDD -- what's the point? Its actually 500, but I thought it 1G (silly me counted the number of blocks). ,dunc -- Duncan Sargeant "First, never insult the giant purple iguanas in the corner, they are assholes with no sense of humor. Second, don't touch the red button, if you do we are all as good as dead. Welcome aboard, I am sure you will enjoy your stay." - G:ML From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 10:21:47 2000 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grand Poobah Maset) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:52 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20000117095622.A17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: [Dunc] > While we're at it, does anyone object to switching to the Linux Router > Project? Nothing to do with bigotry, its just that the 1G drive would > be more useful doing something a little more than routing. I'm sure we > can beg/borrow/steal a floppy drive from somewhere. Damn good idea, I've been wondering about this for a while. > I think I mentioned somewhere in there that the LRP is a router on a > floppy disk. It can be installed on a floppy, but I don't know if our purposes require a larger install. Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- 3rd year BSc.(Neuroscience) student, UWA. Comparative neuroscience research assistant, UWA. UCC Sysadmin. Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From ben at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 10:22:27 2000 From: ben at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Ben Rampling) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:53 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20000117101532.B17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Duncan Sargeant at "Jan 17, 0 10:15:33 am" Message-ID: <200001170222.KAA10983@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > Its actually 500, but I thought it 1G (silly me counted the number of > blocks). Mmm, good point, I just remembered where the 200 went. In any case, the reason that drive was placed there was to keep traffic logs when the router was placed between the club machines and the world. Regards, Ben Rampling From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 10:45:36 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:53 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <200001170149.JAA10794@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:49:14AM +0800 References: <20000117094046.P379@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200001170149.JAA10794@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000117104536.A18579@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jan 17, David Manchester scrawled : > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 09:35:46AM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > > > Hiya - I've got a Pentium on a VX chipset board that I got for lo-cash. > > > We've spoken of revisiting the router, quite often in the past... > > > Does someone want to select a good case and PSU, and we'll implant this > > > & swap the guts over next Friday or something? > > > > How many PCI slots does the current machine have? and how many does this > > VX board have? > > Erm, three and four respectively IIRC. > > > We've budgeted to buy two more PCI Tulip's, if we were to change boards > > we'd better make sure it's an improvement. > > Cool - so buy them. A couple of Netgears or somesuch would be a good go. > > Someone on committee want to take the initiative..? If someone can tell me the name and approximate location of a reasonable PC hardware store in Fremantle I'd be only too willing to help. We can probably arrange cheques at tommmorow's committee meeting. -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html Mobile: 0419 205 123 From mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 10:58:17 2000 From: mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:53 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20000117095622.A17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > David Manchester wrote on Mon January 17, at 09:35 +0800: > > Hiya - I've got a Pentium on a VX chipset board that I got for lo-cash. > > We've spoken of revisiting the router, quite often in the past... > > Does someone want to select a good case and PSU, and we'll implant this > > & swap the guts over next Friday or something? > > While we're at it, does anyone object to switching to the Linux Router > Project? Nothing to do with bigotry, its just that the 1G drive would > be more useful doing something a little more than routing. I'm sure we > can beg/borrow/steal a floppy drive from somewhere. > > I think I mentioned somewhere in there that the LRP is a router on a > floppy disk. > > ,dunc No, objections as long as the f**king thing routes Appletalk correctly (like the Linux router did before the it got BSD'd) by the end of it. Oh, and a friendlier set of firewall rules wouldn't go astray either. Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au "If a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man." - A Clockwork Orange From dunc at rcpt.to Mon Jan 17 11:01:42 2000 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:53 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: ; from mtearle+ucc@tartarus.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 10:58:17AM +0800 References: <20000117095622.A17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000117110142.F17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Mark Tearle wrote on Mon January 17, at 10:58 +0800: > No, objections as long as the f**king thing routes Appletalk correctly > (like the Linux router did before the it got BSD'd) by the end of it. Do you want to find out if it does? Do we have broken Appletalk routing now? > Oh, and a friendlier set of firewall rules wouldn't go astray either. mail wsmith@wordsmith.org -s 'define friendlier' ? ,dunc -- Duncan Sargeant "First, never insult the giant purple iguanas in the corner, they are assholes with no sense of humor. Second, don't touch the red button, if you do we are all as good as dead. Welcome aboard, I am sure you will enjoy your stay." - G:ML From mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 17 11:10:41 2000 From: mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:53 2004 Subject: [tech] router upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20000117110142.F17931@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > Mark Tearle wrote on Mon January 17, at 10:58 +0800: > > No, objections as long as the f**king thing routes Appletalk correctly > > (like the Linux router did before the it got BSD'd) by the end of it. > > Do you want to find out if it does? Do we have broken Appletalk routing > now? It's been broken for several months, atalkd doesn't even start, and mentioned on the wheel list at least a couple of times. Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au "If a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man." - A Clockwork Orange From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 21 12:51:55 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:54 2004 Subject: [tech] Mooneye Message-ID: <20000121125155.A9764@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi all, mooneye:~> uptime 12:47pm up 7 days, 1:26, 6 users, load average: 0.68, 0.16, 0.05 Mooneye seems to be running fine. Is the transition from Moray complete? In other words, is there anything that needs to be done before we can consider the contents of moray's hard drive dump on mussel historical rather than useful? -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html Mobile: 0419 205 123 From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 21 14:00:45 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:54 2004 Subject: [tech] Mooneye In-Reply-To: <20000121125155.A9764@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Grahame Bowland on Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 12:51:55PM +0800 References: <20000121125155.A9764@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000121140043.A26982@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 12:51:55PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Mooneye seems to be running fine. Yep, much improved. > Is the transition from Moray complete? > In other words, is there anything that needs to be done before we can > consider the contents of moray's hard drive dump on mussel historical > rather than useful? Finger. It should collect and serve finger info for all UCC user machines - I don't know if it was working perfectly before but it's definitely not doing it now. That'll take a bit of setting up. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From dunc at rcpt.to Fri Jan 21 14:12:39 2000 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:54 2004 Subject: [tech] Mooneye In-Reply-To: <20000121140043.A26982@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 02:00:45PM +0800 References: <20000121125155.A9764@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000121140043.A26982@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000121141238.D9602@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Nick Bannon wrote on Fri January 21, at 14:00 +0800: > > Is the transition from Moray complete? > > In other words, is there anything that needs to be done before we can > > consider the contents of moray's hard drive dump on mussel historical > > rather than useful? > > Finger. It should collect and serve finger info for all UCC user machines > - I don't know if it was working perfectly before but it's definitely > not doing it now. That'll take a bit of setting up. The server is still running on morayold nice and chirpy. (finger @morayold) I have patches to GNU finger to make it run on linux and do something, but you still need to configure it on something old, like starfish, before compiling on a linux box. I won't have the time to compile it myself until after Australia Day, so if someone else wants to bash it, go ahead! ,dunc -- Duncan Sargeant "First, never insult the giant purple iguanas in the corner, they are assholes with no sense of humor. Second, don't touch the red button, if you do we are all as good as dead. Welcome aboard, I am sure you will enjoy your stay." - G:ML From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 24 07:55:43 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:54 2004 Subject: [tech] The Hurd Message-ID: <20000124075543.A7247@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hiho all, I think that the Hurd is an interesting project within the free software world. It would be nice if the UCC could get with the latest 'cool thing' out there, and maybe run a Hurd box. I tryed to set one up a while ago, but ran into problems with the flaky 486 hardware I was using. The Hurd installation procedure seems to have simplified a lot. Do we have any 500Mb or so hard drives around? A smaller hard drive for a minimal Linux install would also be good. GNU seem to be working very closely with Debian to make the Hurd available, all of the GNU instructions reference Debian. What do people think? Anybody mind having the Hurd running on a box in the machine room? Its new and probably unstable - would that be a problem? -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html Mobile: 0419 205 123 From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 24 11:34:21 2000 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grand Poobah Maset) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:55 2004 Subject: [tech] The Hurd In-Reply-To: <20000124075543.A7247@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: > Hiho all, > > I think that the Hurd is an interesting project within the free software > world. It would be nice if the UCC could get with the latest 'cool thing' > out there, and maybe run a Hurd box. I tryed to set one up a while ago, > but ran into problems with the flaky 486 hardware I was using. Some people were doing this a couple of years ago I think. Wasn't there some multi-processor m/b box set aside for HURD? Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- 3rd year BSc.(Neuroscience) student, UWA. Comparative neuroscience research assistant, UWA. UCC Sysadmin. Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 24 17:41:13 2000 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:55 2004 Subject: [tech] The Hurd In-Reply-To: ; from Grand Poobah Maset on Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 11:34:21AM +0800 References: <20000124075543.A7247@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000124174113.M151@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle > A while ago Grand Poobah Maset tapped: > > I think that the Hurd is an interesting project within the free software > > world. It would be nice if the UCC could get with the latest 'cool thing' > > out there, and maybe run a Hurd box. I tryed to set one up a while ago, > > but ran into problems with the flaky 486 hardware I was using. > > Some people were doing this a couple of years ago I think. Wasn't there > some multi-processor m/b box set aside for HURD? Two 486's where specifically purchased to run the hurd. Unfortunatly they had rather interesting hardware combinations that made them difficult to install on. One of these machins was then used for moray and the other for parts etc AFAIK. I think having a couple of hurd boxes would be really good. Make it two or more though, one will just won't be enough - a development machine and a test and burn machine. Good Luck See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jan 25 07:45:04 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:55 2004 Subject: [tech] The Hurd In-Reply-To: <20000124174113.M151@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from fryers@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jan 24, 2000 at 05:41:13PM +0800 References: <20000124075543.A7247@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000124174113.M151@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000125074504.A13444@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jan 24, Simon Fryer scrawled : > Bingle > > > A while ago Grand Poobah Maset tapped: > > > > I think that the Hurd is an interesting project within the free software > > > world. It would be nice if the UCC could get with the latest 'cool thing' > > > out there, and maybe run a Hurd box. I tryed to set one up a while ago, > > > but ran into problems with the flaky 486 hardware I was using. > > > > Some people were doing this a couple of years ago I think. Wasn't there > > some multi-processor m/b box set aside for HURD? > > Two 486's where specifically purchased to run the hurd. Unfortunatly they had > rather interesting hardware combinations that made them difficult to install on. > One of these machins was then used for moray and the other for parts etc AFAIK. > > I think having a couple of hurd boxes would be really good. Make it two or more > though, one will just won't be enough - a development machine and a test and > burn machine. I'll do this on Saturday or Sunday. I'll try and find some nice network cards. They were my main problem when trying to set up Hurd boxes before. Dodgy (and I mean dodgy) NE2k clones that have been lying around the clubroom for 3 months don't make good equipment for a development box. It'd be good to be more sure if it was the Hurd that had the bug or the hardware :) See you all, -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html Mobile: 0419 205 123 From vyxn at vyxn.net Wed Jan 26 08:14:48 2000 From: vyxn at vyxn.net (Balmik Soin) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:55 2004 Subject: [tech] ADSL/USB linux support Message-ID: morning ppl... happy australia day btw... (gotta rememerb to ring my bro!) anyway, quick question... lcoal telco is offering dirt cheap fast net access... but the catch is they provide a adsl modem that connects to a USB port on your computer, and so they state that it will only work with windows 98... NOT 95, or NT or on a mac... now of course i want to use a *nix box to dialin (as i am actually planning to use it as backup bandwidth at work) and so i was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction to find out if this is possible... or if they could tell me it isnt... i have this fear the adsl modems they sell are the winmodems of the dsl world, as they only cost $140, and they say only work on windows 98... lacking in sleep once again, balmik. ps. anyone remember "Tang", the drink flavour stuff ? i found it last night, that made my day :) From vyxn at vyxn.net Wed Jan 26 08:29:30 2000 From: vyxn at vyxn.net (Balmik Soin) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:55 2004 Subject: [tech] adsl/usb followup Message-ID: oh if its any help the adsl modem is a Efficient SpeedStream 4060 i hope i dont sound like im turning ucc into a tech support line :) (given that we're so against being an ISP and all, not to mention quite a few of u probably have battle scars from manning the front line) rapidly losing his ability to construct coherent sentences, Balmik. From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Jan 26 11:19:47 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:56 2004 Subject: [tech] ADSL/USB linux support In-Reply-To: ; from vyxn@vyxn.net on Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 08:14:48AM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20000126111947.A1838@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jan 26, Balmik Soin scrawled : > morning ppl... > > happy australia day btw... > (gotta rememerb to ring my bro!) > anyway, quick question... > > lcoal telco is offering dirt cheap fast net access... but the catch is > they provide a adsl modem that connects to a USB port on your computer, > and so they state that it will only work with windows 98... NOT 95, or NT > or on a mac... > > now of course i want to use a *nix box to dialin (as i am actually > planning to use it as backup bandwidth at work) and so i was wondering if > anyone could point me in the right direction to find out if this is > possible... or if they could tell me it isnt... Run a development Linux kernel (2.3.40 is the latest) and it has USB support. Check Alan Cox's website (linux.org.uk) to find out if it supports the adsl modem :) > i have this fear the adsl modems they sell are the winmodems of the dsl > world, as they only cost $140, and they say only work on windows 98... > ps. anyone remember "Tang", the drink flavour stuff ? i found it last > night, that made my day :) It sounds bad, anyway :) -- Grahame Bowland - UCC Sysadmin, Ordinary Committee Member Email: gbowland(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html Mobile: 0419 205 123 From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Jan 26 11:36:09 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:56 2004 Subject: [tech] adsl/usb followup In-Reply-To: ; from Balmik Soin on Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 08:29:30AM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20000126113605.H9493@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 08:29:30AM +0800, Balmik Soin wrote: > oh if its any help the adsl modem is a > > Efficient SpeedStream 4060 It's not a good sign if they're not supporting iMacs. OTOH, being a Winmodem at ASDL speeds would be a _lot_ harder - do they demand a minimum CPU on the Win98 box to speak of? > i hope i dont sound like im turning ucc into a tech support line :) > (given that we're so against being an ISP and all, not to mention > quite a few of u probably have battle scars from manning the front line) In moderation it's fine. A two way flow of information is to be encouraged, though. Tell us how you go - maybe call them up and pretend you have an iMac. ::-) > rapidly losing his ability to construct coherent sentences, > Balmik. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From yakk at yakk.net.au Wed Jan 26 11:46:55 2000 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:56 2004 Subject: [tech] ADSL/USB linux support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000126114655.A5162@yakk.net.au> On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 08:14:48AM +0800, Balmik Soin wrote: > morning ppl... > > happy australia day btw... > (gotta rememerb to ring my bro!) > anyway, quick question... > > lcoal telco is offering dirt cheap fast net access... but the catch is > they provide a adsl modem that connects to a USB port on your computer, > and so they state that it will only work with windows 98... NOT 95, or NT > or on a mac... > > now of course i want to use a *nix box to dialin (as i am actually > planning to use it as backup bandwidth at work) and so i was wondering if > anyone could point me in the right direction to find out if this is > possible... or if they could tell me it isnt... > > i have this fear the adsl modems they sell are the winmodems of the dsl > world, as they only cost $140, and they say only work on windows 98... The Linux USB stuff is getting pretty good. They've got support for a vast number of devices (every day I delete many messages from my linux-usb inbox relating to more devices that work). Take a look at the web page.. I think its something like http://www.suse.cz/linux-usb/ or /usb/ or something... Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. From yakk at yakk.net.au Wed Jan 26 11:48:28 2000 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:56 2004 Subject: [tech] ADSL/USB linux support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000126114828.B5162@yakk.net.au> On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 08:14:48AM +0800, Balmik Soin wrote: > morning ppl... > > happy australia day btw... > (gotta rememerb to ring my bro!) > anyway, quick question... > > lcoal telco is offering dirt cheap fast net access... but the catch is > they provide a adsl modem that connects to a USB port on your computer, > and so they state that it will only work with windows 98... NOT 95, or NT > or on a mac... Oh, and by the way. YOU BASTARD. I wish I could get adsl - even if I had to run a windows box :) Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. From davidb at dogmatix.rcpt.to Wed Jan 26 13:54:18 2000 From: davidb at dogmatix.rcpt.to (David Basden) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:57 2004 Subject: [tech] ADSL/USB linux support In-Reply-To: <20000126114828.B5162@yakk.net.au>; from yakk@yakk.net.au on Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 11:48:28AM +0800 References: <20000126114828.B5162@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <20000126165418.B5087@dogmatix.rcpt.to> On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 11:48:28AM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 08:14:48AM +0800, Balmik Soin wrote: > > morning ppl... > > > > happy australia day btw... > > (gotta rememerb to ring my bro!) > > anyway, quick question... > > > > lcoal telco is offering dirt cheap fast net access... but the catch is > > they provide a adsl modem that connects to a USB port on your computer, > > and so they state that it will only work with windows 98... NOT 95, or NT > > or on a mac... > > Oh, and by the way. > > YOU BASTARD. > > I wish I could get adsl - even if I had to run a windows box :) We have HDSL... Is that close enough? ;-) .. D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 28 16:48:16 2000 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grand Poobah Maset) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:57 2004 Subject: [tech] /home Message-ID: /home is very full. Who normally deals with this? Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- 3rd year BSc.(Neuroscience) student, UWA. Comparative neuroscience research assistant, UWA. UCC Sysadmin. Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 28 16:53:25 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:58 2004 Subject: [tech] /home In-Reply-To: from Grand Poobah Maset at "Jan 28, 0 04:48:16 pm" Message-ID: <200001280853.QAA20126@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > /home is very full. Who normally deals with this? Uhh, wheel - i.e. You... I'll have a sniff about. Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From yakk at yakk.net.au Fri Jan 28 16:53:53 2000 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:58 2004 Subject: [tech] /home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000128165353.C2483@yakk.net.au> On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 04:48:16PM +0800, Grand Poobah Maset wrote: > /home is very full. Who normally deals with this? > You (being the person who noticed) :-) Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 28 16:58:06 2000 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grand Poobah Maset) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:58 2004 Subject: [tech] /home In-Reply-To: <200001280853.QAA20126@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: > > /home is very full. Who normally deals with this? > > Uhh, wheel - i.e. You... Bah, doesn't someone have a script to find the offenders? Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- 3rd year BSc.(Neuroscience) student, UWA. Comparative neuroscience research assistant, UWA. UCC Sysadmin. Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 28 17:06:08 2000 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:58 2004 Subject: [tech] /home In-Reply-To: ; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 04:58:06PM +0800 References: <200001280853.QAA20126@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000128170607.A8192@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jan 28, Grand Poobah Maset scrawled : > Bah, doesn't someone have a script to find the offenders? > erm. no. but i'll remove some of my stuff. Might free up a 100M or so .... cya -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au gotta www.wibble.org again From mjdawson at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 28 17:07:48 2000 From: mjdawson at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Michael Dawson) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:58 2004 Subject: [tech] /home In-Reply-To: <20000128170607.A8192@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: > erm. no. but i'll remove some of my stuff. Might free up a 100M or so .... *laugh* yeah.. that 160Mb is a little large :P Michael From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 28 17:13:51 2000 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:58 2004 Subject: [tech] /home In-Reply-To: ; from Michael Dawson on Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 05:07:48PM +0800 References: <20000128170607.A8192@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000128171351.J151@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bing > A while ago Michael Dawson tapped: > > erm. no. but i'll remove some of my stuff. Might free up a 100M or so .... > > *laugh* yeah.. that 160Mb is a little large :P Remember, every little bit (or byte) helps. Also, sending irrelevent email to the list does not! :-) It just gets coppied multiple times to /home!!! See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 28 17:16:01 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:59 2004 Subject: [tech] /home In-Reply-To: ; from Grand Poobah Maset on Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 04:58:06PM +0800 References: <200001280853.QAA20126@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000128171559.B19034@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 04:58:06PM +0800, Grand Poobah Maset wrote: > Bah, doesn't someone have a script to find the offenders? I try to leave some files around each time, like /home/{wheel,ucc.other}/du-sk.20000112 . They'll let you see who's taking up lots of room and (importantly) what large changes there have been. There's /home/wheel/bin/nukecaches and /home/wheel/bin/nukecores . Always read scripts like that before running it, then ignore them and do exactly what you need to do, slowly, manually and _carefully_. ::-) They don't tend to help much these days, but if you find something else you want to search for, you can modify them. Large unpacked source directories can be a problem - poke the owners and see if they really do need that year old version of XYZ, or whether they can make clean/tar-gzip/diff/delete it. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From warrick at wyvern.com.au Fri Jan 28 17:24:22 2000 From: warrick at wyvern.com.au (Warrick Mitchell) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:59 2004 Subject: [tech] /home In-Reply-To: <20000128170607.A8192@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 05:06:08PM +0800 References: <200001280853.QAA20126@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000128170607.A8192@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000128172422.A26024@wyvern.com.au> On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 05:06:08PM +0800, Jean-Paul Blaquiere wrote: > > On Jan 28, Grand Poobah Maset scrawled : > > > Bah, doesn't someone have a script to find the offenders? > > > erm. no. but i'll remove some of my stuff. Might free up a 100M or so .... erm yes. :) just no one was paying an attention to it, so i stopped it going to wheel. Seeya, Warrick From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 28 17:27:06 2000 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:59 2004 Subject: [tech] /home Message-ID: <20000128172704.A8304@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> beowulf[18]~> df 1:04 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on home:/home 6175393 5879788 233852 96% /home much better :) -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au gotta www.wibble.org again From root at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jan 28 17:38:48 2000 From: root at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (The Operator) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:59 2004 Subject: [tech] User Disk Space Usage Message-ID: <200001280938.RAA20636@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> mp3pp is using 290278K worth of space in /services/mp3pp. unisfa is using 13706K worth of space in /home/other/unisfa. comrade is using 319537K worth of space in /home/ucc/comrade. sean is using 28236K worth of space in /home/ucc/sean. evan is using 18695K worth of space in /home/ucc/evan. null is using 17720K worth of space in /home/ucc/null. doi is using 16448K worth of space in /home/ucc/doi. packrat is using 50865K worth of space in /home/ucc/packrat. anilsson is using 14564K worth of space in /home/ucc/anilsson. madams is using 17876K worth of space in /home/ucc/madams. knight is using 78219K worth of space in /home/ucc/knight. sophie is using 51825K worth of space in /home/ucc/sophie. michael is using 21087K worth of space in /home/ucc/michael. twistie is using 57540K worth of space in /home/ucc/twistie. japester is using 34963K worth of space in /home/ucc/japester. skippy is using 23128K worth of space in /home/ucc/skippy. avatar is using 12283K worth of space in /home/ucc/avatar. predator is using 33935K worth of space in /home/ucc/predator. yautja is using 14874K worth of space in /home/ucc/yautja. dirtbag is using 18002K worth of space in /home/ucc/dirtbag. silver is using 26089K worth of space in /home/ucc/silver. alastair is using 24391K worth of space in /home/ucc/alastair. hannes is using 50734K worth of space in /home/ucc/hannes. mjdawson is using 22739K worth of space in /home/ucc/mjdawson. koszelak is using 25433K worth of space in /home/ucc/koszelak. redcloud is using 53739K worth of space in /home/ucc/redcloud. sarah is using 11188K worth of space in /home/ucc/sarah. uncut is using 12322K worth of space in /home/ucc/uncut. duffill is using 55712K worth of space in /home/ucc/duffill. mulderq is using 13827K worth of space in /home/ucc/mulderq. unclemib is using 19841K worth of space in /home/ucc/unclemib. pandinac is using 35702K worth of space in /home/ucc/pandinac. sety is using 20038K worth of space in /home/ucc/sety. bongus is using 18545K worth of space in /home/ucc/bongus. chas is using 10509K worth of space in /home/ucc/chas. grolston is using 26749K worth of space in /home/ucc/grolston. ccf is using 41615K worth of space in /home/ucc/ccf. zarie is using 14002K worth of space in /home/ucc/zarie. melissa is using 13574K worth of space in /home/ucc/melissa. acolyte is using 17857K worth of space in /home/ucc/acolyte. brendanj is using 11571K worth of space in /home/ucc/brendanj. adrian is using 34899K worth of space in /home/ucc/adrian. cybacolt is using 28170K worth of space in /home/ucc/cybacolt. From james at rcpt.to Sat Jan 29 01:58:48 2000 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:59 2004 Subject: [tech] /home In-Reply-To: <20000128172704.A8304@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Jean-Paul Blaquiere on Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 05:27:06PM +0800 References: <20000128172704.A8304@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000129015848.B21152@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Perhaps users with mailboxes bigger than 10 MB should be dealt with. Esp. /home/mail/redcloud.big - redclouds mail tots up to 20+ MB in the spool dir. -- James Bromberger, UWA Campus Wide Information Systems Officer (UWA Webmaster) Work Ph: +61-8-9380-7306 Work Fax: +61-8-9380-1162 Remainder moved to http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~james/james/sig.html james@bromberger.com From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Jan 29 17:20:38 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:19:00 2004 Subject: [tech] Sending mail hangs on mermaid and mussel Message-ID: <20000129172037.E19034@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Sending mail hangs, with DNS timeouts ; echo "test" | /usr/sbin/sendmail nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au It eventually works, after what seems to be a lot of DNS timeouts... Manually looking up the names seems fine. Check out mermaid:/tmp/sendmail.log for an strace (stracing it needs to be done as root as it's suid). Any ideas? Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From dunc at rcpt.to Sat Jan 29 18:10:33 2000 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:19:00 2004 Subject: [tech] Sending mail hangs on mermaid and mussel In-Reply-To: <20000129172037.E19034@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 05:20:38PM +0800 References: <20000129172037.E19034@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000129181032.C10946@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Nick Bannon wrote on Sat January 29, at 17:20 +0800: > Sending mail hangs, with DNS timeouts ; > echo "test" | /usr/sbin/sendmail nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > It eventually works, after what seems to be a lot of DNS > timeouts... Manually looking up the names seems fine. Check out > mermaid:/tmp/sendmail.log for an strace (stracing it needs to be done > as root as it's suid). > > Any ideas? socket(PF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 4 connect(4, {sin_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr("130.95.13.9")}}, 16) = 0 send(4, "\221\214\1\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\00218\00242\00226\003172\7"..., 43, 0) = 43 Its trying to reverse lookup 172.26.24..18 for some reason. I have no idea why its doing this. ,dunc -- Duncan Sargeant "First, never insult the giant purple iguanas in the corner, they are assholes with no sense of humor. Second, don't touch the red button, if you do we are all as good as dead. Welcome aboard, I am sure you will enjoy your stay." - G:ML From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Jan 29 18:26:02 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:19:00 2004 Subject: [tech] Sending mail hangs on mermaid and mussel In-Reply-To: <20000129181032.C10946@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Duncan Sargeant on Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 06:10:33PM +0800 References: <20000129172037.E19034@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000129181032.C10946@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000129182601.G19034@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 06:10:33PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > Its trying to reverse lookup 172.26.24..18 for some reason. Ah, must be its WAIX IP. I've added 172.26.42.17 mermaid.waix.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au to it's /etc/hosts and it's working... I'll do the same for mussel, but I'd like to know _why_ it's need it now... Are they binding to the wrong interface? > I have no idea why its doing this. Grahame says it's only been doing that since this morning or so... Anyone make relevant changes? Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From dunc at rcpt.to Sat Jan 29 18:26:12 2000 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:19:00 2004 Subject: [tech] Sending mail hangs on mermaid and mussel In-Reply-To: <20000129181032.C10946@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc@rcpt.to on Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 06:10:33PM +0800 References: <20000129172037.E19034@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000129181032.C10946@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000129182612.E10946@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> To tech@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote on Sat January 29, at 18:10 +0800: > Nick Bannon wrote on Sat January 29, at 17:20 +0800: > > Sending mail hangs, with DNS timeouts ; > > echo "test" | /usr/sbin/sendmail nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > Its trying to reverse lookup 172.26.24..18 for some reason. > > I have no idea why its doing this. But who the fuck cares anyway?!? This is sendmail we're talking about here! added this to /etc/hosts: 172.26.42.18 mussel.waix.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au mussel.waix and sendmail is all gay once again. ,dunc -- Duncan Sargeant "First, never insult the giant purple iguanas in the corner, they are assholes with no sense of humor. Second, don't touch the red button, if you do we are all as good as dead. Welcome aboard, I am sure you will enjoy your stay." - G:ML From root at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 31 01:30:16 2000 From: root at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (The Operator) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:19:00 2004 Subject: [tech] User Disk Space Usage Message-ID: <200001301730.BAA29926@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> mp3pp is using 290278K worth of space in /services/mp3pp. unisfa is using 13706K worth of space in /home/other/unisfa. From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jan 31 11:36:47 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:19:00 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Mermaid & NT In-Reply-To: from Grand Poobah Maset at "Jan 31, 0 11:25:21 am" Message-ID: <200001310336.LAA32074@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> OK. An NT box is a good idea from a teaching new skills perspective. Security aside (that's what the 'router' is for), people do have to wrestle NT in the workplace. Many sites "trust" NT more than 9x and 2000's still betaware, last I heard so its definately something worth getting a grounding in. Incorporating NT and SAMBA into a UNIX network is a really good thing to get a handle on. Linux and Samba are like gaffa tape and blue-tac in the real world. If you can drive both, you should be able to save yourself a lot of heartache when NT starts to get flaky on you. I think that we should get organised & get the NFS server and NIS sorted first, then install NT on Malki, look at policies (lock out stuff we don't want gumbies running), set the motherboard to NOT boot from floppy, and put a BIOS password on it & then get Samba happening. Samba and IRIX work quite nicely together. It may prove prudent to have something else doing Samba and Netatalk & only have select filesystems exported to that machine, though locking might be Fun(TM). Anyway... lets get a game plan happening. I'll come in Friday, hopefully with a working Erwin (which I have), and we can reinstall Azure with the 2GB Hawk, etc. Something >1GB for Scarlet would be most handy... anyone in committee know what the stare of play WRT disk purchases is..? Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/