From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Apr 1 13:09:53 2001 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:37 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [ucc] Mussel In-Reply-To: ; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 05:26:47PM +0800 References: <20010331172021.A441729@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010401130953.B502866@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 05:26:47PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > I know, it sucks. I emailed tech in the hope that someone can suggest a > more stable way to run it. Just rebooted mssel now, should be working. I'll install FreeBSD tommorow. - Grahame -- A royalty free non-exclusive license is granted to do whatever the heck you want with this email. From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Apr 1 13:12:06 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:39 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [ucc] Mussel In-Reply-To: <20010401130953.B502866@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from grahame@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 01:09:53PM +0800 References: <20010331172021.A441729@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010401130953.B502866@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010401131206.A503569@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 01:09:53PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > I'll install FreeBSD tommorow. Or not. Though it would still be good to have a [...]BSD box around. -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From barnes-ucc at ehlo.rcpt.to Sun Apr 1 13:25:17 2001 From: barnes-ucc at ehlo.rcpt.to (Barnes) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:40 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [ucc] Mussel In-Reply-To: <20010401131206.A503569@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from devenish@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 01:12:06PM +0800 References: <20010331172021.A441729@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010401130953.B502866@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010401131206.A503569@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010401152517.A29822@ehlo.rcpt.to> On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 01:12:06PM +0800, James Devenish wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 01:09:53PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > I'll install FreeBSD tommorow. > > Or not. Though it would still be good to have a [...]BSD box around. Debian GNU/BSD? Barnes From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Apr 2 17:25:20 2001 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:40 2004 Subject: [tech] fans in one of the racks In-Reply-To: <20010331145716.A433023@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 02:57:16PM +0800 References: <20010331145716.A433023@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010402172520.G4224@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle > A while ago Jean-Paul Blaquiere tapped: > the fans in the rack nearest the door (in the machine room) are making funny > noises. One is having difficulty turning. these are teh ones in the black > box at the top of the rack labelled 'power distribution unit'. > i'll have a closer look and find out whether suitable replacements exist. Yes, I know... It is a non trivial replacement as I have some idea what is connected to the other side of the black box.... Please do not turn off unless there are friendly wheel members about to shut machines down first. It is on my to do list. As it does not seem to be causeing that much of a problem it is on one of my less urgest to do lists. See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Apr 6 13:02:30 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:40 2004 Subject: [tech] UCC Zones Message-ID: I've moved UCC to use zonemake.py There don't seem to be any problems now, all the zones loaded correctly (well after correcting a few typos). If anybody notices anything weird relating to DNS, please email me about ti with details. I'll add the 172.26.42.in-addr.arpa domain later today. -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Apr 8 11:31:42 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:40 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] zonefile In-Reply-To: ; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 11:17:40AM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010408113142.J326963@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 11:17:40AM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > Home was pointing to morowng. Fixed it in ucc.machines. ..and nis, backup and loghost. This caused azure not to bind to NIS, not to mount /home and our coke logs to get sent to bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au . ::-) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Apr 8 17:21:50 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:41 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] telnet mermaid In-Reply-To: ; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 04:18:11PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010408172150.K326963@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 04:18:11PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > telnet mermaid on port 22 currently forwards the connection to morwong, as > though it's through the charged tunnel ... anybody know how to fix this? dispense can be called as a coke server (coke+door+cokebank+authentication), a (charged) telnet server or both simultaneously. If it's both, and it's running as a standalone daemon started at boot, then it binds to the telnet port. (before inetd gets a lookin, I guess) So - I've made it start as a standalone coke server (it was "standalone both", and left the inetd settings as they were - port 23 (telnet) goes to in.telnetd, port 222 (telnat) goes to "dispense telnet". This is the desired setup - the previous one would only seem to work if inetd was started first. mooneye will forward connections to its telnet port to mermaid's telnat port. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Apr 11 15:22:32 2001 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma ) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:41 2004 Subject: [tech] UniSFA committee mail alias Message-ID: The UniSFA committee mail alias has been changed so that all address in it point to either UCC email address or tartarus email addresses. This is just a notification. Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Apr 12 15:42:26 2001 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:41 2004 Subject: [tech] ANU's AP/1000 and friends Message-ID: <20010412154226.C212051@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Is it me, or does http://cap.anu.edu.au/cap/projects/linux/ap10005.jpg appear to have a Starfish in it? D. -- I don't get mad.... I get stabby. From maset at ii.net Mon Apr 16 19:55:04 2001 From: maset at ii.net (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:41 2004 Subject: [tech] Mail charging bot Message-ID: Anyone know where the source/script/program/docs reside? Cheers, Anil From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Apr 16 20:04:35 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:41 2004 Subject: [tech] Mail charging bot In-Reply-To: ; from maset@ii.net on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 07:55:04PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010416200435.F326963@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 07:55:04PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > Anyone know where the source/script/program/docs reside? ~coke/mail/ They're run during log rotation, from mooneye:/etc/cron.daily/sysklogd . Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 17 13:05:25 2001 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma ) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:42 2004 Subject: [tech] unisfa-committee list Message-ID: OK, is there any feasible way of charging for unisfa-committe to the unisfa account under the current alias method? If it were changed back to the old way using the .forward file in ~unisfa it would be quite easy. Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Apr 18 00:08:37 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:42 2004 Subject: [tech] unisfa-committee list In-Reply-To: ; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 01:05:25PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010418000837.H326963@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 01:05:25PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > OK, is there any feasible way of charging for unisfa-committe to the > unisfa account under the current alias method? If it were changed back to > the old way using the .forward file in ~unisfa it would be quite easy. Changing it to a .forward is perfectly reasonable - but what does need testing is whether that would mean mail to all people@ucc on unisfa-committee gets charged to unisfa (or to both unisfa and that person), which wouldn't be good. I've got a nasty feeling we've got a similar problem now: mooneye: ~coke/mail#grep unisfa fwds.pl 'jaws@tartarus.uwa.edu.au' => 'unisfa', 'sqbr@tartarus.uwa.edu.au' => 'unisfa', 'arutkay@tartarus.uwa.edu.au' => 'unisfa', Not to mention: mooneye: ~coke/mail#grep commi fwds.pl 'committee@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au' => 'camp', ie: mail to committee@ucc currently looks as if it would be charged to the camp user, due to ~camp/.forward pointing to committee. ::-/ Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Apr 18 00:29:50 2001 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:42 2004 Subject: [tech] unisfa-committee list In-Reply-To: <20010418000837.H326963@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 12:08:37AM +0800 References: <20010418000837.H326963@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010418002950.A237494@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Apr 18, Nick Bannon illuminated with a virtual pen : > ie: mail to committee@ucc currently looks as if it would be charged to > the camp user, due to ~camp/.forward pointing to committee. ::-/ > coool we have a camp user. Does Rod know about this *grin* what is the purpose of this alias? /Jp... -- Jean-Paul Blaqui?re || Avatar of Computational japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy http://japester.ucc.asn.au || IHTFP Democracy is based on the premise that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something? -- Lazarus Long From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Apr 18 03:04:59 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:42 2004 Subject: [tech] unisfa-committee list In-Reply-To: <20010418002950.A237494@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Jean-Paul Blaquiere wrote: > > On Apr 18, Nick Bannon illuminated with a virtual pen : > > > ie: mail to committee@ucc currently looks as if it would be charged to > > the camp user, due to ~camp/.forward pointing to committee. ::-/ > > > coool we have a camp user. Does Rod know about this *grin* > > what is the purpose of this alias? It was set up so that we could have camp.ucc.asn.au as the website for the UCC camp, which was held late last year (exact date unavailable due to the sleep deprived state of my brain). -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Apr 20 22:46:01 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:42 2004 Subject: [tech] /home is full again Message-ID: /home filled up again. It's back up to 73meg free, after I deleted some tarballs and some stuff in ~yakk. /home/du.sort.20010420 exists, with 437470 ./wheel/james/public-html 392037 ./ucc/devenish/webcam/archives 331628 ./wheel/djinn/X11R6.4 being the largest subdirectories. -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Apr 23 07:09:47 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:42 2004 Subject: [tech] mussel not doing NFS (always needs manual help after boot) Message-ID: <20010423070947.A113108@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hmmm, Was anybody active when mussel crashed? (I notice a few people, incl myself, were logged in.) I was just wondering, because the recurrent RPC or NFS problem hasn't been causing crashes, so this would appear to be something new. BTW. mussel always needs some intervention for NFS mounts. From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 02:16:49 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:43 2004 Subject: [tech] mussel Message-ID: I apt-get dist-upgraded it, quite a few packages (~200) wer upgraded. nothing major, apart from gnome 1.4 getting into testing, and the sendmail.cf file being regenerated (I don't know if ppl have been hacking it without going via the .mc file ..) -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 13:39:39 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:43 2004 Subject: [tech] decserver Message-ID: It's trying to moop off hydra, the logs only have Apr 24 13:28:50 hydra mopd[298]: 8:0:2b:11:8f:99 (1) Do you have SH1601ENG? (Yes) repeated. Anybody know what's wrong? -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 13:43:20 2001 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:43 2004 Subject: [tech] decserver In-Reply-To: ; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:39:39PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010424134320.G343791@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:39:39PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > It's trying to moop off hydra, the logs only have > Apr 24 13:28:50 hydra mopd[298]: 8:0:2b:11:8f:99 (1) Do you have SH1601ENG? (Yes) > > repeated. Anybody know what's wrong? Yeah - it wants that filename... does it exist somewhere that the mopd can see? tcpdump/snoop groks mop_download, so you should be able to watch what's going on. D. -- I don't get mad.... I get stabby. From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 14:18:46 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:43 2004 Subject: [tech] decserver In-Reply-To: <20010424134320.G343791@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, David Manchester wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:39:39PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > > It's trying to moop off hydra, the logs only have > > Apr 24 13:28:50 hydra mopd[298]: 8:0:2b:11:8f:99 (1) Do you have SH1601ENG? (Yes) > > > > repeated. Anybody know what's wrong? > > Yeah - it wants that filename... does it exist somewhere that > the mopd can see? > tcpdump/snoop groks mop_download, so you should be able > to watch what's going on. tcpdump -i eth3 mopdl gives 14:02:53.083044 8:0:2b:11:8f:99 ab:0:0:1:0:0 mopdl 60: 1800 083c 0102 0953 4831 3630 3145 4e47 0090 0101 0191 0102 d405 0191 0102 d405 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 14:02:53.083772 6f:0:0:0:0:0 8:0:2b:11:8f:99 mopdl 17: 0100 03 the tcpdump manpage notes that mopdl can't be parsed yet. But that looks very much like "Do you have SH1601ENG?" "Yes". hydra:/tftpboot/mop# ls -l SH1601ENG.SYS sh1601eng.sys lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Oct 3 2000 SH1601ENG.SYS -> sh1601eng.sys -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 580096 Oct 3 2000 sh1601eng.sys This problem has happened before, but it seemed to correct itself. >From the mopd manpage: Upon receiving a request, mopd checks if the requested file exists in /tftpboot/mop, the filename is normaly uppercase and with an extension of .SYS. If the filename isn't given, the ethernet address of the target is used as filename, e.g. 08002b09f4de.SYS and it might be a soft link to another file. *sigh* It just looks like the decserver can't understand a simple "yes" -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 14:35:30 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:43 2004 Subject: [tech] nautilus Message-ID: is munted. I turned it on and lots of applications had "Couldn't find "OTfoobar"" - I think that means opentransport got fscked over. I restarted it and now it won't even boot - error type 102, suggests starting without extensions, but that doesn't work :-( -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 15:08:34 2001 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:43 2004 Subject: [tech] nautilus In-Reply-To: ; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:35:30PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010424150834.H343791@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:35:30PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > is munted. I turned it on and lots of applications had "Couldn't find > "OTfoobar"" - I think that means opentransport got fscked over. I > restarted it and now it won't even boot - error type 102, suggests > starting without extensions, but that doesn't work :-( 102, or -102 ? What OS does Nautilus run these days? D. -- I don't get mad.... I get stabby. From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 15:15:57 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:44 2004 Subject: [tech] nautilus In-Reply-To: <20010424150834.H343791@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, David Manchester wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:35:30PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > > is munted. I turned it on and lots of applications had "Couldn't find > > "OTfoobar"" - I think that means opentransport got fscked over. I > > restarted it and now it won't even boot - error type 102, suggests > > starting without extensions, but that doesn't work :-( > > 102, or -102 ? > > What OS does Nautilus run these days? 102. MacOS 9.04 -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 15:33:51 2001 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:44 2004 Subject: [tech] nautilus In-Reply-To: ; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:15:57PM +0800 References: <20010424150834.H343791@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010424153351.I343791@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:15:57PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, David Manchester wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:35:30PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > > > is munted. I turned it on and lots of applications had "Couldn't find > > > "OTfoobar"" - I think that means opentransport got fscked over. I > > > restarted it and now it won't even boot - error type 102, suggests > > > starting without extensions, but that doesn't work :-( > > > > 102, or -102 ? > > > > What OS does Nautilus run these days? > > 102. MacOS 9.04 Groar. Over to Skippy or Shay on this one. I don't know of an err. no. 102 that would be appropriate - there's a "System is too old for this ROM", but that doesn't sound right. D. -- I don't get mad.... I get stabby. From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 17:25:33 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:44 2004 Subject: [tech] nautilus: fixed (hopefully) In-Reply-To: <20010424153351.I343791@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:33:51PM +0800 References: <20010424150834.H343791@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010424153351.I343791@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010424172533.A12475@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Wouldn't boot from CD, but would boot from floppy (but only when the ADB devices---mouse and keyboard---were unplugged). Some filesystem corrections performed, no love lost. Back to normal now. -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | Regards, | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Apr 24 23:44:54 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:44 2004 Subject: [tech] decserver In-Reply-To: ; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:39:39PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010424234454.R326963@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:39:39PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > It's trying to moop off hydra, the logs only have > Apr 24 13:28:50 hydra mopd[298]: 8:0:2b:11:8f:99 (1) Do you have SH1601ENG? (Yes) > > repeated. Anybody know what's wrong? Dodgy network, most likely. I believe it goes via a dodgy and recently-fiddled-with piece of coax, past morwong to the DEMPR, then a tranceiver to the switch. It has been much worse previously, but remember that a single lost frame will cause the boot to fail. If we installed the MOPd from the Tru64 layered products, we could simplify this to: decserver <-> morwong Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mtearle at tearle.com Wed Apr 25 00:57:55 2001 From: mtearle at tearle.com (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:44 2004 Subject: [tech] decserver In-Reply-To: <20010424234454.R326963@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Nick Bannon wrote: > > repeated. Anybody know what's wrong? > > Dodgy network, most likely. I believe it goes via a dodgy and > recently-fiddled-with piece of coax, past morwong to the DEMPR, then a > tranceiver to the switch. It has been much worse previously, but > remember that a single lost frame will cause the boot to fail. > The coax was touchy the other day, so it may just be worthwhile replacing it... Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mark@tearle.com "He who fights monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." -- Friedrich Nietzsche From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Apr 25 13:47:56 2001 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:44 2004 Subject: [tech] decserver In-Reply-To: ; from mtearle@tearle.com on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:57:55AM +0800 References: <20010424234454.R326963@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010425134756.K189910@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle > A while ago Mark Tearle tapped: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Nick Bannon wrote: > > > > repeated. Anybody know what's wrong? > > > > Dodgy network, most likely. I believe it goes via a dodgy and > > recently-fiddled-with piece of coax, past morwong to the DEMPR, then a > > tranceiver to the switch. It has been much worse previously, but > > remember that a single lost frame will cause the boot to fail. > > > The coax was touchy the other day, so it may just be worthwhile replacing > it... Yes, but I don't think it will fix your problem. I have come across this problem before but can't remember how I fixed it. Make sure that MOPD is running in diagnostics mode - it is far more useful that way. Also check file permissions - yes I know that nothing has changed all that much but it would not hurt to check.... See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Apr 25 17:37:34 2001 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:45 2004 Subject: [tech] Pig of a machine (piggery) Message-ID: <20010425173734.L189910@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle Been playing with the 164SX. Was not able to install SRM. Will try again tomorrow after work... I am not giving up that easily. I just wish I could remember what I did to mine to make mine loose AlphaBios. I am sure it was just stick the CDROM in the drive and let it rip. See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Apr 25 22:23:28 2001 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:45 2004 Subject: [tech] Dec server action Message-ID: <20010425222328.N189910@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle Have had a fiddle with mop on hydra. Well, stopped the daemon, I ran it with debug options. It seemed to work. Have restarted it as a daemon. If there are any other problems - get in contact with me! :) See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Apr 26 20:14:14 2001 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:45 2004 Subject: [tech] Piggery Message-ID: <20010426201414.Q189910@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle Have installed SRM on piggery. Have put my DE450 in Piggery so DU will look at it and so it can be mop booted. Have got Tek's card to be returned to him at the first possibly time. Will be back tomorrow to see how people are cleaning up. See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From simon.fryer at ccmail.wpcorp.com.au Fri Apr 27 14:06:38 2001 From: simon.fryer at ccmail.wpcorp.com.au (simon.fryer@ccmail.wpcorp.com.au) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:45 2004 Subject: [tech] apologies Message-ID: <0104279883.AA988351576@ccmail.wpcorp.com.au> Bingle It looks like I am not going to be able to make it to the machine room reshuffle this evening. My apologies for this. Also, one point. I have a 2GB SCSI drive hanging off the racked sun just inside the machine room door. While I don't mind anyone unplugging it so that it doesn't get trodden on, I would prefer it if it is kept in a safe location. Thanks. Simon. From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Apr 27 18:16:39 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:45 2004 Subject: [tech] Nautilus fixed(?) again(?) Message-ID: <20010427181639.A323495@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hmm, it got weird again. I rebuilt the directory files and deleted the Desktop files (since there were problems with these too). I was tempted to delete config files, but it seems to be working as-is. In case it means something to someone, Anarchie Pro 3.5 won't run (quits after the splash screen with an error -1856) however versions badged 'Interarchy' do work. -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | Fingers crossed, | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Apr 27 22:55:53 2001 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma ) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:45 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine room Message-ID: The network now has its own rack. This consists of the Krone patch panel, the 10mb hub, the 10mb switch, the AGS+, hydra, a decserver with a breakout cable and munt which should be relocated to the rack with the suns. The decserver is not booting at the moment: ethernet is connected via a tranceiver to the machine room 100mbit switch (eth2 on hydra). Not even sending a request. Once this is up we can use it as a console for the AGS+, hydra and anything else that we may put in there In the machine room rack is mooneye, mussel and mermaid. An attempt was made to upgrade mooneye to a Celery 300 using the other console box mobo and CPU. That failed and James thankfully put mooneye back together. Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Apr 28 08:04:11 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:46 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine room In-Reply-To: ; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 10:55:53PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010428080411.A5100@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 10:55:53PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > In the machine room rack is mooneye, mussel and mermaid. An attempt was > made to upgrade mooneye to a Celery 300 using the other console box mobo > and CPU. That failed and James thankfully put mooneye back together. Can someone put mussel back together please (in terms of NIS & NFS). From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Apr 28 10:42:18 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:46 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine room: broken things In-Reply-To: <20010428080411.A5100@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from devenish@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 08:04:11AM +0800 References: <20010428080411.A5100@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010428104218.A5445@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 08:04:11AM +0800, James Devenish wrote: > Can someone put mussel back together please (in terms of NIS & NFS). Additionally, AppleTalk routing seems to be down. From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Apr 28 15:15:52 2001 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:46 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine room In-Reply-To: <20010428080411.A5100@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: /home is mounted and NIS has been restarted -----Original Message----- From: tech-admin@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-admin@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au]On Behalf Of James Devenish Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2001 8:04 To: tech@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Subject: Re: [tech] Machine room On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 10:55:53PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > In the machine room rack is mooneye, mussel and mermaid. An attempt was > made to upgrade mooneye to a Celery 300 using the other console box mobo > and CPU. That failed and James thankfully put mooneye back together. Can someone put mussel back together please (in terms of NIS & NFS). From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Apr 28 15:50:12 2001 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma ) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:46 2004 Subject: [tech] Coke machine Message-ID: How is the coke machine meant to be connected to mermaid? There is a cable going from patch panel port 21 (what is written on the connection from the coke machine) but no-one here knows what port to put it into. Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Apr 28 17:33:09 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:46 2004 Subject: [tech] Coke machine In-Reply-To: ; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:50:12PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010428173308.C2033@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:50:12PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > How is the coke machine meant to be connected to mermaid? There is a > cable going from patch panel port 21 (what is written on the connection > from the coke machine) but no-one here knows what port to put it into. What port on mermaid? /dev/ttyS3 - it might be labeled, but failing that, there's only four possibilities... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Apr 28 17:35:39 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:47 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine room In-Reply-To: ; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:15:52PM +0800 References: <20010428080411.A5100@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010428173539.D2033@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:15:52PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > /home is mounted and NIS has been restarted NIS restarted on morwong that is? Was that the only change? I had a quick poke with mussel but restarting it didn't fix it. mermaid and mooneye were both OK, so it seemed like a mussel problem... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Apr 28 17:50:08 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:47 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine room In-Reply-To: <20010428173539.D2033@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Nick Bannon wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:15:52PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > > /home is mounted and NIS has been restarted > > NIS restarted on morwong that is? Was that the only change? I had a > quick poke with mussel but restarting it didn't fix it. mermaid and > mooneye were both OK, so it seemed like a mussel problem... At a guess mussel doesn't mount NFS mounts automatically. -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Apr 28 18:05:59 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:47 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine room In-Reply-To: ; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 05:50:08PM +0800 References: <20010428173539.D2033@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010428180559.E2033@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 05:50:08PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > At a guess mussel doesn't mount NFS mounts automatically. This is true - it was a problem in a previous incarnation of mermaid, too, but I don't know how it was fixed. It's not something I've ever heard of on a normal Debian install, just these ones. ::-) Today, though, there was also another problem - mussel wouldn't bind to NIS. What fixed it, exactly? Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Apr 28 19:37:55 2001 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma ) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:47 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine room In-Reply-To: <20010428180559.E2033@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: I kill ypbind then restarted it. That fixed NIS. Probably because mussel was started before the network was entirely working. On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Nick Bannon wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 05:50:08PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > > At a guess mussel doesn't mount NFS mounts automatically. > > This is true - it was a problem in a previous incarnation of mermaid, > too, but I don't know how it was fixed. It's not something I've ever > heard of on a normal Debian install, just these ones. ::-) > > Today, though, there was also another problem - mussel wouldn't bind to > NIS. What fixed it, exactly? > > Nick. > > -- > Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because > nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal > Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From dichro-evo at rcpt.to Sun Apr 29 10:14:49 2001 From: dichro-evo at rcpt.to (Mikolaj J. Habryn) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:47 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine room In-Reply-To: <20010428180559.E2033@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20010428173539.D2033@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010428180559.E2033@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <988510489.1264.0.camel@foo> On 28 Apr 2001 18:05:59 +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > This is true - it was a problem in a previous incarnation of mermaid, > too, but I don't know how it was fixed. It's not something I've ever > heard of on a normal Debian install, just these ones. ::-) It doesn't mount the first NFS mount, or it fails on all of them? m. From james at rcpt.to Sun Apr 29 22:37:28 2001 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:48 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. Message-ID: <20010429223728.B11286@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Idea: Smoke Detector connected to a standard Serial port (or, for that matter, a multi port blackbox like door). Daemon monitors port(s) and waits for a signal(s). On alarm, raises alert by some means, possibly smssend, possibly email (to several email addresses, at least one of which should probably be remote!), possibly by picking up a modem on a different port and sending SMS SOS! How: The example smoke detector I have looked at has a 9 volt battery. I havent taken it fully apart, but my gues is that I could wire the contacts going to the siren in parallel to GND (pin 5 on a 9 pin) and RxD (pin 2 on a 9 pin), and poll until something happens. So, can anyone tell me if this would work? What about multiple smoke detectors in parallel with one way diodes so one going off wont start the sirens on all of them/drain the power from the battery too much? Is 9 volts enough for a signal (I think it is, but others know more than I on this)? Is a simple link to two pins enough? Thinking about it, you can easily test the alert system by pressing the button on the smoke detector to raise voltage! Shame about the noise though... James -- James Bromberger www.rcpt.to/~james * * C u in Bordeaux - 1st Debian Conference, July 2001 * * Remainder moved to http://www.rcpt.to/~james/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20010429/fe8e5770/attachment.pgp From mtearle at tearle.com Mon Apr 30 11:25:06 2001 From: mtearle at tearle.com (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:48 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: <20010429223728.B11286@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, James Bromberger wrote: > Idea: > > Smoke Detector connected to a standard Serial port (or, for that > matter, a multi port blackbox like door). Daemon monitors port(s) and waits > for a signal(s). On alarm, raises alert by some means, possibly smssend, > possibly email (to several email addresses, at least one of which > should probably be remote!), possibly by picking up a modem on a different > port and sending SMS SOS! > There was a project in Silicon Chip a few years ago to connect multiple smoke dectectors to some kind of monitoring board. Can I ask what application you are going to be using your evil idea in? Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mark@tearle.com "He who fights monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." -- Friedrich Nietzsche From james at rcpt.to Mon Apr 30 13:34:09 2001 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:49 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: ; from mtearle@tearle.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:25:06AM +0800 References: <20010429223728.B11286@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010430133409.A14575@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:25:06AM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: > > Smoke Detector connected to a standard Serial port (or, for that > > matter, a multi port blackbox like door). Daemon monitors port(s) and waits > > for a signal(s). On alarm, raises alert by some means, possibly smssend, > > possibly email (to several email addresses, at least one of which > > should probably be remote!), possibly by picking up a modem on a different > > port and sending SMS SOS! > > There was a project in Silicon Chip a few years ago to connect multiple > smoke dectectors to some kind of monitoring board. Can I ask > what application you are going to be using your evil idea in? Well, pretty much as above. Have a page to my mobile when smoke is detected. I have a Perl script for playing with the serial port as a daemon mostly finshed for doing this kind of thing... James -- James Bromberger www.rcpt.to/~james * * C u in Bordeaux - 1st Debian Conference, July 2001 * * Remainder moved to http://www.rcpt.to/~james/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20010430/5fba49c4/attachment.pgp From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Apr 30 13:37:04 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:49 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: <20010430133409.A14575@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, James Bromberger wrote: > Well, pretty much as above. Have a page to my mobile when smoke is detected. > I have a Perl script for playing with the serial port as a daemon mostly > finshed for doing this kind of thing... Will it dispense halon as well? -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From james at rcpt.to Mon Apr 30 15:11:47 2001 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:50 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: ; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:37:04PM +0800 References: <20010430133409.A14575@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010430151147.A15264@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:37:04PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, James Bromberger wrote: > > Well, pretty much as above. Have a page to my mobile when smoke > > is detected. > > I have a Perl script for playing with the serial port as a daemon mostly > > finshed for doing this kind of thing... > > Will it dispense halon as well? Inergen. Halon hasn't been used for years since it has bad effects on humans. No, actually, I wont be doing anything other than alerting people to the fact, and giving them the option of calling the fire brigade or driving three minutes to the office to investigate. -- James Bromberger www.rcpt.to/~james * * C u in Bordeaux - 1st Debian Conference, July 2001 * * Remainder moved to http://www.rcpt.to/~james/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On alarm, raises alert by some means, possibly smssend, > > > possibly email (to several email addresses, at least one of which > > > should probably be remote!), possibly by picking up a modem on a different > > > port and sending SMS SOS! If your smoke detector doesn't speak RS232, you might want to use your parallel port instead, or build a circuit to output a continues stream of bytes on your serial line if the smoke detector output is high. I don't know how PC's deal with non-RS232 input. ,dunc From dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Apr 30 15:22:55 2001 From: dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Leighton Haynes) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:50 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: <20010430151645.L32354@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc-mail-13155BE@rcpt.to on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:16:49PM +0800 References: <20010429223728.B11286@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010430133409.A14575@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010430151645.L32354@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010430152255.A11170@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:16:49PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > James Bromberger wrote on Mon April 30, at 13:34 +0800: > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:25:06AM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: > > > > Smoke Detector connected to a standard Serial port (or, for that > > > > matter, a multi port blackbox like door). Daemon monitors port(s) and waits > > > > for a signal(s). On alarm, raises alert by some means, possibly smssend, > > > > possibly email (to several email addresses, at least one of which > > > > should probably be remote!), possibly by picking up a modem on a different > > > > port and sending SMS SOS! > > If your smoke detector doesn't speak RS232, you might want to use your > parallel port instead, or build a circuit to output a continues stream > of bytes on your serial line if the smoke detector output is high. I > don't know how PC's deal with non-RS232 input. Most UPSes I've played with don't actually talk RS232 - they just pull pins high or low as they feel fit ;) It seems to work ok. Leighton... -- Part-time student. Full-time Programmer. Seeking the 36 hour day and the 10 hour working week. (08) 9272 9058 (Home - like I'm ever there) From mtearle at tearle.com Mon Apr 30 16:26:15 2001 From: mtearle at tearle.com (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:50 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: <20010430151147.A15264@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, James Bromberger wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:37:04PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, James Bromberger wrote: > > > Well, pretty much as above. Have a page to my mobile when smoke > > > is detected. > > > I have a Perl script for playing with the serial port as a daemon mostly > > > finshed for doing this kind of thing... > > > > Will it dispense halon as well? > > Inergen. Halon hasn't been used for years since it has bad effects on humans. > > No, actually, I wont be doing anything other than alerting people to the > fact, and giving them the option of calling the fire brigade or driving > three minutes to the office to investigate. Of course, if it's the actual computer that you are using to page you that's caught on fire then .... Have you investigated doing the job properly and having a proper fire alarm system fitted? Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mark@tearle.com "He who fights monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." -- Friedrich Nietzsche From comrade at loki.rcpt.to Mon Apr 30 18:19:49 2001 From: comrade at loki.rcpt.to (comrade@loki.rcpt.to) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:50 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: <20010430151147.A15264@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from james@rcpt.to on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:11:47PM +0800 References: <20010430133409.A14575@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010430151147.A15264@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010430201949.A27995@obverse.com.au> > > Will it dispense halon as well? > > Inergen. Halon hasn't been used for years since it has bad effects on humans. No worse than inergen. Halon gas was banned due to its' impact on the ozone layer. The same issues about non-breathable atmospheres and deployment shockwaves exist for both. Officially, Inergen (IG-541) maintains a minimally breathable atmosphere during deployment, but I wouldn't trust it. Additionally, speed of deployment of the gases (15 seconds total?) means that infeasibly high velocities are sometimes required in large machine rooms, potentially leading to high enough discharge velocities to knock staff out during the evacuation phase. Peter From james at rcpt.to Mon Apr 30 18:21:05 2001 From: james at rcpt.to (James Bromberger) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:51 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: ; from mtearle@tearle.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 04:26:15PM +0800 References: <20010430151147.A15264@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010430182105.A1629@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 04:26:15PM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: > Of course, if it's the actual computer that you are using to page you > that's caught on fire then .... Granted. > Have you investigated doing the job properly and having a proper fire alarm > system fitted? Where's the fun in that? ;) OK, yes, a proper file alarm will ring the fire brigade, yes. But regardless of other systems, I also want to know ASAP. +------- DTR \ / \ r2 / | +-------- DTC r1 | --------/\/\/----(<) d1 - | . +-------- GND r2 about 10 ohms. r1 enough to drop the differential between siren and GND to just on 0 mA. Optionally, between siren and r1, place a one way diode. In parrallel, splice in betwene the one way diode and r1 yet another smoke detector. Is this right? You can then have multiple alarms, and any one triggered will raise the alarm. What about overloading when multiple alarms signal? *shrug* -- James Bromberger www.rcpt.to/~james * * C u in Bordeaux - 1st Debian Conference, July 2001 * * Remainder moved to http://www.rcpt.to/~james/james/sig.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(or something like that, if my digital logic memory serves me right) /jp... -- Jean-Paul Blaqui?re || Avatar of Computational japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy http://japester.ucc.asn.au || IHTFP Democracy is based on the premise that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something? -- Lazarus Long From vyxn at vyxn.net Mon Apr 30 19:24:12 2001 From: vyxn at vyxn.net (Balmik Soin) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:51 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: <20010430185607.B1131@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Jean-Paul Blaquiere wrote: > (or something like that, if my digital logic memory serves me right) You have digital logic memory ? how advanced! :) and here was i thinking that neurons were the only way to go... *jealous* Balmik. -=[be careful what you wish for, it may come true]=- From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Apr 30 19:55:17 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:52 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: morwong In-Reply-To: <20010325201752.A1987@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 08:17:52PM +0800 References: <20010325201752.A1987@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010430195517.F2399@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 08:17:52PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > morwong: ~>uptime # 8:17PM > 20:17 up 33 mins, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.08, 0.07 morwong: ~>uptime # 7:52PM 19:52 up 2:40, 17 users, load average: 0.02, 0.17, 0.14 Well, it got to about 5 weeks... Anyone know why it rebooted this time? Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Apr 30 19:59:14 2001 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:52 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: morwong In-Reply-To: <20010430195517.F2399@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Nick Bannon wrote: > On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 08:17:52PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > > morwong: ~>uptime # 8:17PM > > 20:17 up 33 mins, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.08, 0.07 > > morwong: ~>uptime # 7:52PM > 19:52 up 2:40, 17 users, load average: 0.02, 0.17, 0.14 > > Well, it got to about 5 weeks... Anyone know why it rebooted this > time? Yes. I typed killall -HUP as root :-(. On the plus side, most machines flipped over to using mooneye for NIS. -- "There's nobody getting rich | TRS-80 UCC Treasurer writing software that I | Email: trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au know of" - Bill Gates, 1980 | Web: http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Apr 30 22:24:52 2001 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:52 2004 Subject: [tech] Serial Port Games: Smoke Detectors. In-Reply-To: <20010430201949.A27995@obverse.com.au>; from comrade@loki.rcpt.to on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:19:49PM +1000 References: <20010430133409.A14575@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010430151147.A15264@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010430201949.A27995@obverse.com.au> Message-ID: <20010430222451.A4112@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle > A while ago comrade@loki.rcpt.to tapped: > > > Will it dispense halon as well? > > > > Inergen. Halon hasn't been used for years since it has bad effects on humans. > > No worse than inergen. Halon gas was banned due to its' impact on the > ozone layer. The same issues about non-breathable atmospheres and deployment > shockwaves exist for both. Officially, Inergen (IG-541) maintains a > minimally breathable atmosphere during deployment, but I wouldn't trust > it. Additionally, speed of deployment of the gases (15 seconds total?) > means that infeasibly high velocities are sometimes required in large > machine rooms, potentially leading to high enough discharge velocities > to knock staff out during the evacuation phase. I have a halon system at work. We apparently have some very special permission to use it as well. It has gone off once - and apparently it was very expensive to replace all the halon... Bummer. The machine room has an audiable alarm to get people out of the halon environment just before the halon is dumped... See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh