From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu May 1 08:59:08 2003 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:05 2004 Subject: [tech] Morwong License Message-ID: <20030501005908.GA27405@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hiya, Has the license on morwong expired? I tried logging in today and got the too many users already logged on message :( Andrew -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu May 1 11:26:05 2003 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:06 2004 Subject: [tech] Morwong License In-Reply-To: <20030501005908.GA27405@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 2003, Andrew Bailey wrote: > Has the license on morwong expired? I tried logging in today and got the > too many users already logged on message :( Yes it has. I renewed it a few weeks back, but due to some wackyness (lots of multiple licenses) the shell script failed to load the license. I'm currently going through and rationalising the licence database, but logins are working again. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC President http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From clurk at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri May 2 10:28:53 2003 From: clurk at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Brinley Ang) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:07 2004 Subject: [tech] re: Win2k cd Message-ID: <1051842533.4719.3.camel@CSSE2128> Hello all, I'm looking to borrow a Win2k cd for a few days. Can anybody help me out? Regards Brinley From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri May 2 15:49:03 2003 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:07 2004 Subject: [tech] UCC uplink network upgrade (Was Re: [ucc] Minutes 29/4/2003) In-Reply-To: <20030429151346.GI364676@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030429151346.GI364676@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030502074903.GI497132@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:13:46PM +0800, Matt Johnston wrote: > Minutes 29/04/2003 [...] > - Dave Cake says network upgrade is soon, we'll need to pay for switch Sounds good, how is the new network going to look at this stage? Looks like GigE has really started to hit the mainstream now. Assuming there's at least two gigabit ports in the new switch (UCS uplink plus UCC uplink), 1000Base-SX is probably what we should use over a MM fibre from Cameron Hall to the comms cupboard in question. USD$25-USD$50 for a new Cisco 1000Base-SX GBIC for a Catalyst 4000 or 5000 series: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020981634 ...or USD$80 (1000Base-SX) and USD$175 (1000Base-LX) from a reseller: Catalyst 5000 1000Base-SX MM GBIC (Cisco Brand Factory Sealed Retail Box) WS-G5484 Retail Box +$ 80 GBIC 1000Base-LX Module (Cisco Brand Factory Sealed Retail Box) WS-G5486 Retail Box $ 175 http://www.coast2coastaz.com/cisco/cisco.htm USD$51 for a 1000BaseSX card that could go straight into hydra (or equivalent): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3412222364 New cheap gigabit unmanaged switches from manufacturers like Hawking and Linksys. USD$100-USD$170 for 4, 5 or 8 ports ; http://www.hawkingtech.com/hotprods.php http://www.pricescan.com/itemsx/item324571.asp 1000BaseT copper gigabit ethernet interfaces coming as standard equipment in machines left, right and centre... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick-sig@rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal GNU/Linux | http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri May 2 15:58:39 2003 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:07 2004 Subject: [tech] UCC uplink network upgrade (Was Re: [ucc] Minutes 29/4/2003) In-Reply-To: <20030429151346.GI364676@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030429151346.GI364676@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030502074903.GI497132@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:13:46PM +0800, Matt Johnston wrote: > Minutes 29/04/2003 [...] > - Dave Cake says network upgrade is soon, we'll need to pay for switch Sounds good, how is the new network going to look at this stage? Looks like GigE has really started to hit the mainstream now. Assuming there's at least two gigabit ports in the new switch (UCS uplink plus UCC uplink), 1000Base-SX is probably what we should use over a MM fibre from Cameron Hall to the comms cupboard in question. USD$25-USD$50 for a new Cisco 1000Base-SX GBIC for a Catalyst 4000 or 5000 series: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020981634 ...or USD$80 (1000Base-SX) and USD$175 (1000Base-LX) from a reseller: Catalyst 5000 1000Base-SX MM GBIC (Cisco Brand Factory Sealed Retail Box) WS-G5484 Retail Box +$ 80 GBIC 1000Base-LX Module (Cisco Brand Factory Sealed Retail Box) WS-G5486 Retail Box $ 175 http://www.coast2coastaz.com/cisco/cisco.htm USD$51 for a 1000BaseSX card that could go straight into hydra (or equivalent): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3412222364 New cheap gigabit unmanaged switches from manufacturers like Hawking and Linksys. USD$100-USD$170 for 4, 5 or 8 ports ; http://www.hawkingtech.com/hotprods.php http://www.pricescan.com/itemsx/item324571.asp 1000BaseT copper gigabit ethernet interfaces coming as standard equipment in machines left, right and centre... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick-sig@rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal GNU/Linux | http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri May 2 16:06:19 2003 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:07 2004 Subject: [tech] UCC uplink network upgrade (Was Re: [ucc] Minutes 29/4/2003) In-Reply-To: <20030429151346.GI364676@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030429151346.GI364676@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030502074903.GI497132@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:13:46PM +0800, Matt Johnston wrote: > Minutes 29/04/2003 [...] > - Dave Cake says network upgrade is soon, we'll need to pay for switch Sounds good, how is the new network going to look at this stage? Looks like GigE has really started to hit the mainstream now. Assuming there's at least two gigabit ports in the new switch (UCS uplink plus UCC uplink), 1000Base-SX is probably what we should use over a MM fibre from Cameron Hall to the comms cupboard in question. USD$25-USD$50 for a new Cisco 1000Base-SX GBIC for a Catalyst 4000 or 5000 series: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3020981634 ...or USD$80 (1000Base-SX) and USD$175 (1000Base-LX) from a reseller: Catalyst 5000 1000Base-SX MM GBIC (Cisco Brand Factory Sealed Retail Box) WS-G5484 Retail Box +$ 80 GBIC 1000Base-LX Module (Cisco Brand Factory Sealed Retail Box) WS-G5486 Retail Box $ 175 http://www.coast2coastaz.com/cisco/cisco.htm USD$51 for a 1000BaseSX card that could go straight into hydra (or equivalent): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3412222364 New cheap gigabit unmanaged switches from manufacturers like Hawking and Linksys. USD$100-USD$170 for 4, 5 or 8 ports ; http://www.hawkingtech.com/hotprods.php http://www.pricescan.com/itemsx/item324571.asp 1000BaseT copper gigabit ethernet interfaces coming as standard equipment in machines left, right and centre... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick-sig@rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal GNU/Linux | http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri May 2 16:14:44 2003 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:07 2004 Subject: [tech] Odd NIS outage Message-ID: <20030502081444.GJ497132@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> We just had a strange NIS problem around 4pm. "id" was hanging, and ssh'ing to mooneye, for example, resulted in "You don't exist, go away!". I restarted /sbin/init.d/nis on morwong and it recovered. If it happens again we should try to track it down... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick-sig@rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal GNU/Linux | http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri May 2 16:29:16 2003 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:08 2004 Subject: [tech] Odd NIS outage In-Reply-To: <20030502081444.GJ497132@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030502081444.GJ497132@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030502082916.GA414383@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 04:14:44PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > We just had a strange NIS problem around 4pm. "id" was hanging, and > ssh'ing to mooneye, for example, resulted in "You don't exist, go > away!". > > I restarted /sbin/init.d/nis on morwong and it recovered. If it happens > again we should try to track it down... Sounds co-incidental with the OSF-USR licenses expiring... d. -- " I don't get mad.... I get stabby. " - William "Fat Tony" Williams. From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 7 17:22:33 2003 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:08 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [ucc] /tmp on mussel In-Reply-To: <20030507085544.GB28364@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030507085544.GB28364@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030507092233.GX497132@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 04:55:44PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Mussel is low on disk space - please do not store large files > in /tmp. They will be blown away without warning to keep the machine > running. [...] If someone feels enthusiastic enough... mussel could do with a cleanup (deleting files or purging packages) and/or some extra space. There's 84MB free on /, which is the only local filesystem. I wanted to compile a kernel on it recently, but it wouldn't fit... ::-/ Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda2 3.5G 3.3G 84M 98% / /tmp could usefully be a swap+memory tmpfs, limited to a reasonable max size - of course, there's only 640MB RAM and 500MB swap, on its full 4GB disk. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick-sig@rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu May 8 02:16:06 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:08 2004 Subject: [tech] Mussel cleanup Message-ID: <20030507181605.GA30408@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi all, Mussel now has 800Mb free on the root partition, thanks to a bit of judicious weeding out of crap. I've tried to avoid uninstalling anything todo with the various cool projects people have; things blown away include: * emacs20; people can just use xemacs, or vim. * /space/cross-compilers; 250Mb of Grahame's MIPS cross-compiler he'd forgotten about. The existing ARM/other cross-compilers remain, because people are using them * many "*-doc" packages, because we almost certainly don't use them and they can be reinstalled as needed * abiword, because the stupid debian package was using 300Mb to take a copy of every font on the system and reindex them (symlinks would have been better ;-) * ancient kernel and system.map files. We don't really want to run 2.2.18 or 2.4.1 (mmm, filesystem corruption) on it. We should probably look into getting a cheap 60Gb drive for this box, given it's our most useful user box and gets quite a lot of use from people hanging out in the clubroom doing geek stuff. Such a disk should be about $180 AFAIK... I'll add it to the meeting agenda. Cheers Grahame From bernard at blackham.com.au Wed May 21 19:37:25 2003 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard Blackham) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:09 2004 Subject: [tech] New machine... Message-ID: <20030521113725.GA16428@amidala> Craig (reaps) has kindly donated an ex-server to UCC. Specs are: - Dual PPro-200 - 512MB RAM (most days, occasionally 640MB) - Dual hefty PSU - HP NetRaid card with onboard memory & battery - 1x4GB Ultra-SCSI SCA-2 drive (were 2, but one was friend by certain someone) - 4x9GB Ultra-SCSI SCA-2 drives, in RAID5 == 27GB - 2xAdaptec 7880 controllers It's currenty running an install of Debian on XFS, but if anybody feels we should put another quirky OS on, nobody would be too offended. Have tried OpenBSD, but the RAID driver panic'd the machine and temporarily munged the RAID card itself (required a power cycle to get going again). Suggestions for use? Current suggestions are: - replace /home /space or /services - replace http services (currently sucking on mermaid) - replace hydra - - all of the above Bernard. -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030521/2f7b1daa/attachment.pgp From bernard at blackham.com.au Wed May 21 19:39:21 2003 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard Blackham) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:09 2004 Subject: [tech] New machine... In-Reply-To: <20030521113725.GA16428@amidala> References: <20030521113725.GA16428@amidala> Message-ID: <20030521113921.GB16428@amidala> On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 07:37:25PM +0800, Bernard Blackham wrote: > - 1x4GB Ultra-SCSI SCA-2 drive (were 2, but one was friend by friend=fried -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Wed May 21 19:46:41 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:09 2004 Subject: [tech] New machine... In-Reply-To: <20030521113725.GA16428@amidala> References: <20030521113725.GA16428@amidala> Message-ID: <1053517424.1150.2.camel@pingu> On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 19:37, Bernard Blackham wrote: > Suggestions for use? Current suggestions are: > - replace /home /space or /services Although I have expressed my distaste for the machine. If it's running stably, has XFS, is fast, and isn't going to trash our data in 2 days. I would recommend moving /home to it. Lets face it, morwong is sucking like a whore. Hotswap raid would be nice. We could also put a DDS drive on the SCSI bus (mmm, backups). --D -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030521/0a6d2073/attachment.pgp From trent at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 21 19:49:21 2003 From: trent at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Trent Lloyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:10 2004 Subject: [ucc] Re: [tech] New machine... In-Reply-To: <20030521113725.GA16428@amidala> References: <20030521113725.GA16428@amidala> Message-ID: <20030521114921.GA10507@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 07:37:25PM +0800, Bernard Blackham wrote: > Craig (reaps) has kindly donated an ex-server to UCC. Specs are: Cool. > - Dual PPro-200 > - 512MB RAM (most days, occasionally 640MB) perhaps we should take out the ram that spontaneously shows up. > - Dual hefty PSU > - HP NetRaid card with onboard memory & battery > - 1x4GB Ultra-SCSI SCA-2 drive (were 2, but one was friend by > certain someone) > - 4x9GB Ultra-SCSI SCA-2 drives, in RAID5 == 27GB > - 2xAdaptec 7880 controllers Nice ;) > It's currenty running an install of Debian on XFS, but if anybody > feels we should put another quirky OS on, nobody would be too > offended. Have tried OpenBSD, but the RAID driver panic'd the > machine and temporarily munged the RAID card itself (required a > power cycle to get going again). Debian +XFS seems ok with me. Not that I've used XFS but it sounds funky from what I've heard. > > Suggestions for use? Current suggestions are: > - replace /home /space or /services I'll go for /home > - replace http services (currently sucking on mermaid) I'll second that > - replace hydra that's an interesting idea. I'd consider it too. However since it is more geared towards hard disk space I think the former 2 are better ideas. Also since its Linux, shell access to users with a local /home would be nice. So can we please not make it a wheel-only box? > - It must have an IPv6 address :P speaking of which, any luck with those ciscos? otherwise I'll bring this p100 back in this weekend ready to go. Cheers, Trent From trent at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 21 19:50:59 2003 From: trent at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Trent Lloyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:10 2004 Subject: [ucc] Re: [tech] New machine... In-Reply-To: <1053517424.1150.2.camel@pingu> References: <20030521113725.GA16428@amidala> <1053517424.1150.2.camel@pingu> Message-ID: <20030521115059.GB10507@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 07:46:41PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 19:37, Bernard Blackham wrote: > > > Suggestions for use? Current suggestions are: > > - replace /home /space or /services > > Although I have expressed my distaste for the machine. If it's running > stably, has XFS, is fast, and isn't going to trash our data in 2 days. > I would recommend moving /home to it. > > Lets face it, morwong is sucking like a whore. Hotswap raid would be > nice. We could also put a DDS drive on the SCSI bus (mmm, backups). IIRC, we have a DDS drive around somewhere. > --D I thought it was --X? Cheers, Trent From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Wed May 21 20:14:46 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:11 2004 Subject: [ucc] Re: [tech] New machine... In-Reply-To: <20030521115059.GB10507@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030521113725.GA16428@amidala> <1053517424.1150.2.camel@pingu> <20030521115059.GB10507@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1053519286.1245.7.camel@pingu> On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 19:50, Trent Lloyd wrote: > IIRC, we have a DDS drive around somewhere. DDS1 iirc, because I got excited over finding we had one. Then got unexcited to discover it was only DDS1. DDS4 is quite a bit more expensive. > > --D > I thought it was --X? Depends. -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: G'day, Anyone know of (or for that matter if it's possible to use) an Objective-C/Cocoa de-compiler/disassembler. :P It's for a MacOS X "jaguar" program that I'd _really_ like to see (at least some of) the code for... cheers, and thumbs up to Reaps for the cool box donated ;) -- Paul Marinceu http://elixxir.ucc.asn.au From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu May 22 23:53:23 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:11 2004 Subject: [tech] New disk is in mussel Message-ID: <20030522155322.GA5314@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> I've copied everything over to the new disk, the old 4Gb disk is still available on /mnt/old. We're using the 4Gb SCSI disk as the boot disk still (just for the boot sector) as the BIOS can't talk to a 120Gb IDE disk without being flashed. The root partition is on the IDE disk though. The huge amount of free space is mounted on /space, and should probably get /tmp style permissions at some point. It gets relatively sucky performance (15Mb/sec reads, as opposed to the roughly 35Mb/sec reads I get at home) because of the IDE controller. We should put something nicer (ATA66 or 100) at some point. Cheers, Grahame From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri May 23 11:14:33 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:11 2004 Subject: [tech] New disk is in mussel In-Reply-To: <20030523014051.GJ408648@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030522155322.GA5314@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030523014051.GJ408648@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030523031433.GA32288@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 09:40:51AM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2003, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > I've copied everything over to the new disk, the old 4Gb disk > > is still available on /mnt/old. We're using the 4Gb SCSI disk > > as the boot disk still (just for the boot sector) as the BIOS > > can't talk to a 120Gb IDE disk without being flashed. > > > > The root partition is on the IDE disk though. > > > > The huge amount of free space is mounted on /space, and should > > probably get /tmp style permissions at some point. > > > > It gets relatively sucky performance (15Mb/sec reads, as opposed > > to the roughly 35Mb/sec reads I get at home) because of the IDE > > controller. We should put something nicer (ATA66 or 100) at some > > point. > > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio > > .. I've forgotten the root password. Can you do a quick bit of > hdparm magic to turn on dma and see whether the performance goes up? We already did that, without it it was truly awful. From dave at difference.com.au Fri May 23 11:50:28 2003 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:11 2004 Subject: [tech] Objective-C ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:25 PM +0800 22/5/03, Paul Marinceu scribbled: >G'day, > >Anyone know of (or for that matter if it's possible to use) an >Objective-C/Cocoa de-compiler/disassembler. :P > >It's for a MacOS X "jaguar" program that I'd _really_ like to see >(at least some of) the code for... Its not quite what you are asking for, but try otool for getting some useful info out of an app about whats going on. Cheers David From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon May 26 22:21:36 2003 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:11 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 Message-ID: So there's a new v6 machine ... care to tell us about it Bernard? -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC President http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From bernard at blackham.com.au Tue May 27 00:14:20 2003 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard Blackham) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:12 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:21:36PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > So there's a new v6 machine ... care to tell us about it Bernard? I've converted one of the old Digital Venturis (P-60/32MB) into a dedicated IPv6 router currently named foo6, running OpenBSD 3.0. It has a NIC on the guild link (DE205) and a NIC on the machine room network (FA310TX, mine). My grand plan was to use vlans to put that second NIC on all three ucc networks, but I'm not having much joy getting BSD's vlans to chat through bertoli today. So as it stands, we have v6 routing well on the machine room network. Mussel refuses to get an IPv6 address, but that's linux IPv6 for you. There's no firewalling in place on v6. Nor are there any AAAA records. The only other quirk with the machine is that the Netgear card doesn't work until the cable has been unplugged and replugged after a reboot. Thankfully it's merely a temporary measure: If and when the guild link is upgraded, consensus is that hydra (and foo6) will need to be replaced with something a little gruntier, and something that handle v4 & v6 without quirks (*BSD?). I have a spare Cyrix 6x86-200 sitting here if we can't find anything better or queerer. The network might want a bit of a redesign too while we're at it. On that note, morwong found itself with a severly reduced uptime when it decided to panic as I changed it's default IPv6 route. :/ So perhaps it's time it had some patches... Bernard. -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My grand plan was to use vlans to put that > second NIC on all three ucc networks, but I'm not having much joy > getting BSD's vlans to chat through bertoli today. Sucky > So as it stands, we have v6 routing well on the machine room > network. Mussel refuses to get an IPv6 address, but that's linux > IPv6 for you. There's no firewalling in place on v6. Nor are there > any AAAA records. The only other quirk with the machine is that the > Netgear card doesn't work until the cable has been unplugged and > replugged after a reboot. Thankfully it's merely a temporary > measure: I have a PCI card with coax at home in the box I was gonna make the v6 router its got another card in it but i think its b0rked. > If and when the guild link is upgraded, consensus is that hydra (and > foo6) will need to be replaced with something a little gruntier, and > something that handle v4 & v6 without quirks (*BSD?). I have a spare > Cyrix 6x86-200 sitting here if we can't find anything better or > queerer. The network might want a bit of a redesign too while we're > at it. Any specific issues you think need "redesigning"? > On that note, morwong found itself with a severly reduced uptime > when it decided to panic as I changed it's default IPv6 route. :/ > So perhaps it's time it had some patches... mm cute. -- Trent From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue May 27 12:15:11 2003 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:12 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> Message-ID: <20030527041511.GB5242@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:14:20AM +0800, Bernard Blackham wrote: > On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:21:36PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > > So there's a new v6 machine ... care to tell us about it Bernard? > > I've converted one of the old Digital Venturis (P-60/32MB) into a > dedicated IPv6 router currently named foo6, running OpenBSD 3.0. It > has a NIC on the guild link (DE205) and a NIC on the machine room > network (FA310TX, mine). My grand plan was to use vlans to put that > second NIC on all three ucc networks, but I'm not having much joy > getting BSD's vlans to chat through bertoli today. > > So as it stands, we have v6 routing well on the machine room > network. Mussel refuses to get an IPv6 address, but that's linux > IPv6 for you. There's no firewalling in place on v6. Nor are there > any AAAA records. The only other quirk with the machine is that the > Netgear card doesn't work until the cable has been unplugged and > replugged after a reboot. Thankfully it's merely a temporary > measure: Right, so as far as IPv6 is concerned, you've bypassed all the firewalling on hydra. Perhaps a rethink of this strategy is in order? > If and when the guild link is upgraded, consensus is that hydra (and > foo6) will need to be replaced with something a little gruntier, and > something that handle v4 & v6 without quirks (*BSD?). I have a spare > Cyrix 6x86-200 sitting here if we can't find anything better or > queerer. The network might want a bit of a redesign too while we're > at it. Or rebuild hydra so that it talkes IPv6 ? > On that note, morwong found itself with a severly reduced uptime > when it decided to panic as I changed it's default IPv6 route. :/ > So perhaps it's time it had some patches... Oh. So that's why it went away the other day.... Morwong needs a bit of love, yes. Probably soon. I'm about to leave the only Tru64 site I work on and I'm almost certainly going to get rusty :) d. -- " I don't get mad.... I get stabby. " - William "Fat Tony" Williams. From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue May 27 13:21:08 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:13 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> Message-ID: <20030527052107.GA20697@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:14:20AM +0800, Bernard Blackham wrote: > On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:21:36PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > > So there's a new v6 machine ... care to tell us about it Bernard? > > I've converted one of the old Digital Venturis (P-60/32MB) into a > dedicated IPv6 router currently named foo6, running OpenBSD 3.0. It > has a NIC on the guild link (DE205) and a NIC on the machine room > network (FA310TX, mine). My grand plan was to use vlans to put that > second NIC on all three ucc networks, but I'm not having much joy > getting BSD's vlans to chat through bertoli today. You're likely going to have trouble, as bertoli probably only speaks ISL. All the free stuff speaks 802.1q.. From bernard at blackham.com.au Tue May 27 21:52:41 2003 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard Blackham) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:13 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030527041511.GB5242@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527041511.GB5242@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030527135241.GA11700@amidala> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:15:11PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > Right, so as far as IPv6 is concerned, you've bypassed all the > firewalling on hydra. Perhaps a rethink of this strategy is in > order? Well there is no firewalling done on hydra, all filtering is done from UCS's end for v4 (for traffic charging reasons it seems). What v6 traffic do we want to block? I've put in a block on incoming connections to morwong and mussel over v6 for now. Currently there is zero firewalling on WAIX, Parnet and internal UWA traffic. Does this need rectifying or would it just inconvenience people? Bernard. -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Tue May 27 22:54:08 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:13 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030527135241.GA11700@amidala> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527041511.GB5242@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030527135241.GA11700@amidala> Message-ID: <1054047243.1765.4.camel@pingu> On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 21:52, Bernard Blackham wrote: > What v6 traffic do we want to block? seven.ucc.asn.au ;) -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030527/e62b97c8/attachment.pgp From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 01:15:22 2003 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:14 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030527135241.GA11700@amidala> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527041511.GB5242@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030527135241.GA11700@amidala> Message-ID: <20030527171521.GC5242@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 09:52:41PM +0800, Bernard Blackham wrote: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:15:11PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > > Right, so as far as IPv6 is concerned, you've bypassed all the > > firewalling on hydra. Perhaps a rethink of this strategy is in > > order? > > Well there is no firewalling done on hydra, all filtering is done > from UCS's end for v4 (for traffic charging reasons it seems). What > v6 traffic do we want to block? I've put in a block on incoming > connections to morwong and mussel over v6 for now. Currently there > is zero firewalling on WAIX, Parnet and internal UWA traffic. Does > this need rectifying or would it just inconvenience people? Interestink. I've logged into its about twice, so you're certainly better informed than me, Bernard. It'd probably be sane to do a bit of firewalling. Lots of occasionally patched unix and windows boxes at a Uni make a pretty nice target, if only for nogoodnics inside WAIX/Parnet. Anyhoo, keep up the good work d. -- " I don't get mad.... I get stabby. " - William "Fat Tony" Williams. From trent at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 01:39:32 2003 From: trent at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Trent Lloyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:14 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <1054047243.1765.4.camel@pingu> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527041511.GB5242@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030527135241.GA11700@amidala> <1054047243.1765.4.camel@pingu> Message-ID: <20030527173931.GA63038@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:54:08PM +0800, Davyd wrote: > > What v6 traffic do we want to block? > seven.ucc.asn.au ;) get over it dude. Cheers, Trent From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 02:47:48 2003 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:14 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> Message-ID: <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle > A while ago Bernard Blackham tapped: > On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:21:36PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > > So there's a new v6 machine ... care to tell us about it Bernard? > > I've converted one of the old Digital Venturis (P-60/32MB) into a > dedicated IPv6 router currently named foo6, running OpenBSD 3.0. It > has a NIC on the guild link (DE205) and a NIC on the machine room > network (FA310TX, mine). My grand plan was to use vlans to put that > second NIC on all three ucc networks, but I'm not having much joy > getting BSD's vlans to chat through bertoli today. Can you please put 3.3 on it. If not, please upgrade the default ssh/ssl unless you have already done so. With 3.3 you also get some of the other goodies including improved packet filtering. > So as it stands, we have v6 routing well on the machine room > network. Mussel refuses to get an IPv6 address, but that's linux > IPv6 for you. There's no firewalling in place on v6. Nor are there > any AAAA records. The only other quirk with the machine is that the > Netgear card doesn't work until the cable has been unplugged and > replugged after a reboot. Thankfully it's merely a temporary > measure: The card? If it is a realtek based card - it will have very sucky performance. According to the lists I am on, the ether expresses are the entry level on OpenBSD systems for peole who care. > If and when the guild link is upgraded, consensus is that hydra (and > foo6) will need to be replaced with something a little gruntier, and > something that handle v4 & v6 without quirks (*BSD?). I have a spare > Cyrix 6x86-200 sitting here if we can't find anything better or > queerer. The network might want a bit of a redesign too while we're > at it. There are reports of OpenBSD machines running multiple gigabit ethernet cards without any problems - admittadly with more RAM and CPU, so any 100Mb, Gb networking should scale happily from this base. The limiting factor will be the PCI bus. Of course - a non-PC solution is better! :) [...] Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Wed May 28 02:56:30 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:15 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1054061790.1763.13.camel@pingu> On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 02:47, Simon Fryer wrote: > Of course - a non-PC solution is better! :) Someone said something very nasty to be for suggesting this. That aside, Adrian mentioned we might be able to get Cisco in exchange for strategic headjobs. We need an ucchick to volunteer. We can offer to name a machine after them (if they happen to be named after a fish). -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030528/116b2fea/attachment.pgp From yakk at yakk.net Wed May 28 03:03:50 2003 From: yakk at yakk.net (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:15 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1054062229.6229.1511.camel@gaz.yakk.net> On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 11:47, Simon Fryer wrote: > There are reports of OpenBSD machines running multiple gigabit ethernet > cards without any problems - admittadly with more RAM and CPU, so any > 100Mb, Gb networking should scale happily from this base. The limiting > factor will be the PCI bus. > > Of course - a non-PC solution is better! :) The question is of course, can UCC get its hands on any non-PC solution with a backplane thats actually faster than the PCI bus? Ian From david_luyer at pacific.net.au Wed May 28 10:28:22 2003 From: david_luyer at pacific.net.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:15 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <1054062229.6229.1511.camel@gaz.yakk.net> Message-ID: <006701c324c0$cfa7b060$638317d2@ozpacnet.office.pacific.net.au> > The question is of course, can UCC get its hands on any > non-PC solution > with a backplane thats actually faster than the PCI bus? And an Intel PCI64 GigE adapter in an appropriate motherboard is a PC solution which will easily handle the full GigE. Remember even Ciscos use PCI busses (or slower) in most models which UCC could hope to acquire, just with non-standard connectors. Even some with "onboard" GigE can't push close to the full Gig. The ones which are faster than PCI are not easy to come by (and far more expensive than the GigE solution). David. From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 10:55:29 2003 From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:15 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <1054062229.6229.1511.camel@gaz.yakk.net> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1054062229.6229.1511.camel@gaz.yakk.net> Message-ID: <20030528025529.GA41072@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, May 27, 2003, Ian McKellar wrote: > On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 11:47, Simon Fryer wrote: > > There are reports of OpenBSD machines running multiple gigabit ethernet > > cards without any problems - admittadly with more RAM and CPU, so any > > 100Mb, Gb networking should scale happily from this base. The limiting > > factor will be the PCI bus. > > > > Of course - a non-PC solution is better! :) > > The question is of course, can UCC get its hands on any non-PC solution > with a backplane thats actually faster than the PCI bus? Why would you want to? Adrian From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 12:21:56 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:16 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030528025529.GA41072@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1054062229.6229.1511.camel@gaz.yakk.net> <20030528025529.GA41072@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030528042156.GA4098@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 10:55:29AM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Tue, May 27, 2003, Ian McKellar wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 11:47, Simon Fryer wrote: > > > There are reports of OpenBSD machines running multiple gigabit ethernet > > > cards without any problems - admittadly with more RAM and CPU, so any > > > 100Mb, Gb networking should scale happily from this base. The limiting > > > factor will be the PCI bus. > > > > > > Of course - a non-PC solution is better! :) > > > > The question is of course, can UCC get its hands on any non-PC solution > > with a backplane thats actually faster than the PCI bus? > > Why would you want to? Another example of something we could do cheap and well by going down the PC path is /home. For a few hundred dollars a couple of 120Gb ATA100 drives could be purchased. These could then be mirrored, whacked into a Linux / BSD / Solaris x86 machine with a decent ATA100 card. They would /massively outperform/ morwong's disks. These days, ATA really isn't that bad. Yes, you will get more interrupts than on SCSI. However, in real life it's still going to be faster than the ancient disks in morwong. In real life, it's going to be massively cheaper. IDE disks are far easier to replace : if one of the bricks in morwong goes along with all the disks, it'd cost a mint to get the thing up and working again. Yet we're still talking about acquiring ancient 4Gb disks for morwong and storageworks bricks. Morwong is a cute box and worth having around. It's really sucking at serving /home though. And yes, a lot of this has to do with fragmentation, but we can still do better. So, I'd like to propose that we get something recent (P3 or greater) from somewhere, buy a decent ATA 100 controller for it (that is well-supported by Linux and/or BSD) and stick 2 * 120Gb 7200RPM Barracudas in it. Also give the host PC a couple of gigabytes of memory, just to be on the safe side. We would need to test NFS locking and things like that; it'd be nice to get it working with Linux or BSD, but if necessary we could run Solaris x86. From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 12:56:24 2003 From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:16 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030528042156.GA4098@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1054062229.6229.1511.camel@gaz.yakk.net> <20030528025529.GA41072@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030528042156.GA4098@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030528045624.GB41072@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, May 28, 2003, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > Why would you want to? > > Another example of something we could do cheap and well by going down > the PC path is /home. For a few hundred dollars a couple of 120Gb > ATA100 drives could be purchased. These could then be mirrored, whacked > into a Linux / BSD / Solaris x86 machine with a decent ATA100 card. > They would /massively outperform/ morwong's disks. _yay_. > These days, ATA really isn't that bad. Yes, you will get more > interrupts than on SCSI. However, in real life it's still going to be > faster than the ancient disks in morwong. In real life, it's going to be > massively cheaper. IDE disks are far easier to replace : if one of the > bricks in morwong goes along with all the disks, it'd cost a mint to get > the thing up and working again. In fact, you could write in yearly replacements of one of the disks and I'm sure we'd still end up with great uptime. > So, I'd like to propose that we get something recent (P3 or greater) > from somewhere, buy a decent ATA 100 controller for it (that is > well-supported by Linux and/or BSD) and stick 2 * 120Gb 7200RPM > Barracudas in it. Also give the host PC a couple of gigabytes of memory, > just to be on the safe side. > > We would need to test NFS locking and things like that; it'd be nice > to get it working with Linux or BSD, but if necessary we could run > Solaris x86. NFS locking definitely needs to be tested. Solaris x86 doesn't suck but its quite picky about its high-perf x86 hardware. I second this. Adrian From david at luyer.net Wed May 28 13:48:27 2003 From: david at luyer.net (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:16 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030528045624.GB41072@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <00c001c324dc$c32d5940$638317d2@ozpacnet.office.pacific.net.au> > We would need to test NFS locking and things like that; > it'd be nice to get it working with Linux or BSD, but if > necessary we could run Solaris x86. NFS locking and NFS v3 work fine on Linux as long as you use kernel NFS server not userspace NFS server. Oh and use 2.4.(>=20) and plain old ext2 (unless you have some serious issues with power unreliablity). If you're using GigE then use 8k rsize/wsize and 9k MTU... no frags!... GigE cards are cheap these days, you could put a GigE Intel card in there so you can later hope to support 9k MTU. David. From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 16:07:57 2003 From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Nixon-Lloyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:16 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: > > Of course - a non-PC solution is better! :) > one of those new IBM p615 's is only US$5,745 AIX or Linux, and thats with 2GB of ram and 72GB of HDD space. and we could try and scab a student discount... C'mon, you know you want it..... > [...] > > Simon > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to > philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is > the utility of the final product." > Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh > > From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 16:11:28 2003 From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Nixon-Lloyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:16 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > > > Of course - a non-PC solution is better! :) > > > > one of those new IBM p615 's is only US$5,745 AIX or Linux, > and thats with 2GB of ram and 72GB of HDD space. > > and we could try and scab a student discount... > > C'mon, you know you want it..... i would just like to add i was excited and so misread the page, it only has 36GB HDD and 1GB Ram at that price. but still. Alwyn From david_luyer at pacific.net.au Wed May 28 16:25:44 2003 From: david_luyer at pacific.net.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:16 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00f701c324f2$bbc855e0$638317d2@ozpacnet.office.pacific.net.au> Come on, get an x335, you know you want it :) You could probably get: IBM x335 2.5Gb RAM GigE Hardware SCSI RAID 2 x 36Gb SCSI 15k RPM (run them H/W RAID1 as 1 x 36Gb) Dual 2.8GHz Xeon 3 years hardware (parts & labor, onsite) maintenance Down to under $10k AU. David. > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > [mailto:tech-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Alwyn Nixon-Lloyd > Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2003 6:11 PM > To: Simon Fryer > Cc: tech@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: Re: [tech] v6 > > > > > > > > > > > Of course - a non-PC solution is better! :) > > > > > > > one of those new IBM p615 's is only US$5,745 AIX or Linux, > > and thats with 2GB of ram and 72GB of HDD space. > > > > and we could try and scab a student discount... > > > > C'mon, you know you want it..... > > i would just like to add i was excited and so misread the page, > it only has 36GB HDD and 1GB Ram at that price. > > but still. > > Alwyn From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 16:43:09 2003 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:17 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: References: <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030528084309.GB62945@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 04:07:57PM +0800, Alwyn Nixon-Lloyd wrote: > > > > > > Of course - a non-PC solution is better! :) > > > > one of those new IBM p615 's is only US$5,745 AIX or Linux, > and thats with 2GB of ram and 72GB of HDD space. > > and we could try and scab a student discount... Heh, shame ucc can't get teh solaris "developer discount" I think that works out at 20% retail ( note not a discount of 20% but 20% of the retail price) actually makes suns resonably priced. though there is a ceiling, so no starfires :( Andrew. > > C'mon, you know you want it..... > > [...] > > > > Simon > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to > > philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is > > the utility of the final product." > > Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh > > > > -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 16:47:57 2003 From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Nixon-Lloyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:17 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030528084309.GB62945@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: > > and we could try and scab a student discount... > > Heh, shame ucc can't get teh solaris "developer discount" I think that > works out at 20% retail ( note not a discount of 20% but 20% of the retail > price) actually makes suns resonably priced. couldn't we just promise to enslave all UCC members to work on a program for solaris/SPARC for a year? Alwyn From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed May 28 17:56:05 2003 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:17 2004 Subject: [tech] Disk for morwong Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2731603229&category=11160 1 day to go, currently at $305. Compaq Proliant Storage Array 7x9.1 7200 HDD. UW interface, dual power supplies, 3 fans (good for ucc). Shipping is likely to be the only issue (it's in NSW). According to Nick, he and yakk are good for $200 each, plus UCC is probably good for a few hundred or so. Do we want to place some bids on it? -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC President http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From dave at difference.com.au Wed May 28 20:02:20 2003 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:17 2004 Subject: [tech] Objective-C ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:25 PM +0800 22/5/03, Paul Marinceu scribbled: >G'day, > >Anyone know of (or for that matter if it's possible to use) an >Objective-C/Cocoa de-compiler/disassembler. :P > >It's for a MacOS X "jaguar" program that I'd _really_ like to see >(at least some of) the code for... OH, so this reply is somewhat late - but also try class-dump. http://people.omnigroup.com/nygard/Projects/ Available from fink or darwin ports. Cheers David From alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu May 29 00:18:24 2003 From: alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alastair Irvine) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:17 2004 Subject: [tech] Disk for morwong In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030528161824.GA8156@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, 28 May, 2003 at 05:56:05PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2731603229&category=11160 > > 1 day to go, currently at $305. > > Compaq Proliant Storage Array 7x9.1 7200 HDD. UW interface, dual power > supplies, 3 fans (good for ucc). Shipping is likely to be the only issue > (it's in NSW). According to Nick, he and yakk are good for $200 each, plus > UCC is probably good for a few hundred or so. Do we want to place some > bids on it? Put me in for a hundred. If shipping costs more than expected I'll put in for some of that too. Has anyone bid yet? -- ... Instinct is intelligence incapable of self-consciousness. _____________________________________________________________________ | | | -=*Alastair Irvine*=- | | C-monkey/wanderer/board&RPGer/net-nut alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | |_____________________________________________________________________| From lathiat at sixlabs.org Thu May 29 11:21:09 2003 From: lathiat at sixlabs.org (Trent Lloyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:18 2004 Subject: [tech] shit. Message-ID: <20030529032109.GA991@sixlabs.org> can someone bounce me the latest raw traffic log. to trent@ucc -- tret From elixxir at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu May 29 14:12:05 2003 From: elixxir at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Paul Marinceu) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:18 2004 Subject: [tech] Objective-C ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 2003, David Cake wrote: > OH, so this reply is somewhat late - but also try class-dump. > http://people.omnigroup.com/nygard/Projects/ > Available from fink or darwin ports. cool, thanks a lot David, I'll try it and see what I get cheers -- Paul Marinceu http://elixxir.ucc.asn.au From yakk at yakk.net Sat May 31 06:50:22 2003 From: yakk at yakk.net (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:18 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <20030528042156.GA4098@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030526161420.GA5415@amidala> <20030527184744.GA48472@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1054062229.6229.1511.camel@gaz.yakk.net> <20030528025529.GA41072@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030528042156.GA4098@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1054335021.5585.102.camel@gaz.yakk.net> On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 21:21, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Another example of something we could do cheap and well by going down > the PC path is /home. For a few hundred dollars a couple of 120Gb > ATA100 drives could be purchased. These could then be mirrored, whacked > into a Linux / BSD / Solaris x86 machine with a decent ATA100 card. > They would /massively outperform/ morwong's disks. One of my friends recently upgraded his mp3 server to just over half a terabyte of raid5 (I think) really cheaply using a 3ware card (so it looks like SCSI to linux) and 4 of the $150 200G disks. On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 21:56, Adrian Chadd wrote: > NFS locking definitely needs to be tested. Solaris x86 doesn't suck but > its quite picky about its high-perf x86 hardware. I'm sorry, Solaris x86 does suck terribly. Its kernel leaks like a Java program and its basically unsupported by both Sun and the Unix community. One of the greatest sources of pain in my life recently has been the fact that gdb doesn't work right on Solaris/x86. Ian From david at luyer.net Sat May 31 11:58:31 2003 From: david at luyer.net (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:27:18 2004 Subject: [tech] v6 In-Reply-To: <1054335021.5585.102.camel@gaz.yakk.net> Message-ID: <000201c32728$e7def6b0$46943ecb@ozpacnet.office.pacific.net.au> > I'm sorry, Solaris x86 does suck terribly. Its kernel leaks > like a Java > program and its basically unsupported by both Sun and the Unix > community. One of the greatest sources of pain in my life recently has > been the fact that gdb doesn't work right on Solaris/x86. gdb? Shouldn't you be using adb? ;PP And then there's that wonderful tool fsdb if you want to debug the Solaris fs's, to quote: Wherever possible, adb-like syntax was adopted to promote the use of fsdb through familiarity. Yes. Because we all love the adb syntax. *sigh* There's a million and one things I don't like about Solaris, but gdb brokenness is a fair way down my "Solaris sucks because" list personally. David.