From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 10:34:26 2009 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:34:26 +0800 Subject: [tech] (no subject) Message-ID: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi, Just letting tech know I'm going to pull apart "problematic end computer" (that is to say I don't know its name) and redo the heatsink placement - just letting you all know so I don't get angry/violent phone calls when someone views the webcams. Bob btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading windows, and won't let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix this, could someone else please do it? From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 11:33:20 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:33:20 +0800 Subject: [tech] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090803113320.168755rau44kl6yo@secure.ucc.asn.au> If nobody has done it by 4:00 Ill drop in on my way home. Quoting bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: > Hi, > Just letting tech know I'm going to pull apart "problematic end > computer" (that is to say I don't know its name) and redo the > heatsink placement - just letting you all know so I don't get > angry/violent phone calls when someone views the webcams. > Bob > > btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading windows, > and won't let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix > this, could someone else please do it? > From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 11:55:10 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:55:10 +0800 Subject: [tech] A Few More PC's + Project Ideas Message-ID: <20090803115510.41311u7xjhwd6v1c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi People. If you have any empty computer cases with PSU's you wish to donate to UCC Im happy to donate a few of the Via Eden ITX Boards to get some LTSP clients + individual PC's going. Please let the list know if you have any old ones and well see if we can get 2 or 3 Project PC's going (Ones with Serial, LPT etc for chip programming). Allso if your interested im keen on making some small boxes that can plug into PC's (Perhaps 5 1/4 Bay) that have the following outputs: Serial Serial + Max232 AVR ISP Cable USB +-5V +-12V Mainly for Project use, Providing a PC or 2 for people who want to use it for interfacing. Also another idea thats been tossed arround is a Skill tester style crane that can reach anywhere in UCC and be able to lift 500g-1kg from place to place On rails or cables using a remote control connected via serial to move it (RC Car) If your interested in helping let the list know, The biggest challenge to work work out how to make a rod/cable move from left to right along 2 walls without lagging. This would also contain a Webcam that can see where your dropping it... It could even get your coke for you.... Another idea is to ressurect the Monorail project, We could have this tie in with the Skill tester idea by means of transporting things arround UCC (For the geek factor). Im free up till about midnight tonight if anyone wants to join me at UCC to have a play and maybe create a small scale design of the crane. Enough from me :) Hope to see someone tonight, I will be there from about 6:00 onwards. Mitch From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 15:09:27 2009 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:09:27 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Just letting tech know I'm going to pull apart "problematic end computer" > (that is to say I don't know its name) and redo the heatsink placement - just > letting you all know so I don't get angry/violent phone calls when someone > views the webcams. That wasn't an angry phone call, it was polite - I said there was no problem, just email tech so people know what's going on. Now, throwing out working monitors, that makes me angry - there's a perfectly fine monitor graveyard upstairs in the loft where they could have been put in the interim. > btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading windows, and won't > let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix this, could someone > else please do it? Sounds like a network problem perhaps. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From shmookey at ucc.asn.au Mon Aug 3 17:06:36 2009 From: shmookey at ucc.asn.au (Luke Williams) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:06:36 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] Safety risk Message-ID: Hi all, I just shocked myself on some exposed live wires coming from the rackmount server above musdea. Since this clearly isn't safe (and I'm pretty sure it's not legal either) I'm unplugging it. Can whoever installed this please insulate the wires before plugging it back in. Thanks, Luke UCC Wheel Member From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 18:12:13 2009 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:12:13 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading windows, and won't > let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix this, could someone > else please do it? To give some more detail: when you try and boot the Windows partition, it reboots just before getting into graphical mode (i.e. just after loading mup.sys). Probably needs a repair install at least, and possibly a total reinstall. The Ubuntu problem has been fixed: it wasn't mounting /home because Ubuntu loads NFS mounts when eth0 comes up; thanks to udev.rules stupidity there was no eth0. [DAA] From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 18:19:38 2009 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:19:38 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, David Adam wrote: > On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > > btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading windows, and won't > > let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix this, could someone > > else please do it? > > To give some more detail: when you try and boot the Windows partition, it > reboots just before getting into graphical mode (i.e. just after loading > mup.sys). Probably needs a repair install at least, and possibly a total > reinstall. > > The Ubuntu problem has been fixed: it wasn't mounting /home because Ubuntu > loads NFS mounts when eth0 comes up; thanks to udev.rules stupidity there > was no eth0. #ucc Wednesday 29 July around 2pm: oh, and the far end computer in the common room is fixed --> nuked screen and motherboard bob: can you email tech at ucc with the details? -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 19:32:59 2009 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:32:59 +0800 Subject: [tech] cephalopod and monitors References: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <00166907C9154C3187BE39C43F6B2165@Prometheus> Ok, time to clear some things up on the tech front, as there seems to be some misinformation floating around about monitors, and lingering questions as to what was/has been done to Cephalopod (aka problematic end computer). 1. When I got to Cephalopod, all that would show up was a white screen with the words 'burn in' showing. This message showed no matter what computer the screen got plugged into, even when the screen wasn't plugged in, and a cable problem was ruled out. The screen menu wouldn't show up either. A google of the symptoms returned nothing. Conclusion: the screen is broken, and Rufus can confirm this. The screen sat under a table for four days before it was decided by numerous people that it should be chucked out. I did not personally throw it in the skip, but I agree with the decision. I have since been informed that I should have left this to committee to do, my apologies, I didn't know. This is the ONLY monitor I had ANYTHING to do with throwing out today, and I had nothing to do with the monitors that were later switched and (maybe) thrown out. 2. Once I knew I had a working monitor, though the process of elimination I came to the conclusion that the Cephalopod motherboard was screwed/fried, and subsequently switched it out for another that was floating around the club room. Today I finished doing that by putting some thermal paste under the heat sink. 3. Once the Cephalopod hardware was finally working, I booted it only to find that there were additional software problems, please see the email from zanchey (below) regarding the current status of that. I think that's everything covered, sorry for the lengthy email but the misinformation was bugging me. Bob -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Andrewartha" Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:19 PM To: "David Adam" Cc: Subject: Re: [tech] (no subject) > On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, David Adam wrote: > >> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >> > btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading windows, and >> > won't >> > let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix this, could >> > someone >> > else please do it? >> >> To give some more detail: when you try and boot the Windows partition, it >> reboots just before getting into graphical mode (i.e. just after loading >> mup.sys). Probably needs a repair install at least, and possibly a total >> reinstall. >> >> The Ubuntu problem has been fixed: it wasn't mounting /home because >> Ubuntu >> loads NFS mounts when eth0 comes up; thanks to udev.rules stupidity there >> was no eth0. > > #ucc Wednesday 29 July around 2pm: > oh, and the far end computer in the common room is fixed --> nuked > screen and motherboard > bob: can you email tech at ucc with the details? > > -- > # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here > will do \ > # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best > | > [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide > your | > [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux > #231 / From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 19:51:23 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:51:23 +0800 Subject: [tech] New camera Message-ID: <20090803195123.887174kc4yb52z28@secure.ucc.asn.au> A New camera has been added to the left side of the MR. CouchCam Mitch From alex at theducks.org Mon Aug 3 21:39:24 2009 From: alex at theducks.org (Alex Dawson) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:39:24 -0400 Subject: [tech] cephalopod and monitors In-Reply-To: <00166907C9154C3187BE39C43F6B2165@Prometheus> References: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> <00166907C9154C3187BE39C43F6B2165@Prometheus> Message-ID: <1A8B2921-1AE6-47B6-8A04-EC3FC4A0E4D8@theducks.org> Bob, After buying it in 2001 with money from her grandmother's will, using it for several years, my wife donated that monitor to UCC. The monitor did that unless it had hsync. It had been repaired once and they forgot to turn that feature off in a new IC that was installed. We never made an issue of it, remembering to turn it off when we turned the computer off. If the computer it was connected to had problems, there would be no hsync, and of course it would just display "burn in". Yes, it's kinda annoying, but you should have tested it with another computer. So basically, by my reading, UCC threw out a working monitor we donated. Thanks. Kinda glad I didn't leave my media PC there now. On 03/08/2009, at 7:32 AM, Bob Adamson wrote: > Ok, time to clear some things up on the tech front, as there seems > to be some misinformation floating around about monitors, and > lingering questions as to what was/has been done to Cephalopod (aka > problematic end computer). > > 1. When I got to Cephalopod, all that would show up was a white > screen with the words 'burn in' showing. This message showed no > matter what computer the screen got plugged into, even when the > screen wasn't plugged in, and a cable problem was ruled out. The > screen menu wouldn't show up either. A google of the symptoms > returned nothing. Conclusion: the screen is broken, and Rufus can > confirm this. The screen sat under a table for four days before it > was decided by numerous people that it should be chucked out. I did > not personally throw it in the skip, but I agree with the decision. > I have since been informed that I should have left this to committee > to do, my apologies, I didn't know. This is the ONLY monitor I had > ANYTHING to do with throwing out today, and I had nothing to do with > the monitors that were later switched and (maybe) thrown out. > > 2. Once I knew I had a working monitor, though the process of > elimination I came to the conclusion that the Cephalopod motherboard > was screwed/fried, and subsequently switched it out for another that > was floating around the club room. Today I finished doing that by > putting some thermal paste under the heat sink. > > 3. Once the Cephalopod hardware was finally working, I booted it > only to find that there were additional software problems, please > see the email from zanchey (below) regarding the current status of > that. > > I think that's everything covered, sorry for the lengthy email but > the misinformation was bugging me. > Bob > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "James Andrewartha" > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:19 PM > To: "David Adam" > Cc: > Subject: Re: [tech] (no subject) > >> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, David Adam wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >>> > btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading >>> windows, and > won't >>> > let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix this, >>> could > someone >>> > else please do it? >>> >>> To give some more detail: when you try and boot the Windows >>> partition, it >>> reboots just before getting into graphical mode (i.e. just after >>> loading >>> mup.sys). Probably needs a repair install at least, and possibly a >>> total >>> reinstall. >>> >>> The Ubuntu problem has been fixed: it wasn't mounting /home >>> because Ubuntu >>> loads NFS mounts when eth0 comes up; thanks to udev.rules >>> stupidity there >>> was no eth0. >> >> #ucc Wednesday 29 July around 2pm: >> oh, and the far end computer in the common room is fixed --> >> nuked screen and motherboard >> bob: can you email tech at ucc with the details? >> >> -- >> # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub >> here will do \ >> # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels >> do best | >> [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and >> hide your | >> [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid >> Reflux #231 / > > > -- alex at theducks.org -=- http://www.theducks.org/ ICQ:4496760 MSN:passport at splash.theducks.org iChat/AIM: lgmduck at AIM Yahoo!: lgm_duck From maset at ucc.asn.au Mon Aug 3 22:10:26 2009 From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma ) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:10:26 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] cephalopod and monitors In-Reply-To: <1A8B2921-1AE6-47B6-8A04-EC3FC4A0E4D8@theducks.org> References: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> <00166907C9154C3187BE39C43F6B2165@Prometheus> <1A8B2921-1AE6-47B6-8A04-EC3FC4A0E4D8@theducks.org> Message-ID: I'm amazed that people didn't mention that we throw stuff out at clean ups. We've all suffered through having shitty equipment clogging th clubroom, but the reason we hold off just ditching it any old day of the week is for reasons such as below. On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Alex Dawson wrote: > Bob, > > After buying it in 2001 with money from her grandmother's will, > using it for several years, my wife donated that monitor to UCC. > The monitor did that unless it had hsync. It had been repaired > once and they forgot to turn that feature off in a new IC that > was installed. We never made an issue of it, remembering to turn > it off when we turned the computer off. > > If the computer it was connected to had problems, there would be > no hsync, and of course it would just display "burn in". Yes, > it's kinda annoying, but you should have tested it with another > computer. > > So basically, by my reading, UCC threw out a working monitor we > donated. Thanks. > > Kinda glad I didn't leave my media PC there now. > > On 03/08/2009, at 7:32 AM, Bob Adamson wrote: > >> Ok, time to clear some things up on the tech front, as there >> seems to be some misinformation floating around about monitors, >> and lingering questions as to what was/has been done to >> Cephalopod (aka problematic end computer). >> >> 1. When I got to Cephalopod, all that would show up was a white >> screen with the words 'burn in' showing. This message showed no >> matter what computer the screen got plugged into, even when the >> screen wasn't plugged in, and a cable problem was ruled out. >> The screen menu wouldn't show up either. A google of the >> symptoms returned nothing. Conclusion: the screen is broken, >> and Rufus can confirm this. The screen sat under a table for >> four days before it was decided by numerous people that it >> should be chucked out. I did not personally throw it in the >> skip, but I agree with the decision. I have since been informed >> that I should have left this to committee to do, my apologies, >> I didn't know. This is the ONLY monitor I had ANYTHING to do >> with throwing out today, and I had nothing to do with the >> monitors that were later switched and (maybe) thrown out. >> >> 2. Once I knew I had a working monitor, though the process of >> elimination I came to the conclusion that the Cephalopod >> motherboard was screwed/fried, and subsequently switched it out >> for another that was floating around the club room. Today I >> finished doing that by putting some thermal paste under the >> heat sink. >> >> 3. Once the Cephalopod hardware was finally working, I booted >> it only to find that there were additional software problems, >> please see the email from zanchey (below) regarding the current >> status of that. >> >> I think that's everything covered, sorry for the lengthy email >> but the misinformation was bugging me. >> Bob >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "James Andrewartha" >> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:19 PM >> To: "David Adam" >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: [tech] (no subject) >> >>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, David Adam wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >>>>> btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading >>>>> windows, and > won't >>>>> let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix >>>>> this, could > someone >>>>> else please do it? >>>> >>>> To give some more detail: when you try and boot the Windows >>>> partition, it >>>> reboots just before getting into graphical mode (i.e. just >>>> after loading >>>> mup.sys). Probably needs a repair install at least, and >>>> possibly a total >>>> reinstall. >>>> >>>> The Ubuntu problem has been fixed: it wasn't mounting /home >>>> because Ubuntu >>>> loads NFS mounts when eth0 comes up; thanks to udev.rules >>>> stupidity there >>>> was no eth0. >>> >>> #ucc Wednesday 29 July around 2pm: >>> oh, and the far end computer in the common room is fixed >>> --> nuked screen and motherboard >>> bob: can you email tech at ucc with the details? >>> >>> -- >>> # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise >>> Bub here will do \ >>> # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what >>> squirrels do best | >>> [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect >>> and hide your | >>> [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- >>> Acid Reflux #231 / >> >> >> > > -- > alex at theducks.org -=- http://www.theducks.org/ > ICQ:4496760 MSN:passport at splash.theducks.org > iChat/AIM: lgmduck at AIM Yahoo!: lgm_duck > From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 22:22:43 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:22:43 +0800 Subject: [tech] cephalopod and monitors In-Reply-To: References: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> <00166907C9154C3187BE39C43F6B2165@Prometheus> <1A8B2921-1AE6-47B6-8A04-EC3FC4A0E4D8@theducks.org> Message-ID: <20090803222243.14911gjklpfa8erk@secure.ucc.asn.au> Lets say the screen was dead... Would we still have thrown it out? If it has sentimental value Then it probably shouldn't have been left at UCC. I Understand it was donated, And with that you give up all rights to complain that it was thrown out if it dies. I can understand this being different for something like a VAX2 etc, But this was a CRT Monitor, An old one of that, And seeing how may others we have laying around I'm on Bob's side for this one. If it was deemed dead and others agreed then its better in the bin than in the clubroom taking up space that people could be using for things like Projects or leg room. Mitch Quoting "Anil Sharma " : > I'm amazed that people didn't mention that we throw stuff out at clean ups. > > We've all suffered through having shitty equipment clogging th > clubroom, but the reason we hold off just ditching it any old day of > the week is for reasons such as below. > > > On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Alex Dawson wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> After buying it in 2001 with money from her grandmother's will, >> using it for several years, my wife donated that monitor to UCC. >> The monitor did that unless it had hsync. It had been repaired once >> and they forgot to turn that feature off in a new IC that was >> installed. We never made an issue of it, remembering to turn it off >> when we turned the computer off. >> >> If the computer it was connected to had problems, there would be no >> hsync, and of course it would just display "burn in". Yes, it's >> kinda annoying, but you should have tested it with another computer. >> >> So basically, by my reading, UCC threw out a working monitor we >> donated. Thanks. >> >> Kinda glad I didn't leave my media PC there now. >> >> On 03/08/2009, at 7:32 AM, Bob Adamson wrote: >> >>> Ok, time to clear some things up on the tech front, as there seems >>> to be some misinformation floating around about monitors, and >>> lingering questions as to what was/has been done to Cephalopod >>> (aka problematic end computer). >>> >>> 1. When I got to Cephalopod, all that would show up was a white >>> screen with the words 'burn in' showing. This message showed no >>> matter what computer the screen got plugged into, even when the >>> screen wasn't plugged in, and a cable problem was ruled out. The >>> screen menu wouldn't show up either. A google of the symptoms >>> returned nothing. Conclusion: the screen is broken, and Rufus can >>> confirm this. The screen sat under a table for four days before it >>> was decided by numerous people that it should be chucked out. I >>> did not personally throw it in the skip, but I agree with the >>> decision. I have since been informed that I should have left this >>> to committee to do, my apologies, I didn't know. This is the ONLY >>> monitor I had ANYTHING to do with throwing out today, and I had >>> nothing to do with the monitors that were later switched and >>> (maybe) thrown out. >>> >>> 2. Once I knew I had a working monitor, though the process of >>> elimination I came to the conclusion that the Cephalopod >>> motherboard was screwed/fried, and subsequently switched it out >>> for another that was floating around the club room. Today I >>> finished doing that by putting some thermal paste under the heat >>> sink. >>> >>> 3. Once the Cephalopod hardware was finally working, I booted it >>> only to find that there were additional software problems, please >>> see the email from zanchey (below) regarding the current status of >>> that. >>> >>> I think that's everything covered, sorry for the lengthy email but >>> the misinformation was bugging me. >>> Bob >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "James Andrewartha" >>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:19 PM >>> To: "David Adam" >>> Cc: >>> Subject: Re: [tech] (no subject) >>> >>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, David Adam wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >>>>>> btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading >>>>>> windows, and > won't >>>>>> let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix this, >>>>>> could > someone >>>>>> else please do it? >>>>> >>>>> To give some more detail: when you try and boot the Windows partition, it >>>>> reboots just before getting into graphical mode (i.e. just after loading >>>>> mup.sys). Probably needs a repair install at least, and possibly a total >>>>> reinstall. >>>>> >>>>> The Ubuntu problem has been fixed: it wasn't mounting /home >>>>> because Ubuntu >>>>> loads NFS mounts when eth0 comes up; thanks to udev.rules stupidity there >>>>> was no eth0. >>>> >>>> #ucc Wednesday 29 July around 2pm: >>>> oh, and the far end computer in the common room is fixed >>>> --> nuked screen and motherboard >>>> bob: can you email tech at ucc with the details? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub >>>> here will do \ >>>> # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what >>>> squirrels do best | >>>> [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect >>>> and hide your | >>>> [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- >>>> Acid Reflux #231 / >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> alex at theducks.org -=- http://www.theducks.org/ >> ICQ:4496760 MSN:passport at splash.theducks.org >> iChat/AIM: lgmduck at AIM Yahoo!: lgm_duck >> > From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 22:22:44 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:22:44 +0800 Subject: [tech] cephalopod and monitors In-Reply-To: References: <20090803103426.47424ysexhpyovpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> <00166907C9154C3187BE39C43F6B2165@Prometheus> <1A8B2921-1AE6-47B6-8A04-EC3FC4A0E4D8@theducks.org> Message-ID: <20090803222244.31503ppqk69ysybk@secure.ucc.asn.au> Lets say the screen was dead... Would we still have thrown it out? If it has sentimental value Then it probably shouldn't have been left at UCC. I Understand it was donated, And with that you give up all rights to complain that it was thrown out if it dies. I can understand this being different for something like a VAX2 etc, But this was a CRT Monitor, An old one of that, And seeing how may others we have laying around I'm on Bob's side for this one. If it was deemed dead and others agreed then its better in the bin than in the clubroom taking up space that people could be using for things like Projects or leg room. Mitch Quoting "Anil Sharma " : > I'm amazed that people didn't mention that we throw stuff out at clean ups. > > We've all suffered through having shitty equipment clogging th > clubroom, but the reason we hold off just ditching it any old day of > the week is for reasons such as below. > > > On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Alex Dawson wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> After buying it in 2001 with money from her grandmother's will, >> using it for several years, my wife donated that monitor to UCC. >> The monitor did that unless it had hsync. It had been repaired once >> and they forgot to turn that feature off in a new IC that was >> installed. We never made an issue of it, remembering to turn it off >> when we turned the computer off. >> >> If the computer it was connected to had problems, there would be no >> hsync, and of course it would just display "burn in". Yes, it's >> kinda annoying, but you should have tested it with another computer. >> >> So basically, by my reading, UCC threw out a working monitor we >> donated. Thanks. >> >> Kinda glad I didn't leave my media PC there now. >> >> On 03/08/2009, at 7:32 AM, Bob Adamson wrote: >> >>> Ok, time to clear some things up on the tech front, as there seems >>> to be some misinformation floating around about monitors, and >>> lingering questions as to what was/has been done to Cephalopod >>> (aka problematic end computer). >>> >>> 1. When I got to Cephalopod, all that would show up was a white >>> screen with the words 'burn in' showing. This message showed no >>> matter what computer the screen got plugged into, even when the >>> screen wasn't plugged in, and a cable problem was ruled out. The >>> screen menu wouldn't show up either. A google of the symptoms >>> returned nothing. Conclusion: the screen is broken, and Rufus can >>> confirm this. The screen sat under a table for four days before it >>> was decided by numerous people that it should be chucked out. I >>> did not personally throw it in the skip, but I agree with the >>> decision. I have since been informed that I should have left this >>> to committee to do, my apologies, I didn't know. This is the ONLY >>> monitor I had ANYTHING to do with throwing out today, and I had >>> nothing to do with the monitors that were later switched and >>> (maybe) thrown out. >>> >>> 2. Once I knew I had a working monitor, though the process of >>> elimination I came to the conclusion that the Cephalopod >>> motherboard was screwed/fried, and subsequently switched it out >>> for another that was floating around the club room. Today I >>> finished doing that by putting some thermal paste under the heat >>> sink. >>> >>> 3. Once the Cephalopod hardware was finally working, I booted it >>> only to find that there were additional software problems, please >>> see the email from zanchey (below) regarding the current status of >>> that. >>> >>> I think that's everything covered, sorry for the lengthy email but >>> the misinformation was bugging me. >>> Bob >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "James Andrewartha" >>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:19 PM >>> To: "David Adam" >>> Cc: >>> Subject: Re: [tech] (no subject) >>> >>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, David Adam wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >>>>>> btw, "problematic end computer" is having issues loading >>>>>> windows, and > won't >>>>>> let anyone log on to ubuntu. As I have NO IDEA how to fix this, >>>>>> could > someone >>>>>> else please do it? >>>>> >>>>> To give some more detail: when you try and boot the Windows partition, it >>>>> reboots just before getting into graphical mode (i.e. just after loading >>>>> mup.sys). Probably needs a repair install at least, and possibly a total >>>>> reinstall. >>>>> >>>>> The Ubuntu problem has been fixed: it wasn't mounting /home >>>>> because Ubuntu >>>>> loads NFS mounts when eth0 comes up; thanks to udev.rules stupidity there >>>>> was no eth0. >>>> >>>> #ucc Wednesday 29 July around 2pm: >>>> oh, and the far end computer in the common room is fixed >>>> --> nuked screen and motherboard >>>> bob: can you email tech at ucc with the details? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub >>>> here will do \ >>>> # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what >>>> squirrels do best | >>>> [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect >>>> and hide your | >>>> [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- >>>> Acid Reflux #231 / >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> alex at theducks.org -=- http://www.theducks.org/ >> ICQ:4496760 MSN:passport at splash.theducks.org >> iChat/AIM: lgmduck at AIM Yahoo!: lgm_duck >> > From frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 3 23:46:37 2009 From: frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James French) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:46:37 +0800 Subject: [tech] New Clubroom Machine: Sidderrog Message-ID: <560b010908030846h1d0c2d74k60acdff99623a676@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Trs80 and I setup debian on one of the Sun Blade 150s we recently acquired from EECE. In keeping with the tradition of naming clubroom Suns after fish starting with S, Rufus selected the name Sidderrog [1]. The machine is setup with /away and user logins. As a reference, these boxes aren't happy with the xorg drivers that are bundled in Lenny. After much prodding Trs80 was able to get X to work by upgrading from Lenny to testing. At present X works but not much other than xdm is installed. As this box doesn't have a great deal of processor or memory, we probably want to think about whether or not we want to actually install desktop environments on it or have it connect via XDMCP to mersau. [JCF] [1] http://fishbase.org/ComNames/CommonNameSummary.php?autoctr=74446 From dunc+wheel at dunc.org Tue Aug 4 08:36:41 2009 From: dunc+wheel at dunc.org (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:36:41 +0800 Subject: [tech] Safety risk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you please unplug it, cut it in half, throw it away and use another one? Last thing we need is people making home repairs to kettle plugs. Legally you would need an electrician or someone with a plug licence to repair it or inspect the repair and tag the lead. Last thing we want is to trip a circuit breaker because some idiot wants to fry themselves between active and earth. ,dunc 2009/8/3 Luke Williams > Hi all, > > I just shocked myself on some exposed live wires coming from the rackmount > server above musdea. Since this clearly isn't safe (and I'm pretty sure it's > not legal either) I'm unplugging it. > > Can whoever installed this please insulate the wires before plugging it > back in. > > Thanks, > Luke > UCC Wheel Member > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20090804/946b4097/attachment.htm From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 4 09:32:49 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:32:49 +0800 Subject: [tech] Safety risk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090804093249.13456bhw5wzkaj7k@secure.ucc.asn.au> It was a Low voltage (Serial plug) that zapped, Probably just on the wrist or something where its more sensitive. I believe it was not a kettle plug, If there is repaired kettle plugs however i suggest we dispose of them. MK Quoting "Duncan Sargeant" : > Can you please unplug it, cut it in half, throw it away and use another > one? Last thing we need is people making home repairs to kettle plugs. > > Legally you would need an electrician or someone with a plug licence to > repair it or inspect the repair and tag the lead. > > Last thing we want is to trip a circuit breaker because some idiot wants to > fry themselves between active and earth. > > ,dunc > > 2009/8/3 Luke Williams > >> Hi all, >> >> I just shocked myself on some exposed live wires coming from the rackmount >> server above musdea. Since this clearly isn't safe (and I'm pretty sure it's >> not legal either) I'm unplugging it. >> >> Can whoever installed this please insulate the wires before plugging it >> back in. >> >> Thanks, >> Luke >> UCC Wheel Member >> >> >> > From danielax at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 11:00:41 2009 From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel J. Axtens) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:00:41 +0800 Subject: [tech] New Clubroom Machine: Sidderrog In-Reply-To: <560b010908030846h1d0c2d74k60acdff99623a676@mail.gmail.com> References: <560b010908030846h1d0c2d74k60acdff99623a676@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b86c8870908032000q47253d11q7261cd623d68c2e@mail.gmail.com> I was trying to install OpenSolaris with the help of [CJS] just after we got the machine, but I was getting bad magic number in disk label errors (or something to that effect, I forget the exact words). My suspicion was that the OpenBoot PROM was out of date and needed patching before it would load the CD. Did you have any issues with that, or did everything boot without any extra work? Thanks, [DJA] 2009/8/3 James French : > Hi All, > > Trs80 and I setup debian on one of the Sun Blade 150s we recently > acquired from EECE. In keeping with the tradition of naming clubroom > Suns after fish starting with S, Rufus selected the name Sidderrog > [1]. > > The machine is setup with /away and user logins. As a reference, these > boxes aren't happy with the xorg drivers that are bundled in Lenny. > After much prodding Trs80 was able to get X to work by upgrading from > Lenny to testing. > > At present X works but not much other than xdm is installed. As this > box doesn't have a great deal of processor or memory, we probably want > to think about whether or not we want to actually install desktop > environments on it or have it connect via XDMCP to mersau. > > [JCF] > > [1] http://fishbase.org/ComNames/CommonNameSummary.php?autoctr=74446 > > > From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 4 11:24:04 2009 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:24:04 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] New Clubroom Machine: Sidderrog In-Reply-To: <4b86c8870908032000q47253d11q7261cd623d68c2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <560b010908030846h1d0c2d74k60acdff99623a676@mail.gmail.com> <4b86c8870908032000q47253d11q7261cd623d68c2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Daniel J. Axtens wrote: > I was trying to install OpenSolaris with the help of [CJS] just after > we got the machine, but I was getting bad magic number in disk label > errors (or something to that effect, I forget the exact words). When you say OpenSolaris, do you mean Solaris Express Community Edition? IOW, was it one of the CDs floating around the machine room? Before Sun launched OpenSolaris 2008.05, OpenSolaris was what people commonly called SXCE. OpenSolaris 2009.06 can only be installed on SPARC via the automatic network installer which itself only runs on OS 2009.06: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2009.06/AIinstall/initial.html > My suspicion was that the OpenBoot PROM was out of date and needed > patching before it would load the CD. OpenSolaris 2009.06 does need OpenBoot PROM 4.17 for WANboot support. http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/advsearch.do?collection=PATCH&type=collections&queryKey5=119235&toDocument=yes is the latest version (4.17.1) available for the SunBlade 150. You should be able to extract it to /boot and then run "boot disk /flash-update-Blade100-Blade150-latest" or possibly "boot disk:a /flash-update-Blade100-Blade150-latest" > Did you have any issues with that, or did everything boot without any > extra work? It booted from the Debian CD without doing anything special. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From danielax at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 11:30:01 2009 From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel J. Axtens) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:30:01 +0800 Subject: [tech] New Clubroom Machine: Sidderrog In-Reply-To: References: <560b010908030846h1d0c2d74k60acdff99623a676@mail.gmail.com> <4b86c8870908032000q47253d11q7261cd623d68c2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b86c8870908032030k5e2320ddhd3877fd51fc9b56e@mail.gmail.com> > When you say OpenSolaris, do you mean Solaris Express Community Edition? > IOW, was it one of the CDs floating around the machine room? Before Sun > launched OpenSolaris 2008.05, OpenSolaris was what people commonly called > SXCE. > It was the auto net install cd referred to below. > OpenSolaris 2009.06 can only be installed on SPARC via the automatic > network installer which itself only runs on OS 2009.06: > http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2009.06/AIinstall/initial.html Aah. I was wrong about how it worked - I thought it booted from the CD then installed from the network, and I guess none of us read the notes very carefully. That would explain it - thanks. > OpenSolaris 2009.06 does need OpenBoot PROM 4.17 for WANboot support. > http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/advsearch.do?collection=PATCH&type=collections&queryKey5=119235&toDocument=yes > is the latest version (4.17.1) available for the SunBlade 150. You should > be able to extract it to /boot and then run > "boot disk /flash-update-Blade100-Blade150-latest" or possibly > "boot disk:a /flash-update-Blade100-Blade150-latest" > Noted - I might try OS on another Blade 150 that way. [DJA] From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 4 12:41:01 2009 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:41:01 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] ITS HAZARD: AARNET Internet router Message-ID: No-one suspects the brief outage! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:29:57 +0800 From: ITS Notices To: Tech-Contacts List , Subnet-Administrators List , Secretaries List Subject: ITS HAZARD: AARNET Internet router THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN SENT TO: The UWA mailing lists Tech-Contacts, Subnet-Administrators, Secretaries DESCRIPTION OF INCIDENT: AARNet & ITS will be installing new parts in the AARNET Internet router and there is a chance there could be a brief outage for up to ~ 5 mins but we are not expecting this. AFFECTED SYSTEM: If there is a brief outage it will effect access to the internet (outside of UWA) DATE: Friday 7th August TIME: Between 07:00 ? 08:00 Hours For further information on the above notice or general information regarding ITS, please email us at ithelp-its at uwa.edu.au or alternatively, contact us during regular working hours (8:00am-5:00pm) at 6488 1515. You can also find information regarding this notice in the news section on the IT Service Desk. Starting point is http://www.itservicedesk.uwa.edu.au/ From harrymc at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 4 13:44:47 2009 From: harrymc at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Harry) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:44:47 +0800 Subject: [tech] [ucc] Safety risk In-Reply-To: <20090804093249.13456bhw5wzkaj7k@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090804093249.13456bhw5wzkaj7k@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <4A77CACF.7040806@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Gah! Sent to the wrong list .. ------------------------------ I had an early laptop power brick where the DC output sat at 125V AC relative to earth when not connected. I've pondered if this was a fault or a capacitive coupling in the design between the AC and DC side. The brick had no earth connection and M.E.N. topology can't be relied on to have neutral at ground potential since the AC active and neutral can be reversed. The result was shocks (tingles) from serial to some other ground reference and, in my case, blowing the tops off CPLDs I was programming using a bitbanging JTAG interface on the parallel port. So, before discounting the issue as Luke being sensitive to RS232 levels, I suggest looking carefully at what he was touching and the equipment that the serial cable was connected to. There may be a fault in a PSU (especially on newly installed equipment) that is not tripping the RCD (if we have one?) but has the potential to degrade further and cause injury. I would use a high impedance digital voltmeter to measure between the serial cable signals and ground. Also measurement to the rack if Luke was leaning against that. All the best Harry mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > It was a Low voltage (Serial plug) that zapped, Probably just on the > wrist or something where its more sensitive. > > I believe it was not a kettle plug, If there is repaired kettle plugs > however i suggest we dispose of them. > > MK > > Quoting "Duncan Sargeant" : > >> Can you please unplug it, cut it in half, throw it away and use another >> one? Last thing we need is people making home repairs to kettle plugs. >> >> Legally you would need an electrician or someone with a plug licence to >> repair it or inspect the repair and tag the lead. >> >> Last thing we want is to trip a circuit breaker because some idiot >> wants to >> fry themselves between active and earth. >> >> ,dunc >> >> 2009/8/3 Luke Williams >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just shocked myself on some exposed live wires coming from the >>> rackmount >>> server above musdea. Since this clearly isn't safe (and I'm pretty >>> sure it's >>> not legal either) I'm unplugging it. >>> >>> Can whoever installed this please insulate the wires before plugging it >>> back in. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Luke >>> UCC Wheel Member >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > From soulscollective at mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 4 14:00:18 2009 From: soulscollective at mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (soulscollective) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:00:18 +0800 Subject: [tech] Broken CRTs Message-ID: <347331dd9a1b2f16bc6a539d8e2250c3@mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Jacob and I tested the whole pile of CRTs looted from the Physics skip, replaced the small crappy CRTs on the current UCC machines with the larger working ones, left the rest of the working ones on the bench in the corridor, and tossed the broken/partially broken ones back on the skip. Just FYI. Julian From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 4 19:53:38 2009 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:53:38 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] New Clubroom Machine: Sidderrog In-Reply-To: <560b010908030846h1d0c2d74k60acdff99623a676@mail.gmail.com> References: <560b010908030846h1d0c2d74k60acdff99623a676@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, James French wrote: > At present X works but not much other than xdm is installed. As this > box doesn't have a great deal of processor or memory, we probably want > to think about whether or not we want to actually install desktop > environments on it or have it connect via XDMCP to mersau. Currently iceweasel has a bus error on startup - http://bugs.debian.org/535092 and it's not that nice to use with GNOME in general. So XDMCP or LTSP/LDM is the way to go IMHO. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From shmookey at ucc.asn.au Thu Aug 6 22:26:26 2009 From: shmookey at ucc.asn.au (Luke Williams) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:26:26 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] New VM Server: sophocles Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've set up a VMWare ESXi server, sophocles, using one of the ex-Fugro servers. If you'd like to have a VM on it, or you'd like to have a poke around with ESXi, then let me know and I can probably hook you up. Luke UCC Wheel Member From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Aug 7 16:23:13 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:23:13 +0800 Subject: [tech] Judean - The Other Aicon Message-ID: <20090807162313.201049dbihbt52f4@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi All. As per discussion at this weeks Meeting I Have purchased a total of $9.95 (And 2 new hacksaws for UCC (2 for the price of 1) ) The De-Heating Box we call Judean Now has an exhaust vent connected to it that leads out of the MR/CH. Mitch From danielax at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 13:07:00 2009 From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel J. Axtens) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:07:00 +0800 Subject: [tech] NotUCC AP? Message-ID: <4b86c8870908112207l324bc5ffrdf6879d1e4682b08@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, In the clubroom today, my computer picked up a new 'NotUCC' secured access point. Does to belong to anyone in UCC? Thanks, Daniel Axtens [DJA] From splintax at ucc.asn.au Wed Aug 12 13:22:58 2009 From: splintax at ucc.asn.au (Scott Young) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:22:58 +0800 Subject: [tech] NotUCC AP? In-Reply-To: <4b86c8870908112207l324bc5ffrdf6879d1e4682b08@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b86c8870908112207l324bc5ffrdf6879d1e4682b08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ae2edda0908112222w2cb90044i7904c0f35bf6351f@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I picked this one up in the Ref earlier today and was wondering whose it was. [SJY] On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Daniel J. Axtens wrote: > Hi All, > > In the clubroom today, my computer picked up a new 'NotUCC' secured > access point. Does to belong to anyone in UCC? > > Thanks, > Daniel Axtens > [DJA] From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 12 13:35:03 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:35:03 +0800 Subject: [tech] NotUCC AP? In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0908112222w2cb90044i7904c0f35bf6351f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b86c8870908112207l324bc5ffrdf6879d1e4682b08@mail.gmail.com> <1ae2edda0908112222w2cb90044i7904c0f35bf6351f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090812133503.2692397kebdn5o5c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Sorry this is me. Its a High powered radio in the NextG (Mobile Broadband) Router. I will disable it, The AP is not connected to the UCC network but does have NextG Broadband on it. It was used for testing purposes yesterday. Mitch 'Quoting "Scott Young" : > Yeah, I picked this one up in the Ref earlier today and was wondering > whose it was. > > [SJY] > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Daniel J. Axtens wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> In the clubroom today, my computer picked up a new 'NotUCC' secured >> access point. Does to belong to anyone in UCC? >> >> Thanks, >> Daniel Axtens >> [DJA] > From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 12 17:40:50 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:40:50 +0800 Subject: [tech] VOIP - Mitch Project Message-ID: <20090812174050.63993fd9nizd9v0g@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi. Another project.. There is now a Voip Phone in UCC near the MR, This connects to Rome. Its Phone number is 08 6365 4806 (Testing Number from one of my spares) If anyone has ideas of Servers we could link it into (Freecall, Skype etc) then let me know. It can make outbound calls, But requires authentication by passkey. I intend on possibly linking this into dispense??? If anyone know this could be done please let me know. It has on the main screen: Welcome to UCC University Computer Club www.ucc.asn.au It runs off Asterisk 1.6.1 (rome).. Its next to the fingerprint reader, It could technically be possible to read a fingerprint and allow it to call... Hackery required... Mitch From danielax at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 17:15:25 2009 From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel J. Axtens) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:15:25 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> > Network: > - The Ubuntu port appears to now be permanently occupied by the VOIP phone, > this is not ideal. I got part way through wiring the phone directly into the machine room this afternoon, but had to leave for a lab. As I don't have MR keys, I haven't been able to finish yet; as such the phone is currently inoperable and the cable is not plugged into anything inside the MR yet. Sorry for any inconvenience. DJA From matt at didcoe.id.au Fri Aug 21 17:19:53 2009 From: matt at didcoe.id.au (Matt Didcoe) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:19:53 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13549861-128F-4DCB-8C9E-3DA22D9EA1A9@didcoe.id.au> Sorry, I've missed the discussion other than what's minuted, so why is this an issue? Every network port in the room now functions as an Ubuntu port IIRC. MRD On 21/08/2009, at 5:15 PM, Daniel J. Axtens wrote: >> Network: >> - The Ubuntu port appears to now be permanently occupied by the >> VOIP phone, >> this is not ideal. > > > I got part way through wiring the phone directly into the machine room > this afternoon, but had to leave for a lab. > > As I don't have MR keys, I haven't been able to finish yet; as such > the phone is currently inoperable and the cable is not plugged into > anything inside the MR yet. > > Sorry for any inconvenience. > DJA > > From danielax at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 17:29:44 2009 From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel J. Axtens) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:29:44 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b86c8870908210229k21969098s78a5081b811d09a0@mail.gmail.com> Shortly after sending that, [JCF] arrived with a MR key, so... Upon further investigation, the PoE module's power supply cable had been cut and another plug spliced onto it with black insulation tape. Somewhat concerned about this, I've left it disconnected pending further advice. The PoE module and suspect cable are in the MR. The Ubuntu on Tap port has been reconnected, as per committee meeting consensus. [DJA] 2009/8/21 Daniel J. Axtens : >> Network: >> - The Ubuntu port appears to now be permanently occupied by the VOIP phone, >> this is not ideal. > > > I got part way through wiring the phone directly into the machine room > this afternoon, but had to leave for a lab. > > As I don't have MR keys, I haven't been able to finish yet; as such > the phone is currently inoperable and the cable is not plugged into > anything inside the MR yet. > > Sorry for any inconvenience. > DJA > From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 22 10:25:10 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:25:10 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: <4b86c8870908210229k21969098s78a5081b811d09a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> <4b86c8870908210229k21969098s78a5081b811d09a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090822102510.628236gns5bi22h4@secure.ucc.asn.au> Whats next? How is a Low voltage power pack unsafe, Its Black electrical tape and the wires have been connected inside this. Its not like its going to kill you, Heck it wont even shock you. I give up doing projects at UCC anymore if this kind of shit is going to happen. Mitch Quoting "Daniel J. Axtens" : > Shortly after sending that, [JCF] arrived with a MR key, so... > > Upon further investigation, the PoE module's power supply cable had > been cut and another plug spliced onto it with black insulation tape. > Somewhat concerned about this, I've left it disconnected pending > further advice. The PoE module and suspect cable are in the MR. > > The Ubuntu on Tap port has been reconnected, as per committee > meeting consensus. > > [DJA] > > 2009/8/21 Daniel J. Axtens : >>> Network: >>> - The Ubuntu port appears to now be permanently occupied by the VOIP phone, >>> this is not ideal. >> >> >> I got part way through wiring the phone directly into the machine room >> this afternoon, but had to leave for a lab. >> >> As I don't have MR keys, I haven't been able to finish yet; as such >> the phone is currently inoperable and the cable is not plugged into >> anything inside the MR yet. >> >> Sorry for any inconvenience. >> DJA >> > From danielax at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 12:54:05 2009 From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel J. Axtens) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:54:05 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: <20090822102510.628236gns5bi22h4@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> <4b86c8870908210229k21969098s78a5081b811d09a0@mail.gmail.com> <20090822102510.628236gns5bi22h4@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <4b86c8870908212154q4c88169bu9171e493b4a2f6f1@mail.gmail.com> > How is a Low voltage power pack unsafe, Its Black electrical tape and the > wires have been connected inside this. Its not like its going to kill you, > Heck it wont even shock you. I disconnected it because I wasn't sure. If it's the consensus of the wheel group that it's acceptable, then so be it - like I said, I wasn't sure what's OK in the MR. [DJA] From matt at ucc.asn.au Sat Aug 22 12:55:39 2009 From: matt at ucc.asn.au (Matt Johnston) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:55:39 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: <20090822102510.628236gns5bi22h4@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> <4b86c8870908210229k21969098s78a5081b811d09a0@mail.gmail.com> <20090822102510.628236gns5bi22h4@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090822045538.GB14947@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:25:10AM +0800, mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Whats next? > > How is a Low voltage power pack unsafe, Its Black electrical tape and > the wires have been connected inside this. Its not like its going to > kill you, Heck it wont even shock you. Could it catch fire? ;) Matt From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 22 13:34:01 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:34:01 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: <20090822045538.GB14947@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> <4b86c8870908210229k21969098s78a5081b811d09a0@mail.gmail.com> <20090822102510.628236gns5bi22h4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090822045538.GB14947@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090822133401.52363246hy2l605c@secure.ucc.asn.au> With less than 400mA flowing through, The wires are soldered, And individually electrical taped then electrical tape over both. It would take some serious pulling to break them and short out, The cable would probably snap before the connection. Mitch Quoting "Matt Johnston" : > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:25:10AM +0800, mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >> Whats next? >> >> How is a Low voltage power pack unsafe, Its Black electrical tape and >> the wires have been connected inside this. Its not like its going to >> kill you, Heck it wont even shock you. > > Could it catch fire? ;) > > Matt > From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 22 14:42:10 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:42:10 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: <20090822045538.GB14947@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> <4b86c8870908210229k21969098s78a5081b811d09a0@mail.gmail.com> <20090822102510.628236gns5bi22h4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090822045538.GB14947@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090822144210.68724tlg6i4iti68@secure.ucc.asn.au> Further to this i have found a 240v Mains lead in the first rack (Closest to the window) taped to prevent shock using painters masking tape (now disintegrated) It has been disconnected, The tape looks like its seen better days and crumples when touched. As the terminals are spade plugs they are insulated with plastic, However one wrong move of someone could see them dead, Or the rack being electrified. Mitch Quoting "Matt Johnston" : > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:25:10AM +0800, mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >> Whats next? >> >> How is a Low voltage power pack unsafe, Its Black electrical tape and >> the wires have been connected inside this. Its not like its going to >> kill you, Heck it wont even shock you. > > Could it catch fire? ;) > > Matt > From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 22 18:26:35 2009 From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Lloyd) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:26:35 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: <20090822144210.68724tlg6i4iti68@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> <4b86c8870908210229k21969098s78a5081b811d09a0@mail.gmail.com> <20090822102510.628236gns5bi22h4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090822045538.GB14947@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090822144210.68724tlg6i4iti68@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: > Further to this i have found a 240v Mains lead in the first rack (Closest to > the window) taped to prevent shock using painters masking tape (now > disintegrated) clearly quite dangerous... should we do a safety audit of soe type at some stage??? from memory, the machine room is generally wired up pretty safely with regards to mains wiring though... [zar] From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 22 23:55:12 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:55:12 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] Minutes of Meeting 21st August 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <4b86c8870908210215r5d981204lb3c0847606f20979@mail.gmail.com> <4b86c8870908210229k21969098s78a5081b811d09a0@mail.gmail.com> <20090822102510.628236gns5bi22h4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090822045538.GB14947@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090822144210.68724tlg6i4iti68@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090822235512.107237igwpqc1o8w@secure.ucc.asn.au> I wouldn't say the daisy chain of powerboards is safe.. But thats just me. Quoting "Alwyn Lloyd" : > > >> Further to this i have found a 240v Mains lead in the first rack >> (Closest to the window) taped to prevent shock using painters >> masking tape (now disintegrated) > > clearly quite dangerous... > > should we do a safety audit of soe type at some stage??? from > memory, the machine room is generally wired up pretty safely with > regards to mains wiring though... > > [zar] > From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Aug 23 14:01:28 2009 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:01:28 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] Rancid Message-ID: At the instigation of wiki.ucc.asn.au/AdminProjects I set up RANCID (http://www.shrubbery.net/rancid/), which pulls the configurations of the Cisco switches and checks them into Subversion. It strips out the passwords and SNMP community strings first, so the data is public unless anyone has a good reason otherwise: http://cvs.ucc.asn.au/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/rancid/ucc/ or `svn co http://svn.ucc.asn.au:8080/rancid/ucc rancid` The HP Procurve doesn't have a scrapable interface, so that's not in the system yet. (I also fiddled with the Subversion configuration a bit - it's still kinda ugly, involving far too much layer 3 magic.) [DAA] From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Aug 23 16:57:15 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:57:15 +0800 Subject: [tech] TV antenna Message-ID: <20090823165715.877264mmz8dfqirk@secure.ucc.asn.au> There's a TV antenna sitting on top of the MR (Very light < 1kg) Im using it for TESTING and similar stuff to UniSA (http://wiki.unisa.edu.au/display/eResearch/Multicast) Its plugged into Rome via a Leadtek USB Hybrid Tv Tuner. Mitch From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 24 18:26:37 2009 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:26:37 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] IPv6 at increasing usage Message-ID: After my talk at tech-contacts last week, there was a bit of interest about IPv6, so I decided to see what was happening at UCC with IPv6. If you know what the current state of play, skip to the bottom. To recap - UCC is routed 2001:388:7094:4080::/54 (4080 - 40bf inclusive) from UWA. This used to go over a tunnel to AARNET's Sydney tunnel broker, but UWA now peers native IPv6 to AARNET. This makes the connection a fair bit faster and more reliable. We hand out IPv6 address to clients who will take them using RADVD on Madako, on the clubroom, the wireless and the loft network. As far as I know you don't get IPv6 on the VPN. Many machine room systems have IPv6 address, which are statically assigned. These are available in DNS using the ipv6.ucc zone (e.g. martello.ipv6.ucc.asn.au). There is no reverse DNS at this stage, although the delegation from AARNET to UWA exists. It would be nice to fix this, so I might file a ticket with ITS. We don't currently charge or get charged for IPv6 traffic - according to ITS this is likely to continue at least in the medium term. There is very little firewalling in the central firewall for IPv6. Manbo's IP is protected, but everything else is accepted. There is some firewalling on individual machines. Someone should probably fix this. It would be nicer to do it using something that synchronises the IPv4 and IPv6 port availability, but that may require The Great Firewall Rewrite. ---- Anyway, this is all a prelude to thinking about increasing our use of IPv6. Why? Because we can! 1. I was thinking about emailing Google to ask if we can get our subnet placed on Google's IPv6 list, so that requests to Google go over IPv6. See google.com/ipv6 2. We could put AAAA records back in for various hosts in the main ucc.asn.au/ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au domains. Our connectivity is now good enough that it is clients' networks who would be the problem. 3. David Adam UCC Wheel Member zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 24 18:37:37 2009 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:37:37 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] IPv6 at increasing usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, David Adam wrote: > Anyway, this is all a prelude to thinking about increasing our use of > IPv6. Why? Because we can! > > 1. I was thinking about emailing Google to ask if we can get our subnet > placed on Google's IPv6 list, so that requests to Google go over IPv6. See > google.com/ipv6 We'd also want squi^Wlusca IPv6 support for proxybox. > 2. We could put AAAA records back in for various hosts in the main > ucc.asn.au/ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au domains. Our connectivity is now good enough > that it is clients' networks who would be the problem. > > 3. AARNet apparently supports IPv6 multicast, which would be pretty cool to play around with, but presumably requires some work to be done by ITS. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 24 18:54:03 2009 From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:54:03 +0800 Subject: [tech] IPv6 at increasing usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090824105402.GE11254@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009, James Andrewartha wrote: > > 1. I was thinking about emailing Google to ask if we can get our subnet > > placed on Google's IPv6 list, so that requests to Google go over IPv6. See > > google.com/ipv6 > > We'd also want squi^Wlusca IPv6 support for proxybox. Could always run Squid-3.1 for the time being until I find the motivation to finish up HTTP IPv6 support. But that only matters if you want to enforce proxy usage for IPv6. It won't matter for transparent use. Adrian From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Aug 24 19:09:29 2009 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:09:29 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] IPv6 at increasing usage In-Reply-To: <20090824105402.GE11254@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20090824105402.GE11254@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009, James Andrewartha wrote: > > > > 1. I was thinking about emailing Google to ask if we can get our subnet > > > placed on Google's IPv6 list, so that requests to Google go over IPv6. See > > > google.com/ipv6 > > > > We'd also want squi^Wlusca IPv6 support for proxybox. > > Could always run Squid-3.1 for the time being until I find the motivation > to finish up HTTP IPv6 support. > > But that only matters if you want to enforce proxy usage for IPv6. > It won't matter for transparent use. Oh yeah. And we don't need to transproxy IPv6 because it'll be fast, whereas we do for resnet because it's shit. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 25 17:14:08 2009 From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:14:08 +0800 Subject: [tech] IPv6 at increasing usage In-Reply-To: References: <20090824105402.GE11254@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090825091408.GF11254@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009, James Andrewartha wrote: > Oh yeah. And we don't need to transproxy IPv6 because it'll be fast, > whereas we do for resnet because it's shit. Just FYI, some random club member asked me on Saturday why the "internet is slow". I don't think they emailed the UCC list like I suggested they do. Adrian From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 26 18:20:29 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:20:29 +0800 Subject: [tech] New PC Message-ID: <20090826182029.38945nzsmk0cyohc@secure.ucc.asn.au> There is a New PC in UCC. It has a LCD and is: 2.8Ghz P4 / 800Mhz FSB 2048Mb Ram 80Gb SATA Drive It will run Windows 7 Ultimate (With Legit Key from Microsoft) It will also be kensington locked to the desk. Zanchey and Frenchie have the code to unlock it. Mitch From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 26 22:36:06 2009 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:36:06 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] IPv6 at increasing usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, David Adam wrote: > 3. Do all the steps that are part of http://ipv6.he.net/certification/ -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 26 23:15:55 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:15:55 +0800 Subject: [tech] New PC In-Reply-To: <20090826182029.38945nzsmk0cyohc@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090826182029.38945nzsmk0cyohc@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090826231555.10234tfo66v7f9mo@secure.ucc.asn.au> This box is temporally out of action as Windows 7 join the samba domain. Working on a way around it.. Quoting mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: > There is a New PC in UCC. It has a LCD and is: > 2.8Ghz P4 / 800Mhz FSB > 2048Mb Ram > 80Gb SATA Drive > > It will run Windows 7 Ultimate (With Legit Key from Microsoft) > > It will also be kensington locked to the desk. Zanchey and Frenchie > have the code to unlock it. > > Mitch > From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Aug 27 07:55:04 2009 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:55:04 +0800 Subject: [tech] Key/code register, was Re: New PC In-Reply-To: <20090826182029.38945nzsmk0cyohc@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090826182029.38945nzsmk0cyohc@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090826235503.GE10747@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 06:20:29PM +0800, mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > There is a New PC in UCC. It has a LCD and is: > 2.8Ghz P4 / 800Mhz FSB > 2048Mb Ram > 80Gb SATA Drive > > It will run Windows 7 Ultimate (With Legit Key from Microsoft) Excellent, thanks! > It will also be kensington locked to the desk. Zanchey and Frenchie have > the code to unlock it. Could you update the key register with that info? http://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/keys.ucc /services/http/infobase/keys.ucc is under revision control, but the latest few changes, since 2007, haven't been checked in - be sure to copy these files to make sure that the last change is recorded before adding the latest change. -r--r--r--+ 1 http www-data 62832 Aug 10 2007 RCS/keys.ucc,v -rw-rw-r--+ 1 http www-data 10512 Aug 11 17:07 keys.ucc (To fix that up, RCS check-in, check-out, diff: ci filename co filename (to get an unlocked visible copy) co -l filename (checkout a locked copy to edit it) rcsdiff filename rcsdiff -u filename ) I think [M12] made a change during 2008, after this: -rw-rw-r--+ 1 http www-data 9312 Jun 5 2008 /services/http/infobase/keys.ucc Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick-sig at rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Aug 27 13:50:51 2009 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:50:51 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector Message-ID: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi All, I was having a look at the old projector, pondering whether it would be possible to substitute ultra bright LED's for the lamp. That's when I found the following note in the manual, and I was wondering if anyone can confirm the lamp ACTUALLY blew up: Interval of the lamp replacement: The interval of the lamp replacement about 1,500 hours of consecutive use. Replacement span may differ according to operating environment, and may be shorter than 1,500 hours. Decreases in luminescence and/or color brightness will indi- cate that the light source lamp needs to be replaced. When lamp operation time exceeds 1,000 hours*, the indicator will flash alternately between green and red (while the lamp is in operation; when the lamp is not in operation, the indi- cator will appear red only). When the lamp has been used for about 1,400 hours*, the message ?LAMP!!.? will appear on the screen for one minute everytime the power is turned on. When the lamp has been used for about 1,500 hours*, the projector will automatically shut off for safety and the power indicator light will be red. The projector cannot be used until the lamp has been replaced and operation timer has been reset. Incidentally, this is exactly what is happening. My next question would be, does anyone object to me pulling it apart and resetting the operation timer or investigating the use of LED's. Bob From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Aug 27 13:55:28 2009 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:55:28 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector In-Reply-To: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> Actually, cancel that request, I found out how to do it from the control panel, to no effect. Bob Quoting bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: > Hi All, > > I was having a look at the old projector, pondering whether it would > be possible to substitute ultra bright LED's for the lamp. That's > when I found the following note in the manual, and I was wondering > if anyone can confirm the lamp ACTUALLY blew up: > > Interval of the lamp replacement: > The interval of the lamp replacement about 1,500 hours of > consecutive use. Replacement span may differ according to > operating environment, and may be shorter than 1,500 hours. > Decreases in luminescence and/or color brightness will indi- > cate that the light source lamp needs to be replaced. When > lamp operation time exceeds 1,000 hours*, the indicator > will flash alternately between green and red (while the lamp > is in operation; when the lamp is not in operation, the indi- > cator will appear red only). When the lamp has been used > for about 1,400 hours*, the message ?LAMP!!.? will appear > on the screen for one minute everytime the power is turned > on. When the lamp has been used for about 1,500 hours*, > the projector will automatically shut off for safety and the > power indicator light will be red. The projector cannot be > used until the lamp has been replaced and operation timer > has been reset. > > Incidentally, this is exactly what is happening. My next question > would be, does anyone object to me pulling it apart and resetting > the operation timer or investigating the use of LED's. > > Bob > From blinken at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 14:00:06 2009 From: blinken at gmail.com (Patrick Coleman) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:00:06 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector In-Reply-To: <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <603140b60908262300r4302c7b8v6ed7be2f219ca6b1@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: > Actually, cancel that request, I found out how to do it from the control > panel, to no effect. > Bob Also, resetting the timer is kinda dangerous, because they do explode and spew out nasty chemicals if misused (as anyone who went to a PLUG seminar a few months ago can attest). The timer is a safety thing. If the lamp blew up or expired it's likely the projector itself is ok, if you can find a replacement lamp. Alternately, I've got a few projectors as part of that computer angels shipment that UCC can have, though they are low-res (800x600 or possibly some 1024x768 ones). -Patrick -- http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Aug 27 14:21:56 2009 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:21:56 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector In-Reply-To: <603140b60908262300r4302c7b8v6ed7be2f219ca6b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <603140b60908262300r4302c7b8v6ed7be2f219ca6b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090827142156.12225an2o6u7ovsw@secure.ucc.asn.au> Turned out the problem was just a missing cover. The projector has a sensor for this, which when the cover is missing, won't allow the projector to start. It works now. Some of us were chatting in the clubroom about the possibility of members being able to borrow the projectors for a small fee, so if there were multiple projectors this could perhaps work. Bob Quoting "Patrick Coleman" : > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: >> Actually, cancel that request, I found out how to do it from the control >> panel, to no effect. >> Bob > > Also, resetting the timer is kinda dangerous, because they do explode > and spew out nasty chemicals if misused (as anyone who went to a PLUG > seminar a few months ago can attest). The timer is a safety thing. > > If the lamp blew up or expired it's likely the projector itself is ok, > if you can find a replacement lamp. Alternately, I've got a few > projectors as part of that computer angels shipment that UCC can have, > though they are low-res (800x600 or possibly some 1024x768 ones). > > -Patrick > > -- > http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting > From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Aug 27 14:31:47 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:31:47 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector In-Reply-To: <20090827142156.12225an2o6u7ovsw@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <603140b60908262300r4302c7b8v6ed7be2f219ca6b1@mail.gmail.com> <20090827142156.12225an2o6u7ovsw@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090827143147.14077iw6uc1wl9q8@secure.ucc.asn.au> I had an idea of using LED's, But not sure if you could provide enough light to do it, The highest MCD leds i could find where 40,000MCD Pure White, they retail for $3.90 Each.. And you would probably need 100+ to get any sort of decent output. But still Much cheaper than replacing the globe every 1500hrs. :) Mitch Quoting bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: > Turned out the problem was just a missing cover. The projector has a > sensor for this, which when the cover is missing, won't allow the > projector to start. It works now. Some of us were chatting in the > clubroom about the possibility of members being able to borrow the > projectors for a small fee, so if there were multiple projectors > this could perhaps work. > > Bob > > > Quoting "Patrick Coleman" : > >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: >>> Actually, cancel that request, I found out how to do it from the control >>> panel, to no effect. >>> Bob >> >> Also, resetting the timer is kinda dangerous, because they do explode >> and spew out nasty chemicals if misused (as anyone who went to a PLUG >> seminar a few months ago can attest). The timer is a safety thing. >> >> If the lamp blew up or expired it's likely the projector itself is ok, >> if you can find a replacement lamp. Alternately, I've got a few >> projectors as part of that computer angels shipment that UCC can have, >> though they are low-res (800x600 or possibly some 1024x768 ones). >> >> -Patrick >> >> -- >> http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting >> > > From spectre at ucc.asn.au Thu Aug 27 14:34:18 2009 From: spectre at ucc.asn.au (Justin Wake) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:34:18 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector In-Reply-To: <20090827143147.14077iw6uc1wl9q8@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <603140b60908262300r4302c7b8v6ed7be2f219ca6b1@mail.gmail.com> <20090827142156.12225an2o6u7ovsw@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827143147.14077iw6uc1wl9q8@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <297CD389-4B78-4765-8D86-C1BD79F24DF1@ucc.asn.au> That's what the big 3W and 5W Luxeon and Cree LEDs are for. Might be okay for use in a dark room and relatively low brightness, I guess. On 27/08/2009, at 2:31 PM, mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > I had an idea of using LED's, But not sure if you could provide > enough light to do it, The highest MCD leds i could find where > 40,000MCD Pure White, they retail for $3.90 Each.. And you would > probably need 100+ to get any sort of decent output. > > But still Much cheaper than replacing the globe every 1500hrs. :) > > Mitch > > Quoting bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: > >> Turned out the problem was just a missing cover. The projector has >> a sensor for this, which when the cover is missing, won't allow the >> projector to start. It works now. Some of us were chatting in the >> clubroom about the possibility of members being able to borrow the >> projectors for a small fee, so if there were multiple projectors >> this could perhaps work. >> >> Bob >> >> >> Quoting "Patrick Coleman" : >> >>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: >>>> Actually, cancel that request, I found out how to do it from the >>>> control >>>> panel, to no effect. >>>> Bob >>> >>> Also, resetting the timer is kinda dangerous, because they do >>> explode >>> and spew out nasty chemicals if misused (as anyone who went to a >>> PLUG >>> seminar a few months ago can attest). The timer is a safety thing. >>> >>> If the lamp blew up or expired it's likely the projector itself is >>> ok, >>> if you can find a replacement lamp. Alternately, I've got a few >>> projectors as part of that computer angels shipment that UCC can >>> have, >>> though they are low-res (800x600 or possibly some 1024x768 ones). >>> >>> -Patrick >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting >>> >> >> > From dunc+wheel at dunc.org Thu Aug 27 14:36:38 2009 From: dunc+wheel at dunc.org (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:36:38 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector In-Reply-To: <20090827142156.12225an2o6u7ovsw@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <603140b60908262300r4302c7b8v6ed7be2f219ca6b1@mail.gmail.com> <20090827142156.12225an2o6u7ovsw@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: Did/could you reset the hour counter back to where it was? ,dunc 2009/8/27 > Turned out the problem was just a missing cover. The projector has a sensor > for this, which when the cover is missing, won't allow the projector to > start. It works now. Some of us were chatting in the clubroom about the > possibility of members being able to borrow the projectors for a small fee, > so if there were multiple projectors this could perhaps work. > > Bob > > > > Quoting "Patrick Coleman" : > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: >> >>> Actually, cancel that request, I found out how to do it from the control >>> panel, to no effect. >>> Bob >>> >> >> Also, resetting the timer is kinda dangerous, because they do explode >> and spew out nasty chemicals if misused (as anyone who went to a PLUG >> seminar a few months ago can attest). The timer is a safety thing. >> >> If the lamp blew up or expired it's likely the projector itself is ok, >> if you can find a replacement lamp. Alternately, I've got a few >> projectors as part of that computer angels shipment that UCC can have, >> though they are low-res (800x600 or possibly some 1024x768 ones). >> >> -Patrick >> >> -- >> http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20090827/4debdad1/attachment.htm From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Aug 27 14:37:30 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:37:30 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector In-Reply-To: <297CD389-4B78-4765-8D86-C1BD79F24DF1@ucc.asn.au> References: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <603140b60908262300r4302c7b8v6ed7be2f219ca6b1@mail.gmail.com> <20090827142156.12225an2o6u7ovsw@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827143147.14077iw6uc1wl9q8@secure.ucc.asn.au> <297CD389-4B78-4765-8D86-C1BD79F24DF1@ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090827143730.90225a9z1ir290n4@secure.ucc.asn.au> But still, Most projector lamps are atleast 70W, Thats alot of luxeon LED's.. Ahd iirc those LED's arent small. I have a spare 70W Globe at at home we could possibly hack up to work Quoting "Justin Wake" : > That's what the big 3W and 5W Luxeon and Cree LEDs are for. Might be > okay for use in a dark room and relatively low brightness, I guess. > > On 27/08/2009, at 2:31 PM, mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > >> I had an idea of using LED's, But not sure if you could provide >> enough light to do it, The highest MCD leds i could find where >> 40,000MCD Pure White, they retail for $3.90 Each.. And you would >> probably need 100+ to get any sort of decent output. >> >> But still Much cheaper than replacing the globe every 1500hrs. :) >> >> Mitch >> >> Quoting bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: >> >>> Turned out the problem was just a missing cover. The projector has >>> a sensor for this, which when the cover is missing, won't allow >>> the projector to start. It works now. Some of us were chatting in >>> the clubroom about the possibility of members being able to borrow >>> the projectors for a small fee, so if there were multiple >>> projectors this could perhaps work. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> Quoting "Patrick Coleman" : >>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: >>>>> Actually, cancel that request, I found out how to do it from the control >>>>> panel, to no effect. >>>>> Bob >>>> >>>> Also, resetting the timer is kinda dangerous, because they do explode >>>> and spew out nasty chemicals if misused (as anyone who went to a PLUG >>>> seminar a few months ago can attest). The timer is a safety thing. >>>> >>>> If the lamp blew up or expired it's likely the projector itself is ok, >>>> if you can find a replacement lamp. Alternately, I've got a few >>>> projectors as part of that computer angels shipment that UCC can have, >>>> though they are low-res (800x600 or possibly some 1024x768 ones). >>>> >>>> -Patrick >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting >>>> >>> >>> >> > From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Aug 27 14:46:28 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:46:28 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector In-Reply-To: References: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <603140b60908262300r4302c7b8v6ed7be2f219ca6b1@mail.gmail.com> <20090827142156.12225an2o6u7ovsw@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090827144628.749945m138gugbeo@secure.ucc.asn.au> I wouldnt think you could. If its not safe to run i dont think we should be using it, I have seen projectors catch on fire a few times due to people using the globes longer than recommended.. It wouldn't be safe to use IMO if we dont know how long is on the bulb Resetting it is like turning back the odometer on your car, It looks like it works but will eventually explode/break down. The timers are there for a reason, And that reason is not to be ignored. Quoting "Duncan Sargeant" : > Did/could you reset the hour counter back to where it was? > > ,dunc > > 2009/8/27 > >> Turned out the problem was just a missing cover. The projector has a sensor >> for this, which when the cover is missing, won't allow the projector to >> start. It works now. Some of us were chatting in the clubroom about the >> possibility of members being able to borrow the projectors for a small fee, >> so if there were multiple projectors this could perhaps work. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> Quoting "Patrick Coleman" : >> >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, cancel that request, I found out how to do it from the control >>>> panel, to no effect. >>>> Bob >>>> >>> >>> Also, resetting the timer is kinda dangerous, because they do explode >>> and spew out nasty chemicals if misused (as anyone who went to a PLUG >>> seminar a few months ago can attest). The timer is a safety thing. >>> >>> If the lamp blew up or expired it's likely the projector itself is ok, >>> if you can find a replacement lamp. Alternately, I've got a few >>> projectors as part of that computer angels shipment that UCC can have, >>> though they are low-res (800x600 or possibly some 1024x768 ones). >>> >>> -Patrick >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > From dunc+wheel at dunc.org Thu Aug 27 15:28:13 2009 From: dunc+wheel at dunc.org (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:28:13 +0800 Subject: [tech] Projector In-Reply-To: <20090827144628.749945m138gugbeo@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090827135051.11523llqik7cxu4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827135528.12256jimxhjg2e4g@secure.ucc.asn.au> <603140b60908262300r4302c7b8v6ed7be2f219ca6b1@mail.gmail.com> <20090827142156.12225an2o6u7ovsw@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090827144628.749945m138gugbeo@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: I thought bob already reset to zero. I meant reverse that reset, wind the k's back on so to speak. ,dunc 2009/8/27 > I wouldnt think you could. If its not safe to run i dont think we should be > using it, I have seen projectors catch on fire a few times due to people > using the globes longer than recommended.. It wouldn't be safe to use IMO if > we dont know how long is on the bulb > > Resetting it is like turning back the odometer on your car, It looks like > it works but will eventually explode/break down. The timers are there for a > reason, And that reason is not to be ignored. > > > > Quoting "Duncan Sargeant" >: > > Did/could you reset the hour counter back to where it was? >> >> ,dunc >> >> 2009/8/27 >> >> Turned out the problem was just a missing cover. The projector has a >>> sensor >>> for this, which when the cover is missing, won't allow the projector to >>> start. It works now. Some of us were chatting in the clubroom about the >>> possibility of members being able to borrow the projectors for a small >>> fee, >>> so if there were multiple projectors this could perhaps work. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting "Patrick Coleman" : >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Actually, cancel that request, I found out how to do it from the >>>>> control >>>>> panel, to no effect. >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Also, resetting the timer is kinda dangerous, because they do explode >>>> and spew out nasty chemicals if misused (as anyone who went to a PLUG >>>> seminar a few months ago can attest). The timer is a safety thing. >>>> >>>> If the lamp blew up or expired it's likely the projector itself is ok, >>>> if you can find a replacement lamp. Alternately, I've got a few >>>> projectors as part of that computer angels shipment that UCC can have, >>>> though they are low-res (800x600 or possibly some 1024x768 ones). >>>> >>>> -Patrick >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20090827/52ba09f1/attachment.htm From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Aug 27 21:27:38 2009 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:27:38 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] musundo upgrade Message-ID: Tonight's downtime was because I put another fibre channel card (a QLogic QLA2200) in musundo and connected one of the disk shelves to it, which will hopefully improve performance since each half of the RAID1 is on a different controller now. Unfortunately I didn't think to take any benchmarks beforehand. Thanks to [FEL] for lending a hand, and (I think) [JCF] for some time ago providing the fibre channel MIA that converts 9 pin FC to SC multimode fibre. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Aug 28 23:49:19 2009 From: mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mitch at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:49:19 +0800 Subject: [tech] CRO Message-ID: <20090828234919.16045wfoaj2zunb4@secure.ucc.asn.au> I have borrowed the CRO from Trent L to do some testing with. If you need it in the next few days ill gladly return it Monday Mitch