From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Mar  1 13:31:13 2009
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:31:13 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Nautilus and OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <d1381ac60902261832v640a161at2be64c215265fa6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1381ac60902261832v640a161at2be64c215265fa6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903011324490.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, James Cox wrote:
> Does anybody remember rightly whether Nautilus still has Mac OS X
> Server v1.2 installed? I think it must still also have its 10.2
> partition from when it was retired, too.

Nautilus (which is at enterprise.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au and seems to think it's 
called Bow) is currently running Mac OS Z1-9.1. In the Startup Disk 
control panel, I can select from that or an HFS+ partition containing Mac 
OS X 10.1.5. There don't appear to be any other partitions attached.

It's accessible over VNC but it's pretty slow :-) I think that's the 
machine I never managed to get the mirror driver running on.

David Adam
UCC Wheel Member
zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

From alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Mar  5 23:08:18 2009
From: alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alastair Irvine)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:08:18 +0900
Subject: [tech] https://secure.ucc.asn.au/openid broken
Message-ID: <20090305140818.GA29949@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Gives an Internal Server Error.  Can someone please check the logs
and see what's going wrong?

-- 
... From McGill's dictionary of euphemisms: Eating sushi off the barber shop floor
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From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Mar  6 01:17:29 2009
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 01:17:29 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] https://secure.ucc.asn.au/openid broken
In-Reply-To: <20090305140818.GA29949@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <20090305140818.GA29949@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903060113130.9041@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Alastair Irvine wrote:

> Gives an Internal Server Error.  Can someone please check the logs
> and see what's going wrong?

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/services/http-openid/cgi-bin/uccid.fcgi", line 21, in <module>
    import web, cgi
  File "/home/wheel/sj26/lib/python/site-packages/web/__init__.py", line 14, in <module>
    import utils, db, net, wsgi, http, webapi, request, sessionservice, httpserver, debugerror
  File "/home/wheel/sj26/lib/python/site-packages/web/sessionservice.py", line 3, in <module>
    import flup.middleware.session as flup
ImportError: No module named middleware.session
[Thu Mar 05 23:32:01 2009] [warn] (104)Connection reset by peer: mod_fcgid: read data from fastcgi server error.
[Thu Mar 05 23:32:01 2009] [error] [client 202.89.167.243] Premature end of script headers: uccid.fcgi
[Thu Mar 05 23:32:03 2009] [notice] mod_fcgid: process /services/http-openid/cgi-bin/uccid.fcgi(8817) exit(communication error), terminated by calling exit(), return code: 1

This happened when mussel was upgraded to lenny, as session support was 
removed from flup: 
http://www.saddi.com/software/news/archives/58-flup-1.0-released.html

The options are either fix it or move to a different OpenID server, like 
gracie (which I've installed on mussel but haven't configured for UCC).

-- 
# TRS-80              trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \
# UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
[ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
[  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /

From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Mar  6 10:24:02 2009
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:24:02 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] https://secure.ucc.asn.au/openid broken
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903060113130.9041@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <20090305140818.GA29949@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903060113130.9041@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903061022260.5476@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, James Andrewartha wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Alastair Irvine wrote:
> 
> > Gives an Internal Server Error.  Can someone please check the logs
> > and see what's going wrong?
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/services/http-openid/cgi-bin/uccid.fcgi", line 21, in <module>
>     import web, cgi
>   File "/home/wheel/sj26/lib/python/site-packages/web/__init__.py", line 14, in <module>
>     import utils, db, net, wsgi, http, webapi, request, sessionservice, httpserver, debugerror
>   File "/home/wheel/sj26/lib/python/site-packages/web/sessionservice.py", line 3, in <module>
>     import flup.middleware.session as flup
> ImportError: No module named middleware.session
> [Thu Mar 05 23:32:01 2009] [warn] (104)Connection reset by peer: mod_fcgid: read data from fastcgi server error.
> [Thu Mar 05 23:32:01 2009] [error] [client 202.89.167.243] Premature end of script headers: uccid.fcgi
> [Thu Mar 05 23:32:03 2009] [notice] mod_fcgid: process /services/http-openid/cgi-bin/uccid.fcgi(8817) exit(communication error), terminated by calling exit(), return code: 1
> 
> This happened when mussel was upgraded to lenny, as session support was 
> removed from flup: 
> http://www.saddi.com/software/news/archives/58-flup-1.0-released.html
> 
> The options are either fix it or move to a different OpenID server, like 
> gracie (which I've installed on mussel but haven't configured for UCC).

[DAA] found gracie crashes when you don't enter a password, a lovely DoS.
He then suggested downgrading flup, which worked, so OpenID is up again.

-- 
# TRS-80              trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \
# UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
[ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
[  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /

From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sat Mar  7 16:52:16 2009
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:52:16 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Martello and Madako upgraded to Debian 5.0 (lenny)
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903071306320.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Martello and Madako have both been upgraded to the new stable version of 
Debian (lenny or 5.0). Ask [TRS] if you have problems with the former and 
me with the latter.

David Adam
UCC Wheel Member
zanchey@

From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sat Mar  7 23:49:54 2009
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 23:49:54 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Martello and Madako upgraded to Debian 5.0 (lenny)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903071306320.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903071306320.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903072340040.23377@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Sat, 7 Mar 2009, David Adam wrote:

> Martello and Madako have both been upgraded to the new stable version of 
> Debian (lenny or 5.0). Ask [TRS] if you have problems with the former and 
> me with the latter.

madako got very unhappy thanks to pimd and stopped opening new sockets. It 
was still routing, but DHCP and samba stopped working, so [RVS] and I 
rebooted it. It'd been up for just over 469 days, which must be some kind 
of UCC record.

-- 
# TRS-80              trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \
# UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
[ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
[  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /

From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Mar  8 01:52:33 2009
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:52:33 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Martello and Madako upgraded to Debian 5.0 (lenny)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903072340040.23377@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903071306320.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903072340040.23377@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903080150040.4704@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Sat, 7 Mar 2009, James Andrewartha wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Mar 2009, David Adam wrote:
> 
> > Martello and Madako have both been upgraded to the new stable version of 
> > Debian (lenny or 5.0). Ask [TRS] if you have problems with the former and 
> > me with the latter.
> 
> madako got very unhappy thanks to pimd and stopped opening new sockets. It 
> was still routing, but DHCP and samba stopped working, so [RVS] and I 
> rebooted it. It'd been up for just over 469 days, which must be some kind 
> of UCC record.

Fuck, I did it again. For the record, do not try and stop pimd with the 
current kernel.

-- 
# TRS-80              trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \
# UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
[ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
[  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /

From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Mar  9 11:13:28 2009
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:13:28 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Martello and Madako upgraded to Debian 5.0 (lenny)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903071306320.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903071306320.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903091111490.17335@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Sat, 7 Mar 2009, David Adam wrote:

> Martello and Madako have both been upgraded to the new stable version of 
> Debian (lenny or 5.0). Ask [TRS] if you have problems with the former and 
> me with the latter.

Other things - on martello, VendServer needed a restart so NSS worked, and 
on madako the route for proxybox doesn't come back on reboot, so run
ip rule add from all fwmark 4 table proxy
ip route add default via 130.95.13.22 table proxy

-- 
# TRS-80              trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \
# UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
[ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
[  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /

From shmookey at ucc.asn.au  Wed Mar 11 00:53:28 2009
From: shmookey at ucc.asn.au (Luke Williams)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:53:28 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] New website proposal (Or: How to beat a dead horse)
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi everyone,

I've been working on a new design and back-end for the UCC website based on the complaints I've heard about the current one and suggestions I've heard for future ones.

Here's my pitch: design-wise, it drops the rapidly-aging header graphic from the old website and provides a range of quick-access links in the header - users shouldn't have to 'dig around' on the site to find something. On the back-end I'm using ikiwiki backed onto git: it's fast and stable (because it generates static html) and because it uses a conventional revision-control system, you can check out the sources and edit it in whichever editor you like. For quick updates, you can also edit in browser. Of course, it brings all the well-understood power of a wiki to the site too, and has a design created from scratch with free software.

What I haven't addressed yet are the domain-specific issues: content and structure. I present to you my proposal for a new UCC site structure (which is really not that different from the old one) as a wiki page on the site in development itself: http://ucc.asn.au/ver2/sitemap/

Note that this is a design only and most of the links don't work and header doesn't reflect the currently selected page. The 'edit' link does work and presently uses OpenID and local ikiwiki accounts for authentication.

Feedback from IRC has been mostly positive, the most common complaint being about the design: that the text is too small. I haven't used a desktop in two months, so I'm not in much of a position to comment, but minor cosmetic changes aside - do you think this new design, structure and backend will work for a replacement UCC website?

I'm not sure how reliable (read: existent) my internet access is going to be in the next few days as I rough it on cheap transport through southern Thailand, so I might not be able to reply/defend my choices/throw a hissyfit and threaten to leave the club as quickly as you're used to in discussions like this. So: have at it, tell me what you like and what you don't like - check out the sources if you'd like to have a play around (they're on mussel:/usr/local/git/ucc-site) and let's see if we can get the ball rolling on an update to the website again!

Luke


From jacques at chester.id.au  Wed Mar 11 08:55:05 2009
From: jacques at chester.id.au (Jacques Chester)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:55:05 +0900
Subject: [tech] New website proposal (Or: How to beat a dead horse)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CC3E699F-5E6C-47D2-B498-E84B88BB422C@chester.id.au>

I think it looks good, will load fast and ikiwiki sounds like a neat,
simple system.


In the words of Slashdotters, K5ers and Redditors everywhere: +1




On 11/03/2009, at 12:53 AM, Luke Williams wrote:

<snippety>


From coxymla at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 09:25:36 2009
From: coxymla at gmail.com (James Cox)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:25:36 +0900
Subject: [tech] New website proposal (Or: How to beat a dead horse)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <d1381ac60903101725x11925707tcebba0340f796220@mail.gmail.com>

I like the layout, pretty much!

My only complaints are the Steam-alike colour scheme, and the abuse of
tabs-as-links across the top (unless you do intend for them to be
ajaxy/iframe based tabs.)

~Coxy

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Luke Williams <shmookey at ucc.asn.au> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've been working on a new design and back-end for the UCC website based on
> the complaints I've heard about the current one and suggestions I've heard
> for future ones.
>
> Here's my pitch: design-wise, it drops the rapidly-aging header graphic from
> the old website and provides a range of quick-access links in the header -
> users shouldn't have to 'dig around' on the site to find something. On the
> back-end I'm using ikiwiki backed onto git: it's fast and stable (because it
> generates static html) and because it uses a conventional revision-control
> system, you can check out the sources and edit it in whichever editor you
> like. For quick updates, you can also edit in browser. Of course, it brings
> all the well-understood power of a wiki to the site too, and has a design
> created from scratch with free software.
>
> What I haven't addressed yet are the domain-specific issues: content and
> structure. I present to you my proposal for a new UCC site structure (which
> is really not that different from the old one) as a wiki page on the site in
> development itself: http://ucc.asn.au/ver2/sitemap/
>
> Note that this is a design only and most of the links don't work and header
> doesn't reflect the currently selected page. The 'edit' link does work and
> presently uses OpenID and local ikiwiki accounts for authentication.
>
> Feedback from IRC has been mostly positive, the most common complaint being
> about the design: that the text is too small. I haven't used a desktop in
> two months, so I'm not in much of a position to comment, but minor cosmetic
> changes aside - do you think this new design, structure and backend will
> work for a replacement UCC website?
>
> I'm not sure how reliable (read: existent) my internet access is going to be
> in the next few days as I rough it on cheap transport through southern
> Thailand, so I might not be able to reply/defend my choices/throw a hissyfit
> and threaten to leave the club as quickly as you're used to in discussions
> like this. So: have at it, tell me what you like and what you don't like -
> check out the sources if you'd like to have a play around (they're on
> mussel:/usr/local/git/ucc-site) and let's see if we can get the ball rolling
> on an update to the website again!
>
> Luke
>
>
>


From tech at ucc.asn.au  Thu Mar 12 20:47:26 2009
From: tech at ucc.asn.au (Today)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:47:26 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] [SPAM] JL: The secrets of court love affairs are revealed!
Message-ID: <20090312174729.2527.qmail@mycomputer>

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From mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Mar 13 00:26:27 2009
From: mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:26:27 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] New website proposal (Or: How to beat a dead horse)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0903130023430.27977@pout.bentwood.tearle.com>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Luke Williams wrote:

*new website stuff*

>
>
> Feedback from IRC has been mostly positive, the most common complaint being 
> about the design: that the text is too small. I haven't used a desktop in two 
> months, so I'm not in much of a position to comment, but minor cosmetic 
> changes aside - do you think this new design, structure and backend will work 
> for a replacement UCC website?
>

Speaking as the person who set up the very first UCC website ...

I think we've got a winner both technically and usability wise for UCC.


That said, don't break the URLs and things will be good.
http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI


Making it so,

Mark
-- 
Mark Tearle - mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

Fish!


From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Mar 13 07:47:24 2009
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:47:24 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] New website proposal (Or: How to beat a dead horse)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0903130023430.27977@pout.bentwood.tearle.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0903130023430.27977@pout.bentwood.tearle.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903130745230.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Mark Tearle wrote:
> Speaking as the person who set up the very first UCC website ...
> 
> I think we've got a winner both technically and usability wise for UCC.
> 
> 
> That said, don't break the URLs and things will be good.
> http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI

The conclusion I came to is that the easiest way to try and retain old 
URIs was with Apache redirects rather than attempting to fiddle the 
filesystem content to fit in the old hierarchy.

For some reason, Google's index hates the new-style .ucc pages, but might 
be a reasonable start for important URIs to remap.

[DAA]

From mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Mar 13 18:44:51 2009
From: mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:44:51 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] New website proposal (Or: How to beat a dead horse)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903130745230.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0903130023430.27977@pout.bentwood.tearle.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903130745230.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0903131844080.21452@pout.bentwood.tearle.com>

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, David Adam wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Mark Tearle wrote:
>> Speaking as the person who set up the very first UCC website ...
>>
>> I think we've got a winner both technically and usability wise for UCC.
>>
>>
>> That said, don't break the URLs and things will be good.
>> http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI
>
> The conclusion I came to is that the easiest way to try and retain old
> URIs was with Apache redirects rather than attempting to fiddle the
> filesystem content to fit in the old hierarchy.
>
> For some reason, Google's index hates the new-style .ucc pages, but might
> be a reasonable start for important URIs to remap.
>
> [DAA]

Aaah, memories of a happier life back in the good ol' UCS days writing
long files full of redirects ....


Mark
-- 
Mark Tearle - mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

Fish!


From sj26 at ucc.asn.au  Fri Mar 13 19:13:51 2009
From: sj26 at ucc.asn.au (Samuel Cochran)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:13:51 +0900
Subject: [tech] New website proposal (Or: How to beat a dead horse)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0903131844080.21452@pout.bentwood.tearle.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903110049280.25466@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0903130023430.27977@pout.bentwood.tearle.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903130745230.24502@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0903131844080.21452@pout.bentwood.tearle.com>
Message-ID: <2950750e0903130313l6d1ce8b0y1b5df993a9045bb4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Mark Tearle <mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>wrote:

> Aaah, memories of a happier life back in the good ol' UCS days writing
> long files full of redirects ....


*grumbles*

:P

Sam
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From blinken at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 20:07:20 2009
From: blinken at gmail.com (Patrick Coleman)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:07:20 +0900
Subject: [tech] Ubuntu port
Message-ID: <603140b60903160407h16323e3fo34a9538f8e5defe8@mail.gmail.com>

So I suck at remembering to send emails, but about a month or so ago I
fixed up and updated the Ubuntu port. Now available:

- Ubuntu 6.06 LTS - "Dapper Drake"
- Ubuntu 7.04 - "Feisty Fawn"
- Ubuntu 8.04 LTS - "Hardy Heron"
- Ubuntu 8.10 - "Intrepid Ibex"
- Debian Etch
- memtest86 3.4a
- DBAN
- The ntpasswd reset tool

It also now has a Ubuntu logo that looks like the Ubuntu logo, stolen
from http://www.chris.com/ASCII/art/html/linux.html. If anyone runs
into any problems let me know.

-Patrick

-- 
http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting


From maset at ucc.asn.au  Mon Mar 16 20:38:18 2009
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:38:18 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Ubuntu port
In-Reply-To: <603140b60903160407h16323e3fo34a9538f8e5defe8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <603140b60903160407h16323e3fo34a9538f8e5defe8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162037540.8446@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Cool, good work.

From jacques at chester.id.au  Mon Mar 16 21:23:48 2009
From: jacques at chester.id.au (Jacques Chester)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:23:48 +0900
Subject: [tech] Anyone in the clubroom?
Message-ID: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>

Looks like troppo has hard-locked. I'd be grateful if someone could  
reset it.

Cheers,

JC.


ps. check the a/c, it might have frozen over.


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Mar 16 22:54:47 2009
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:54:47 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was:  Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Jacques Chester wrote:

> Looks like troppo has hard-locked. I'd be grateful if someone could reset it.

For a good time, call +61 8 6488 3901 and ask them to touch your hardware.
(I rang, and [RVS] kindly rebooted troppo).

> ps. check the a/c, it might have frozen over.

http://ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/stats/temp.html show normal temperatures. 

However, now's a good a time as any to start the new aircon discussion. 
Since we have all these 1RU Xeons it'd be nice to run them. Our current 
aircon is ~2.25kW (1HP) and is basically at capacity. We have a 15A 
socket, which limits us to ~6kW cooling. As an example, 
http://www.theelectricdiscounter.com.au/asps/productpage1.asp?model=KWH62CRA&extwarranty=3EWAPP1000
is $799 + $45 delivery.

-- 
# TRS-80              trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \
# UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
[ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
[  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /

From splintax at ucc.asn.au  Mon Mar 16 23:18:05 2009
From: splintax at ucc.asn.au (Scott Young)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:18:05 +0900
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was: Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0903160718u508f59f6mf31b2f68c87e98f6@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:54 PM, James Andrewartha
<trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> However, now's a good a time as any to start the new aircon discussion.
> Since we have all these 1RU Xeons it'd be nice to run them. Our current
> aircon is ~2.25kW (1HP) and is basically at capacity.

Isn't 1HP ~ 0.75 kW?

[SJY]


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Mar 16 23:23:41 2009
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:23:41 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was: Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0903160718u508f59f6mf31b2f68c87e98f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0903160718u508f59f6mf31b2f68c87e98f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162322430.9942@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Scott Young wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:54 PM, James Andrewartha
> <trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> > However, now's a good a time as any to start the new aircon discussion.
> > Since we have all these 1RU Xeons it'd be nice to run them. Our current
> > aircon is ~2.25kW (1HP) and is basically at capacity.
> 
> Isn't 1HP ~ 0.75 kW?

Power consumption yes, cooling capacity no. Don't ask me how it works, 
it's just the way it is.

-- 
# TRS-80              trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \
# UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
[ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
[  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /

From coxymla at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 07:53:58 2009
From: coxymla at gmail.com (James Cox)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:53:58 +0900
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was: Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162322430.9942@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0903160718u508f59f6mf31b2f68c87e98f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162322430.9942@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <d1381ac60903161553h6f89d0fbt47d09f54a9fed005@mail.gmail.com>

Since all you're doing is moving heat instead of 'creating cool', it's
possible for the refrigerative cycle to get >100% efficiency. The AC
unit sucks up 0.75KW of power from the socket but using that energy to
drive its pump/fan it exchanges 2.25KW of heat from inside to outside.

2.25/0.75 = 300% efficiency, the commonly claimed figure is 400% or
4:1. I'm guessing this is because they assume all the heat from the AC
unit itself ends up outside? Most of the bulk is hanging outside the
window after all.

[RME]~Coxy

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:23 PM, James Andrewartha
<trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Scott Young wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:54 PM, James Andrewartha
>> <trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>> > However, now's a good a time as any to start the new aircon discussion.
>> > Since we have all these 1RU Xeons it'd be nice to run them. Our current
>> > aircon is ~2.25kW (1HP) and is basically at capacity.
>>
>> Isn't 1HP ~ 0.75 kW?
>
> Power consumption yes, cooling capacity no. Don't ask me how it works,
> it's just the way it is.
>
> --
> # TRS-80 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \
> # UCC Wheel Member ? ? http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| ?what squirrels do best ? ? |
> [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ? ? ? ? ?]| ?-- Collect and hide your ? |
> [ ?software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ ?nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /
>
>


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Mar 23 16:55:24 2009
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:55:24 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was:  Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903231612390.29584@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, James Andrewartha wrote:

> However, now's a good a time as any to start the new aircon discussion. 
> Since we have all these 1RU Xeons it'd be nice to run them. Our current 
> aircon is ~2.25kW (1HP) and is basically at capacity. We have a 15A 
> socket, which limits us to ~6kW cooling. As an example, 
> http://www.theelectricdiscounter.com.au/asps/productpage1.asp?model=KWH62CRA&extwarranty=3EWAPP1000
> is $799 + $45 delivery.

I've done some more research, and this model is the only window-wall 
airconditioner of ~6kW available in australia. Split systems are more 
expensive and also have installation costs. So my recommedation is we 
start fundraising towards buying this model. The only question is whether 
to go for the $99 extended warranty, which takes it from 2 years to 7 years.

-- 
# TRS-80              trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \
# UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
[ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
[  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /

From astro at jaram.net.au  Mon Mar 23 20:27:50 2009
From: astro at jaram.net.au (Jeremy Cole)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:27:50 +0900
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was: Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903231612390.29584@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903231612390.29584@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <8fe080cd0903230427k2b6f2639ha414fc72cdbe3ad1@mail.gmail.com>

re the warranty...
if we dont... then well.. *points at the mac* i think you get my point

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM, James Andrewartha
<trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, James Andrewartha wrote:
>
> > However, now's a good a time as any to start the new aircon discussion.
> > Since we have all these 1RU Xeons it'd be nice to run them. Our current
> > aircon is ~2.25kW (1HP) and is basically at capacity. We have a 15A
> > socket, which limits us to ~6kW cooling. As an example,
> >
> http://www.theelectricdiscounter.com.au/asps/productpage1.asp?model=KWH62CRA&extwarranty=3EWAPP1000
> > is $799 + $45 delivery.
>
> I've done some more research, and this model is the only window-wall
> airconditioner of ~6kW available in australia. Split systems are more
> expensive and also have installation costs. So my recommedation is we
> start fundraising towards buying this model. The only question is whether
> to go for the $99 extended warranty, which takes it from 2 years to 7
> years.
>
> --
> # TRS-80              trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here
> will do \
> # UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best
>     |
> [ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide
> your   |
> [  software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\  nuts." -- Acid Reflux
> #231 /
>
>


-- 


-- Jeremy Cole
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From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Mar 23 22:41:45 2009
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:41:45 +0900
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was:  Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903231612390.29584@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903231612390.29584@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20090323134145.GA6416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 04:55:24PM +0900, James Andrewartha wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, James Andrewartha wrote:
> > However, now's a good a time as any to start the new aircon discussion. 
> > Since we have all these 1RU Xeons it'd be nice to run them. Our current 
> > aircon is ~2.25kW (1HP) and is basically at capacity. We have a 15A 
> > socket, which limits us to ~6kW cooling. As an example, 
> > http://www.theelectricdiscounter.com.au/asps/productpage1.asp?model=KWH62CRA&extwarranty=3EWAPP1000
> > is $799 + $45 delivery.
[6100W cooling window-wall / window-box style]

That's good value, bounteous BTU's/buck, even with the extended warranty.

I am a little worried about having one big aircon, though, unless we
have a pre-approved contingency plan to buy perhaps a slightly smaller
replacement at the first sign of trouble. There's a lot of running
around to get a warranty repair, especially if the first few failures
are intermittent.

The window-box, gibson, was bought on 20051217 with a five year warranty,
it iced up a few times, then died around 200710. [DAA] got it fixed under
warranty in 200802 and it's died again, tripping circuit breakers, at
200901. (Still under warranty, at least on the compressor) If it had been
an unremovable split system requiring a professional callout for repairs
or maintenance I expect it would've been even harder to organise that fix.

So... we could leave atacama running and add a portable aircon. They're
not great, but they might be easier in practice to swap or repair.

http://www.delonghi.com.au/products/product_details.asp?Model=PACC100
http://www.retravision.com.au/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductId=7346
2930W cooling, $699, specs look good

http://www.theelectricdiscounter.com.au/asps/productpage1.asp?model=KPK35CRB&extwarranty=3EWAPP1000
3500W cooling, $625

http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=aircon_faq

Nick.

-- 
   Nick Bannon   | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick-sig at rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal

From maset at ucc.asn.au  Mon Mar 23 23:12:36 2009
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:12:36 +0900 (WST)
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was:  Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <20090323134145.GA6416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903231612390.29584@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<20090323134145.GA6416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903232312030.8446@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The problem with portable aircons is where to put the water they condense.

From frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Mar 23 23:56:22 2009
From: frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James French)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:56:22 +0900
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was: Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903232312030.8446@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903231612390.29584@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<20090323134145.GA6416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903232312030.8446@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <560b010903230756r3bfcbb07q5afbe1795269c0ea@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>
<maset at ucc.asn.au> wrote:
> The problem with portable aircons is where to put the water they condense.

To be pedantic just for the sake of it, the water needs to go outside,
it's more a question of how ;)

F.


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Mar 24 00:08:31 2009
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:08:31 +0900
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was: Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <560b010903230756r3bfcbb07q5afbe1795269c0ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903231612390.29584@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<20090323134145.GA6416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903232312030.8446@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<560b010903230756r3bfcbb07q5afbe1795269c0ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090323150831.GC6416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:56:22PM +0900, James French wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> <maset at ucc.asn.au> wrote:
> > The problem with portable aircons is where to put the water they condense.
> 
> To be pedantic just for the sake of it, the water needs to go outside,
> it's more a question of how ;)

The Whirlpool FAQ recommends a couple of models of DeLonghi and Mistral -
the cheapest DeLonghi claims that it has "No-drip technology: for faster
cooling efficiency and no need to empty the water tank."

http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=aircon_faq
http://www.delonghi.com.au/products/product_details.asp?Model=PACC100

Though a budget model, mounted at window height would probably do; or
I have a water-activated alarm that could trigger an electric shower pump.

Nick.

-- 
   Nick Bannon   | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick-sig at rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal

From splintax at ucc.asn.au  Thu Mar 26 18:52:41 2009
From: splintax at ucc.asn.au (Scott Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:52:41 +0900
Subject: [tech] New aircon (was: Anyone in the clubroom?)
In-Reply-To: <20090323150831.GC6416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <CCF91F45-A27E-44A4-B3EE-7AB2B42A6135@chester.id.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903162218100.12190@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903231612390.29584@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<20090323134145.GA6416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0903232312030.8446@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<560b010903230756r3bfcbb07q5afbe1795269c0ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090323150831.GC6416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0903260252j3ceac216od967765d0237333b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM, James Andrewartha
<trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, James Andrewartha wrote:
>> http://www.theelectricdiscounter.com.au/asps/productpage1.asp?model=KWH62CRA&extwarranty=3EWAPP1000
>> is $799 + $45 delivery.
> I've done some more research, and this model is the only window-wall
> airconditioner of ~6kW available in australia.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Nick Bannon <nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> I am a little worried about having one big aircon, though, unless we
> have a pre-approved contingency plan to buy perhaps a slightly smaller
> replacement at the first sign of trouble. There's a lot of running
> around to get a warranty repair, especially if the first few failures
> are intermittent.
> So... we could leave atacama running and add a portable aircon. They're
> not great, but they might be easier in practice to swap or repair.

We discussed this briefly at the committee meeting on Tuesday. [LOL]
is going to look into getting gibson repaired (again), and atacama is
working fine -- so, if we purchase the air conditioner [TRS]
recommended, then we'll have one (and hopefully two) small air
conditioners to use as a backup should it fail.

The consensus at the meeting was that we'll start fundraising for (and
eventually buy) the 6 kW unit that [TRS] recommended as long as tech@
and wheel@ approve.

So, does anybody object to purchasing the Kelvinator KWH62CRA for
$943, incl. 7-year extended warranty, given that we have one smaller
aircon as a backup, and we may have gibson running again soon?

If I don't hear from anybody in the next few days, I'll send out an
email to ucc-announce@ asking for contributions.

[SJY]


From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Mar 31 13:21:32 2009
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:21:32 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] [Win] - Update on Conficker/Downadup mitigation methods
 - Network scanning tools now available
In-Reply-To: <200903310102.n2V12HqL071054@app.auscert.org.au>
References: <200903310102.n2V12HqL071054@app.auscert.org.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0903311320420.18905@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, AusCERT wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> AusCERT Update AU-2009.0013 - [Win]
> Update on Conficker/Downadup mitigation methods - Network scanning tools
> now available
> 31 March 2009
> 
>         AusCERT Update Summary
>         ----------------------
> 
> Operating System:     Windows
> Impact:               Execute Arbitrary Code/Commands
> Access:               Remote/Unauthenticated
> CVE Names:            CVE-2008-4250
> 
> Ref:                  AL-2009.0021
> 
> OVERVIEW:
> 
>       Mass scanning of networks for the presence of Windows machines infected
>       with the Conficker/Downadup worm is now possible thanks to the discovery
>       of unique signature an infected machine presents. [1]

Scanned the UCC subnet with the new nmap version, seems ok. Most machines 
should be running Sophos anyway.

[DAA]