<div dir="ltr">"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">One thing I wouild like to see UCC start doing is purchasing machines from</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">one supplier. Why? It builds a relationship with that supplier and will</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">help us to secure discounts, for both ourselves and our members.</span><font color="#000000">”</font><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">I think this is a noble idea in theory, but I do not see that there is any value in it when the PC parts market is as notorious as it is.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">A. Anyone with enough margin to give us and our members a discount would be too expensive to be worth ordering from.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">B. A relationship with a retailer is not particularly useful since most (all) retailers shirk their warranty obligations.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><font color="#000000">C. Less importantly, a single supplier is likely not going to carry the eclectic range of stuff we need anyway.</font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px">[RME]~Coxy</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 March 2016 at 13:29, Mitchell Pomery <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mjpomery@ucc.asn.au" target="_blank">mjpomery@ucc.asn.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey,<br>
<br>
It's a personal preference to have DVD drives in machines, so much so that<br>
I would be willing to donate the $40 to make sure that they have them.<br>
<br>
Power supply: We can drop it down to a 500-600W one for sure. I'd like to<br>
keep it modular (or at least semi modular) just for ease of use and<br>
prettiness inside the case (cable management yo).<br>
<br>
I'd prefer to avoid SSD's as Operating system disks for the time being. On<br>
the windows machines the disk will be nowhere near large enough for<br>
profiles, and I would like both machines to be able to have the same<br>
specs. That said, assuming we can get one at around the $100 mark.<br>
<br>
>From my conversation with [BOB] last night, the reason for picking that<br>
specific graphics card was because it should have ball bearing fans, which<br>
should last much longer than the fans of graphics cards we have had die<br>
previously. I'll have a look at the different GTX 960's to find out which<br>
ones have ball bearing fans.<br>
<br>
One thing I wouild like to see UCC start doing is purchasing machines from<br>
one supplier. Why? It builds a relationship with that supplier and will<br>
help us to secure discounts, for both ourselves and our members. And as<br>
you've said, this is important as our income is about to take a hit.<br>
<br>
Anyway, I will be placing the order Monday afternoon.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<span class="im HOEnZb">Mitchell Pomery<br>
<br>
2015 President<br>
University Computer Club<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span class="im HOEnZb">On Tue, 8 Mar 2016, jordan meerwald wrote:<br>
<br>
</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> I agree with most of the points raised here. DVD drives in each machine are<br>
> unnecessary and the i5 750 in Pinball can last another year (I have the same<br>
> in my own PC) if theres a core 2 duo that could be replaced instead.<br>
><br>
> The PLE centurion 6 has an included cheap 500W PSU, its closer to $100<br>
> without that<br>
> (<a href="http://www.vtechindustries.com.au/catalog/product/view/id/10420/s/cooler-ma" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.vtechindustries.com.au/catalog/product/view/id/10420/s/cooler-ma</a><br>
> ster-centurion-6-black-case-rc-610-kkn1/ )<br>
> There are probably cheaper cases that are suitable but that looks quite<br>
> nice, and the power button being on the corner is convenient. If we're<br>
> buying from a single supplier the case will really depend on their stock.<br>
><br>
> When I built Corydoras it was recommended to me that we should spend at<br>
> least $120 on a PSU, 750W seems high and paying extra for modular isn't<br>
> really necessary, semi-modular is probably worth it though.<br>
><br>
> I didn't realise 240GB SSDs were down to around the $100 mark. I'm not<br>
> exactly sure how logins work, but would large /away directories cause issues<br>
> with how many times you can write to an SSD? Unless we need large amounts of<br>
> storage on the OS drive an SSD is probably worth it.<br>
><br>
> Given we're expecting these machines to last till 2020 at least, and likely<br>
> a move to 1440p/1600p in that time, I think a little extra GPU power will be<br>
> worth it. Most of the Windows machines have 960s in them currently iirc. The<br>
> benchmarks I've looked at show a 20-30% performance difference.<br>
><br>
> If you can find a Windows 7 Student license around they were about $80, but<br>
> apparently non-OEM copies of Windows 7 are getting quite hard to find. It<br>
> may even be worth buying a sub-$100 refurbished computer that has a windows<br>
> license installed just to transfer it.<br>
><br>
> [JDN]<br>
><br>
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> Behalf Of Andrew Adamson<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 8:33 PM<br>
> To: Mitchell Pomery <<a href="mailto:mjpomery@ucc.asn.au">mjpomery@ucc.asn.au</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:tech@ucc.asn.au">tech@ucc.asn.au</a>; <a href="mailto:committee@ucc.asn.au">committee@ucc.asn.au</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [committee] [tech] Purchase of 2 New Machines<br>
><br>
> Hi Mitch,<br>
><br>
> That looks like a pretty solid build, but I think there's a couple of ways<br>
> we can trim it without compromising on computing power or reliability.<br>
> This is particularly relevant given that the clubs income is about to halve.<br>
><br>
> For starters, I suggest we ditch the DVD drives; they barely get used on the<br>
> machines that do have them, and we bought an external DVD drive for this<br>
> exact reason (it lives in the tool cupboard). Time for that to pay for<br>
> itself: $40 saved across two machines.<br>
><br>
> When you say "Pinball" I assume you mean "Porcupine" - after all, Porcupine<br>
> is a C2D while Pinball is an i5 with decent specs. Porcupine happens to have<br>
> a decent case and PSU already, as we were careful in the past to try and get<br>
> generic cases that would last across a couple of generations and were<br>
> compatible with our security requirements. If I recall correctly it's a<br>
> CoolerMaster Centurion 5 case (mk 1 or 2, not<br>
> sure) and there's nothing wrong with it. We have spare blanking plates and<br>
> internal parts for it in the machine room. Its power supply is also fine:<br>
> $120 saved on that combo. Cockgrunters case is not compatible with our<br>
> security as far as I know, and needs replacing. Might I suggest a<br>
> CoolerMaster Centurion?<br>
><br>
> A 750W power supply is pretty overkill in this case. The PSU recommended on<br>
> the <a href="http://geforce.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">geforce.com</a> website for an i7 3.2 GHz with a GTX 960 is 400W. Given that<br>
> the trend is towards cooler and lower-wattage electronics, I don't think<br>
> 750W is necessary even for future proofing. If you don't get a PSU with the<br>
> case, something like the $93 550W coolermaster GM RS550-AMAAB1 from msy<br>
> might be the go. NB: many of the clubroom machines have coolermaster silent<br>
> pro PSU's in them and they've stood the test of time.<br>
><br>
> As someone who helps maintain the clubroom machines, I'm pretty keen on an<br>
> SSD for the system disk. If nothing else, it makes maintenance more bearable<br>
> when things install quickly. Can we swap one of the 2TB disks for a<br>
> 240GB/250GB ssd in each machine? I have had good results with Kingston<br>
> V300 at work, but I would understand if people want to go with Samsung<br>
> instead.<br>
><br>
> The GTX960 is only 6% more powerful than the GTX950 based on a range of<br>
> benchmarks I looked at. It's around 30% more expensive, and I would<br>
> challenge anyone to be able to tell the difference, given the games we<br>
> usually run and the resolutions of our screens. Given the number of graphics<br>
> cards failures we have, I think the money would be better spent on a card<br>
> with more reliable fans and slightly less power. By more reliable fans I<br>
> mean ball bearing fans. "Maglev" and sleeve bearings are shit. Gigabyte GPU<br>
> fans are shit and we have proven they don't survive in UCC. EVGA seem to be<br>
> the only company doing ball bearing fans on the GTX 950.<br>
><br>
> So based on your specs and the above suggestions, I took the liberty of<br>
> doing a more exact costing:<br>
><br>
> 2 of<br>
> <a href="https://www.ple.com.au/Products/620472/Intel-Core-i5-6400-Skylake-27GHz-6MB-" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ple.com.au/Products/620472/Intel-Core-i5-6400-Skylake-27GHz-6MB-</a><br>
> Retail-Box<br>
> 2 of<br>
> <a href="http://www.msy.com.au/pc-components/16372-gigabyte-b150m-d3h-intel-b150-s115" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.msy.com.au/pc-components/16372-gigabyte-b150m-d3h-intel-b150-s115</a><br>
> 1-4xddr4-2xpciex16-hdmi-dvi-d-sub-usb30-microatx-mb.html<br>
> 4 of<br>
> <a href="https://www.ple.com.au/Products/620893/Kingston-8GB-Single-DDR4-Value-Series" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ple.com.au/Products/620893/Kingston-8GB-Single-DDR4-Value-Series</a><br>
> -C15-2133MHz<br>
> 2 of<br>
> <a href="http://www.msy.com.au/pc-components/5282-kingston-kinsv300s37a-240g-240g-ssd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.msy.com.au/pc-components/5282-kingston-kinsv300s37a-240g-240g-ssd</a><br>
> now-v300-sata3-25-ssd-hdd.html<br>
> 2 of<br>
> <a href="http://www.msy.com.au/waonline/pc-components/5103-seagate-35-barracuda-2tb-s" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.msy.com.au/waonline/pc-components/5103-seagate-35-barracuda-2tb-s</a><br>
> t2000dm001-sata3-7200rpm-64mb-cache-hard-disk.html<br>
> 2 of<br>
> <a href="https://www.pccasegear.com/products/33067/evga-geforce-gtx-950-superclocked-" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.pccasegear.com/products/33067/evga-geforce-gtx-950-superclocked-</a><br>
> acx-2-0-2gb<br>
> 1 of<br>
> <a href="https://www.ple.com.au/Products/611809/Cooler-Master-Centurion-6-Black-Mid-T" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ple.com.au/Products/611809/Cooler-Master-Centurion-6-Black-Mid-T</a><br>
> ower-Case---500W-PSU<br>
><br>
> Total cost without shipping: $2171<br>
><br>
> Andrew Adamson<br>
> <a href="mailto:bob@ucc.asn.au">bob@ucc.asn.au</a><br>
><br>
> |"If you can't beat them, join them, and then beat them." |<br>
> | ---Peter's Laws |<br>
><br>
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2016, Mitchell Pomery wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hey All,<br>
>><br>
>> As per meeting minutes, we are looking at purchasing two new machines.<br>
>> Specs for both are as follows:<br>
>><br>
>> Mid Sized ATX Case<br>
>> 750 Watt Modular Power Supply<br>
>> Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Motherboard<br>
>> Intel Core i5 6400<br>
>> 16GB RAM (in 2x8GB Sticks)<br>
>> 2x 2TB Hard Drives (One for operating system, one for files/games) DVD<br>
>> Drive GeForce GTX 960 2GB<br>
>><br>
>> Cost is just around $1100 per machine.<br>
>><br>
>> One machine will also need a Windows license (Roughly $200), with the<br>
>> preference being to get a Windows 7 License if possible, otherwise<br>
>> going with a Windows 10 one.<br>
>><br>
>> Total cost: Around $2500, depending on who we get it from.<br>
>><br>
>> Aim is to build two machines that could operate as either Windows or<br>
>> Linux machines, with one of these taking the place of Cockgrunter, the<br>
>> other taking the place of Pinball. The parts salvaged from these two<br>
>> machines will be put into other machines where suitable, or be<br>
>> disposed of/put into the parts bin where not.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Mitchell Pomery<br>
>><br>
>> 2015 President<br>
>> University Computer Club<br>
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