[ucc] RE: [ucc-announce] New Door Group Regime
yakk at yakk.net
Sat Sep 14 10:28:42 WST 2002
On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 04:15, Matthias Liffers wrote:
> > rules. The compromise that was reached (and we've been more
> > compromised by this than the guild but it is their building)
> The building DOES belong to the Guild, doesn't it? Aren't we all Guild
The building belongs to the University, the Guild rents it from them (as
far as I understand).
> Therefore, the building belongs to us. The problem is that the Guild
> obviously doesn't believe that we have the maturity and responsibility
> for self-management. I remember speaking to a current Guild person (I
> can't remember his name) who was very adamant that "Everyone wants the
> services that the Guild provides, but nobody wants to pay for them."
UCC and UniSFA are incredibly lucky to get the services we do. I bet you
the rent on our clubrooms is not insignificant.
> I've paid my Guild membership, my UCC membership, my Unigames membership
> and my UniSFA membership, yet I still don't get to access the Guild
> services that I paid for, when I want to.
Thats right. Same reason that as a taxpayer you can't just decide to use
whatever public resources you want whenever you want. The Guild Council
who we (well, not be because I'm not around anymore, but I did in my
time elect) have decided that the best way to deliver the services to
their members is by restricting access to the building to people that
are deemed trustworthy. Deemed trustworthy by *you* the people who elect
them as club executives. Given the presence of Manics and losers like
that I think its an unfortunate but fair decision. I applaud Nick's
efforts to make the system work better for a club like UCC.
Representative democracy. Welcome to the real world.
Ian, living in a country full of fucking libertarians...
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