[UCCBball] Ladder situation/training

[Andrew Bailey]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:06:10AM +0800, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:
> Quoting Chas Stan-Bishop <chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>:
> 
> > Okay, first up, an option to get the ball into the corner while dealing
> > with that pesky 1-2-2 defence (something we are very bad at, and
> > something I think Claremont White are quite likely to run).
> >
> > Set up:
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >             4          5
> >               X       X
> >
> >      2  X                 X  3
> >                  X
> >                  1*
> >
> >
> > Precise location of forwards may vary. X's are defenders (obviously), * is
> > the ball.
> >
> > Hopefully that makes some sense. Our standard option here is: 1 passes to
> > 3 who gets double-teamed on the sideline and trapped and turns the ball
> > over. :P
> >
> > The alternative: 1 passes to 3 (or 2) and then cuts under 3's defender
> > into the corner, and recieves the ball again from 3. Meanwhile, 2 replaces
> > 1 at the top:
> > e.g.
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >                       X5     1*
> >                  X
> >                      4
> >              X             X 3
> >                  X
> >                  2
> >
> >
> >
> > The forwards do their thing, hopefully resulting in an open shot from high
> > post, or a 1-1 low post. After making the pass to 4 or 5, or the swing
> > back to 3, 1 cuts through to the other side of the court for the
> > continuity, possibly picking up a dish from the forwards on the way
> > through, and is thus inside to help on boards.
> >
> > It's pretty much what we already run, except with the PG cutting to the
> > corner after passing, thus avoiding the easy trap.
> 
> I like this. The really important thing will be for 2 to make sure  
> they fill the gap at the top, and for 1 to seriously run like hell,  
> especially from wing across middle to the other wing if/when the ball  
> swings to the other side. Otherwise our offense will end up lopsided  
> and we'll lose our ability to move the ball quickly across the top.
>

THe other thing that can happle here is that 3 can pass to 1 while he is
in the key for the drive, when we have done this is the past it has been
effective.


> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Second option, also a slight variation on something we kinda already do
> > (Tommo moving out to the 3-point line in the corner), but this requires
> > more inside game from the wings, so I supect this will only work when the
> > ball goes to the more forward-like guards (Alwyn/Dave/Kieron).
> >
> > Same setup as before. In this case, rather than the PG cutting through,
> > the ball-side forward cuts out to the corner.
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >             4                5
> >
> >
> >      2                       3*
> >
> >                  1
> >
> > (No defence shown)
> >
> > 3 now passes to 5, and 3 cuts diagonally down inside and makes a nuisance
> > of himself. Meanwhile, 4 cuts high and ball-side. 1 and 2 rotate around the 3
> > point line, filling in the vacancy left by 3.
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >                              5*
> >                        3
> >
> >                       4      1
> >
> >                  2
> >
> >
> > If the ball goes back to 1, 3 cuts back out to the weak-side wing, 5 cuts
> > to high post and 4 cuts towards the basket before cutting out to the
> > weakside wing for the continuity.
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >      4
> >
> >
> >      3        5               1
> >
> >                  2*
> >
> > Note that 3 does all the inside cuts on the part of the "guards", while 1
> > and 2 are always outside players.
> >
> > The main reason for this play is it gives Tommo open outside shots while
> > not destroying our inside game or our spacing for the swing. This would
> > preferably be a "sometimes" play, although that does require 3 to be
> > switched on.
> 
> Another good one. As you say, 3 will need to be very switched on for  
> this. We typically start our plays this way, but then 3 remains  
> stationary and either I shoot it (assuming here that I'm 5) or pass it  
> back up to 3. So in these circumstances I'd suggest having one of our  
> more aggressive cutters as the 3 (like Alwyn or Kieron). That cut by 4  
> to high post will also be pretty crucial for this play, to stretch out  
> their defense on the ball-side.
> 
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Finally, something a bit different. I saw this a while ago, and it's
> > something we might want to think about, particularly when we only have one
> > forward on court. It's the 41 corners offence. It's very simple,
> > applicable versus any zone, and doesn't require any skills we don't have.
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >              5         5
> >              |         |
> >      4       \         /      3
> >               5-------5
> >
> >              2         1
> >
> >
> > The 4 perimeter plays simply pass the ball around, and the inside player
> > simply follows the ball (path shown). I would expect that 3 and 4 would
> > probably cut as soon as 5 recieves the ball. I'm not sure what you do
> > about options for the kick back out if nothing happens inside. Possibly 3
> > and 4 continue thier cuts through to the opposite sides. Or maybe the
> > ballside guard cuts down to the corner while the other stays high for
> > safety?
> 
> I'd recommend a slight variation on this. When the ball swings left,  
> once it reaches 4, 3 should cut straight to high post, so we have both  
> a high and a low. Likewise 4 should cut to high post when the ball  
> reaches 3 on the right. When the ball swings back again (to 2 or 1,  
> depending on which direction it went to start with), they cut back out  
> to their original position, replaced at the high post by 5.
> 
> The other important thing here would be offensive boards. We'd be left  
> very exposed, especially in the instance that someone takes an outside  
> shot, so we'd need at least 2 of the outside guys to make a strong  
> push towards the key to get decent rebounding position.
> 
> And, of course, if the ball goes into 5 and they start to move towards  
> the hoop, we'll need AT LEAST one strong cut towards the hoop, both  
> for passing options and rebounding position.
> 
> Of course, the important thing with any of these plays is *movement*.  
> If you're standing flat footed and there's a guy on/near you, then  
> you're doing it wrong :)

The problem is that we very rarely pass to players as they are moving.
We really only pass to players who are stationary. This limits peoples
desire to move as they basically don't get the ball if they do that.


> 
> Tom.
> 
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