From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 13:28:38 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:28:38 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup Message-ID: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi guys, I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game, just to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball movement and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are tricky to describe via email, but here's the gist of it... 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the post position on either side of the keyway. 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the point passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have the point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side). 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts up to the high post. 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing (5a) or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then the other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out option to reset the offense. 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the option to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we don't tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a good passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does go into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra help for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't cut until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you. 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite a few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end of a drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there could even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the keyway. If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important for the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for boards. There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come pretty naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement - guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side post cuts to high post. Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try to clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before the game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it beforehand then it'll be easier to set up on the day. I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but that can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains ;) Cheers, Tom. From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 13:53:46 2009 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:53:46 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:28:38PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Hi guys, > Am I allowed to disagree? > I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game, just > to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball movement > and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are tricky > to describe via email, but here's the gist of it... > > 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with > wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the > post position on either side of the keyway. > > 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the point > passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have the > point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side). > > 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down > towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts up > to the high post. > > 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing (5a) > or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these > options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then the > other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out option > to reset the offense. > > 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the option > to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason > we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we don't > tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a good > passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does go > into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should > both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra help > for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't cut > until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you. > > 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite a > few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either > stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the > point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end of a > drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there could > even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the keyway. > If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important for > the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for boards. > > There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this > setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come pretty > naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement - > guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side post > cuts to high post. > > Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try to > clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before the > game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it beforehand > then it'll be easier to set up on the day. > > I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but that > can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains ;) > > Cheers, > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 13:59:03 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:59:03 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090304135903.15881nboa1ldqqow@secure.ucc.asn.au> Of course you can disagree. Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:28:38PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >> Hi guys, >> > > Am I allowed to disagree? > >> I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game, just >> to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball movement >> and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are tricky >> to describe via email, but here's the gist of it... >> >> 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with >> wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the >> post position on either side of the keyway. >> >> 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the point >> passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have the >> point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side). >> >> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down >> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts up >> to the high post. >> >> 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing (5a) >> or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these >> options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then the >> other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out option >> to reset the offense. >> >> 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the option >> to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason >> we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we don't >> tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a good >> passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does go >> into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should >> both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra help >> for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't cut >> until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you. >> >> 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite a >> few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either >> stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the >> point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end of a >> drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there could >> even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the keyway. >> If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important for >> the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for boards. >> >> There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this >> setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come pretty >> naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement - >> guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side post >> cuts to high post. >> >> Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try to >> clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before the >> game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it beforehand >> then it'll be easier to set up on the day. >> >> I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but that >> can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains ;) >> >> Cheers, >> Tom. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -- > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," > - Wayne Norbitz > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 14:11:09 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:11:09 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090304141109.3322330vdo8sorjg@secure.ucc.asn.au> Also, could someone forward this on to Kieron? I'd like to get his opinion on it as well. And just so he's in the loop with everyone else... Tom. Quoting tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: > Hi guys, > > I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game, just > to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball movement > and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are tricky > to describe via email, but here's the gist of it... > > 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with > wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the > post position on either side of the keyway. > > 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the point > passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have the > point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side). > > 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down > towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts up > to the high post. > > 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing (5a) > or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these > options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then the > other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out option > to reset the offense. > > 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the option > to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason > we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we don't > tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a good > passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does go > into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should > both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra help > for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't cut > until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you. > > 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite a > few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either > stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the > point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end of a > drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there could > even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the keyway. > If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important for > the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for boards. > > There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this > setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come pretty > naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement - > guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side post > cuts to high post. > > Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try to > clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before the > game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it beforehand > then it'll be easier to set up on the day. > > I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but that > can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains ;) > > Cheers, > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 14:11:20 2009 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:11:20 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304135903.15881nboa1ldqqow@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304135903.15881nboa1ldqqow@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:59:03PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Of course you can disagree. > My biggest overall issue is that this lends itself to a 'quick' or possibly rushed offense. I like us a bit better when we swing it down both sides pretty quickley. Rest of my comments inline: > Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:28:38PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > >> Hi guys, > >> > > > > Am I allowed to disagree? > > > >> I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game, just > >> to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball movement > >> and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are tricky > >> to describe via email, but here's the gist of it... > >> > >> 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with > >> wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the > >> post position on either side of the keyway. > >> This is fine and sensible. > >> 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the point > >> passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have the > >> point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side). > >> > >> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down > >> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts up > >> to the high post. > >>a This is the bit I don't like as it ruins our spacing. we end up with four players on one side and an awful lot of congestion. In fact this a lot of what we do at the moment when our offense isn't working. I don't think we should aspire to shis structure. Especially as the week wing should really come accross to the top a bit for an outlet pass. >From my experience as a off side forward ( unless I am misunderstanding what you mean by high post ) there realy is no room for me to cut too and I am probably better off doing a V cut at best as aswing outlet or something. > >> 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing (5a) > >> or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these > >> options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then the > >> other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out option > >> to reset the offense. > >> > >> 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the option > >> to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason > >> we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we don't > >> tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a good > >> passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does go > >> into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should > >> both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra help > >> for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't cut > >> until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you. > >> > >> 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite a > >> few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either > >> stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the > >> point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end of a > >> drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there could > >> even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the keyway. > >> If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important for > >> the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for boards. > >> > >> There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this > >> setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come pretty > >> naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement - > >> guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side post > >> cuts to high post. > >> > >> Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try to > >> clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before the > >> game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it beforehand > >> then it'll be easier to set up on the day. > >> > >> I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but that > >> can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains ;) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Tom. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Basketball mailing list > >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > -- > > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, > > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," > > - Wayne Norbitz > > _______________________________________________ > > Basketball mailing list > > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 14:33:23 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:33:23 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304135903.15881nboa1ldqqow@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090304143323.95302cw1owzkei0w@secure.ucc.asn.au> Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > My biggest overall issue is that this lends itself to a 'quick' or > possibly rushed offense. I like us a bit better when we swing it > down both sides pretty quickley. Swinging the ball around is good, and I definitely still want us to do it. I should clarify that I'm not suggesting this should be our offense in every instance - just something for the point to kickstart when they think it's appropriate by pushing the ball to either side. The problem we encounter when we swing the ball down both sides is that we never swing it far enough down to create any passing angles that aren't already available to the point guard when they're at the top. 95% of the time the only passing option that comes from it is to pass it straight back up to the top again. I'm don't really agree with your assessment that it'll lead to a rushed offense. Essentially, the setup I'm suggesting is really just a different kind of swing offense - one which pushes the ball deeper into the defensive area to create more of a scoring threat. When we just pass the ball back and forth across the top area (which is what our current swing tends to achieve), the only scoring threat we tend to have is the occasional three-pointer or pass to high post. >> >> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down >> >> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts up >> >> to the high post. >> >>a > > This is the bit I don't like as it ruins our spacing. we end up with > four players on one side and an awful lot of congestion. In fact > this a lot of what we do at the moment when our offense isn't > working. I don't think we should aspire to shis structure. > Especially as the week wing should really come accross to the top a > bit for an outlet pass. You're right that we get four players on one side, but I disagree that it'll ruin our spacing. The four players will be well-spaced, with a sizable box formation from high-to-low and key-to-sideline. I don't think we really do anything quite like this at the moment. Our offense doesn't really have much set structure, so it's possible that there's been times when we've simply gotten randomly crowded on one side, but this would be much more controlled and evenly spaced than that. As I've said before, I think we need to push the ball further down towards the bassline on the wing to create more scoring options. If we do this, we *want* our offence to be somewhat "unbalanced" towards the side the ball is on. A wing or low post on the far side is of little use at the moment when the ball is at the low-wing. People can subsequently cut to those areas if the ball swings back up again, but they don't serve any purpose if they're there at that precise point. >> From my experience as a off side forward ( unless I am >> misunderstanding what you mean by high post ) there realy is no >> room for me to cut too and I am probably better off doing a V cut >> at best as aswing outlet or something. If you cut from the low-post on an arc-path up through the key to the free-throw area, there'll be space for you there. I cut to that area all the time, as do Olly and Kieron quite frequently. It creates a scoring threat which also draws the defense up off the bassline - something which will greatly benifit the low-wing should they decide to drive or pass to the low post. I'm certianly open to suggestions for different ways to go about it, but we absolutely need to move the ball deeper into the low-wing area. We're squandering our low post opportunities and seriously limiting both our passing and scoring options. Tom. Tom. From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 14:54:02 2009 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:54:02 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304143323.95302cw1owzkei0w@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304135903.15881nboa1ldqqow@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304143323.95302cw1owzkei0w@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090304055401.GC1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 02:33:23PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > > > My biggest overall issue is that this lends itself to a 'quick' or > > possibly rushed offense. I like us a bit better when we swing it > > down both sides pretty quickley. > > Swinging the ball around is good, and I definitely still want us to do > it. I should clarify that I'm not suggesting this should be our > offense in every instance - just something for the point to kickstart > when they think it's appropriate by pushing the ball to either side. > > The problem we encounter when we swing the ball down both sides is > that we never swing it far enough down to create any passing angles > that aren't already available to the point guard when they're at the > top. 95% of the time the only passing option that comes from it is to > pass it straight back up to the top again. > I don't agree with this as much. If you are in the low post and the wing is in the right position you're pretty much open to a quick pass in my mind but it would hurt to have a deep wing and point up. What won't work is the other forward cutting to high post. > I'm don't really agree with your assessment that it'll lead to a > rushed offense. Essentially, the setup I'm suggesting is really just a > different kind of swing offense - one which pushes the ball deeper > into the defensive area to create more of a scoring threat. When we > just pass the ball back and forth across the top area (which is what > our current swing tends to achieve), the only scoring threat we tend > to have is the occasional three-pointer or pass to high post. > We don't really have that good deep jump shots either. The reason I think this will lead to a rushed offence is that we have no one to pass to to get it to the other side . A good swing play will have the ball the other side before any of our forwards could cut to that space( and they are the closest ) > >> >> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down > >> >> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts up > >> >> to the high post. > >> >>a > > > > This is the bit I don't like as it ruins our spacing. we end up with > > four players on one side and an awful lot of congestion. In fact > > this a lot of what we do at the moment when our offense isn't > > working. I don't think we should aspire to shis structure. > > Especially as the week wing should really come accross to the top a > > bit for an outlet pass. > > You're right that we get four players on one side, but I disagree that > it'll ruin our spacing. The four players will be well-spaced, with a > sizable box formation from high-to-low and key-to-sideline. > Rememre there are some defenders in there as well and you tend to post up quite high. There really isn't anywhere for the other forward to go to on that side that doesn't just shut down. And most of our point guards wont pass over an opposing gaurd so high post isn't really going to get the ball in this scenario. > I don't think we really do anything quite like this at the moment. Our > offense doesn't really have much set structure, so it's possible that > there's been times when we've simply gotten randomly crowded on one > side, but this would be much more controlled and evenly spaced than > that. > > As I've said before, I think we need to push the ball further down > towards the bassline on the wing to create more scoring options. If we > do this, we *want* our offence to be somewhat "unbalanced" towards the > side the ball is on. A wing or low post on the far side is of little > use at the moment when the ball is at the low-wing. People can > subsequently cut to those areas if the ball swings back up again, but > they don't serve any purpose if they're there at that precise point. > Having to wait for our people to cut back to swing just gives the oppositions defence too much time to readjust. I think our swing should be quicker that. Idealy if you were low post with a low wing in front of you with the ball a swing would beat your cut to wither opposite high post or low post. > >> From my experience as a off side forward ( unless I am > >> misunderstanding what you mean by high post ) there realy is no > >> room for me to cut too and I am probably better off doing a V cut > >> at best as aswing outlet or something. > > If you cut from the low-post on an arc-path up through the key to the > free-throw area, there'll be space for you there. I cut to that area > all the time, as do Olly and Kieron quite frequently. It creates a > scoring threat which also draws the defense up off the bassline - > something which will greatly benifit the low-wing should they decide > to drive or pass to the low post. I wouldn't have alled the free throw area high post so we could be misunderstanding each other. You tend to post up a LOT closer to the basket than I do. I prefer to draw out a forward to create room for either a) a pass to a cutting player b ) space for me to drive around. You tend to post up closer to the basket as you'll try for a spin hook. This probably accounts for our different perspective on where the space is for cutting. > > I'm certianly open to suggestions for different ways to go about it, > but we absolutely need to move the ball deeper into the low-wing area. > We're squandering our low post opportunities and seriously limiting > both our passing and scoring options. > I don't nessarily disagree with you on this but I'd need moer than a slow text based medium to figure it out. WHat I do think is important is that we should be able to get the ball from that low position to the other side wing without anyone moving much. Andrew. -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From Christopher.Grubb at au.fujitsu.com Wed Mar 4 14:53:08 2009 From: Christopher.Grubb at au.fujitsu.com (Grubb, Christopher) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:53:08 +1100 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: I hope you don't mind me chiming in. I actually don't think overloading one side is a problem as long as everyone understands why they are doing it. Having all 4 on one side against a standard zone should result in 3 defenders trying to guard 4 players. So the goal is to get: A) An easy entry pass to low post (At which point the high post cuts back to the opposite baseline) i) You have someone cutting through the key for the low post to pass to ii) The cutter will likely draw the center, preventing a double-team on the post iii) The cutter is moving to a good rebounding position B) An easy pass to the near elbow (Low post should cut along the baseline) i) You have a cutter (again moving to a good rebounding position) ii) Can shoot, or drive from the elbow. C) An open shot from the corner i) Your team doesn't really get this option because nobody playing on the wings is confident enough to shoot the shot. ii) If it was going to happen, high post should cut back to low post to establish good rebounding position. iii) The opposite wing should also crash the boards iv) PG at the top is safety At first glance it seems that you then lose the option to swing the ball, but you don't as long as you have a wing that is prepared to move. ___ O 5 3 / 4 / / 2 <------ 1 When you want to swing the ball from this set-up the ball should move from 3 -> 1 -> 2 as shown above. 4 Cuts to opposite low post. Then 5 cuts to opposite high post and 3 has to run the baseline so that they are open in the opposite corner. So you end up as below. 3 normally signals the switch by passing it back to 1 and then sprinting for the opposite corner. ___ 3 4 O 5 2 1 Off the top of my head this would probably work best with either Oliver or Kieron at the 3 position, as both have the confidence to take the long shot from the corner. As Tommo says, you don't want to run this every play. Your post positions give few open lanes for either 1 or 2 to drive at. A shot from the 1 (when loaded on the right) or 2 (when loaded on the left) gives you horrible rebounding positions. There really aren't many nice options for the 1 or 2 unless they are getting a kick-out pass from the post. -----Original Message----- From: basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Bailey Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 2:11 PM To: UCC Basketball Mailing List Subject: Re: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:59:03PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Of course you can disagree. > My biggest overall issue is that this lends itself to a 'quick' or possibly rushed offense. I like us a bit better when we swing it down both sides pretty quickley. Rest of my comments inline: > Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:28:38PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > >> Hi guys, > >> > > > > Am I allowed to disagree? > > > >> I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game, just > >> to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball movement > >> and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are tricky > >> to describe via email, but here's the gist of it... > >> > >> 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with > >> wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the > >> post position on either side of the keyway. > >> This is fine and sensible. > >> 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the point > >> passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have the > >> point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side). > >> > >> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down > >> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts up > >> to the high post. > >>a This is the bit I don't like as it ruins our spacing. we end up with four players on one side and an awful lot of congestion. In fact this a lot of what we do at the moment when our offense isn't working. I don't think we should aspire to shis structure. Especially as the week wing should really come accross to the top a bit for an outlet pass. >From my experience as a off side forward ( unless I am misunderstanding what you mean by high post ) there realy is no room for me to cut too and I am probably better off doing a V cut at best as aswing outlet or something. > >> 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing (5a) > >> or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these > >> options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then the > >> other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out option > >> to reset the offense. > >> > >> 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the option > >> to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason > >> we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we don't > >> tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a good > >> passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does go > >> into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should > >> both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra help > >> for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't cut > >> until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you. > >> > >> 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite a > >> few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either > >> stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the > >> point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end of a > >> drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there could > >> even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the keyway. > >> If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important for > >> the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for boards. > >> > >> There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this > >> setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come pretty > >> naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement - > >> guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side post > >> cuts to high post. > >> > >> Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try to > >> clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before the > >> game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it beforehand > >> then it'll be easier to set up on the day. > >> > >> I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but that > >> can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains ;) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Tom. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Basketball mailing list > >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > -- > > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, > > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," > > - Wayne Norbitz > > _______________________________________________ > > Basketball mailing list > > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz _______________________________________________ Basketball mailing list Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball This is an email from Fujitsu Australia Limited, ABN 19 001 011 427. It is confidential to the ordinary user of the email address to which it was addressed and may contain copyright and/or legally privileged information. No one else may read, print, store, copy or forward all or any of it or its attachments. If you receive this email in error, please return to sender. Thank you. If you do not wish to receive commercial email messages from Fujitsu Australia Limited, please email unsubscribe at au.fujitsu.com From grubbcm at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 15:10:34 2009 From: grubbcm at gmail.com (Christopher Grubb) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:10:34 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: References: <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: The conversation moved on a bit after I sent that from the email address that requires moderation. I agree with Andrew that swinging the ball like this is undoubtedly slower than having a man already wide, but the reality is your current offense often fails to move the defense and thus create the offense you would like it to. Swinging the ball should give you one of the following options: 1) An open shot outside (this works if its Oliver or Kieron getting the ball swung to them on the wing) 2) An open drive to the basket (I rarely see this) 3) An easy pass inside Most of the time the defense knows that all they actually need to cover is 3) so the defense just sits and waits for their guards to recover. (Yes I am saying that your wings need to take and have the confidence to take more shots) What you are trying to achieve by overloading one side is a 4 on 3 situation that should always result in at least 1 easy pass (or an open shot), and hopefully a higher percentage of easy passes into your forwards. At the very least the overloading strategy is worth having as an option that you are all faimiliar enough with that you can run it occasionally when your stock offense isn't working so well. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Grubb, Christopher < Christopher.Grubb at au.fujitsu.com> wrote: > I hope you don't mind me chiming in. > > I actually don't think overloading one side is a problem as long as > everyone understands why they are doing it. Having all 4 on one side > against a standard zone should result in 3 defenders trying to guard 4 > players. So the goal is to get: > > A) An easy entry pass to low post (At which point the high post cuts > back to the opposite baseline) > i) You have someone cutting through the key for the low post to pass > to > ii) The cutter will likely draw the center, preventing a double-team > on the post > iii) The cutter is moving to a good rebounding position > > B) An easy pass to the near elbow (Low post should cut along the > baseline) > i) You have a cutter (again moving to a good rebounding position) > ii) Can shoot, or drive from the elbow. > > C) An open shot from the corner > i) Your team doesn't really get this option because nobody playing on > the wings is confident enough to shoot the shot. > ii) If it was going to happen, high post should cut back to low post > to establish good rebounding position. > iii) The opposite wing should also crash the boards > iv) PG at the top is safety > > > At first glance it seems that you then lose the option to swing the > ball, but you don't as long as you have a wing that is prepared to move. > ___ > O 5 3 > / > 4 / > / > 2 <------ 1 > > > When you want to swing the ball from this set-up the ball should move > from 3 -> 1 -> 2 as shown above. 4 Cuts to opposite low post. Then 5 > cuts to opposite high post and 3 has to run the baseline so that they > are open in the opposite corner. So you end up as below. 3 normally > signals the switch by passing it back to 1 and then sprinting for the > opposite corner. > ___ > 3 4 O > > 5 > > 2 1 > > Off the top of my head this would probably work best with either Oliver > or Kieron at the 3 position, as both have the confidence to take the > long shot from the corner. > > > As Tommo says, you don't want to run this every play. Your post > positions give few open lanes for either 1 or 2 to drive at. A shot from > the 1 (when loaded on the right) or 2 (when loaded on the left) gives > you horrible rebounding positions. There really aren't many nice options > for the 1 or 2 unless they are getting a kick-out pass from the post. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > [mailto:basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Bailey > Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 2:11 PM > To: UCC Basketball Mailing List > Subject: Re: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:59:03PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > > Of course you can disagree. > > > > My biggest overall issue is that this lends itself to a 'quick' or > possibly rushed offense. I like us a bit better when we swing it down > both sides pretty quickley. > > Rest of my comments inline: > > > Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > > > > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:28:38PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > wrote: > > >> Hi guys, > > >> > > > > > > Am I allowed to disagree? > > > > > >> I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game, > just > > >> to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball > movement > > >> and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are > tricky > > >> to describe via email, but here's the gist of it... > > >> > > >> 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with > > >> wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the > > >> post position on either side of the keyway. > > >> > > This is fine and sensible. > > > >> 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the > point > > >> passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have > the > > >> point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side). > > >> > > >> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down > > >> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts > up > > >> to the high post. > > >>a > > This is the bit I don't like as it ruins our spacing. we end up with > four players on one side and an awful lot of congestion. In fact this a > lot of what we do at the moment when our offense isn't working. I don't > think we should aspire to shis structure. Especially as the week wing > should really come accross to the top a bit for an outlet pass. > > >From my experience as a off side forward ( unless I am misunderstanding > what you mean by high post ) there realy is no room for me to cut too > and I am probably better off doing a V cut at best as aswing outlet or > something. > > > >> 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing > (5a) > > >> or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these > > >> options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then > the > > >> other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out > option > > >> to reset the offense. > > >> > > >> 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the > option > > >> to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason > > >> we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we > don't > > >> tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a > good > > >> passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does > go > > >> into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should > > >> both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra > help > > >> for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't > cut > > >> until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you. > > >> > > >> 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite > a > > >> few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either > > >> stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the > > >> point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end > of a > > >> drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there > could > > >> even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the > keyway. > > >> If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important > for > > >> the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for > boards. > > >> > > >> There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this > > >> setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come > pretty > > >> naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement > - > > >> guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side > post > > >> cuts to high post. > > >> > > >> Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try > to > > >> clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before > the > > >> game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it > beforehand > > >> then it'll be easier to set up on the day. > > >> > > >> I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but > that > > >> can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains > ;) > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Tom. > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Basketball mailing list > > >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > > > -- > > > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of > athleticism, > > > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display > patriotism," > > > - Wayne Norbitz > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Basketball mailing list > > > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Basketball mailing list > > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -- > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of > athleticism, > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display > patriotism," > - Wayne Norbitz > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > > This is an email from Fujitsu Australia Limited, ABN 19 001 011 427. 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URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/basketball/attachments/20090304/88d6b377/attachment.htm From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 15:16:08 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:16:08 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304055401.GC1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304135903.15881nboa1ldqqow@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304143323.95302cw1owzkei0w@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304055401.GC1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090304151608.15501crw00t7gc68@secure.ucc.asn.au> Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > I don't agree with this as much. If you are in the low post and the wing > is in the right position you're pretty much open to a quick pass in my mind > but it would hurt to have a deep wing and point up. What won't work is the > other forward cutting to high post. The problem is that our wing doesn't tend to be in the right position, because they receive a shallow angle pass from the point guard resulting in them being way too high up to achieve a good passing angle. The other forward cutting up to high post is an absolute standard of tonnes of offensive plays, and creates so many options. You've really just said here "It won't work" without saying why, so I'm not sure how to explain this to you. > We don't really have that good deep jump shots either. The reason I > think this > will lead to a rushed offence is that we have no one to pass to to get it to > the other side . A good swing play will have the ball the other side > before any > of our forwards could cut to that space( and they are the closest ) Sometimes you need to actually localise your offense to a particular area, just for that specific branch of the offensive play. The other-side wing remains for a pass back towards the other side, and the other-side forward can cut out to the wing to complete the swing the rest of the way around. >> You're right that we get four players on one side, but I disagree that >> it'll ruin our spacing. The four players will be well-spaced, with a >> sizable box formation from high-to-low and key-to-sideline. >> > > Rememre there are some defenders in there as well and you tend to post up > quite high. There really isn't anywhere for the other forward to go > to on that side that doesn't just shut down. And most of our point > guards wont pass over an opposing gaurd so high post isn't really > going to get the ball in this scenario. I vastly favour the low post, and if I do post higher up, it's generally because the angle for a low post pass isn't there at the time. I really have to disagree with you about the forward cutting to the high post - there are areas there that aren't immediately shut down - I cut there all the time. It's a great area to put a body in as it causes a serious threat to the other team and opens up a really solid inside option other than the low post. > I wouldn't have alled the free throw area high post so we could be > misunderstanding each other. You tend to post up a LOT closer to the > basket than I do. I prefer to draw out a forward to create room for > either a) a pass to a cutting player b ) space for me to drive > around. You tend to post up closer to the basket as you'll try for > a spin hook. This probably accounts for our different perspective on > where the space is for cutting. If you push the high post much higher than the free throw area you're going to run into the point guard ;) Anyway, that's fine if that's the way you like to position yourself. Just to clarify - when I talk about cutting to the high post I don't mean to cut there and post up a player, I just mean cut to that space. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I think that area would suit your style of offense (allowing a bit of space to drive around or cut) quite well. Also, with you at the high area and me at the low area I think we'll find that our offensive styles will start to complement one another a lot more. > I don't nessarily disagree with you on this but I'd need moer than a > slow text based medium to figure it out. WHat I do think is > important is that we should be able to get the ball from that low > position to the other side wing without anyone moving much. I'm afraid such a setup doesn't really exist, unless we have 4 on the outside. I also have a serious objection to any offense which is run "without anyone moving much". That's one of our major issues at the moment - we play a flat-footed shallow swing offense that doesn't really tend to go anywhere - we need to MOVE more and actually push the defense a bit. Tom. From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 15:22:47 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:22:47 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090304152247.67621zoae27y70w0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Don't mind you chiming in at all - I was actually wondering if you were on the list because I wanted to get your input. The way you describe it here is pretty much what I had in mind. Although you took it a notch further and detailed the specifics of the swing option as well, which seems to be the main thing concerning Accy. Tom. Quoting "Grubb, Christopher" : > I hope you don't mind me chiming in. > > I actually don't think overloading one side is a problem as long as > everyone understands why they are doing it. Having all 4 on one side > against a standard zone should result in 3 defenders trying to guard 4 > players. So the goal is to get: > > A) An easy entry pass to low post (At which point the high post cuts > back to the opposite baseline) > i) You have someone cutting through the key for the low post to pass > to > ii) The cutter will likely draw the center, preventing a double-team > on the post > iii) The cutter is moving to a good rebounding position > > B) An easy pass to the near elbow (Low post should cut along the > baseline) > i) You have a cutter (again moving to a good rebounding position) > ii) Can shoot, or drive from the elbow. > > C) An open shot from the corner > i) Your team doesn't really get this option because nobody playing on > the wings is confident enough to shoot the shot. > ii) If it was going to happen, high post should cut back to low post > to establish good rebounding position. > iii) The opposite wing should also crash the boards > iv) PG at the top is safety > > > At first glance it seems that you then lose the option to swing the > ball, but you don't as long as you have a wing that is prepared to move. > ___ > O 5 3 > / > 4 / > / > 2 <------ 1 > > > When you want to swing the ball from this set-up the ball should move > from 3 -> 1 -> 2 as shown above. 4 Cuts to opposite low post. Then 5 > cuts to opposite high post and 3 has to run the baseline so that they > are open in the opposite corner. So you end up as below. 3 normally > signals the switch by passing it back to 1 and then sprinting for the > opposite corner. > ___ > 3 4 O > > 5 > > 2 1 > > Off the top of my head this would probably work best with either Oliver > or Kieron at the 3 position, as both have the confidence to take the > long shot from the corner. > > > As Tommo says, you don't want to run this every play. Your post > positions give few open lanes for either 1 or 2 to drive at. A shot from > the 1 (when loaded on the right) or 2 (when loaded on the left) gives > you horrible rebounding positions. There really aren't many nice options > for the 1 or 2 unless they are getting a kick-out pass from the post. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > [mailto:basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Bailey > Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 2:11 PM > To: UCC Basketball Mailing List > Subject: Re: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:59:03PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >> Of course you can disagree. >> > > My biggest overall issue is that this lends itself to a 'quick' or > possibly rushed offense. I like us a bit better when we swing it down > both sides pretty quickley. > > Rest of my comments inline: > >> Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : >> >> > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:28:38PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> >> > >> > Am I allowed to disagree? >> > >> >> I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game, > just >> >> to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball > movement >> >> and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are > tricky >> >> to describe via email, but here's the gist of it... >> >> >> >> 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with >> >> wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the >> >> post position on either side of the keyway. >> >> > > This is fine and sensible. > >> >> 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the > point >> >> passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have > the >> >> point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side). >> >> >> >> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down >> >> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts > up >> >> to the high post. >> >>a > > This is the bit I don't like as it ruins our spacing. we end up with > four players on one side and an awful lot of congestion. In fact this a > lot of what we do at the moment when our offense isn't working. I don't > think we should aspire to shis structure. Especially as the week wing > should really come accross to the top a bit for an outlet pass. > >> From my experience as a off side forward ( unless I am misunderstanding > what you mean by high post ) there realy is no room for me to cut too > and I am probably better off doing a V cut at best as aswing outlet or > something. > >> >> 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing > (5a) >> >> or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these >> >> options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then > the >> >> other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out > option >> >> to reset the offense. >> >> >> >> 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the > option >> >> to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason >> >> we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we > don't >> >> tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a > good >> >> passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does > go >> >> into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should >> >> both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra > help >> >> for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't > cut >> >> until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you. >> >> >> >> 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite > a >> >> few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either >> >> stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the >> >> point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end > of a >> >> drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there > could >> >> even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the > keyway. >> >> If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important > for >> >> the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for > boards. >> >> >> >> There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this >> >> setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come > pretty >> >> naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement > - >> >> guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side > post >> >> cuts to high post. >> >> >> >> Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try > to >> >> clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before > the >> >> game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it > beforehand >> >> then it'll be easier to set up on the day. >> >> >> >> I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but > that >> >> can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains > ;) >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tom. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Basketball mailing list >> >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> > >> > -- >> > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of > athleticism, >> > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display > patriotism," >> > - Wayne Norbitz >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Basketball mailing list >> > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -- > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of > athleticism, > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display > patriotism," > - Wayne Norbitz > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > > This is an email from Fujitsu Australia Limited, ABN 19 001 011 427. > It is confidential to the ordinary user of the email address to > which it was addressed and may contain copyright and/or legally > privileged information. 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Thank you. > > If you do not wish to receive commercial email messages from Fujitsu > Australia Limited, please email unsubscribe at au.fujitsu.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 15:37:27 2009 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:37:27 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304151608.15501crw00t7gc68@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304135903.15881nboa1ldqqow@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304143323.95302cw1owzkei0w@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304055401.GC1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304151608.15501crw00t7gc68@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090304063727.GD1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 03:16:08PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > > > I don't agree with this as much. If you are in the low post and the wing > > is in the right position you're pretty much open to a quick pass in my mind > > but it would hurt to have a deep wing and point up. What won't work is the > > other forward cutting to high post. > > The problem is that our wing doesn't tend to be in the right position, > because they receive a shallow angle pass from the point guard > resulting in them being way too high up to achieve a good passing angle. > > The other forward cutting up to high post is an absolute standard of > tonnes of offensive plays, and creates so many options. You've really > just said here "It won't work" without saying why, so I'm not sure how > to explain this to you. > Chris's little pictures kind of cleared it up for me. If you're on the baseline or close to it ( a foot or two ) I can see this working with the other forward cutting. If you further up than that, and you often are, then there isn't any space to cut to. Of course you could be higher because the wing isn't deep enough. I do actually try this cut a few times a game. It very rarely seems to be useful. > > We don't really have that good deep jump shots either. The reason I > > think this > > will lead to a rushed offence is that we have no one to pass to to get it to > > the other side . A good swing play will have the ball the other side > > before any > > of our forwards could cut to that space( and they are the closest ) > > Sometimes you need to actually localise your offense to a particular > area, just for that specific branch of the offensive play. The > other-side wing remains for a pass back towards the other side, and > the other-side forward can cut out to the wing to complete the swing > the rest of the way around. Fair enough. i don't dispute the need to try and disrupt a zone. But that needs. > > >> You're right that we get four players on one side, but I disagree that > >> it'll ruin our spacing. The four players will be well-spaced, with a > >> sizable box formation from high-to-low and key-to-sideline. > >> > > > > Rememre there are some defenders in there as well and you tend to post up > > quite high. There really isn't anywhere for the other forward to go > > to on that side that doesn't just shut down. And most of our point > > guards wont pass over an opposing gaurd so high post isn't really > > going to get the ball in this scenario. > > I vastly favour the low post, and if I do post higher up, it's > generally because the angle for a low post pass isn't there at the > time. I really have to disagree with you about the forward cutting to > the high post - there are areas there that aren't immediately shut > down - I cut there all the time. It's a great area to put a body in as > it causes a serious threat to the other team and opens up a really > solid inside option other than the low post. > I know you do go there a lot, I try and keep out of your way. > > I wouldn't have alled the free throw area high post so we could be > > misunderstanding each other. You tend to post up a LOT closer to the > > basket than I do. I prefer to draw out a forward to create room for > > either a) a pass to a cutting player b ) space for me to drive > > around. You tend to post up closer to the basket as you'll try for > > a spin hook. This probably accounts for our different perspective on > > where the space is for cutting. > > If you push the high post much higher than the free throw area you're > going to run into the point guard ;) > No cause the point guard is wide under you scenario ;-) > Anyway, that's fine if that's the way you like to position yourself. > Just to clarify - when I talk about cutting to the high post I don't > mean to cut there and post up a player, I just mean cut to that space. > Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I think that area would suit your > style of offense (allowing a bit of space to drive around or cut) > quite well. Also, with you at the high area and me at the low area I > think we'll find that our offensive styles will start to complement > one another a lot more. > Yeah we need to find a better way to make that work. > > I don't nessarily disagree with you on this but I'd need moer than a > > slow text based medium to figure it out. WHat I do think is > > important is that we should be able to get the ball from that low > > position to the other side wing without anyone moving much. > > I'm afraid such a setup doesn't really exist, unless we have 4 on the > outside. I also have a serious objection to any offense which is run > "without anyone moving much". That's one of our major issues at the > moment - we play a flat-footed shallow swing offense that doesn't > really tend to go anywhere - we need to MOVE more and actually push > the defense a bit. > *sigh* Yes we do need to move around more. I suppose my point is it's hard to capitalise on moving their defence around if you can't swing the ball quickly. That all said, I am quite willing to try the offense and see if it works. I suppose one selfish base of my concern is that it will involve me doing a lot of running and not really getting the ball. Andrew. -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 15:51:33 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:51:33 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304063727.GD1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304135903.15881nboa1ldqqow@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304143323.95302cw1owzkei0w@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304055401.GC1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304151608.15501crw00t7gc68@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304063727.GD1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090304155133.80297qo66l4la6ls@secure.ucc.asn.au> Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > Chris's little pictures kind of cleared it up for me. If you're on > the baseline or close to it ( a foot or two ) I can see this working > with the other forward cutting. If you further up than that, and you > often are, then there isn't any space to cut to. Of course you could > be higher because the wing isn't deep enough. I think this is typically the case :) > I do actually try this cut a few times a game. It very rarely seems > to be useful. I think you'll find it more useful if our offense is positioned in a manner which takes advantage of it. > I know you do go there a lot, I try and keep out of your way. Haha, fair enough. Well the other good thing about this offense is it establishes a nice set-area for us each to move in, which will alternate depending on which side the point pushes the ball to, so we shouldn't get in each other's way at all. > No cause the point guard is wide under you scenario ;-) Lol, this is true :) > That all said, I am quite willing to try the offense and see if it works. Awesome. I appreciate it. > I suppose one selfish base of my concern is that it will involve me > doing a lot of running and not really getting the ball. I don't know why you think you won't get the ball - if you and I are both on the court then this play will present both of us equally as the key inside options. And it also positions us really well for one of us to pass to the other on a cut. If anything, I think this offense is actually very well suited to your style of play, and it'll enable you to get more good scoring opportunities. Tom. From grubbcm at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 15:52:17 2009 From: grubbcm at gmail.com (Christopher Grubb) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:52:17 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: <20090304063727.GD1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20090304132838.304841q0vi1d3fr4@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304045346.GA1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304135903.15881nboa1ldqqow@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304051120.GB1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304143323.95302cw1owzkei0w@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304055401.GC1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090304151608.15501crw00t7gc68@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090304063727.GD1050@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: Off-Topic alert! Well its not that off-topic. But here's a helpful site / diagrams for offense ideas http://www.coachesclipboard.net/23ZoneOffense.html I find it reasonably easy to understand. Gives you a bit of theory on why you are doing things as well as the straight X's and O's. I hope some of you find it useful too. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/basketball/attachments/20090304/49f3462b/attachment.htm From chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 4 21:34:22 2009 From: chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Chas Stan-Bishop) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:34:22 +0900 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey guys, I'll chime in for a bit. First, what Tommo is talking about is partly kinda what we already do, with a couple of exeptions: - The weak-side forward often starts in the high post, rather than cutting there (esp if it's Oliver. I don't actually know what Andrew does. This is probably part of the problem :P) - The ball-side wing does not do something with the ball fast enough. - The PG (if it's me) often isn't thinking about a pass to high post from that position (i.e. from off to the side), having already committed mentally to a pass to the wing (I'm generally looking at them to make sure they're drifting down like they should be :P). Thus Andrews concerns re not getting the ball. Those three issues are enough to make it look like we aren't doing this play already. They are also fixable, especially if we all know what we're aiming for, and what we're currently not doing. I haven't forwarded this to Kieron, but if I were Kieron, my biggest concern would be pushing the wings down too far. This is something he has always had a problem with. I think this is largely because our wings are extemely vulnerable to a corner trap. If the wing is right down in the corner, they will regularly find themselves double teamed (either by a forward and guard, or two guards, depending on the defence) and trapped. A couple of observations about that: - It often happens because the wing is too slow to do something with the ball. I've been speaking about that this season, and it's fixable. - If we keep the wing up off the baseline a bit, it'll give them more room to move, which would help a bit. - If we do have a bit more room to move, people have to start trying to dribble or pass around the defenders, or at the very least pivot. They absolutely should not try and loop a pass to the PG, since it invariably gets stolen. A final observation. Andrew is worried about swing back from the corner. Chris points out that the easiset continuation is a baseline but from that corner all the way through. I will point out that that _is a long way_, and we don't have the legs to keep it up for very long, although perhaps it might be okay if we're only running it every so often. Perhaps we need a rule - if you pass from the corner, cut to the other corner. I think what we tried that season ages ago was that the high post cut out for the continuation, which might work, but that requires either a post to be vacant for a bit, or the wing to post (only marginally viable for James, say). *shrug* [Diagram] ___ O 5 3 / 4 / / 2 <------ 1 || || \/ ___ 4 O 3 5 2 1 OR ___ 4 5 O 3 2 1 I guess either might work, although there are disadvantages either way, especially given our player pool. Okay, enough from me. Long day. Tired. Thought used up. :P Chas On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Grubb, Christopher wrote: > I hope you don't mind me chiming in. > > I actually don't think overloading one side is a problem as long as > everyone understands why they are doing it. Having all 4 on one side > against a standard zone should result in 3 defenders trying to guard 4 > players. So the goal is to get: > > A) An easy entry pass to low post (At which point the high post cuts > back to the opposite baseline) > i) You have someone cutting through the key for the low post to pass > to > ii) The cutter will likely draw the center, preventing a double-team > on the post > iii) The cutter is moving to a good rebounding position > > B) An easy pass to the near elbow (Low post should cut along the > baseline) > i) You have a cutter (again moving to a good rebounding position) > ii) Can shoot, or drive from the elbow. > > C) An open shot from the corner > i) Your team doesn't really get this option because nobody playing on > the wings is confident enough to shoot the shot. > ii) If it was going to happen, high post should cut back to low post > to establish good rebounding position. > iii) The opposite wing should also crash the boards > iv) PG at the top is safety > > > At first glance it seems that you then lose the option to swing the > ball, but you don't as long as you have a wing that is prepared to move. > ___ > O 5 3 > / > 4 / > / > 2 <------ 1 > > > When you want to swing the ball from this set-up the ball should move > from 3 -> 1 -> 2 as shown above. 4 Cuts to opposite low post. Then 5 > cuts to opposite high post and 3 has to run the baseline so that they > are open in the opposite corner. So you end up as below. 3 normally > signals the switch by passing it back to 1 and then sprinting for the > opposite corner. > ___ > 3 4 O > > 5 > > 2 1 > > Off the top of my head this would probably work best with either Oliver > or Kieron at the 3 position, as both have the confidence to take the > long shot from the corner. > > > As Tommo says, you don't want to run this every play. Your post > positions give few open lanes for either 1 or 2 to drive at. A shot from > the 1 (when loaded on the right) or 2 (when loaded on the left) gives > you horrible rebounding positions. There really aren't many nice options > for the 1 or 2 unless they are getting a kick-out pass from the post. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > [mailto:basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Bailey > Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 2:11 PM > To: UCC Basketball Mailing List > Subject: Re: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup > > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:59:03PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >> Of course you can disagree. >> > > My biggest overall issue is that this lends itself to a 'quick' or > possibly rushed offense. I like us a bit better when we swing it down > both sides pretty quickley. > > Rest of my comments inline: > >> Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : >> >>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:28:38PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > wrote: >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>> >>> Am I allowed to disagree? >>> >>>> I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game, > just >>>> to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball > movement >>>> and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are > tricky >>>> to describe via email, but here's the gist of it... >>>> >>>> 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with >>>> wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the >>>> post position on either side of the keyway. >>>> > > This is fine and sensible. > >>>> 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the > point >>>> passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have > the >>>> point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side). >>>> >>>> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down >>>> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts > up >>>> to the high post. >>>> a > > This is the bit I don't like as it ruins our spacing. we end up with > four players on one side and an awful lot of congestion. In fact this a > lot of what we do at the moment when our offense isn't working. I don't > think we should aspire to shis structure. Especially as the week wing > should really come accross to the top a bit for an outlet pass. > >> From my experience as a off side forward ( unless I am misunderstanding > what you mean by high post ) there realy is no room for me to cut too > and I am probably better off doing a V cut at best as aswing outlet or > something. > >>>> 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing > (5a) >>>> or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these >>>> options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then > the >>>> other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out > option >>>> to reset the offense. >>>> >>>> 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the > option >>>> to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason >>>> we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we > don't >>>> tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a > good >>>> passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does > go >>>> into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should >>>> both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra > help >>>> for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't > cut >>>> until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you. >>>> >>>> 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite > a >>>> few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either >>>> stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the >>>> point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end > of a >>>> drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there > could >>>> even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the > keyway. >>>> If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important > for >>>> the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for > boards. >>>> >>>> There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this >>>> setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come > pretty >>>> naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement > - >>>> guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side > post >>>> cuts to high post. >>>> >>>> Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try > to >>>> clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before > the >>>> game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it > beforehand >>>> then it'll be easier to set up on the day. >>>> >>>> I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but > that >>>> can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains > ;) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Tom. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Basketball mailing list >>>> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >>>> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >>> >>> -- >>> "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of > athleticism, >>> it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display > patriotism," >>> - Wayne Norbitz >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Basketball mailing list >>> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >>> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -- > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of > athleticism, > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display > patriotism," > - Wayne Norbitz > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > > This is an email from Fujitsu Australia Limited, ABN 19 001 011 427. 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Thank you. > > If you do not wish to receive commercial email messages from Fujitsu Australia Limited, please email unsubscribe at au.fujitsu.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Mar 8 10:49:36 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:49:36 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training Message-ID: <20090308104936.16331j36lg0gfk8w@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi guys, Kieron mentioned to me after the game that he's having a birthday thingy on Saturday afternoon, which I assume means Chas, Dave, Olly and possibly others won't be able to make training then. So I'm going to try to book the UWA gym for the late morning/early afternoon instead. Can people make that time? Thanks, Tom. From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Mar 9 09:24:40 2009 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:24:40 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training In-Reply-To: <20090308104936.16331j36lg0gfk8w@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090308104936.16331j36lg0gfk8w@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090309002440.GA13581@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 10:49:36AM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Hi guys, > > Kieron mentioned to me after the game that he's having a birthday > thingy on Saturday afternoon, which I assume means Chas, Dave, Olly > and possibly others won't be able to make training then. So I'm going > to try to book the UWA gym for the late morning/early afternoon > instead. Can people make that time? > I should be fine from about 11 onwards. > Thanks, > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Mar 9 14:29:21 2009 From: chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Chas Stan-Bishop) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:29:21 +0900 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] Training In-Reply-To: <20090309002440.GA13581@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20090308104936.16331j36lg0gfk8w@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090309002440.GA13581@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Andrew Bailey wrote: > On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 10:49:36AM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> Kieron mentioned to me after the game that he's having a birthday >> thingy on Saturday afternoon, which I assume means Chas, Dave, Olly >> and possibly others won't be able to make training then. So I'm going >> to try to book the UWA gym for the late morning/early afternoon >> instead. Can people make that time? >> > > I should be fine from about 11 onwards. Likewise. Unless something wedding-related comes up. Chas From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Mar 9 17:19:17 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:19:17 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training In-Reply-To: References: <20090308104936.16331j36lg0gfk8w@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090309002440.GA13581@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090309171917.10014mcutydun668@secure.ucc.asn.au> I've booked us in at the UWA Rec Centre. We have a half-court from 11:30-1 on Saturday. Unless one of us has a sports membership (anyone?), it'll be $18, so please bring $2-3 to chip in. If anyone can't make it, please email the list to let me know. It'll affect what sort of practice drills we can and can't run, so it's really important that we know how many people will be there in advance. Chris and Dunc are welcome too, of course. If no one objects, I'd like to take the lead on organising these practice sessions in terms of drills, etc. I'm perfectly happy to coordinate this with others, if they're keen to be involved. I just want to make sure we have specific stuff to focus on going into each training session. I'll also try to post some youtube clips relating to whatever we'll be practicing, so that people can have a look before the training session, if they want. Tom. Quoting "Chas Stan-Bishop" : > > > On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Andrew Bailey wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 10:49:36AM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Kieron mentioned to me after the game that he's having a birthday >>> thingy on Saturday afternoon, which I assume means Chas, Dave, Olly >>> and possibly others won't be able to make training then. So I'm going >>> to try to book the UWA gym for the late morning/early afternoon >>> instead. Can people make that time? >>> >> >> I should be fine from about 11 onwards. > > Likewise. Unless something wedding-related comes up. > > Chas > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From omailes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Mar 9 17:23:21 2009 From: omailes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (omailes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:23:21 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Winter Comp Message-ID: <20090309172321.164830d445ootzpc@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi folks, As I mentioned on Saturday I am handing off my organisational role in the team this winter comp. Right now the key thing you need to do is to get in touch with people at Claremont to make sure that we are enrolled as a team for the 2009 season. The 2009 season starts on 28 March (just under 3 weeks away). My contacts at Claremont are Seb (email gerbaz at iinet.net.au mob 0402 486 943) and Dan Paterson (0421 367 334). I would recommend going through Seb first if possible. I *strongly* suggest that someone who knows Seb is the primary contact and organiser. Failing either of these two Chris may know someone else to contact. There is a nomination form at www.baptistbasketball.info - it may be worth it to fill it in and email it to Seb and ask him to pass it on. Team nomination fees are $170, which need to be paid up front. Game fees are $40. I paid for the whole season up front last year, that isn't required. I do not intend to play this season. I will probably be available from time to time if required to make up numbers. Oliver From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 11 08:25:23 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:25:23 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Saturday's training - Offense Message-ID: <20090311082523.558605xajdzk1skk@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi guys, I've been planning Saturday's training session. I think we'll focus on offense this weekend, and look at defense and rebounding next weekend. There's a really good ball movement setup that is based on the swing we already do, but extends it further with cuts through the keyway and additional passing options. It's quite easy to learn and definitely within our skill level. I'll post a youtube vid of it in the next day or two and then we'll give it a try on Saturday. We'll also have a bit of a talk about setting screens, as well as where to cut to provide support when someone else is driving to the basket. Remember, if you can't make it, please let me know beforehand. Tom. From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 11 19:46:13 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:46:13 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training video - motion zone offense Message-ID: <20090311194613.10804iiz6kzphx1c@secure.ucc.asn.au> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSiANn5r5HU This is the offense I'd like us to have a go at. Its starting position is almost identical to the way our offense is normally set up, so it shouldn't feel too unnatural to begin with. Please have a look at this until you're familiar with the general movements. When we're at training I'll go into some further details and explanation. Thanks, Tom. From chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Mar 12 00:38:20 2009 From: chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Chas Stan-Bishop) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:38:20 +0900 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] Training video - motion zone offense In-Reply-To: <20090311194613.10804iiz6kzphx1c@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090311194613.10804iiz6kzphx1c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: Hey guys, It looks like we might have to be moving house on Saturday, which would put a bit of a dampener on Dave's and my attendence. :( Won't know for sure what's going on till we've comfirmed some stuff tomorrow, will let you know as soon as we do. Offence is interesting. Not sure how suited it will be to some of our players, but worth a try, at least. Although probably not this week if it does turn out that Dave and I can't make it? Sorry obout the late notice. :/ Chas On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSiANn5r5HU > > This is the offense I'd like us to have a go at. Its starting position > is almost identical to the way our offense is normally set up, so it > shouldn't feel too unnatural to begin with. > > Please have a look at this until you're familiar with the general > movements. When we're at training I'll go into some further details > and explanation. > > Thanks, > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Mar 12 08:51:46 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:51:46 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training video - motion zone offense In-Reply-To: References: <20090311194613.10804iiz6kzphx1c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090312085146.559422bs1lwzni5c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Just try to let me know asap if you'll be able to make it. Will this affect Kieron's attendance? If we can still get 5 or 6 players, it'll probably still be worthwhile. As far as the offense goes, I know it's going to require some of our guys to cut and/or dribble when they're not used to it, but honestly, that's just something we're going to have to do anyway. I've got a plan on how to tweak the movements a bit to give extra support to the players who need it. I think it'll work really well and give us a much stronger offense, if we do it right. Tom. Quoting "Chas Stan-Bishop" : > Hey guys, > > It looks like we might have to be moving house on Saturday, which would > put a bit of a dampener on Dave's and my attendence. :( Won't know for > sure what's going on till we've comfirmed some stuff tomorrow, will let > you know as soon as we do. > > Offence is interesting. Not sure how suited it will be to some of our > players, but worth a try, at least. Although probably not this week if it > does turn out that Dave and I can't make it? Sorry obout the late notice. > :/ > > Chas > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSiANn5r5HU >> >> This is the offense I'd like us to have a go at. Its starting position >> is almost identical to the way our offense is normally set up, so it >> shouldn't feel too unnatural to begin with. >> >> Please have a look at this until you're familiar with the general >> movements. When we're at training I'll go into some further details >> and explanation. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Mar 12 21:25:11 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:25:11 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply Message-ID: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris and/or Dunc come along. Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. Thanks, Tom. From omailes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Mar 12 22:27:21 2009 From: omailes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (omailes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:27:21 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090312222721.182869ddhue9rzi8@secure.ucc.asn.au> I will not be at the training session. Oliver From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Mar 12 22:33:35 2009 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:33:35 +0900 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be > there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? I can make the training session. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 13 08:42:21 2009 From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Lloyd) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:42:21 +0900 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: I can make the training session. > On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > >> Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be >> there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? > > I can make the training session. > > From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 13 09:17:28 2009 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:17:28 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090313001727.GA14885@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> I can be there. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:25:11PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. > > Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by > with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris > and/or Dunc come along. > > Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be > there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? > > It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted > to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - > one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. > > Thanks, > Tom. > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From grubbcm at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 09:23:28 2009 From: grubbcm at gmail.com (Christopher Grubb) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:23:28 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: I don't have trasnport :( but am otherwise keen... On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. > > Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by > with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris > and/or Dunc come along. > > Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be > there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? > > It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted > to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - > one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. > > Thanks, > Tom. > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/basketball/attachments/20090313/d5e8e68b/attachment.htm From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 13 09:28:39 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:28:39 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090313092839.787233929cj7cxq8@secure.ucc.asn.au> Anyone live near the Grubbmeister? North Perth iirc? Looks like we should have enough, although I'm still waiting on Dunc and Kieron (who I've sms'd). Tom. Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : > I don't have trasnport :( but am otherwise keen... > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > >> Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. >> >> Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by >> with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris >> and/or Dunc come along. >> >> Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be >> there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? >> >> It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted >> to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - >> one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> >> > From grubbcm at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 09:23:28 2009 From: grubbcm at gmail.com (Christopher Grubb) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:23:28 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: I don't have trasnport :( but am otherwise keen... On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. > > Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by > with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris > and/or Dunc come along. > > Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be > there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? > > It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted > to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - > one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. > > Thanks, > Tom. > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/basketball/attachments/20090313/d5e8e68b/attachment-0001.htm From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 13 09:47:10 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:47:10 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training In-Reply-To: References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090313094710.12352e96uqqh1ybk@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hey Chris, I wanted to talk to you about the training stuff I had in mind, to get your take on it, plus any suggestions if you think there's other stuff we should cover. Have you watched the clip of the offense that I emailed? I really like this setup because it starts out the same way our team always does with the shallow swing to wings, but then involves swings to the deep wing, constant cutting and side-overloads. I love the cut-and-switch between the 2-out-1-in and 1-out-2-in triangles, and think it'll be great for encouraging some of our more timid players to attack the key a bit more, not to mention the wealth of passing options it'll open up. And because it's so closely modelled on what we do already, I think it should be easy for everyone to remember and put into practice. The only slight adjustment I had in mind was that our point would probably want to drift a little left and right on the swing, so they could lend support to the deep-wing if they get stuck after the wing cuts to the key. Especially when the deep-wing is a less confident ball handler. I also like this because it's an offense where either Accy or I can be the big guy inside. It'll probably be me most of the time, but if Accy works the middle from time to time (thus making me one of the three wings), it frees me up to cut through the keyway and into the low-post area, as well as for the occasional outside shot. Regardless of which of us is inside, it'll also allow Accy and I to work in tandem a lot better. I think there's a bit too much of an attitude of "playing an offense that 'suits' the players", ie. me and Accy (and to a slightly lesser extent Kieron and Alwyn) cut and penetrate the defense and create offensive threats, while anyone else on the court stays outside the defense where it's safe. I really want to help our guys get over that attitude, because it doesn't take long for other teams to realise they just need to play hard on me and Accy and then everything will collapse. The other stuff I was planning on covering tomorrow were some basic exercises in setting screens & some pick-and-roll drills (if you have any suggestions for good drills there please say so), as well as talking about cuts - making sure there's clear visibility between you and the ball handler, if they drive high you cut backdoor and vice-versa, in general either cut to space or "past" the hoop and out, v-cuts, etc. And here ends the longer-than-I-intended email. What do you think? Any input or suggestions? Tom. From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 13 09:48:46 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:48:46 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training In-Reply-To: <20090313094710.12352e96uqqh1ybk@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090313094710.12352e96uqqh1ybk@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090313094846.10961xoc9wrfsmsg@secure.ucc.asn.au> D'oh, that was just meant to go to Chris. Didn't want to give everyone else information overload. The rest of you can read it if you want - there's nothing confidential :P Tom. Quoting tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: > Hey Chris, > > I wanted to talk to you about the training stuff I had in mind, to get > your take on it, plus any suggestions if you think there's other stuff > we should cover. > > Have you watched the clip of the offense that I emailed? I really like > this setup because it starts out the same way our team always does > with the shallow swing to wings, but then involves swings to the deep > wing, constant cutting and side-overloads. I love the cut-and-switch > between the 2-out-1-in and 1-out-2-in triangles, and think it'll be > great for encouraging some of our more timid players to attack the key > a bit more, not to mention the wealth of passing options it'll open > up. And because it's so closely modelled on what we do already, I > think it should be easy for everyone to remember and put into practice. > > The only slight adjustment I had in mind was that our point would > probably want to drift a little left and right on the swing, so they > could lend support to the deep-wing if they get stuck after the wing > cuts to the key. Especially when the deep-wing is a less confident > ball handler. > > I also like this because it's an offense where either Accy or I can be > the big guy inside. It'll probably be me most of the time, but if Accy > works the middle from time to time (thus making me one of the three > wings), it frees me up to cut through the keyway and into the low-post > area, as well as for the occasional outside shot. Regardless of which > of us is inside, it'll also allow Accy and I to work in tandem a lot > better. > > I think there's a bit too much of an attitude of "playing an offense > that 'suits' the players", ie. me and Accy (and to a slightly lesser > extent Kieron and Alwyn) cut and penetrate the defense and create > offensive threats, while anyone else on the court stays outside the > defense where it's safe. I really want to help our guys get over that > attitude, because it doesn't take long for other teams to realise they > just need to play hard on me and Accy and then everything will collapse. > > The other stuff I was planning on covering tomorrow were some basic > exercises in setting screens & some pick-and-roll drills (if you have > any suggestions for good drills there please say so), as well as > talking about cuts - making sure there's clear visibility between you > and the ball handler, if they drive high you cut backdoor and > vice-versa, in general either cut to space or "past" the hoop and out, > v-cuts, etc. > > And here ends the longer-than-I-intended email. What do you think? Any > input or suggestions? > > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From dunc+bb at dunc.org Fri Mar 13 09:53:30 2009 From: dunc+bb at dunc.org (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:53:30 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090313092839.787233929cj7cxq8@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090313092839.787233929cj7cxq8@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: I'm a probably not, although I will try. 30% chance :-) Will probably be out riding with Joh, training for our ride on the Great Ocean Rd at Easter. cheers ,dunc On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > Anyone live near the Grubbmeister? North Perth iirc? > > Looks like we should have enough, although I'm still waiting on Dunc > and Kieron (who I've sms'd). > > Tom. > > Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : > > > I don't have trasnport :( but am otherwise keen... > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > > > >> Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. > >> > >> Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by > >> with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris > >> and/or Dunc come along. > >> > >> Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be > >> there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? > >> > >> It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted > >> to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - > >> one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tom. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Basketball mailing list > >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > >> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/basketball/attachments/20090313/a0340f1e/attachment.htm From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 13 09:56:09 2009 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:56:09 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090313092839.787233929cj7cxq8@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090313092839.787233929cj7cxq8@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090313005609.GB14885@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 09:28:39AM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Anyone live near the Grubbmeister? North Perth iirc? > I am in leederville, which is close to north perth. I could probably give Chris a lift. Andrew. > Looks like we should have enough, although I'm still waiting on Dunc > and Kieron (who I've sms'd). > > Tom. > > Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : > > > I don't have trasnport :( but am otherwise keen... > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > > > >> Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. > >> > >> Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by > >> with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris > >> and/or Dunc come along. > >> > >> Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be > >> there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? > >> > >> It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted > >> to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - > >> one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tom. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Basketball mailing list > >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > >> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From Christopher.Grubb at au.fujitsu.com Fri Mar 13 10:03:20 2009 From: Christopher.Grubb at au.fujitsu.com (Grubb, Christopher) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:03:20 +1100 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090313005609.GB14885@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: 488 Charles Street, North Perth. Its on the East side of the road. 0400 787 997 is my mobile if you're having trouble finding it -----Original Message----- From: basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Bailey Sent: Friday, 13 March 2009 9:56 AM To: UCC Basketball Mailing List Subject: Re: [UCCBball] Training - please reply On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 09:28:39AM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: > Anyone live near the Grubbmeister? North Perth iirc? > I am in leederville, which is close to north perth. I could probably give Chris a lift. Andrew. > Looks like we should have enough, although I'm still waiting on Dunc > and Kieron (who I've sms'd). > > Tom. > > Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : > > > I don't have trasnport :( but am otherwise keen... > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > > > >> Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. > >> > >> Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by > >> with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris > >> and/or Dunc come along. > >> > >> Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be > >> there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? > >> > >> It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted > >> to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - > >> one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tom. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Basketball mailing list > >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > >> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz _______________________________________________ Basketball mailing list Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball This is an email from Fujitsu Australia Limited, ABN 19 001 011 427. It is confidential to the ordinary user of the email address to which it was addressed and may contain copyright and/or legally privileged information. No one else may read, print, store, copy or forward all or any of it or its attachments. If you receive this email in error, please return to sender. Thank you. If you do not wish to receive commercial email messages from Fujitsu Australia Limited, please email unsubscribe at au.fujitsu.com From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 13 10:00:25 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:00:25 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090313005609.GB14885@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090313092839.787233929cj7cxq8@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090313005609.GB14885@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090313100025.84036qxgq29s0pa8@secure.ucc.asn.au> Awesome. If you guys can arrange that then we have at least five. Which is less than I'd hoped for, but enough for us to run the offensive drills. Hopefully Kieron can make it as well. I've only sms'd him, does anyone have a reliable email contact for him? Tom. Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 09:28:39AM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >> Anyone live near the Grubbmeister? North Perth iirc? >> > > I am in leederville, which is close to north perth. I could probably > give Chris a lift. > > > Andrew. >> Looks like we should have enough, although I'm still waiting on Dunc >> and Kieron (who I've sms'd). >> >> Tom. >> >> Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : >> >> > I don't have trasnport :( but am otherwise keen... >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, wrote: >> > >> >> Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. >> >> >> >> Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by >> >> with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris >> >> and/or Dunc come along. >> >> >> >> Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be >> >> there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? >> >> >> >> It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted >> >> to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - >> >> one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tom. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Basketball mailing list >> >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -- > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," > - Wayne Norbitz > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From Christopher.Grubb at au.fujitsu.com Fri Mar 13 10:09:40 2009 From: Christopher.Grubb at au.fujitsu.com (Grubb, Christopher) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:09:40 +1100 Subject: [UCCBball] Training In-Reply-To: <20090313094710.12352e96uqqh1ybk@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I haven't remembered to check in the brief periods I've been home this week. I'll try to look at it before tomorrow so that I know what's going on, but I'm out tonight as well. Chris -----Original Message----- From: basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sent: Friday, 13 March 2009 9:47 AM To: UCC Basketball Mailing List Subject: [UCCBball] Training Hey Chris, I wanted to talk to you about the training stuff I had in mind, to get your take on it, plus any suggestions if you think there's other stuff we should cover. Have you watched the clip of the offense that I emailed? I really like this setup because it starts out the same way our team always does with the shallow swing to wings, but then involves swings to the deep wing, constant cutting and side-overloads. I love the cut-and-switch between the 2-out-1-in and 1-out-2-in triangles, and think it'll be great for encouraging some of our more timid players to attack the key a bit more, not to mention the wealth of passing options it'll open up. And because it's so closely modelled on what we do already, I think it should be easy for everyone to remember and put into practice. The only slight adjustment I had in mind was that our point would probably want to drift a little left and right on the swing, so they could lend support to the deep-wing if they get stuck after the wing cuts to the key. Especially when the deep-wing is a less confident ball handler. I also like this because it's an offense where either Accy or I can be the big guy inside. It'll probably be me most of the time, but if Accy works the middle from time to time (thus making me one of the three wings), it frees me up to cut through the keyway and into the low-post area, as well as for the occasional outside shot. Regardless of which of us is inside, it'll also allow Accy and I to work in tandem a lot better. I think there's a bit too much of an attitude of "playing an offense that 'suits' the players", ie. me and Accy (and to a slightly lesser extent Kieron and Alwyn) cut and penetrate the defense and create offensive threats, while anyone else on the court stays outside the defense where it's safe. I really want to help our guys get over that attitude, because it doesn't take long for other teams to realise they just need to play hard on me and Accy and then everything will collapse. The other stuff I was planning on covering tomorrow were some basic exercises in setting screens & some pick-and-roll drills (if you have any suggestions for good drills there please say so), as well as talking about cuts - making sure there's clear visibility between you and the ball handler, if they drive high you cut backdoor and vice-versa, in general either cut to space or "past" the hoop and out, v-cuts, etc. And here ends the longer-than-I-intended email. What do you think? Any input or suggestions? Tom. _______________________________________________ Basketball mailing list Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball This is an email from Fujitsu Australia Limited, ABN 19 001 011 427. It is confidential to the ordinary user of the email address to which it was addressed and may contain copyright and/or legally privileged information. No one else may read, print, store, copy or forward all or any of it or its attachments. If you receive this email in error, please return to sender. Thank you. If you do not wish to receive commercial email messages from Fujitsu Australia Limited, please email unsubscribe at au.fujitsu.com From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 13 20:33:34 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:33:34 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training - please reply In-Reply-To: <20090313100025.84036qxgq29s0pa8@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090312212511.139212u3yourlhk0@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090313092839.787233929cj7cxq8@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090313005609.GB14885@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090313100025.84036qxgq29s0pa8@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090313203334.185118elouiodw8w@secure.ucc.asn.au> Kieron has informed me that he won't be able to make it, which means we've just got five - me, Chris, Accy, James and Alwyn (and maybe Dunc if we're lucky). I'm happy to run the session with only five players, but this means it's absolutely *essential* that we all show up. If anyone can't make it for any reason, please let me know as early as possible. To the people who can't make it, please make the effort to learn the movements of the offense shown in the video that I posted. If we do a little recap of it at the start of next week's training session, hopefully you'll be able to join in without too much difficulty. Thanks, Tom. Quoting tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: > Awesome. If you guys can arrange that then we have at least five. > Which is less than I'd hoped for, but enough for us to run the > offensive drills. Hopefully Kieron can make it as well. I've only > sms'd him, does anyone have a reliable email contact for him? > > Tom. > > Quoting "Andrew Bailey" : > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 09:28:39AM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote: >>> Anyone live near the Grubbmeister? North Perth iirc? >>> >> >> I am in leederville, which is close to north perth. I could probably >> give Chris a lift. >> >> >> Andrew. >>> Looks like we should have enough, although I'm still waiting on Dunc >>> and Kieron (who I've sms'd). >>> >>> Tom. >>> >>> Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : >>> >>> > I don't have trasnport :( but am otherwise keen... >>> > >>> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi guys. Unfortunately Chas and Dave are out due to moving house. >>> >> >>> >> Given that we're looking at running an offensive setup, we can get by >>> >> with 5 or more. We can still manage that, and even more if Chris >>> >> and/or Dunc come along. >>> >> >>> >> Could everyone please reply to this email asap saying if they'll be >>> >> there on Saturday, so I know whether or not to cancel? >>> >> >>> >> It'd be really nice if we could still go ahead with this, as I wanted >>> >> to use both Saturdays between now and the new season for training - >>> >> one for offense and one for defense/rebounding. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> Tom. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Basketball mailing list >>> >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >>> >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Basketball mailing list >>> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >>> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> >> -- >> "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, >> it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," >> - Wayne Norbitz >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Mar 14 14:53:26 2009 From: tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:53:26 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Next week's training Message-ID: <20090314145326.17793ut7rfozux4w@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi everyone, Training today was really great, I thought. Everyone did a good job running through the new offensive setup and I think we made some definite progress, which was very pleasing to see. I've booked the gym again for next week, 1pm-2:30pm on Saturday. This time we'll be focusing on our zone defense and rebounding, as well as a brief recap of the stuff from this week's session. Once again I'll probably be emailing some youtube clips for people to watch beforehand. If anyone can't make it next week, or wants me to try and shift the time, please let me know. Hopefully we can get everyone there! Thanks, Tom. From tommo at ucc.asn.au Fri Mar 20 11:20:09 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:20:09 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Training tomorrow Message-ID: <20090320112009.103065jkok5icuww@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi guys, Just a reminder that training is on tomorrow, 1-2:30pm at the UWA gym. If anyone can't make it could they please let me know. Also, remember to bring along a few dollars to contribute to court hire. See you there :) Tom. From tommo at ucc.asn.au Sat Mar 21 18:47:27 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:47:27 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday Message-ID: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi guys, I just realised I won't be able to attend the training session next Sunday afternoon. It's generally a good time for me, though, so I shall be able to attend subsequent sessions. The question is, should I still book the gym as we discussed? You guys are perfectly capable of practicing what we've covered without me :) Oh, and for Accy's benefit, we tried to figure out details for future training sessions after you'd left, and ended up with fortnightly Sundays, from 5:30-6:30pm, being the best option for everyone. Hope that works for you too. Cheers, Tom. From tommo at ucc.asn.au Sat Mar 21 21:50:38 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:50:38 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Theory Cheat Sheet Message-ID: <20090321215038.21342u0ho0ca9vnk@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi guys, Here's a recap of the basic theory we covered in training, in case anyone wants to refresh their memory before the game. CUTTING TO SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO'S DRIVING TO THE BASKET 1). Make sure there's a clear line of sight between you and the ball-handler. 2). Generally, if they're in the low/baseline area you should cut to the middle, and vice-versa. 3). Call for the ball. LOUD. BOXING OUT 1). LOOK FOR THE MAN, NOT THE BASKET. 2). Physically stop your opponent's movement by hand-checking them. 3). Put your back to them and assume box-out position: - Wide-spread stance with knees bent, - Arms out to the side and turned up, to establish the widest body position. 4). Wait until the ball is coming off the hoop before moving forward for the rebound. Don't move off your opponent early! I'd also like us to all get in the habit of yelling "Box!" everytime we see a shot go up. It'll keep it constantly fresh in everyone's minds. Hope this comes in useful to some of you :) Thanks, Tom. From tommo at ucc.asn.au Wed Mar 25 08:48:19 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:48:19 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Hi chaps, Apparently the entire rec centre is booked all-day Sunday for some sort of event, so no training for us this week :( I'm probably going to head down to the outdoor court at Nedlands Primary after work today. If anyone would like to join me for some practice, they're more than welcome. Tom. PS. Hey Alwyn, any word on our game time yet? Quoting tommo at ucc.asn.au: > Hi guys, > > I just realised I won't be able to attend the training session next > Sunday afternoon. > > It's generally a good time for me, though, so I shall be able to > attend subsequent sessions. The question is, should I still book the > gym as we discussed? You guys are perfectly capable of practicing what > we've covered without me :) > > Oh, and for Accy's benefit, we tried to figure out details for future > training sessions after you'd left, and ended up with fortnightly > Sundays, from 5:30-6:30pm, being the best option for everyone. Hope > that works for you too. > > Cheers, > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 25 09:39:27 2009 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:39:27 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:48:19AM +0900, tommo at ucc.asn.au wrote: > Hi chaps, > > Apparently the entire rec centre is booked all-day Sunday for some > sort of event, so no training for us this week :( > > I'm probably going to head down to the outdoor court at Nedlands > Primary after work today. If anyone would like to join me for some > practice, they're more than welcome. > > Tom. > > PS. Hey Alwyn, any word on our game time yet? > Fixtures are up at http://www.baptistbasketball.info/. Of course without knowing which division we are in or which claremont team we are it's a bit of guesswork. But if we are in Division C2 we are either on at 3:30 PM ( claremont 1) or 6:00 pm ( claremont 2). Andrew. > Quoting tommo at ucc.asn.au: > > > Hi guys, > > > > I just realised I won't be able to attend the training session next > > Sunday afternoon. > > > > It's generally a good time for me, though, so I shall be able to > > attend subsequent sessions. The question is, should I still book the > > gym as we discussed? You guys are perfectly capable of practicing what > > we've covered without me :) > > > > Oh, and for Accy's benefit, we tried to figure out details for future > > training sessions after you'd left, and ended up with fortnightly > > Sundays, from 5:30-6:30pm, being the best option for everyone. Hope > > that works for you too. > > > > Cheers, > > Tom. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Basketball mailing list > > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From grubbcm at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 10:32:17 2009 From: grubbcm at gmail.com (Christopher Grubb) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:32:17 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: Wow, numbers are way down on usual. MA1: 3 teams MA2: 4 teams MB1: 8 teams MB2: 2 teams MC1: 4 teams MC2: 11 teams MD: 5 teams I'm currently planning on playing with you guys on Saturday if everyone is okay with that. Chris On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Bailey wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:48:19AM +0900, tommo at ucc.asn.au wrote: > > Hi chaps, > > > > Apparently the entire rec centre is booked all-day Sunday for some > > sort of event, so no training for us this week :( > > > > I'm probably going to head down to the outdoor court at Nedlands > > Primary after work today. If anyone would like to join me for some > > practice, they're more than welcome. > > > > Tom. > > > > PS. Hey Alwyn, any word on our game time yet? > > > > Fixtures are up at http://www.baptistbasketball.info/. Of course without > knowing which division we are in or which claremont team we are it's a bit > of guesswork. But if we are in Division C2 we are either on at 3:30 PM ( > claremont 1) or 6:00 pm ( claremont 2). > > Andrew. > > > > Quoting tommo at ucc.asn.au: > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I just realised I won't be able to attend the training session next > > > Sunday afternoon. > > > > > > It's generally a good time for me, though, so I shall be able to > > > attend subsequent sessions. The question is, should I still book the > > > gym as we discussed? You guys are perfectly capable of practicing what > > > we've covered without me :) > > > > > > Oh, and for Accy's benefit, we tried to figure out details for future > > > training sessions after you'd left, and ended up with fortnightly > > > Sundays, from 5:30-6:30pm, being the best option for everyone. Hope > > > that works for you too. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Tom. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Basketball mailing list > > > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Basketball mailing list > > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -- > "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, > it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," > - Wayne Norbitz > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/basketball/attachments/20090325/e4a5b39a/attachment.htm From tommo at ucc.asn.au Wed Mar 25 10:39:43 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:39:43 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : > Wow, numbers are way down on usual. Yeah, I noticed that too. Seems odd that they didn't split some of C2 out into D, just to even things up a bit. Perhaps grading will deal with that. > I'm currently planning on playing with you guys on Saturday if everyone is > okay with that. Most definitely :) Tom. From grubbcm at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 12:24:52 2009 From: grubbcm at gmail.com (Christopher Grubb) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:24:52 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: The main reason I ask if everyone is okay with me playing, is that you may not want me to play with you during grading if I'm not going to be around all season... On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, wrote: > Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : > > > Wow, numbers are way down on usual. > > Yeah, I noticed that too. Seems odd that they didn't split some of C2 > out into D, just to even things up a bit. Perhaps grading will deal > with that. > > > I'm currently planning on playing with you guys on Saturday if everyone > is > > okay with that. > > Most definitely :) > > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/basketball/attachments/20090325/5b6b2dd7/attachment.htm From dunc+bb at dunc.org Wed Mar 25 12:33:40 2009 From: dunc+bb at dunc.org (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:33:40 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: Tommo asked me if I wanted to play winter comp with Olly being out. Thought I'd let you know where I'm at. I miss the BB but I'm too busy at the moment with other weekly commitments to do it (2 x volleyball, Somerville, and daily yoga) :-P So I reckon I'll reevaluate at the end of April if I can fit it in and you still want me. Could also fit well with Chris going to Europe (lucky doer). cheers ,dunc On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:39 AM, wrote: > Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : > > > Wow, numbers are way down on usual. > > Yeah, I noticed that too. Seems odd that they didn't split some of C2 > out into D, just to even things up a bit. Perhaps grading will deal > with that. > > > I'm currently planning on playing with you guys on Saturday if everyone > is > > okay with that. > > Most definitely :) > > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/basketball/attachments/20090325/ee5950fb/attachment.htm From tommo at ucc.asn.au Wed Mar 25 12:46:02 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:46:02 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : > The main reason I ask if everyone is okay with me playing, is that you may > not want me to play with you during grading if I'm not going to be around > all season... That's a fair point. Personally I don't really mind too much, but I'm happy to go with whatever the rest of the team thinks is best. Tom. From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 25 16:21:37 2009 From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Lloyd) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:21:37 +0900 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: I've asked for us to be put in Men's D. I don't know a time yet, but i'll let you know as soon as i do. One small problem is i probably won't be able to play this sat as i'm going to be busy with getting ready for a gig. Cheers, Alwyn From chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Mar 25 16:24:59 2009 From: chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Chas Stan-Bishop) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:24:59 +0900 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, tommo at ucc.asn.au wrote: > Quoting "Christopher Grubb" : > >> The main reason I ask if everyone is okay with me playing, is that you may >> not want me to play with you during grading if I'm not going to be around >> all season... > > That's a fair point. Personally I don't really mind too much, but I'm > happy to go with whatever the rest of the team thinks is best. No real issues here. Our first few games will probably involve a lot of getting used to the new offensive movement, so the PG probably won't have as much impact as they might otherwise anyway, other than to limit the turnover rate. ;P Chas From tommo at ucc.asn.au Wed Mar 25 16:27:12 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:27:12 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090325162712.17611q8nzw64brnk@secure.ucc.asn.au> Quoting "Chas Stan-Bishop" : >>> The main reason I ask if everyone is okay with me playing, is that you may >>> not want me to play with you during grading if I'm not going to be around >>> all season... >> >> That's a fair point. Personally I don't really mind too much, but I'm >> happy to go with whatever the rest of the team thinks is best. > > No real issues here. Our first few games will probably involve a lot of > getting used to the new offensive movement, so the PG probably won't have > as much impact as they might otherwise anyway, other than to limit the > turnover rate. ;P And if Alwyn can't make it, I definitely think we want Chris. Otherwise we could end up with a bit of a shortage. Tom. From tommo at ucc.asn.au Fri Mar 27 16:21:34 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:21:34 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090325162712.17611q8nzw64brnk@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325162712.17611q8nzw64brnk@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090327162134.95651vnt8v2t0hog@secure.ucc.asn.au> Does anyone know what time we're playing yet? Also, did anyone in my area (so that'd be James I guess) want a lift? Tom. Quoting tommo at ucc.asn.au: > Quoting "Chas Stan-Bishop" : > >>>> The main reason I ask if everyone is okay with me playing, is that you may >>>> not want me to play with you during grading if I'm not going to be around >>>> all season... >>> >>> That's a fair point. Personally I don't really mind too much, but I'm >>> happy to go with whatever the rest of the team thinks is best. >> >> No real issues here. Our first few games will probably involve a lot of >> getting used to the new offensive movement, so the PG probably won't have >> as much impact as they might otherwise anyway, other than to limit the >> turnover rate. ;P > > And if Alwyn can't make it, I definitely think we want Chris. > Otherwise we could end up with a bit of a shortage. > > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 27 16:21:41 2009 From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Lloyd) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:21:41 +0900 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: Ok, Just recieved an email from Lawrence who is the claremont co-ordinator. He's put our team forward, but we won't be playing till next week. Also, he said mentioned that we _may_ not be playing under claremont, but he'll let us know. Cheers, Alwyn From tommo at ucc.asn.au Fri Mar 27 16:23:37 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:23:37 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090327162337.1694771olocup79c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Crap! I was really looking forward to getting back out there :( Anyone up for some training instead? Tom. Quoting "Alwyn Lloyd" : > > Ok, Just recieved an email from Lawrence who is the claremont > co-ordinator. > > He's put our team forward, but we won't be playing till next week. > > Also, he said mentioned that we _may_ not be playing under claremont, but > he'll let us know. > > Cheers, > Alwyn > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Mar 27 19:24:09 2009 From: chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Chas Stan-Bishop) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:24:09 +0900 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: <20090327162337.1694771olocup79c@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090327162337.1694771olocup79c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: Yeah, that's a bit worrying really. I'd really like to have some idea of what was going on behind the scenes. Oh well. :| As for training, maybe? I'm not yet sure what I'm doing tomorrow, or when (since it's my birthday, and it was my brother's on Thursday). So yeah, I might be there if it happens? :/ Chas On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, tommo at ucc.asn.au wrote: > Crap! I was really looking forward to getting back out there :( > > Anyone up for some training instead? > > Tom. > > Quoting "Alwyn Lloyd" : > >> >> Ok, Just recieved an email from Lawrence who is the claremont >> co-ordinator. >> >> He's put our team forward, but we won't be playing till next week. >> >> Also, he said mentioned that we _may_ not be playing under claremont, but >> he'll let us know. >> >> Cheers, >> Alwyn >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From tommo at ucc.asn.au Fri Mar 27 20:12:17 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:12:17 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090327162337.1694771olocup79c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090327201217.136851s2016o74w0@secure.ucc.asn.au> I'm going to be busy during most of the afternoon (family thingy which I can now attend thanks to bball being cancelled), but I might go down to the outdoor court for a practice run either late morning or late afternoon. I'll email the list if I end up going. Tom. Quoting "Chas Stan-Bishop" : > > Yeah, that's a bit worrying really. I'd really like to have some idea of > what was going on behind the scenes. Oh well. :| > > As for training, maybe? I'm not yet sure what I'm doing tomorrow, or when > (since it's my birthday, and it was my brother's on Thursday). So yeah, I > might be there if it happens? :/ > > Chas > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, tommo at ucc.asn.au wrote: > >> Crap! I was really looking forward to getting back out there :( >> >> Anyone up for some training instead? >> >> Tom. >> >> Quoting "Alwyn Lloyd" : >> >>> >>> Ok, Just recieved an email from Lawrence who is the claremont >>> co-ordinator. >>> >>> He's put our team forward, but we won't be playing till next week. >>> >>> Also, he said mentioned that we _may_ not be playing under claremont, but >>> he'll let us know. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alwyn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Basketball mailing list >>> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >>> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From tommo at ucc.asn.au Fri Mar 27 20:19:18 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:19:18 +0900 Subject: [UCCBball] Basketball training next Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <20090321184727.11214nsma6ufjo1s@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325084819.18203tlru6vivj9c@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325003927.GA23469@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20090325103943.176936vr58k19w00@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090325124602.13663daxfw3dglbs@secure.ucc.asn.au> <20090327162337.1694771olocup79c@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20090327201918.11841ko2z3wrejow@secure.ucc.asn.au> If we end up not being a Claremont team anymore, I wonder if we'd still be permitted to use our uniforms? Tom. Quoting "Chas Stan-Bishop" : > > Yeah, that's a bit worrying really. I'd really like to have some idea of > what was going on behind the scenes. Oh well. :| > > As for training, maybe? I'm not yet sure what I'm doing tomorrow, or when > (since it's my birthday, and it was my brother's on Thursday). So yeah, I > might be there if it happens? :/ > > Chas > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, tommo at ucc.asn.au wrote: > >> Crap! I was really looking forward to getting back out there :( >> >> Anyone up for some training instead? >> >> Tom. >> >> Quoting "Alwyn Lloyd" : >> >>> >>> Ok, Just recieved an email from Lawrence who is the claremont >>> co-ordinator. >>> >>> He's put our team forward, but we won't be playing till next week. >>> >>> Also, he said mentioned that we _may_ not be playing under claremont, but >>> he'll let us know. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alwyn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Basketball mailing list >>> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >>> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Basketball mailing list >> Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >> > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball > From tommo at ucc.asn.au Tue Mar 31 17:15:07 2009 From: tommo at ucc.asn.au (tommo at ucc.asn.au) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:15:07 +0800 Subject: [UCCBball] Saturday's game Message-ID: <20090331171507.306276f9tse3hkw0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Fixtures are up at the website, although I still can't see a team that's obviously us. There's no Claremont in MD, and MC2 still has 2 Claremont teams, same as last week. Alwyn, have you heard anything? Tom. From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Mar 31 17:20:06 2009 From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Lloyd) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:20:06 +0800 (WST) Subject: [UCCBball] Saturday's game In-Reply-To: <20090331171507.306276f9tse3hkw0@secure.ucc.asn.au> References: <20090331171507.306276f9tse3hkw0@secure.ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: Hi, Accy mentioned this to me earlier as well. Haven't heard anything :/ [zar] > Fixtures are up at the website, although I still can't see a team > that's obviously us. There's no Claremont in MD, and MC2 still has 2 > Claremont teams, same as last week. Alwyn, have you heard anything? > > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Basketball mailing list > Basketball at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/basketball >