[UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup

[tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au]

Don't mind you chiming in at all - I was actually wondering if you  
were on the list because I wanted to get your input.

The way you describe it here is pretty much what I had in mind.  
Although you took it a notch further and detailed the specifics of the  
swing option as well, which seems to be the main thing concerning Accy.

Tom.

Quoting "Grubb, Christopher" <Christopher.Grubb at au.fujitsu.com>:

> I hope you don't mind me chiming in.
>
> I actually don't think overloading one side is a problem as long as
> everyone understands why they are doing it. Having all 4 on one side
> against a standard zone should result in 3 defenders trying to guard 4
> players. So the goal is to get:
>
> A) An easy entry pass to low post (At which point the high post cuts
> back to the opposite baseline)
>   i) You have someone cutting through the key for the low post to pass
> to
>   ii) The cutter will likely draw the center, preventing a double-team
> on the post
>   iii) The cutter is moving to a good rebounding position
>
> B) An easy pass to the near elbow (Low post should cut along the
> baseline)
>   i) You have a cutter (again moving to a good rebounding position)
>   ii) Can shoot, or drive from the elbow.
>
> C) An open shot from the corner
>   i) Your team doesn't really get this option because nobody playing on
> the wings is confident enough to shoot the shot.
>   ii) If it was going to happen, high post should cut back to low post
> to establish good rebounding position.
>   iii) The opposite wing should also crash the boards
>   iv) PG at the top is safety
>
>
> At first glance it seems that you then lose the option to swing the
> ball, but you don't as long as you have a wing that is prepared to move.
>      ___
>       O 5      3
>                /
>         4     /
>              /
>   2 <------ 1
>
>
> When you want to swing the ball from this set-up the ball should move
> from 3 -> 1 -> 2 as shown above. 4 Cuts to opposite low post. Then 5
> cuts to opposite high post and 3 has to run the baseline so that they
> are open in the opposite corner. So you end up as below. 3 normally
> signals the switch by passing it back to 1 and then sprinting for the
> opposite corner.
>          ___
> 3       4 O
>
>         5
>
>      2        1
>
> Off the top of my head this would probably work best with either Oliver
> or Kieron at the 3 position, as both have the confidence to take the
> long shot from the corner.
>
>
> As Tommo says, you don't want to run this every play. Your post
> positions give few open lanes for either 1 or 2 to drive at. A shot from
> the 1 (when loaded on the right) or 2 (when loaded on the left) gives
> you horrible rebounding positions. There really aren't many nice options
> for the 1 or 2 unless they are getting a kick-out pass from the post.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
> [mailto:basketball-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Bailey
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 2:11 PM
> To: UCC Basketball Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup
>
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:59:03PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:
>> Of course you can disagree.
>>
>
> My biggest overall issue is that this lends itself to a 'quick' or
> possibly rushed offense. I like us a bit better when we swing it down
> both sides pretty quickley.
>
> Rest of my comments inline:
>
>> Quoting "Andrew Bailey" <acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>:
>>
>> > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:28:38PM +0900, tommo at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
> wrote:
>> >> Hi guys,
>> >>
>> >
>> > Am I allowed to disagree?
>> >
>> >> I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game,
> just
>> >> to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball
> movement
>> >> and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are
> tricky
>> >> to describe via email, but here's the gist of it...
>> >>
>> >> 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with
>> >> wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the
>> >> post position on either side of the keyway.
>> >>
>
> This is fine and sensible.
>
>> >> 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the
> point
>> >> passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have
> the
>> >> point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side).
>> >>
>> >> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down
>> >> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts
> up
>> >> to the high post.
>> >>a
>
> This is the bit I don't like as it ruins our spacing. we end up with
> four players on one side and an awful lot of congestion. In fact this a
> lot of what we do at the moment when our offense isn't working. I don't
> think we should aspire to shis structure. Especially as the week wing
> should really come accross to the top a bit for an outlet pass.
>
>> From my experience as a off side forward ( unless I am misunderstanding
> what you mean by high post ) there realy is no room for me to cut too
> and I am probably better off doing a V cut at best as aswing outlet or
> something.
>
>> >> 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing
> (5a)
>> >> or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these
>> >> options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then
> the
>> >> other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out
> option
>> >> to reset the offense.
>> >>
>> >> 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the
> option
>> >> to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason
>> >> we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we
> don't
>> >> tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a
> good
>> >> passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does
> go
>> >> into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should
>> >> both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra
> help
>> >> for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't
> cut
>> >> until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you.
>> >>
>> >> 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite
> a
>> >> few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either
>> >> stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the
>> >> point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end
> of a
>> >> drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there
> could
>> >> even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the
> keyway.
>> >> If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important
> for
>> >> the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for
> boards.
>> >>
>> >> There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this
>> >> setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come
> pretty
>> >> naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement
> -
>> >> guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side
> post
>> >> cuts to high post.
>> >>
>> >> Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try
> to
>> >> clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before
> the
>> >> game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it
> beforehand
>> >> then it'll be easier to set up on the day.
>> >>
>> >> I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but
> that
>> >> can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains
> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Tom.
>> >>
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