<div>The conversation moved on a bit after I sent that from the email address that requires moderation.</div>
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<div>I agree with Andrew that swinging the ball like this is undoubtedly slower than having a man already wide, but the reality is your current offense often fails to move the defense and thus create the offense you would like it to. Swinging the ball should give you one of the following options:</div>
<div>1) An open shot outside (this works if its Oliver or Kieron getting the ball swung to them on the wing)</div>
<div>2) An open drive to the basket (I rarely see this)</div>
<div>3) An easy pass inside</div>
<div>Most of the time the defense knows that all they actually need to cover is 3) so the defense just sits and waits for their guards to recover.</div>
<div>(Yes I am saying that your wings need to take and have the confidence to take more shots)</div>
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<div>What you are trying to achieve by overloading one side is a 4 on 3 situation that should always result in at least 1 easy pass (or an open shot), and hopefully a higher percentage of easy passes into your forwards.</div>
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<div>At the very least the overloading strategy is worth having as an option that you are all faimiliar enough with that you can run it occasionally when your stock offense isn't working so well.<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Grubb, Christopher <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Christopher.Grubb@au.fujitsu.com">Christopher.Grubb@au.fujitsu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I hope you don't mind me chiming in.<br><br>I actually don't think overloading one side is a problem as long as<br>
everyone understands why they are doing it. Having all 4 on one side<br>against a standard zone should result in 3 defenders trying to guard 4<br>players. So the goal is to get:<br><br>A) An easy entry pass to low post (At which point the high post cuts<br>
back to the opposite baseline)<br> i) You have someone cutting through the key for the low post to pass<br>to<br> ii) The cutter will likely draw the center, preventing a double-team<br>on the post<br> iii) The cutter is moving to a good rebounding position<br>
<br>B) An easy pass to the near elbow (Low post should cut along the<br>baseline)<br> i) You have a cutter (again moving to a good rebounding position)<br> ii) Can shoot, or drive from the elbow.<br><br>C) An open shot from the corner<br>
i) Your team doesn't really get this option because nobody playing on<br>the wings is confident enough to shoot the shot.<br> ii) If it was going to happen, high post should cut back to low post<br>to establish good rebounding position.<br>
iii) The opposite wing should also crash the boards<br> iv) PG at the top is safety<br><br><br>At first glance it seems that you then lose the option to swing the<br>ball, but you don't as long as you have a wing that is prepared to move.<br>
___<br> O 5 3<br> /<br> 4 /<br> /<br> 2 <------ 1<br><br><br>When you want to swing the ball from this set-up the ball should move<br>from 3 -> 1 -> 2 as shown above. 4 Cuts to opposite low post. Then 5<br>
cuts to opposite high post and 3 has to run the baseline so that they<br>are open in the opposite corner. So you end up as below. 3 normally<br>signals the switch by passing it back to 1 and then sprinting for the<br>opposite corner.<br>
___<br>3 4 O<br><br> 5<br><br> 2 1<br><br>Off the top of my head this would probably work best with either Oliver<br>or Kieron at the 3 position, as both have the confidence to take the<br>long shot from the corner.<br>
<br><br>As Tommo says, you don't want to run this every play. Your post<br>positions give few open lanes for either 1 or 2 to drive at. A shot from<br>the 1 (when loaded on the right) or 2 (when loaded on the left) gives<br>
you horrible rebounding positions. There really aren't many nice options<br>for the 1 or 2 unless they are getting a kick-out pass from the post.<br>
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<div class="h5"><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:basketball-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au">basketball-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:basketball-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au">basketball-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Bailey<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 2:11 PM<br>To: UCC Basketball Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: [UCCBball] This weekend's game - offensive setup<br><br>On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:59:03PM +0900, <a href="mailto:tommo@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au">tommo@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a> wrote:<br>
> Of course you can disagree.<br>><br><br>My biggest overall issue is that this lends itself to a 'quick' or<br>possibly rushed offense. I like us a bit better when we swing it down<br>both sides pretty quickley.<br>
<br>Rest of my comments inline:<br><br>> Quoting "Andrew Bailey" <<a href="mailto:acolyte@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au">acolyte@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a>>:<br>><br>> > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:28:38PM +0900, <a href="mailto:tommo@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au">tommo@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a><br>
wrote:<br>> >> Hi guys,<br>> >><br>> ><br>> > Am I allowed to disagree?<br>> ><br>> >> I wanted to test out a basic offensive setup for our last game,<br>just<br>> >> to see how it works. I think it'll help tighten up our ball<br>
movement<br>> >> and get us a few more good shooting options. These things are<br>tricky<br>> >> to describe via email, but here's the gist of it...<br>> >><br>> >> 1. We start out with the point guard at the top with the ball, with<br>
> >> wings out to either side, and both big men (eg me and Accy) in the<br>> >> post position on either side of the keyway.<br>> >><br><br>This is fine and sensible.<br><br>> >> 2. Now, usually when we start out like this, we begin with the<br>
point<br>> >> passing straight to the wing. What I'd like to see us do is have<br>the<br>> >> point dribble the ball towards the wing area (either side).<br>> >><br>> >> 3. When the point does this, the wing on the same side drifts down<br>
> >> towards the bassline, and the forward on the other-side post cuts<br>up<br>> >> to the high post.<br>> >>a<br><br>This is the bit I don't like as it ruins our spacing. we end up with<br>
four players on one side and an awful lot of congestion. In fact this a<br>lot of what we do at the moment when our offense isn't working. I don't<br>think we should aspire to shis structure. Especially as the week wing<br>
should really come accross to the top a bit for an outlet pass.<br><br>>>From my experience as a off side forward ( unless I am misunderstanding<br>what you mean by high post ) there realy is no room for me to cut too<br>
and I am probably better off doing a V cut at best as aswing outlet or<br>something.<br><br>> >> 4. From here, the point can pass either down to the bassline wing<br>(5a)<br>> >> or straight across into the high post (5b). If neither of these<br>
> >> options prove to be viable, and the point gets into trouble, then<br>the<br>> >> other side wing should cut up to the top to provide a bail-out<br>option<br>> >> to reset the offense.<br>> >><br>
> >> 5a. If the pass goes to the bassline wing, then they have the<br>option<br>> >> to either shoot, drive or pass in to the low post up. A big reason<br>> >> we've been getting fewer good postups this season is because we<br>
don't<br>> >> tend to move the ball far enough down towards the bassline for a<br>good<br>> >> passing angle. Hopefully this setup will fix that. If the pass does<br>go<br>> >> into the low post then the high post and the other-side wing should<br>
> >> both cut in towards the hoop, creating passing options and extra<br>help<br>> >> for boards should the shot go up. Timing is important here - don't<br>cut<br>> >> until the post has turned to face the hoop, so they can see you.<br>
> >><br>> >> 5b. If the pass goes to the high post, then there's actually quite<br>a<br>> >> few options - shoot, drive, pass out to the other-side wing (either<br>> >> stationary or on a cut to the basket), pass straight back to the<br>
> >> point, pass it down to the low post (a good play to do on the end<br>of a<br>> >> drive, as it'll draw the defense away from the low post), there<br>could<br>> >> even be a passing option for the bassline wing cutting to the<br>
keyway.<br>> >> If the high post decides to either shoot or drive, it's important<br>for<br>> >> the other-side wing and the high post himself to go in hard for<br>boards.<br>> >><br>> >> There's lots of little, unplanned things that can happen off this<br>
> >> setup, but the basic structure is there. Most of it will come<br>pretty<br>> >> naturally, the important stuff to remember is the initial movement<br>-<br>> >> guard dribbles to side, wing drifts down to bassline, other-side<br>
post<br>> >> cuts to high post.<br>> >><br>> >> Did that make sense to everyone? If it didn't, say so and I'll try<br>to<br>> >> clarify. I'm thinking we can have a couple of practice runs before<br>
the<br>> >> game, but if people have a reasonable understanding of it<br>beforehand<br>> >> then it'll be easier to set up on the day.<br>> >><br>> >> I've also got an idea for tightening up our zone in defense, but<br>
that<br>> >> can wait for another time. Don't want to overload everyone's brains<br>;)<br>> >><br>> >> Cheers,<br>> >> Tom.<br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>
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