[CDG5] ATI frozen mouse bug, cross-post from MacOS9Lives

Elliot Nunn elliotnunn at fastmail.com
Wed Oct 16 21:42:48 AWST 2019 

We can get you started. ;) I think you’d find a bit of deep hacking very rewarding. Shall we make the NV18 a you-and-me project?

> On 16 Oct 2019, at 7:47 pm, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Sadly, no, PPC asm is all Greek to me.
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Elliot Nunn <elliotnunn at fastmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Remind me, have you got much PowerPC asm experience? Happy to help if you want to have a go at this...
>> 
>>> On 16 Oct 2019, at 7:34 pm, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe a bit loud, but not too much so.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Elliot Nunn <elliotnunn at fastmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does yours run loud? Mine does, I wondered if I was neglecting to patch something.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Oct 2019, at 7:20 pm, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’d love to figure out the secrets of the nVidia Driver for OS 9, my iMac runs OS 9 very well, except for the unsupported NV18:-(
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 3:50 AM, Elliot Nunn <elliotnunn at fastmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I looked at the Mac OS X “NVDA,NVMac” ndrvs and the NVIDIA extensions in Mac OS 9.2.2. The only fragment that calls ExpMgrConfigRead* is the “NVIDIA Resource Manager” fragment in the data fork of the “NVIDIA Driver” extension. This fragment is big, close to a megabyte, and does not seem to access the first four bytes of config space.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Odd that acceleration doesn’t work when you supply a driver.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10 Oct 2019, at 6:29 pm, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On that note, do you think we could patch the Mac OS ROM to support the NV18 GPU this way?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a iMac G4 with the NV18, just a Geforce 4MX with 8x AGP support. It should work with OS 9’s nVidia drivers(NV17), but because the device ID is unknown to OS 9 it doesn’t.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2019, at 6:22 AM, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It’s interesting you were able to patch the device ID, normally OS 9 style drivers are not fooled by Device ID patching, such as:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> dev agp/@0
>>>>>>>> 00005960 encode-int “ device-id” property
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As most OS 9 style drivers don’t read the device ID from name space, they read it directly from the PCI Registers.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> OS X, however, seems to read all PCI devices from name space, but not the CPU PVR.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> nVidia FCode ROM's after the FX series can append the last half byte of the device ID in the NVStrap, but I’m not sure how OS 9 deals with that, as I’ve never been able to figure out how to hack nVidia driver support for OS 9.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2019, at 11:44 PM, Elliot Nunn <elliotnunn at fastmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have fixed the frozen mouse bug!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It was, as darthnVader hinted earlier, caused by the ATI extensions. So I took a
>>>>>>>>> deep dive into the ATI driver architecture. This is the typical "life cycle" of
>>>>>>>>> an ATI card in a NewWorld Mac:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 1.  If the card firmware lacks an ndrv (e.g. the Radeon 9200 in the mini), the
>>>>>>>>> MacOS uses its generic "COFB" ndrv to get basic video.
>>>>>>>>> 2.  Extensions are loaded from disk. The ATI ROM Xtender or iMic's hacked "ATI
>>>>>>>>> Via Driver" extension can replace the previously loaded ndrv. No graphical
>>>>>>>>> acceleration yet.
>>>>>>>>> 3.  The complex array of ATI extensions steps in, asks the loaded ndrv about the
>>>>>>>>> card using some private Status calls, and loads some acceleration code if the
>>>>>>>>> card is recognised. Accelerated 2D requires "ATI Resource Manager" and "ATI
>>>>>>>>> Graphics Accelerator" at minimum.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This was darthnVader's solution to get graphics acceleration working:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 1.  Insert a Mac OS X ndrv into iMic "ATI Via Driver" (better called "ATI
>>>>>>>>> RockHopper2 Driver" after the change).
>>>>>>>>> 2.  Replace all or most occurrences of the 5961 device ID in the other extensions
>>>>>>>>> with 5962. Both IDs refer to the Radeon 9200, but the extensions only knew about
>>>>>>>>> the 5961 ID. (Occurrences of 5960 were also replaced -- see below.)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DarthnVader effectively turned our minis into Mac OS 9 gaming rigs!
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, one of the binary patches intermittently broke hardware cursor
>>>>>>>>> support. It might be due to the way that the PowerPC compiler optimised
>>>>>>>>> select/case blocks. Sometimes I also experienced a black screen when the ATI
>>>>>>>>> extensions loaded, which I think was related.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is my solution:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 1.  Insert the same Mac OS X ndrv (ATY,RockHopper2 v1.0.1f63, from Mac OS X
>>>>>>>>> 10.3.6) into the Mac OS ROM as an ndrv parcel, to mimic a firmware driver.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2.  Patch that ndrv to replace 5962 with 5961 whenever it reads from PCI
>>>>>>>>> Configuration Space.
>>>>>>>>> - To achieve this, I got sidetracked and wrote a single-file PowerPC assembler
>>>>>>>>> script (ppcasm.py) and PEF dump/rebuild script (cfmtool.py):
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/elliotnunn/tbxi-patches/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 3.  Use the unmodified ATI extensions from January 2005.
>>>>>>>>> - The extensions that we host in "9200os9.sit", supposedly from the rare July
>>>>>>>>> 2005 release, do not work.
>>>>>>>>> - I think that they were binary-patched to enable support for the DVI-I Radeon
>>>>>>>>> 9200 card, ID 5960. Specifically, the accl 4 resource of the "ATI Graphics
>>>>>>>>> Accelerator" is an identical build to January 2005, including the build
>>>>>>>>> date, but has 2/2 occurrences of 5961 replaced with 5960. It would be good
>>>>>>>>> to find the originals.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So here is my first ROM release of the year. It was derived from the
>>>>>>>>> "OS9General" Mac OS ROM (v9.6.1) using my portable Mac mini patching system:
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/elliotnunn/tbxi-patches/blob/7a5d179/macmini.py
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My ATALoad patch has also been applied, to allow Mac OS 9 to boot from volumes
>>>>>>>>> that were formatted for Mac OS X, without first wiping the disk with "Mac OS 9
>>>>>>>>> Drivers". I think that this is especially useful on machines that were formerly
>>>>>>>>> Mac OS X-only.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I recommend that this ROM be included in a new release of the Mac mini ISO. It
>>>>>>>>> should be combined with the unmodified ATI extensions from January 2005.
>>>>>>>>> 
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