[CDG5] ATI frozen mouse bug, cross-post from MacOS9Lives

Elliot Nunn elliotnunn at fastmail.com
Fri Oct 18 17:07:00 AWST 2019 

Not painful at all! (Let’s take this off the list for now.)

For a start, have you tried anything clever with NDRVs on this iMac?

> On 17 Oct 2019, at 5:08 am, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I’d like to learn, but it maybe painful for you to teach me;-)
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Elliot Nunn <elliotnunn at fastmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We can get you started. ;) I think you’d find a bit of deep hacking very rewarding. Shall we make the NV18 a you-and-me project?
>> 
>>> On 16 Oct 2019, at 7:47 pm, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sadly, no, PPC asm is all Greek to me.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Elliot Nunn <elliotnunn at fastmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Remind me, have you got much PowerPC asm experience? Happy to help if you want to have a go at this...
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Oct 2019, at 7:34 pm, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe a bit loud, but not too much so.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Elliot Nunn <elliotnunn at fastmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does yours run loud? Mine does, I wondered if I was neglecting to patch something.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 16 Oct 2019, at 7:20 pm, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’d love to figure out the secrets of the nVidia Driver for OS 9, my iMac runs OS 9 very well, except for the unsupported NV18:-(
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 3:50 AM, Elliot Nunn <elliotnunn at fastmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I looked at the Mac OS X “NVDA,NVMac” ndrvs and the NVIDIA extensions in Mac OS 9.2.2. The only fragment that calls ExpMgrConfigRead* is the “NVIDIA Resource Manager” fragment in the data fork of the “NVIDIA Driver” extension. This fragment is big, close to a megabyte, and does not seem to access the first four bytes of config space.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Odd that acceleration doesn’t work when you supply a driver.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 10 Oct 2019, at 6:29 pm, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On that note, do you think we could patch the Mac OS ROM to support the NV18 GPU this way?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have a iMac G4 with the NV18, just a Geforce 4MX with 8x AGP support. It should work with OS 9’s nVidia drivers(NV17), but because the device ID is unknown to OS 9 it doesn’t.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2019, at 6:22 AM, Jd Lyons <lyons_dj at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It’s interesting you were able to patch the device ID, normally OS 9 style drivers are not fooled by Device ID patching, such as:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> dev agp/@0
>>>>>>>>>> 00005960 encode-int “ device-id” property
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> As most OS 9 style drivers don’t read the device ID from name space, they read it directly from the PCI Registers.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> OS X, however, seems to read all PCI devices from name space, but not the CPU PVR.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> nVidia FCode ROM's after the FX series can append the last half byte of the device ID in the NVStrap, but I’m not sure how OS 9 deals with that, as I’ve never been able to figure out how to hack nVidia driver support for OS 9.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2019, at 11:44 PM, Elliot Nunn <elliotnunn at fastmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have fixed the frozen mouse bug!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> It was, as darthnVader hinted earlier, caused by the ATI extensions. So I took a
>>>>>>>>>>> deep dive into the ATI driver architecture. This is the typical "life cycle" of
>>>>>>>>>>> an ATI card in a NewWorld Mac:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  If the card firmware lacks an ndrv (e.g. the Radeon 9200 in the mini), the
>>>>>>>>>>> MacOS uses its generic "COFB" ndrv to get basic video.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Extensions are loaded from disk. The ATI ROM Xtender or iMic's hacked "ATI
>>>>>>>>>>> Via Driver" extension can replace the previously loaded ndrv. No graphical
>>>>>>>>>>> acceleration yet.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  The complex array of ATI extensions steps in, asks the loaded ndrv about the
>>>>>>>>>>> card using some private Status calls, and loads some acceleration code if the
>>>>>>>>>>> card is recognised. Accelerated 2D requires "ATI Resource Manager" and "ATI
>>>>>>>>>>> Graphics Accelerator" at minimum.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This was darthnVader's solution to get graphics acceleration working:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  Insert a Mac OS X ndrv into iMic "ATI Via Driver" (better called "ATI
>>>>>>>>>>> RockHopper2 Driver" after the change).
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Replace all or most occurrences of the 5961 device ID in the other extensions
>>>>>>>>>>> with 5962. Both IDs refer to the Radeon 9200, but the extensions only knew about
>>>>>>>>>>> the 5961 ID. (Occurrences of 5960 were also replaced -- see below.)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> DarthnVader effectively turned our minis into Mac OS 9 gaming rigs!
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, one of the binary patches intermittently broke hardware cursor
>>>>>>>>>>> support. It might be due to the way that the PowerPC compiler optimised
>>>>>>>>>>> select/case blocks. Sometimes I also experienced a black screen when the ATI
>>>>>>>>>>> extensions loaded, which I think was related.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is my solution:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  Insert the same Mac OS X ndrv (ATY,RockHopper2 v1.0.1f63, from Mac OS X
>>>>>>>>>>> 10.3.6) into the Mac OS ROM as an ndrv parcel, to mimic a firmware driver.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Patch that ndrv to replace 5962 with 5961 whenever it reads from PCI
>>>>>>>>>>> Configuration Space.
>>>>>>>>>>> - To achieve this, I got sidetracked and wrote a single-file PowerPC assembler
>>>>>>>>>>> script (ppcasm.py) and PEF dump/rebuild script (cfmtool.py):
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/elliotnunn/tbxi-patches/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Use the unmodified ATI extensions from January 2005.
>>>>>>>>>>> - The extensions that we host in "9200os9.sit", supposedly from the rare July
>>>>>>>>>>> 2005 release, do not work.
>>>>>>>>>>> - I think that they were binary-patched to enable support for the DVI-I Radeon
>>>>>>>>>>> 9200 card, ID 5960. Specifically, the accl 4 resource of the "ATI Graphics
>>>>>>>>>>> Accelerator" is an identical build to January 2005, including the build
>>>>>>>>>>> date, but has 2/2 occurrences of 5961 replaced with 5960. It would be good
>>>>>>>>>>> to find the originals.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> So here is my first ROM release of the year. It was derived from the
>>>>>>>>>>> "OS9General" Mac OS ROM (v9.6.1) using my portable Mac mini patching system:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/elliotnunn/tbxi-patches/blob/7a5d179/macmini.py
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> My ATALoad patch has also been applied, to allow Mac OS 9 to boot from volumes
>>>>>>>>>>> that were formatted for Mac OS X, without first wiping the disk with "Mac OS 9
>>>>>>>>>>> Drivers". I think that this is especially useful on machines that were formerly
>>>>>>>>>>> Mac OS X-only.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I recommend that this ROM be included in a new release of the Mac mini ISO. It
>>>>>>>>>>> should be combined with the unmodified ATI extensions from January 2005.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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