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Subject: [committee] [PABX] Detailed Report - Spreadsheet
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From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu May  1 13:00:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Thu,  1 May 2008 13:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 24 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080501050002.088BC6C096@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

trs80 : mice and keyboards
nightrdr : next lan

From patternsofchaos at gmail.com  Thu May  1 13:45:03 2008
From: patternsofchaos at gmail.com (Taleesha Conlan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:45:03 +0800
Subject: [committee] table booking
Message-ID: <5d4c8a370804302245h704ae92dyf5447a81bfd15b9f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys, I got a call from Ben Jones, he wants to book a table for Friday -
as far as I know they will pay on the night. So whoever tells Gary the
number of tables we need on Friday morning, please add Ben's table in.

Teesh
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From drayke at gmail.com  Thu May  1 15:10:29 2008
From: drayke at gmail.com (Ewan MacLeod)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:10:29 +0800
Subject: [committee] [unisfa-committee] Quiz night tickets
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0804300034p7e66e3dk88cb9f2b1fa317cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ae2edda0804280742q25c19392sa10c4e46de40f51d@mail.gmail.com>
	<5d4c8a370804280818w3e55fd01x7f992e7abcbf74ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0804282216y4109a412la8a241314e3003c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0804282228j158159f0wc4fbc035ee457927@mail.gmail.com>
	<5d4c8a370804290230h1e8d5fb0tb5d7fa2e04a1baad@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0804291734390.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<5d4c8a370804290301u52de8c34we8b1df2c50c3eea6@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0804290853v4e1c0d8by260b8b1634ca4d6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0804300034p7e66e3dk88cb9f2b1fa317cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2058c7110805010010l2ae7d798q171e7d72b31064bc@mail.gmail.com>

And we've sold all of our 18 tickets, we printed a shiteload more
(numbered up to 110) which are in UniSFA

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Scott Young <splintax at ucc.asn.au> wrote:
> Ewan and I went to UniPrint today and got the tickets printed off.
>  There are orange ones, green ones and blue ones. UniSFA (Nick C) has
>  all 18 blue ones at present, and UCC (me) has all the green ones. All
>  the orange ones except two (which I have) are now with CSSC.
>
>  Could you please ensure that these tickets are signed by a committee
>  member of the relevant club at the point of sale -- just sign them on
>  the back, add the committee member's name or TLA, and if you're
>  involved in both UniSFA and UCC you might want to add the name of
>  whichever club you're selling the tickets on behalf of for accounting
>  purposes.
>
>  The 16 tickets given to CSSC were sold by me on behalf of UCC today.
>
>
>


From blkgrphn at gmail.com  Thu May  1 16:35:11 2008
From: blkgrphn at gmail.com (Emma Grogan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:35:11 +0800
Subject: [committee] [unisfa-committee]  Quiz night tickets
In-Reply-To: <2058c7110805010010l2ae7d798q171e7d72b31064bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ae2edda0804280742q25c19392sa10c4e46de40f51d@mail.gmail.com>
	<5d4c8a370804280818w3e55fd01x7f992e7abcbf74ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0804282216y4109a412la8a241314e3003c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0804282228j158159f0wc4fbc035ee457927@mail.gmail.com>
	<5d4c8a370804290230h1e8d5fb0tb5d7fa2e04a1baad@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0804291734390.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<5d4c8a370804290301u52de8c34we8b1df2c50c3eea6@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0804290853v4e1c0d8by260b8b1634ca4d6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0804300034p7e66e3dk88cb9f2b1fa317cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<2058c7110805010010l2ae7d798q171e7d72b31064bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <787f015b0805010135v3128754n12c9c7ecd7851602@mail.gmail.com>

I sold two more tickets to Brad before finding out that we had tickets. And
I forgot to sign Zoe's two tickets. Sorry
Emma

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Ewan MacLeod <drayke at gmail.com> wrote:

> And we've sold all of our 18 tickets, we printed a shiteload more
> (numbered up to 110) which are in UniSFA
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Scott Young <splintax at ucc.asn.au> wrote:
> > Ewan and I went to UniPrint today and got the tickets printed off.
> >  There are orange ones, green ones and blue ones. UniSFA (Nick C) has
> >  all 18 blue ones at present, and UCC (me) has all the green ones. All
> >  the orange ones except two (which I have) are now with CSSC.
> >
> >  Could you please ensure that these tickets are signed by a committee
> >  member of the relevant club at the point of sale -- just sign them on
> >  the back, add the committee member's name or TLA, and if you're
> >  involved in both UniSFA and UCC you might want to add the name of
> >  whichever club you're selling the tickets on behalf of for accounting
> >  purposes.
> >
> >  The 16 tickets given to CSSC were sold by me on behalf of UCC today.
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> UniSFA-Committee mailing list
> UniSFA-Committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
> http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/unisfa-committee
>
>
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From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May  2 01:00:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri,  2 May 2008 01:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 12 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080501170002.667836C096@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

trs80 : mice and keyboards
nightrdr : next lan
nightrdr : quiz night finalisation

From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May  2 11:45:56 2008
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:45:56 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] ucc.asn.au Renewal Notification - 60 days (fwd)
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805021145240.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

FYI.

No password is required to renew the domain.

Cheers,

David Adam
UCC Wheel Member
zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:56:01 +1000
From: Enetica Domains Team <support at enetica.com.au>
To: wheel at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
Subject: ucc.asn.au Renewal Notification - 60 days


Greetings,

You are receiving this email because one or more domains you registered through Enetica is due for renewal within the next 60 days.  If you do not renew this domain before its expiry date, the domain(s) will be released to the public and can be registered by someone else.

To renew a domain, simply visit:

    http://www.enetica.com.au/

The following domains will expire in 60 days or less.


domain: ucc.asn.au, expiry date: 2008-07-01



From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May  2 12:15:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri,  2 May 2008 12:15:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 45 minute warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080502041501.7C5276C098@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

trs80 : mice and keyboards
nightrdr : next lan
nightrdr : quiz night finalisation

From scott at sjy.id.au  Fri May  2 12:31:12 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:31:12 +0800
Subject: [committee] ucc.asn.au Renewal Notification - 60 days (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805021145240.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805021145240.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805012131i47e0c890t225fd3b9be8794d0@mail.gmail.com>

Luke, are you able to deal with this?

Looks like it would be easiest/quickest to pay by credit card, and I
don't have one.

Otherwise, I can write a cheque for them on Monday and mail it in.

Scott

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:45 AM, David Adam <zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> FYI.
>
>  No password is required to renew the domain.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  David Adam
>  UCC Wheel Member
>  zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
>
>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>  Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:56:01 +1000
>  From: Enetica Domains Team <support at enetica.com.au>
>  To: wheel at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
>  Subject: ucc.asn.au Renewal Notification - 60 days
>
>
>  Greetings,
>
>  You are receiving this email because one or more domains you registered through Enetica is due for renewal within the next 60 days.  If you do not renew this domain before its expiry date, the domain(s) will be released to the public and can be registered by someone else.
>
>  To renew a domain, simply visit:
>
>     http://www.enetica.com.au/
>
>  The following domains will expire in 60 days or less.
>
>
>  domain: ucc.asn.au, expiry date: 2008-07-01
>
>
>
>


From frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sat May  3 01:08:26 2008
From: frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James French)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 01:08:26 +0800
Subject: [committee] [PABX] Detailed Report - Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <20080501015547.7360714076@charon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>
References: <20080501015547.7360714076@charon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <560b010805021008j41814494j16829fef82ff6dc3@mail.gmail.com>

$4 taken out of my coke account for calls made by me

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:55 AM,  <pabx-reports at ucs.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>
>  Report Name: Detailed Spreadsheet - External Only
>  Parameters : CALL.CALLTYPE='ES'
>  Extra      :
>  Parameters
>  Start      : 2008-04-01
>  End        : 2008-05-01
>  Type       : Client
>  Number     : 137
>  Email      : committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
>
>  Attached is a spreadsheet in SYLK format, most spreadsheets should be
>  able to open this.
>



-- 
James French
frenchie at frenchie.id.au


From splintax at ucc.asn.au  Mon May  5 15:46:42 2008
From: splintax at ucc.asn.au (Scott Young)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:46:42 +0800
Subject: [committee] ucc.asn.au Renewal Notification - 60 days (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805012131i47e0c890t225fd3b9be8794d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805021145240.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805012131i47e0c890t225fd3b9be8794d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805050046g65079b26g7fffa6fb24b1414b@mail.gmail.com>

Luke says that he's paid for the renewal of the domain name.

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Scott Young <scott at sjy.id.au> wrote:
> Luke, are you able to deal with this?
>
> Looks like it would be easiest/quickest to pay by credit card, and I
> don't have one.
>
> Otherwise, I can write a cheque for them on Monday and mail it in.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:45 AM, David Adam <zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> > FYI.
> >
> >  No password is required to renew the domain.
> >
> >  Cheers,
> >
> >  David Adam
> >  UCC Wheel Member
> >  zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
> >
> >  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >  Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:56:01 +1000
> >  From: Enetica Domains Team <support at enetica.com.au>
> >  To: wheel at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
> >  Subject: ucc.asn.au Renewal Notification - 60 days
> >
> >
> >  Greetings,
> >
> >  You are receiving this email because one or more domains you registered through Enetica is due for renewal within the next 60 days.  If you do not renew this domain before its expiry date, the domain(s) will be released to the public and can be registered by someone else.
> >
> >  To renew a domain, simply visit:
> >
> >     http://www.enetica.com.au/
> >
> >  The following domains will expire in 60 days or less.
> >
> >
> >  domain: ucc.asn.au, expiry date: 2008-07-01
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


From drayke at gmail.com  Mon May  5 15:47:12 2008
From: drayke at gmail.com (Ewan MacLeod)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:47:12 +0800
Subject: [committee] Unsold quiz night tickets
Message-ID: <2058c7110805050047g3889c8b3r5e62235f2da60896@mail.gmail.com>

Hey both committees,

Grats on Quiz night, it was good :)

If there are any unsold quiz night tickets, please tell me now. I've
done the figures and we should each earn about $750 from it, minus the
cost of the Tav. I've got a bunch of money in my bag with me now, but
before I give the extra profits to UCC and bank the UniSFA stuff, I
need to know if there were any unsold tickets. I've just done it based
on the number of tickets each of us had printed up (UniSFA 72, UCC 36)
and assumed we got $10 for ALL of those tickets.

Discrepancies should be told now or forever hold your peace.
Raffle and Coin-bottle moneys have been included in the figure to be split.

-E


From scott at sjy.id.au  Mon May  5 16:33:42 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:33:42 +0800
Subject: [committee] Unsold quiz night tickets
In-Reply-To: <2058c7110805050047g3889c8b3r5e62235f2da60896@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2058c7110805050047g3889c8b3r5e62235f2da60896@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805050133n48319f63r239b3c100062eaa7@mail.gmail.com>

I gave the last of UCC's tickets to Stuart on Friday morning (or maybe
it was Thursday evening). I don't think he sold any, and I'm not sure
if he checks this list... I'll ask him when I see him next.

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Ewan MacLeod <drayke at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey both committees,
>
>  Grats on Quiz night, it was good :)
>
>  If there are any unsold quiz night tickets, please tell me now. I've
>  done the figures and we should each earn about $750 from it, minus the
>  cost of the Tav. I've got a bunch of money in my bag with me now, but
>  before I give the extra profits to UCC and bank the UniSFA stuff, I
>  need to know if there were any unsold tickets. I've just done it based
>  on the number of tickets each of us had printed up (UniSFA 72, UCC 36)
>  and assumed we got $10 for ALL of those tickets.
>
>  Discrepancies should be told now or forever hold your peace.
>  Raffle and Coin-bottle moneys have been included in the figure to be split.
>
>  -E
>
>
>


From maset at ucc.asn.au  Mon May  5 19:21:01 2008
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:21:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Unsold quiz night tickets
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805050133n48319f63r239b3c100062eaa7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2058c7110805050047g3889c8b3r5e62235f2da60896@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0805050133n48319f63r239b3c100062eaa7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805051920170.20577@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

I know that Matt, Susie and I bought ours out of coke credit and didn't 
receive any paper tickets. There were probably others, I hope they are 
counted.

Cheers,
Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?

From scott at sjy.id.au  Tue May  6 12:09:49 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:09:49 +0800
Subject: [committee] Unsold quiz night tickets
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805051920170.20577@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <2058c7110805050047g3889c8b3r5e62235f2da60896@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0805050133n48319f63r239b3c100062eaa7@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805051920170.20577@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805052109y516c754dl2424863d90510cbc@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I should have mentioned this earlier. There were seven people
who didn't have paper tickets, but paid anyway (using dispense credit
or cash). Those people where myself, Luke Williams, Anil, Susie and
Matt, Sam C and Kat. Nick ([NTU]) also paid using dispense credit, but
I left him a paper ticket in his pigeonhole that I assume he used.

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>
<maset at ucc.asn.au> wrote:
> I know that Matt, Susie and I bought ours out of coke credit and didn't
> receive any paper tickets. There were probably others, I hope they are
> counted.
>
>  Cheers,
>  Maset the Grandiose.
>  -------------------------------------------------
>  Without suffering,
>  how can one appreciate happiness?
>  And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
>  without the light of hope?
>
>


From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu May  8 13:00:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Thu,  8 May 2008 13:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 24 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080508050002.08F0B6C099@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:


From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May  9 01:00:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri,  9 May 2008 01:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 12 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080508170001.B85B96C09A@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:


From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May  9 12:15:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri,  9 May 2008 12:15:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 45 minute warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080509041501.902B26C098@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

maset : Old guard and how to stop them putting items on the agenda

From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sat May 10 12:19:13 2008
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:19:13 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] New Wheel members
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805101216030.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The UCC's Wheel group met last night (9 May 2008), and Conrad 
Pogson (prothoss@) and Scott Young (splintax@) were nominated and accepted 
as new Wheel members under the group admission guidelines.

Thanks,

David Adam
UCC Wheel Group Member
zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue May 13 10:49:45 2008
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:49:45 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Machine Room Lock
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131032010.15943@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
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On Tue, 13 May 2008, Rowan France wrote:
> Wheel,
> As discussed at the committee meeting, building services came in today to
> discuss replacing the padlock on the machine room with a university lock.
> Security will be coming by tomorrow to replace it. The cost to have all the
> keys replaced will be about $100. Wheel members will be able to come in at any
> time to pick up their new key.

Wait, hang on. As I recall it was discussed at both the Wheel and 
committee meetings and agreed that it was a dumb idea and we shouldn't do 
it.

David Adam
UCC Wheel Member
zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

From its.2.complicated at gmail.com  Tue May 13 11:14:20 2008
From: its.2.complicated at gmail.com (Alix Chinnery)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:14:20 +0800
Subject: [committee] Machine Room Lock
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131046160.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131032010.15943@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131046160.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4829078C.4040205@gmail.com>

David Adam wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008, Rowan France wrote:
>   
>> Wheel,
>> As discussed at the committee meeting, building services came in today to
>> discuss replacing the padlock on the machine room with a university lock.
>> Security will be coming by tomorrow to replace it. The cost to have all the
>> keys replaced will be about $100. Wheel members will be able to come in at any
>> time to pick up their new key.
>>     
>
> Wait, hang on. As I recall it was discussed at both the Wheel and 
> committee meetings and agreed that it was a dumb idea and we shouldn't do 
> it.
>
> David Adam
> UCC Wheel Member
> zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
>
>
>   
I am rather puzzled by both your emails. Neither was anything confirmed 
nor rejected at any of our committee meetings this year.
In the committee meeting we agreed that it was worth looking into, and 
Scott was going to contact MTL and building services to investigate the 
idea. Nothing was voted on or agreed at the time. I'm not sure about the 
Wheel groups meeting, but as far as I know nothing should have been done 
yet.

Minutes:
"-Machine Room Door
    MTL suggested contact building services
    Get a building services lock, provide security access in emergency
    ~$100??

-SJY to contact MTL regarding locks
"



-- 
Alix Chinnery
10515109
secretary '08
vixen at ucc
secretary at ucc




From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue May 13 11:51:23 2008
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:51:23 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Machine Room Lock
In-Reply-To: <4829078C.4040205@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131032010.15943@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131046160.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<4829078C.4040205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131148320.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Tue, 13 May 2008, Alix Chinnery wrote:
> David Adam wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 May 2008, Rowan France wrote:
> >   
> > > Wheel,
> > > As discussed at the committee meeting, building services came in today to
> > > discuss replacing the padlock on the machine room with a university lock.
> > > Security will be coming by tomorrow to replace it. The cost to have all
> > > the
> > > keys replaced will be about $100. Wheel members will be able to come in at
> > > any
> > > time to pick up their new key.
> > >     
> > 
> > Wait, hang on. As I recall it was discussed at both the Wheel and committee
> > meetings and agreed that it was a dumb idea and we shouldn't do it.
> >   
> I am rather puzzled by both your emails. Neither was anything confirmed nor
> rejected at any of our committee meetings this year.
> In the committee meeting we agreed that it was worth looking into, and Scott
> was going to contact MTL and building services to investigate the idea.
> Nothing was voted on or agreed at the time. I'm not sure about the Wheel
> groups meeting, but as far as I know nothing should have been done yet.

I'm sure you can understand my alarm. You're right - I wasn't at the 
committee meeting, and did misread the minutes. The Wheel meeting (for 
which minutes are, obviously, not widely available) rejected the idea, 
however.

Just hoping Rowan has overstepped the mark in declaring a go-ahead in 
changing the lock when there's been no concrete agreement and very little 
public discussion of the various benefits (which I personally believe are 
scant).

David Adam
UCC Wheel Member
zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue May 13 12:19:21 2008
From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:19:21 +0800
Subject: [committee] internet access for astronomy conference
Message-ID: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>


UCC is still one of the possibilities for supporting and providing 
internet access during the Astronomy Society of Australia conference, 
July 6-10 this year. Can anyone tell me in the next few hours:

-how big UCC's non-PARNET link is - as I understand it, we can't use 
PARNET without giving each attendee a unique username/password. Can it 
support a couple of hundred users?

-Is UCC willing to commit to providing people (and possibly equipment) 
to set up a few wireless access points and a switch on a desk for 
non-wireless access? The lecture theatre especially will need to handle 
20-50 simultaneous wireless users...

Andrew


From reaps at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue May 13 12:02:34 2008
From: reaps at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Craig Williams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:02:34 +0800
Subject: [committee] Machine Room Lock
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131148320.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <C44F33DA.34E6%reaps@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Excuse me, our exclusive and invite-only club makes the decisions for the
club.


On 13/05/08 11:51 AM, "David Adam" <zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 May 2008, Alix Chinnery wrote:
>> David Adam wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008, Rowan France wrote:
>>>   
>>>> Wheel,
>>>> As discussed at the committee meeting, building services came in today to
>>>> discuss replacing the padlock on the machine room with a university lock.
>>>> Security will be coming by tomorrow to replace it. The cost to have all
>>>> the
>>>> keys replaced will be about $100. Wheel members will be able to come in at
>>>> any
>>>> time to pick up their new key.
>>>>     
>>> 
>>> Wait, hang on. As I recall it was discussed at both the Wheel and committee
>>> meetings and agreed that it was a dumb idea and we shouldn't do it.
>>>   
>> I am rather puzzled by both your emails. Neither was anything confirmed nor
>> rejected at any of our committee meetings this year.
>> In the committee meeting we agreed that it was worth looking into, and Scott
>> was going to contact MTL and building services to investigate the idea.
>> Nothing was voted on or agreed at the time. I'm not sure about the Wheel
>> groups meeting, but as far as I know nothing should have been done yet.
> 
> I'm sure you can understand my alarm. You're right - I wasn't at the
> committee meeting, and did misread the minutes. The Wheel meeting (for
> which minutes are, obviously, not widely available) rejected the idea,
> however.
> 
> Just hoping Rowan has overstepped the mark in declaring a go-ahead in
> changing the lock when there's been no concrete agreement and very little
> public discussion of the various benefits (which I personally believe are
> scant).
> 
> David Adam
> UCC Wheel Member
> zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au




From splintax at ucc.asn.au  Tue May 13 12:19:18 2008
From: splintax at ucc.asn.au (Scott Young)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:19:18 +0800
Subject: [committee] Machine Room Lock
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131148320.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131032010.15943@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131046160.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<4829078C.4040205@gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131148320.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805122119t6eddef96y1afd04ee4548ba00@mail.gmail.com>

Luke told me that he went to Building Services and was told that they
didn't want to replace the lock?

That's why I never bothered to follow up with Mark -- because I
thought it wasn't even feasible, let alone something that we wanted to
do.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:51 AM, David Adam <zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008, Alix Chinnery wrote:
>  > David Adam wrote:
>  > > On Tue, 13 May 2008, Rowan France wrote:
>  > >
>  > > > Wheel,
>  > > > As discussed at the committee meeting, building services came in today to
>  > > > discuss replacing the padlock on the machine room with a university lock.
>  > > > Security will be coming by tomorrow to replace it. The cost to have all
>  > > > the
>  > > > keys replaced will be about $100. Wheel members will be able to come in at
>  > > > any
>  > > > time to pick up their new key.
>  > > >
>  > >
>  > > Wait, hang on. As I recall it was discussed at both the Wheel and committee
>  > > meetings and agreed that it was a dumb idea and we shouldn't do it.
>  > >
>
> > I am rather puzzled by both your emails. Neither was anything confirmed nor
>  > rejected at any of our committee meetings this year.
>  > In the committee meeting we agreed that it was worth looking into, and Scott
>  > was going to contact MTL and building services to investigate the idea.
>  > Nothing was voted on or agreed at the time. I'm not sure about the Wheel
>  > groups meeting, but as far as I know nothing should have been done yet.
>
>  I'm sure you can understand my alarm. You're right - I wasn't at the
>  committee meeting, and did misread the minutes. The Wheel meeting (for
>  which minutes are, obviously, not widely available) rejected the idea,
>  however.
>
>  Just hoping Rowan has overstepped the mark in declaring a go-ahead in
>  changing the lock when there's been no concrete agreement and very little
>  public discussion of the various benefits (which I personally believe are
>  scant).
>
>
>
>  David Adam
>  UCC Wheel Member
>  zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
>
>


From splintax at ucc.asn.au  Tue May 13 12:48:34 2008
From: splintax at ucc.asn.au (Scott Young)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:48:34 +0800
Subject: [committee] Machine Room Lock
In-Reply-To: <C44F33DA.34E6%reaps@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131148320.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<C44F33DA.34E6%reaps@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805122148s67e0f8bbjfaaf9bb81d662189@mail.gmail.com>

Neither wheel /nor/ committee approved this, though.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Craig Williams
<reaps at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> Excuse me, our exclusive and invite-only club makes the decisions for the
>  club.
>
>
>
>
>  On 13/05/08 11:51 AM, "David Adam" <zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>
>  > On Tue, 13 May 2008, Alix Chinnery wrote:
>  >> David Adam wrote:
>  >>> On Tue, 13 May 2008, Rowan France wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> Wheel,
>  >>>> As discussed at the committee meeting, building services came in today to
>  >>>> discuss replacing the padlock on the machine room with a university lock.
>  >>>> Security will be coming by tomorrow to replace it. The cost to have all
>  >>>> the
>  >>>> keys replaced will be about $100. Wheel members will be able to come in at
>  >>>> any
>  >>>> time to pick up their new key.
>  >>>>
>  >>>
>  >>> Wait, hang on. As I recall it was discussed at both the Wheel and committee
>  >>> meetings and agreed that it was a dumb idea and we shouldn't do it.
>  >>>
>  >> I am rather puzzled by both your emails. Neither was anything confirmed nor
>  >> rejected at any of our committee meetings this year.
>  >> In the committee meeting we agreed that it was worth looking into, and Scott
>  >> was going to contact MTL and building services to investigate the idea.
>  >> Nothing was voted on or agreed at the time. I'm not sure about the Wheel
>  >> groups meeting, but as far as I know nothing should have been done yet.
>  >
>  > I'm sure you can understand my alarm. You're right - I wasn't at the
>  > committee meeting, and did misread the minutes. The Wheel meeting (for
>  > which minutes are, obviously, not widely available) rejected the idea,
>  > however.
>  >
>  > Just hoping Rowan has overstepped the mark in declaring a go-ahead in
>  > changing the lock when there's been no concrete agreement and very little
>  > public discussion of the various benefits (which I personally believe are
>  > scant).
>  >
>  > David Adam
>  > UCC Wheel Member
>  > zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
>
>
>
>
>


From scott at sjy.id.au  Tue May 13 12:51:56 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:51:56 +0800
Subject: [committee] [wheel] internet access for astronomy conference
In-Reply-To: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805122151k542e9695w148e157800c88e93@mail.gmail.com>

Which lecture theatre? It's possible to connect to UCC's VPN over the
SNAP network run by the university, so if SNAP infrastructure is there
already, then we wouldn't need to set up any wireless hardware.

UCC's Bright link (the non-AARNet one) is burstable to something like
3Mbps, IIRC, but considering that some club members think it's too
slow for general use in the clubroom, I don't know how suitable it
would be for a couple of hundred users.

Scott

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Andrew Williams
<andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>
>  UCC is still one of the possibilities for supporting and providing internet
> access during the Astronomy Society of Australia conference, July 6-10 this
> year. Can anyone tell me in the next few hours:
>
>  -how big UCC's non-PARNET link is - as I understand it, we can't use PARNET
> without giving each attendee a unique username/password. Can it support a
> couple of hundred users?
>
>  -Is UCC willing to commit to providing people (and possibly equipment) to
> set up a few wireless access points and a switch on a desk for non-wireless
> access? The lecture theatre especially will need to handle 20-50
> simultaneous wireless users...
>
>  Andrew
>
>
>


From cameron at ucc.asn.au  Tue May 13 12:54:44 2008
From: cameron at ucc.asn.au (Cameron Patrick)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:54:44 +0800
Subject: [committee] [wheel] internet access for astronomy conference
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805122151k542e9695w148e157800c88e93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805122151k542e9695w148e157800c88e93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080513045443.GC22600@mersenne.largestprime.net>

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:51:56PM +0800, Scott Young wrote:

> UCC's Bright link (the non-AARNet one) is burstable to something like
> 3Mbps, IIRC, but considering that some club members think it's too
> slow for general use in the clubroom, I don't know how suitable it
> would be for a couple of hundred users.

It's only 128kbit (or 64kbit?) of guaranteed bandwidth.  Often it
doesn't even feel like that much.  It's usually pretty good when there
are no college students around, though ... (not sure if this will or
won't be the case when the conference is being held)

Cameron



From maset at ucc.asn.au  Tue May 13 13:37:23 2008
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:37:23 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] buying stuff
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131332120.20577@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi Guys

Just a friendly reminder that the club's constitution requires that 'No 
payment shall be made on behalf of or in the name of the Club unless it 
has been authorised by the Committee.' [section 22.4 - 
http://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/const.ucc#finance].

So all decisions for purchases (including coke runs) should be authorised 
(by a motion and vote) before someone spends or promises money. In the 
past we set spending limits in these motions, but that doesn't seem 
strictly necessary from the wording of the constitution.

A particularly vindictive member could try and hold the committee members 
responsible for any unauthorised purchases, which would suck.

Cheers,
Anil.

From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue May 13 13:24:02 2008
From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:24:02 +0800
Subject: [committee] [wheel] internet access for astronomy conference
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805122151k542e9695w148e157800c88e93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805122151k542e9695w148e157800c88e93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <482925F2.5020403@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Scott Young wrote:
> Which lecture theatre? It's possible to connect to UCC's VPN over the
> SNAP network run by the university, so if SNAP infrastructure is there
> already, then we wouldn't need to set up any wireless hardware.
> 
> UCC's Bright link (the non-AARNet one) is burstable to something like
> 3Mbps, IIRC, but considering that some club members think it's too
> slow for general use in the clubroom, I don't know how suitable it
> would be for a couple of hundred users.

It's in the Tattersall lecture theatre, near (or in)? the molecular and 
chemical sciences building. I'm sure there will be SNAP hardware there 
or nearby, but I'm not sure the existing SNAP access points can manage 
to get decent signal into the lecture theatre, or handle lots of users 
in one place.

Also, the whole point is to simplify setup on attendees computers, 
trying to lead 200 people through setting up a new VPN on their machines 
would be a nightmare. If we were going that route, we'd just use SNAP, 
and ask UCS for a couple of hundred username/passwords and give them out 
in conference satchels.

The idea is for a dedicated wireless setup, a single WPA password 
distributed to everyone, and the conference budget will pay for all the 
traffic...

It is in early July, well after exams and in the middle of the mid-year 
break, so the bright link might be OK - if not, we could use the iVEC 
network link in the same way, but UCC help setting it up could still be 
handy.

Andrew


From scott at sjy.id.au  Tue May 13 13:39:58 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:39:58 +0800
Subject: [committee] [wheel] internet access for astronomy conference
In-Reply-To: <482925F2.5020403@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805122151k542e9695w148e157800c88e93@mail.gmail.com>
	<482925F2.5020403@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805122239y7888facr3e4f14c0b5c6f27d@mail.gmail.com>

>  The idea is for a dedicated wireless setup, a single WPA password
> distributed to everyone, and the conference budget will pay for all the
> traffic...

We don't get charged for Bright link traffic, but we do get charged
for AARNet traffic. The AARNet link would be fast enough, but as I
understand it, the use of that connection is restricted to University
staff and students only (and for that reason, I didn't think UCS were
allowed to make logons for conference attendees and so on).

As far as I know, the only reason we couldn't use the AARNet link
instead is political (plus the fact that it costs money). I don't see
any technical reason why we couldn't provide conference attendees with
internet access via the AARNet link... but I have no idea how to go
about doing that myself.


From sj26 at sj26.com  Tue May 13 13:51:39 2008
From: sj26 at sj26.com (Samuel Cochran)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:51:39 +0800
Subject: [committee] [wheel] internet access for astronomy conference
In-Reply-To: <2950750e0805122251se0bd8c0x81d5f22c8034ac04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<2950750e0805122251se0bd8c0x81d5f22c8034ac04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2950750e0805122251x40e03294uee46650a16f2f8d6@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/13 Samuel Cochran <sj26 at sj26.com>:
>  There is an infrastructure put in place by ITS Client Services
>  (specifically Gaye Harvey) for rapidly provisioning many (100s of)
>  conference accounts, although it's not free.

To clarify: for PARNET access.

Sam.

-- 
Samuel Cochran
sj26 at sj26.com, +61-415-441-909


From sj26 at sj26.com  Tue May 13 13:51:12 2008
From: sj26 at sj26.com (Samuel Cochran)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:51:12 +0800
Subject: [committee] [wheel] internet access for astronomy conference
In-Reply-To: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <2950750e0805122251se0bd8c0x81d5f22c8034ac04@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/13 Andrew Williams <andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>:
>  -how big UCC's non-PARNET link is - as I understand it, we can't use PARNET
> without giving each attendee a unique username/password. Can it support a
> couple of hundred users?

To do that over SNAP to UCC you'll need some user accounts too, we rely on PPTP.

There is an infrastructure put in place by ITS Client Services
(specifically Gaye Harvey) for rapidly provisioning many (100s of)
conference accounts, although it's not free.

Sam.

-- 
Samuel Cochran
sj26 at sj26.com, +61-415-441-909


From maset at ucc.asn.au  Tue May 13 14:10:50 2008
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:10:50 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] buying stuff
In-Reply-To: <f2c10a020805122305q544847adubdcc83711c142b5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131332120.20577@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<f2c10a020805122305q544847adubdcc83711c142b5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131410090.20577@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

No, but does expose the club to arseholes rorting for money.

> They don't need to be approved individually, though. :)
> 
> Chris

From matt at ucc.asn.au  Tue May 13 19:16:03 2008
From: matt at ucc.asn.au (Matt Johnston)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:16:03 +0800
Subject: [committee] Machine Room Lock
In-Reply-To: <C44F33DA.34E6%reaps@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805131148320.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<C44F33DA.34E6%reaps@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20080513111603.GM7144@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:02:34PM +0800, Craig Williams wrote:
> Excuse me, our exclusive and invite-only club makes the decisions for the
> club.

Yeah. Seems odd why it was handballed to wheel. There's a
point in having a trusted group of admins in terms of
privacy/competence etc, but extending it to be "only wheel
can have anything physically to do with the machineroom" (or
various other "wheel business" issues) is a bit silly.

Also, physical security for UCC computers extends beyond the
bounds of the machineroom anyway.

Matt

From jacques at chester.id.au  Tue May 13 20:27:25 2008
From: jacques at chester.id.au (Jacques Chester)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:27:25 +0800
Subject: [committee] Server for sale
Message-ID: <91D5B729-F232-4A50-9E17-B8E264529F39@chester.id.au>

Hello guys;

As some of you may know, I have a server (troppo) parked in the club's  
machine
room. It serves a few odds and sods but is mostly under-utilised,  
especially
since we didn't have much luck getting Xen to run on it.

We'd like to sell it to the club.

The machine is a Q6600 4x2.4Ghz Core2 Duo with 8Gb RAM and 250Gb of  
disk.
It's pretty darn beefy for serving a few thousand hits per day. I reckon
it would make a nice VM machine for consolidating a few servers,  
especially
with a few extra drives added.

Anyway. Our asking price is $1500. Please let me know if you're  
interested.

Cheers,

JC.


From mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed May 14 22:31:54 2008
From: mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:31:54 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] [wheel] internet access for astronomy conference
In-Reply-To: <482925F2.5020403@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <482916C9.9040607@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805122151k542e9695w148e157800c88e93@mail.gmail.com>
	<482925F2.5020403@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805142229260.2384@pout.bentwood.tearle.com>

On Tue, 13 May 2008, Andrew Williams wrote:

> Scott Young wrote:
>> Which lecture theatre? It's possible to connect to UCC's VPN over the
>> SNAP network run by the university, so if SNAP infrastructure is there
>> already, then we wouldn't need to set up any wireless hardware.
>> 
>> UCC's Bright link (the non-AARNet one) is burstable to something like
>> 3Mbps, IIRC, but considering that some club members think it's too
>> slow for general use in the clubroom, I don't know how suitable it
>> would be for a couple of hundred users.
>
> It's in the Tattersall lecture theatre, near (or in)? the molecular and 
> chemical sciences building. I'm sure there will be SNAP hardware there or 
> nearby, but I'm not sure the existing SNAP access points can manage to get 
> decent signal into the lecture theatre, or handle lots of users in one place.
>
> Also, the whole point is to simplify setup on attendees computers, trying to 
> lead 200 people through setting up a new VPN on their machines would be a 
> nightmare. If we were going that route, we'd just use SNAP, and ask UCS for a 
> couple of hundred username/passwords and give them out in conference 
> satchels.
>
> The idea is for a dedicated wireless setup, a single WPA password distributed 
> to everyone, and the conference budget will pay for all the traffic...
>
> It is in early July, well after exams and in the middle of the mid-year 
> break, so the bright link might be OK - if not, we could use the iVEC network 
> link in the same way, but UCC help setting it up could still be handy.
>
> Andrew
>

Hi Andrew

Give my work personality a call ... 6488 7950 or 0418 958 985 ... I
should be able to advise on the options available to you.  I've got a
reasonable grip on what is in each of the buildings/etc....

Mark

-- 
Mark Tearle - mtearle at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

Fish!


From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu May 15 13:00:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 24 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080515050001.BEF7E6C099@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

prothoss : troppo for sale ($1500)

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May 16 01:00:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 01:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 12 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080515170001.966A16C09A@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

prothoss : troppo for sale ($1500)

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May 16 12:15:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:15:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 45 minute warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080516041501.80BF56C099@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

prothoss : troppo for sale ($1500)

From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May 16 20:41:11 2008
From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:41:11 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
Message-ID: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>

G'Day,

I have just had a look at the UCC web pages to look athow to renew my
memberhsip for 2008. The web pages still suggest that the 2008
membership renewable information should be available sortly. 

As actually coming into the club room is a little difficult for me
(until November), can you please let me know where I can aquire a
membership form online, and how I can pay my membership for this year.
Paypal is good for me. 

I think my form for 2007 got lost in the mail some time last year. 

Many thanks.

Simon

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to 
philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is 
the utility of the final product."  
Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh

From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sat May 17 15:32:41 2008
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:32:41 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Fri, 16 May 2008, Simon Fryer wrote:
> As actually coming into the club room is a little difficult for me
> (until November), can you please let me know where I can aquire a
> membership form online, and how I can pay my membership for this year.
> Paypal is good for me. 

Here are a few slightly off-topic thoughts:

We probably need a new PayPal account (the current one being used is 
paypal-2007 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au).

Our account was limited recently, because PayPal are asking for a 
number of documents to verify that we are a not-for-profit 
organisation. Luckily, we managed to withdraw all the funds before 
transfer limitations were imposed.

PayPal are chasing:
"""
- A cancelled check registered to your organisation
- Evidence of tax exempt status or registration with any regulatory bodies
- Information about the nature of your organisation and the type of 
payments you intend to process with PayPal
"""

I'm not sure whether it's worth chasing these up: the first is impossible 
and the whole thing seems to be very orientated towards the US financial 
system. It might just be easier to create <paypal-2008 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
and make sure not to mark us as a non-profit organisation.

A solution that doesn't require PayPal would be ideal - they are becoming 
more and more 'evil' (there was no e-mail notification of investigation 
or limitation of our account, and it's becoming less and less obvious how 
you can pay with a credit card without needing a PayPal account). We could 
use the University's credit card interface but that needs a business unit 
and so on, so would need close cooperation with the Guild.

I'd started writing an interface to connect PayPal receipts with dispense 
accounts, allowing top-up of dispense via credit card, but didn't make 
much progress once I realised the problems with the current account.

There's also a separate discussion here on whether allowing large-scale 
non-cash transactions with dispense is a good idea; arguably it's getting 
a little bit out of hand.

Maybe I should get back on the project to hook up the Guild website to the 
UWA credit card system and allow all clubs to accept credit card payments 
with minimal pain...

David Adam
zanchey@

From jacques at chester.id.au  Sat May 17 18:20:58 2008
From: jacques at chester.id.au (Jacques Chester)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:20:58 +0800
Subject: [committee] Server for sale
In-Reply-To: <91D5B729-F232-4A50-9E17-B8E264529F39@chester.id.au>
References: <91D5B729-F232-4A50-9E17-B8E264529F39@chester.id.au>
Message-ID: <FDEB5318-2D00-4580-AF0A-95B5A3B7E397@chester.id.au>

Hello all;

I understand that the committee felt $1500 was too high a price for
troppo considering what it could buy in new parts. I'd be interested
in heearing counter-offers I can take back to Ken Parish.

Cheers,

JC.


From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun May 18 03:53:39 2008
From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:53:39 +0800
Subject: [committee] Server for sale
In-Reply-To: <FDEB5318-2D00-4580-AF0A-95B5A3B7E397@chester.id.au>
References: <91D5B729-F232-4A50-9E17-B8E264529F39@chester.id.au>
	<FDEB5318-2D00-4580-AF0A-95B5A3B7E397@chester.id.au>
Message-ID: <20080517195339.GA30927@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Sat, May 17, 2008, Jacques Chester wrote:
> Hello all;
> 
> I understand that the committee felt $1500 was too high a price for
> troppo considering what it could buy in new parts. I'd be interested
> in heearing counter-offers I can take back to Ken Parish.

start by looking at the value of the components if bought now, and
remove something like 15%?



Adrian


From alex at theducks.org  Sun May 18 08:15:19 2008
From: alex at theducks.org (Alex Dawson)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:15:19 +0800
Subject: [committee] Server for sale
In-Reply-To: <20080517195339.GA30927@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <91D5B729-F232-4A50-9E17-B8E264529F39@chester.id.au>
	<FDEB5318-2D00-4580-AF0A-95B5A3B7E397@chester.id.au>
	<20080517195339.GA30927@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <9564FE93-71DC-4FAE-B7CE-DD7CB2905AEF@theducks.org>

For something that's been run as a server for about a year, including  
in environments with failed airconditioning? More like 60%

Computer hardware doesn't hold value.

On 18/05/2008, at 3:53 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On Sat, May 17, 2008, Jacques Chester wrote:
>> Hello all;
>>
>> I understand that the committee felt $1500 was too high a price for
>> troppo considering what it could buy in new parts. I'd be interested
>> in heearing counter-offers I can take back to Ken Parish.
>
> start by looking at the value of the components if bought now, and
> remove something like 15%?
>
>
>
> Adrian
>
>

-- 
    alex at theducks.org -=- http://www.theducks.org/
    ICQ:4496760   MSN:passport at splash.theducks.org
    iChat/AIM: lgmduck at AIM        Yahoo!: lgm_duck



From sj26 at sj26.com  Sun May 18 15:50:04 2008
From: sj26 at sj26.com (Samuel Cochran)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:50:04 +0800
Subject: [committee] Server for sale
In-Reply-To: <9564FE93-71DC-4FAE-B7CE-DD7CB2905AEF@theducks.org>
References: <91D5B729-F232-4A50-9E17-B8E264529F39@chester.id.au>
	<FDEB5318-2D00-4580-AF0A-95B5A3B7E397@chester.id.au>
	<20080517195339.GA30927@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<9564FE93-71DC-4FAE-B7CE-DD7CB2905AEF@theducks.org>
Message-ID: <2950750e0805180050t368f8afta270269a2f15e576@mail.gmail.com>

Brand new, without a case/psu, this hardware is $722 at current prices
from NetPlus. Add somewhere between $100-300 for the rackmount
case/psu, new hardware is ~$1000.

Second hand hardware is probably worth ~$600.

Sam.

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Alex Dawson <alex at theducks.org> wrote:
> For something that's been run as a server for about a year, including in
> environments with failed airconditioning? More like 60%
>
> Computer hardware doesn't hold value.
>
> On 18/05/2008, at 3:53 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, May 17, 2008, Jacques Chester wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all;
>>>
>>> I understand that the committee felt $1500 was too high a price for
>>> troppo considering what it could buy in new parts. I'd be interested
>>> in heearing counter-offers I can take back to Ken Parish.
>>
>> start by looking at the value of the components if bought now, and
>> remove something like 15%?
>>
>>
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>
> --
>   alex at theducks.org -=- http://www.theducks.org/
>   ICQ:4496760   MSN:passport at splash.theducks.org
>   iChat/AIM: lgmduck at AIM        Yahoo!: lgm_duck
>
>
>
>



-- 
Samuel Cochran
sj26 at sj26.com, +61-415-441-909


From jacques at chester.id.au  Sun May 18 15:56:43 2008
From: jacques at chester.id.au (Jacques Chester)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:56:43 +0800
Subject: [committee] Server for sale
In-Reply-To: <2950750e0805180050t368f8afta270269a2f15e576@mail.gmail.com>
References: <91D5B729-F232-4A50-9E17-B8E264529F39@chester.id.au>
	<FDEB5318-2D00-4580-AF0A-95B5A3B7E397@chester.id.au>
	<20080517195339.GA30927@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<9564FE93-71DC-4FAE-B7CE-DD7CB2905AEF@theducks.org>
	<2950750e0805180050t368f8afta270269a2f15e576@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A7D62C7-60BA-46CB-A722-2F524ED376AC@chester.id.au>

The price keeps on falling every time somebody replies :)


Anyway, I'll take back your remarks to Ken. It looks like we might have
another buyer in any case.

Cheers,

JC.


From scott at sjy.id.au  Mon May 19 14:16:00 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:16:00 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>

> We probably need a new PayPal account (the current one being used is
> paypal-2007 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au).

Okay. What's the rationale behind using a different PayPal account for
each year, not just paypal at ucc?

> It might just be easier to create <paypal-2008 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
> and make sure not to mark us as a non-profit organisation.

Looks like it. Although didn't you say there was another option? Isn't
it worth at least chasing them up with an email (I thought they also
asked just for an explanation of what exactly it is that we do, should
it be difficult for us to provide the other three things they wanted.)

I suppose if we're still going to be stuck with the outdated account
name, it's not worth doing, though.

> A solution that doesn't require PayPal would be ideal

Agreed.. kind of. Although I recognize that PayPal are not the nicest
company to deal with (I've had my fair share of problems with them in
the past), there's no other method as ubiquitous as PayPal to buy
stuff online if you don't have a credit card using a bank transaction.
(PayPal can direct-debit your bank account). Maybe if we were able to
take bank transfers directly somehow?

Is there anything /requiring/ us to use Guild banking? As far as I can
tell, the main advantage of using a Guild bank account is that there
are no fees -- but the complete lack of netbanking is a bit crap.
Maybe we could open a supplementary account with Westpac -- they might
have cheap accounts for non-profits, and even if they don't, interest
$1000 or so in the account for a year will make more than enough to
cover the fees. We often have a lot more than that much money, too, so
it would more than likely generate us a hundred dollars or so every
year.

> use the University's credit card interface but that needs a business unit
> and so on, so would need close cooperation with the Guild.

This sounds like the way to go as far as credit card payments are
concerned, although I don't know anything about the pros and cons of
'close cooperation with the Guild'.

> There's also a separate discussion here on whether allowing large-scale
> non-cash transactions with dispense is a good idea; arguably it's getting
> a little bit out of hand.

I don't think so, but perhaps this is something better put on the
ucc at ucc list. (In fact, it might be worth copying this whole email to
ucc at ucc, for the benefit of those who aren't subscribed to
committee at .)

--
Scott Young (splintax)
2008 UCC Treasurer


From davyd at madeley.id.au  Mon May 19 14:29:11 2008
From: davyd at madeley.id.au (Davyd Madeley)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:29:11 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080519062911.GF1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 02:16:00PM +0800, Scott Young wrote:
> 
> Is there anything /requiring/ us to use Guild banking? As far as I can
> tell, the main advantage of using a Guild bank account is that there
> are no fees -- but the complete lack of netbanking is a bit crap.
> Maybe we could open a supplementary account with Westpac -- they might
> have cheap accounts for non-profits, and even if they don't, interest
> $1000 or so in the account for a year will make more than enough to
> cover the fees. We often have a lot more than that much money, too, so
> it would more than likely generate us a hundred dollars or so every
> year.
> 

The thing to be aware of is that the UCC is not a legal entity. This
means that it cannot hold a bank account.

For the UCC to hold a bank account it would need to incorporate
which would open it up to a lot of liability that is currently
deflected at the Guild. It think it would require us to submit to
yearly audits to maintain not-for-profit status and a whole bunch of
dicking around for very little appreciable gain.

Additionally, having our money held in trust by the Guild allows the
Guild to generate revenue off club funds while we're not spending
them, thus enabling grants and handouts to a greater value than we'd
create in interest off a $3000 bank balance. It's a win-win
situation.

--d

-- 
Davyd Madeley

http://www.davyd.id.au/
08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118  C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA


From davyd at madeley.id.au  Mon May 19 14:33:39 2008
From: davyd at madeley.id.au (Davyd Madeley)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:33:39 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080519062911.GF1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519062911.GF1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
Message-ID: <20080519063339.GG1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>

Actually I'm told that unincorporated assocations can hold bank
accounts. Perhaps I was thinking that they cannot take out loans.

That said, submitting change of signatories paperwork with a bank
every year is a PITA. Just ask the 07 Swancon committee.

--d

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 02:29:11PM +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote:
> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 02:16:00PM +0800, Scott Young wrote:
> > 
> > Is there anything /requiring/ us to use Guild banking? As far as I can
> > tell, the main advantage of using a Guild bank account is that there
> > are no fees -- but the complete lack of netbanking is a bit crap.
> > Maybe we could open a supplementary account with Westpac -- they might
> > have cheap accounts for non-profits, and even if they don't, interest
> > $1000 or so in the account for a year will make more than enough to
> > cover the fees. We often have a lot more than that much money, too, so
> > it would more than likely generate us a hundred dollars or so every
> > year.
> > 
> 
> The thing to be aware of is that the UCC is not a legal entity. This
> means that it cannot hold a bank account.
> 
> For the UCC to hold a bank account it would need to incorporate
> which would open it up to a lot of liability that is currently
> deflected at the Guild. It think it would require us to submit to
> yearly audits to maintain not-for-profit status and a whole bunch of
> dicking around for very little appreciable gain.
> 
> Additionally, having our money held in trust by the Guild allows the
> Guild to generate revenue off club funds while we're not spending
> them, thus enabling grants and handouts to a greater value than we'd
> create in interest off a $3000 bank balance. It's a win-win
> situation.
> 
> --d
> 
> -- 
> Davyd Madeley
> 
> http://www.davyd.id.au/
> 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118  C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA
> 

-- 
Davyd Madeley

http://www.davyd.id.au/
08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118  C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA


From grahame at angrygoats.net  Mon May 19 14:34:50 2008
From: grahame at angrygoats.net (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:34:50 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080519062911.GF1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519062911.GF1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
Message-ID: <be544bf70805182334m4505b4fic2aacb7b0db9b4be@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/19 Davyd Madeley <davyd at madeley.id.au>:
> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 02:16:00PM +0800, Scott Young wrote:
>>
>> Is there anything /requiring/ us to use Guild banking? As far as I can
>> tell, the main advantage of using a Guild bank account is that there
>> are no fees -- but the complete lack of netbanking is a bit crap.
>> Maybe we could open a supplementary account with Westpac -- they might
>> have cheap accounts for non-profits, and even if they don't, interest
>> $1000 or so in the account for a year will make more than enough to
>> cover the fees. We often have a lot more than that much money, too, so
>> it would more than likely generate us a hundred dollars or so every
>> year.
>>
>
> The thing to be aware of is that the UCC is not a legal entity. This
> means that it cannot hold a bank account.
>
> For the UCC to hold a bank account it would need to incorporate
> which would open it up to a lot of liability that is currently
> deflected at the Guild. It think it would require us to submit to
> yearly audits to maintain not-for-profit status and a whole bunch of
> dicking around for very little appreciable gain.

We had a bank account circa 1999, with Unicredit. We closed it because
the Guild demanded we exclusively bank with Guild banking. AFAIK
except for Guild rules, nothing is stopping the UCC opening another
bank account.

> Additionally, having our money held in trust by the Guild allows the
> Guild to generate revenue off club funds while we're not spending
> them, thus enabling grants and handouts to a greater value than we'd
> create in interest off a $3000 bank balance. It's a win-win
> situation.

Not really, we'd get a better win with real amounts of interest on our
$3000 that could then be reinvested back into the club.


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon May 19 14:35:57 2008
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:35:57 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805191433080.21572@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, 19 May 2008, Scott Young wrote:

> Okay. What's the rationale behind using a different PayPal account for
> each year, not just paypal at ucc?

Namespace issues - if we fuck up paypal at ucc it's gone for good, 
paypal-year can be thrown away.

> > It might just be easier to create <paypal-2008 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
> > and make sure not to mark us as a non-profit organisation.
> 
> Looks like it. Although didn't you say there was another option? Isn't
> it worth at least chasing them up with an email (I thought they also
> asked just for an explanation of what exactly it is that we do, should
> it be difficult for us to provide the other three things they wanted.)

paymate.com.au seemed pretty good from my brief look. They were set up by 
eBay Australia and sold off when eBay International bought PayPal, so 
they're designed for what UCC wants to do.

> Is there anything /requiring/ us to use Guild banking? As far as I can
> tell, the main advantage of using a Guild bank account is that there
> are no fees -- but the complete lack of netbanking is a bit crap.
> Maybe we could open a supplementary account with Westpac -- they might
> have cheap accounts for non-profits, and even if they don't, interest
> $1000 or so in the account for a year will make more than enough to
> cover the fees. We often have a lot more than that much money, too, so
> it would more than likely generate us a hundred dollars or so every
> year.

Changing signatories on a real account is a PITA especially if the 
previous ones aren't available for whatever reason, whereas the guild will 
change them just by filing a form after the AGM.

-- 
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# UCC Wheel Member     http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #|  what squirrels do best     |
[ "There's nobody getting rich writing          ]|  -- Collect and hide your   |
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From scott at sjy.id.au  Mon May 19 14:47:06 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:47:06 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805191433080.21572@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805191433080.21572@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805182347u313e811fp6171416f4d99dc98@mail.gmail.com>

> Namespace issues - if we fuck up paypal at ucc it's gone for good,
> paypal-year can be thrown away.

IIRC, it's easy to delete a PayPal account (there's a "close this
account" option somewhere), and I'm pretty sure it's possible to
re-open an account with the same email address as before, so I don't
really think this is an issue. I'm pretty sure I did this a few months
ago with my personal account. Obviously, it might be a good idea to
check first, though.

> Changing signatories on a real account is a PITA especially if the
> previous ones aren't available for whatever reason, whereas the guild will
> change them just by filing a form after the AGM.

This is just side-stepping the issue, really, but the way I'd
envisaged it, we'd be getting one of those high-interest,
low-or-zero-fee online-only savings accounts. That'd allow us to
accept bank transfers online, and access could be negotiated just by
changing the account password. Of course, /technically/ we'd still
need to change signatories, but it wouldn't be such a big deal if
access was online-only anyway.

Of course, if opening a bank account would risk losing grants from the
Guild, and so on, then I guess it's not even worth discussing. I might
have a look through the Guild website and see if I can find anything
supporting this.


From davyd at madeley.id.au  Mon May 19 14:49:30 2008
From: davyd at madeley.id.au (Davyd Madeley)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:49:30 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <be544bf70805182334m4505b4fic2aacb7b0db9b4be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519062911.GF1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
	<be544bf70805182334m4505b4fic2aacb7b0db9b4be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080519064930.GH1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 02:34:50PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:

> > Additionally, having our money held in trust by the Guild allows the
> > Guild to generate revenue off club funds while we're not spending
> > them, thus enabling grants and handouts to a greater value than we'd
> > create in interest off a $3000 bank balance. It's a win-win
> > situation.
> 
> Not really, we'd get a better win with real amounts of interest on our
> $3000 that could then be reinvested back into the club.

Assuming you could get 8% that's only $240.

Most banks however require you either to have significantly more
money in the account (e.g. > $5000) or not to make any withdrawls in
that month.

Maybe if the UCC was dealing in real amounts of money it would be
worth it.

Don't forget as well, we can currently issue free cheques, and it's
especially painless to pay our biggest creditor (University
Finance).

You can transfer money into the Guild's account if you tell Henry
the value in advance and it has a message on it like FOR UCC. It's
only really useful for large amounts though.

--d

-- 
Davyd Madeley

http://www.davyd.id.au/
08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118  C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA


From scott at sjy.id.au  Mon May 19 15:19:01 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:19:01 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080519064930.GH1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519062911.GF1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
	<be544bf70805182334m4505b4fic2aacb7b0db9b4be@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519064930.GH1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805190019y5df31c0ai452fc31808d78020@mail.gmail.com>

> Assuming you could get 8% that's only $240.

Yeah, it's not much, but do you have any solid evidence to suggest
that we really make more than that off "grants and handouts" from the
Guild's investments of club money? Maybe I'm being unreasonably
cynical, but the Guild also claims that you can get "student-priced
quality meals" at the Ref, when Guild catering is of poor quality and
horrendously expensive. I don't know that I'm convinced that we'd
receive any less money from the Guild in grants if we had less money
invested in their banking system.

> Don't forget as well, we can currently issue free cheques, and it's
> especially painless to pay our biggest creditor (University
> Finance).

It's true that paying Financial Services is pretty easy, but it's
still way more effort than paying my personal phone bill by BPay, for
example. (I'm pretty sure that they don't accept BPay or anything that
simple, though, so I suppose this is a moot point.)

Cheques are all but obsolete for anything but mailing money these
days, in my opinion. The only time I've seen UCC use cheques is to pay
members back for large purchases (and in all of those cases, it would
have been easier for the member in question to just receive the money
in their account rather than having to make a trip to their own bank
to deposit the cheque). Cheques are annoying.

> You can transfer money into the Guild's account if you tell Henry
> the value in advance and it has a message on it like FOR UCC. It's
> only really useful for large amounts though.

Well, this wouldn't really help when we're trying to collect member
donations or membership fees (which are the situations where we
currently use PayPal).


From davyd at madeley.id.au  Mon May 19 15:26:54 2008
From: davyd at madeley.id.au (Davyd Madeley)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:26:54 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805190019y5df31c0ai452fc31808d78020@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519062911.GF1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
	<be544bf70805182334m4505b4fic2aacb7b0db9b4be@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519064930.GH1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
	<1ae2edda0805190019y5df31c0ai452fc31808d78020@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080519072654.GI1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 03:19:01PM +0800, Scott Young wrote:
> > Assuming you could get 8% that's only $240.
> 
> Yeah, it's not much, but do you have any solid evidence to suggest
> that we really make more than that off "grants and handouts" from the
> Guild's investments of club money? Maybe I'm being unreasonably
> cynical, but the Guild also claims that you can get "student-priced
> quality meals" at the Ref, when Guild catering is of poor quality and
> horrendously expensive. I don't know that I'm convinced that we'd
> receive any less money from the Guild in grants if we had less money
> invested in their banking system.

I don't have any direct evidence, but at the same time, the Guild
does invest the money it's not using and assumedly it's a significant
revenue stream. It doesn't pay to be selfish, what benefits the
Guild benefits the UCC.

> > Don't forget as well, we can currently issue free cheques, and it's
> > especially painless to pay our biggest creditor (University
> > Finance).
> 
> It's true that paying Financial Services is pretty easy, but it's
> still way more effort than paying my personal phone bill by BPay, for
> example. (I'm pretty sure that they don't accept BPay or anything that
> simple, though, so I suppose this is a moot point.)

I'm pretty sure the only form of payment they accept is cheque.
That's how the Guild pays them.

> Cheques are all but obsolete for anything but mailing money these
> days, in my opinion. The only time I've seen UCC use cheques is to pay
> members back for large purchases (and in all of those cases, it would
> have been easier for the member in question to just receive the money
> in their account rather than having to make a trip to their own bank
> to deposit the cheque). Cheques are annoying.

Cheques are still very ubiquitous in business. Most of the goods and
services we buy directly from other businesses are invoiced and then
paid by cheque. It is annoying for members though, it's true.

> > You can transfer money into the Guild's account if you tell Henry
> > the value in advance and it has a message on it like FOR UCC. It's
> > only really useful for large amounts though.
> 
> Well, this wouldn't really help when we're trying to collect member
> donations or membership fees (which are the situations where we
> currently use PayPal).

Batch them up?

--d

-- 
Davyd Madeley

http://www.davyd.id.au/
08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118  C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA


From scott at sjy.id.au  Mon May 19 15:30:38 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:30:38 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080519072654.GI1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519062911.GF1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
	<be544bf70805182334m4505b4fic2aacb7b0db9b4be@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519064930.GH1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
	<1ae2edda0805190019y5df31c0ai452fc31808d78020@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080519072654.GI1260@bridgewayconsulting.com.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805190030v457f8749v9c746d4d41ff3e7c@mail.gmail.com>

> Cheques are still very ubiquitous in business. Most of the goods and
> services we buy directly from other businesses are invoiced and then
> paid by cheque. It is annoying for members though, it's true.

I realise that cheques are still widely accepted. My point was more
that these days they're more of a fallback method of payment than
anything else -- something that's used when no more convenient method
is available.

> Batch them up?

I don't know what you mean -- payments come from many different
members, so I don't see how they could all be done in a batch.


From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon May 19 21:20:01 2008
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:20:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805182347u313e811fp6171416f4d99dc98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805191433080.21572@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182347u313e811fp6171416f4d99dc98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805192119190.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, 19 May 2008, Scott Young wrote:
> > Namespace issues - if we fuck up paypal at ucc it's gone for good,
> > paypal-year can be thrown away.
> 
> IIRC, it's easy to delete a PayPal account (there's a "close this
> account" option somewhere), and I'm pretty sure it's possible to
> re-open an account with the same email address as before, so I don't
> really think this is an issue. I'm pretty sure I did this a few months
> ago with my personal account. Obviously, it might be a good idea to
> check first, though.

Exhibit A: we can no longer close the paypal-2007 at ucc address without 
submitting the required documentation.

[DAA]

From sj26 at sj26.com  Tue May 20 10:00:59 2008
From: sj26 at sj26.com (Samuel Cochran)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:00:59 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805192119190.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805191433080.21572@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182347u313e811fp6171416f4d99dc98@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805192119190.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <2950750e0805191900v4a233cf9t3f023a322fb7f4dd@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:20 PM, David Adam <zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008, Scott Young wrote:
>> > Namespace issues - if we fuck up paypal at ucc it's gone for good,
>> > paypal-year can be thrown away.
>>
>> IIRC, it's easy to delete a PayPal account (there's a "close this
>> account" option somewhere), and I'm pretty sure it's possible to
>> re-open an account with the same email address as before, so I don't
>> really think this is an issue. I'm pretty sure I did this a few months
>> ago with my personal account. Obviously, it might be a good idea to
>> check first, though.
>
> Exhibit A: we can no longer close the paypal-2007 at ucc address without
> submitting the required documentation.

The problem with PayPal and the reason why I never debited from the
account is that you have to associate a bank account exclusively with
a PayPal account. My PayPal account is one of the premier (or
whatever) ones which get charges for receiving money from PayPal so I
couldn't freely transfer it to my PayPal account, then my bank
account, then into the club's coffers.

Perhaps creating a closely-guarded paypal at ucc.asn.au and associating
it with the Guild's bank account number is not a bad thing? Or get the
guild to have a finance at guild.uwa.edu.au PayPal account we can
transfer into?

Regards,

Sam


From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu May 22 13:00:02 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:00:02 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 24 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080522050002.44C126C099@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:


From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May 23 01:00:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 01:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 12 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080522170001.B3B446C098@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

prothoss : Updating Key Register
matt : let non-students give ucc money^w^w^wrenew memberships easily

From its.2.complicated at gmail.com  Fri May 23 09:54:46 2008
From: its.2.complicated at gmail.com (Alix Chinnery)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:54:46 +0800
Subject: [committee] Apologies
Message-ID: <483623E6.5040301@gmail.com>

Apologies for the meeting today. Having lunch with my oldest friend for 
his birthday.
Could whoever takes the minutes email them to me so I can upload them 
and send them out.
:) Cya all next week

-- 
Alix Chinnery
10515109
Secretary '08
vixen at ucc
a.e.chinnery at gmail.com



From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May 23 12:15:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:15:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 45 minute warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080523041501.C10D36C098@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

prothoss : Updating Key Register
matt : let non-students give ucc money^w^w^wrenew memberships easily
nightrdr : New Furniture
nightrdr : Intervarsity LAN or UCC LAN?
nightrdr : epic amounts of expired chips on top of shelves
nightrdr : clubroom cleanup before LAN
nightrdr : New swivel chairs, good or bad idea (if cheap)

From prothoss at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:37:07 2008
From: prothoss at gmail.com (Conrad Pogson)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:37:07 +0800
Subject: [committee] Updating Key Register
Message-ID: <aecd21ff0805222237i5d4b9efcme310e8cab94b597e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
I've been designated to work out who has keys for what locks. The Key
Register is very out of date it seems and would probably be best to work out
a more up-to-date list. Could anyone who has any ucc related keys please
just let me know what keys they have and if they have an original or copy
(if they know). Those already on the Key Register, please let me know what
they still have. Finally, if any keys have been lost it would be nice to
know.

-- 
Conrad Pogson
OCM 2008
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From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May 23 21:46:53 2008
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:46:53 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] [wheel] Membership
In-Reply-To: <20080521181621.GA24861@rcpt.to>
References: <20080521181621.GA24861@rcpt.to>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805232136530.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Thu, 22 May 2008, Simon Fryer wrote:
> Okay, I have tried to prod committee on this however the committee list
> seems to be set up so that only the subscribed can send messages. 

Odd. I have taken this thread back to the committee list and added you to 
the 'able to post without being subscribed' list.

> I would like to renew my membership and have access to the UCC machines 
> again. Here is the slight problem - the web pages up to a week ago didn't 
> have any details on how to renew my membership for this year. Those that 
> remember me realise that it is pretty difficult for me to make it to the 
> clubroom on a regular basis for geographic reasons. 
> 
> So, does someone have the membership form in some electronic format, and
> let me know a suitable paypal account so I can renew my membership for
> this year. 

I feel this is at least partially my fault, so I have updated the web site 
with the details of the current membership payments to the best of my 
current knowledge. I am not on committee this year and I'm not going to 
meetings, so the details may be out of date.

Still, something is better than nothing:

http://ucc.asn.au/member/2008/ has the membership form and the current 
methods of joining up which I am currently aware of. Also, the Fresher's 
Guide has been uploaded to http://ucc.asn.au/infobase/freshguide/

Getting your payment to the UCC is currently left as an exercise for the 
reader, although I'd be happy to take PayPal or EFT and pay people's 
memberships (again, I'm not on committee).

David Adam
UCC Wheel Member
zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May 23 21:50:10 2008
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:50:10 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] [ucc] Minutes 23rd of May
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805230405m41202437h4144f51a71bf4f73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ae2edda0805230405m41202437h4144f51a71bf4f73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805232146580.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Scott Young wrote:
> UCC Committee Meeting Minutes 2008-05-23
> ========================================
> * President's Report:
> 	- SMS screen is broken, needs to be fixed. [DAA] is apparently buying
> a new cable for it

Purchased from some dodgy eBay vendor for the princely sum of $8. If it 
arrives and works I'll apply for reimbursment from the UCC :-)
 		
> * Action Items
> 	- [VIX] to look at 9-1 booking
> 		- MITS did one last week, we probably won't be able to get discounts
> so for now we'll forget about this

Are we forgetting about discounts or the whole event?

David Adam
zanchey@

From maset at ucc.asn.au  Sun May 25 05:21:58 2008
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 05:21:58 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] [wheel] Updating Key Register
In-Reply-To: <aecd21ff0805222237i5d4b9efcme310e8cab94b597e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecd21ff0805222237i5d4b9efcme310e8cab94b597e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805250520400.20577@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

I've said it before, but it'd make your job much easier if UCC just bought 
a new crappy lock and got new keys cut for that. If people want a new key 
they have to turn up to the clubroom.

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Conrad Pogson wrote:

> Hello all,
> I've been designated to work out who has keys for what locks. The Key
> Register is very out of date it seems and would probably be best to work
> out a more up-to-date list. Could anyone who has any ucc related keys
> please just let me know what keys they have and if they have an original
> or copy (if they know). Those already on the Key Register, please let me
> know what they still have. Finally, if any keys have been lost it would
> be nice to know.
> 
> --
> Conrad Pogson
> OCM 2008
> 
>

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?

From prothoss at gmail.com  Sun May 25 16:53:37 2008
From: prothoss at gmail.com (Conrad Pogson)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:53:37 +0800
Subject: [committee] UCC Unpaid Accounts
Message-ID: <aecd21ff0805250153o3905de7wd7f23aa806307f71@mail.gmail.com>

Dear UCC account holder,

Our records show that your account has not been renewed for 2008.
Unless you have paid 2008 membership fees by Monday, 9th June 2008,
your account will be locked.

If you have paid your membership fees, or have other queries, please contact
committee-only at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au.

For renewal information, please see http://ucc.asn.au/member/2008/ .

Thanks,

-- 
Conrad Pogson 2008 OCM
UCC Wheel Member
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From prothoss at gmail.com  Sun May 25 16:58:21 2008
From: prothoss at gmail.com (Conrad Pogson)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:58:21 +0800
Subject: [committee] UCC Unpaid Accounts
In-Reply-To: <aecd21ff0805250153o3905de7wd7f23aa806307f71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecd21ff0805250153o3905de7wd7f23aa806307f71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aecd21ff0805250158v59b7d725n5822a34d5c35d914@mail.gmail.com>

Also, when someone has paid, please either remove them from
ucc-accounts-tobelocked.csv in ~prothoss/ucc-locking or let me know somehow
so I can update that list. I will check the membership form box (sitting on
top of pitch) on the 9th before locking any accounts anyway.

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Conrad Pogson <prothoss at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear UCC account holder,
>
> Our records show that your account has not been renewed for 2008.
> Unless you have paid 2008 membership fees by Monday, 9th June 2008,
> your account will be locked.
>
> If you have paid your membership fees, or have other queries, please
> contact
> committee-only at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au.
>
> For renewal information, please see http://ucc.asn.au/member/2008/ .
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Conrad Pogson 2008 OCM
> UCC Wheel Member
>

-- 
Conrad Pogson
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From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun May 25 17:21:23 2008
From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 17:21:23 +0800
Subject: [committee] UCC Unpaid Accounts
In-Reply-To: <aecd21ff0805250153o3905de7wd7f23aa806307f71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecd21ff0805250153o3905de7wd7f23aa806307f71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48392F93.9070805@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Conrad Pogson wrote:
> Dear UCC account holder,
> 
> Our records show that your account has not been renewed for 2008.
> Unless you have paid 2008 membership fees by Monday, 9th June 2008,
> your account will be locked.

You should probably remove 'peter' from your list of unpaid accounts, 
given that Peter Lewis is a life member, he doesn't need to pay...

Andrew


From chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun May 25 17:36:05 2008
From: chas at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Chas Stan-Bishop)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 17:36:05 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] UCC Unpaid Accounts
In-Reply-To: <aecd21ff0805250153o3905de7wd7f23aa806307f71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aecd21ff0805250153o3905de7wd7f23aa806307f71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805251732560.9054@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi guys,

I have definitely renewed my membership this year (I have a 2008 
membership card), so it looks like my membership form has been misplaced. 
I paid-up mid-semester, so I presume my membership form would have been 
placed in the committee pigeon hole. Perhaps it is in a nearby box?

Chas


On Sun, 25 May 2008, Conrad Pogson wrote:

> Dear UCC account holder,
> 
> Our records show that your account has not been renewed for 2008.
> Unless you have paid 2008 membership fees by Monday, 9th June 2008,
> your account will be locked.
> 
> If you have paid your membership fees, or have other queries, please contact
> committee-only at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au.
> 
> For renewal information, please see http://ucc.asn.au/member/2008/ .
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> Conrad Pogson 2008 OCM
> UCC Wheel Member
> 
>

From davyd at madeley.id.au  Sun May 25 17:46:51 2008
From: davyd at madeley.id.au (Davyd Madeley)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 17:46:51 +0800
Subject: [committee] UCC Unpaid Accounts
In-Reply-To: <48392F93.9070805@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <aecd21ff0805250153o3905de7wd7f23aa806307f71@mail.gmail.com>
	<48392F93.9070805@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1211708812.2841.56.camel@frobisher>

On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 17:21 +0800, Andrew Williams wrote:
> Conrad Pogson wrote:
> > Dear UCC account holder,
> > 
> > Our records show that your account has not been renewed for 2008.
> > Unless you have paid 2008 membership fees by Monday, 9th June 2008,
> > your account will be locked.
> 
> You should probably remove 'peter' from your list of unpaid accounts, 
> given that Peter Lewis is a life member, he doesn't need to pay...

Somehow this mistake happens every year. Even I made it once...

--d

-- 
Davyd Madeley

http://www.davyd.id.au/
08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118  C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA



From splintax at ucc.asn.au  Mon May 26 14:44:57 2008
From: splintax at ucc.asn.au (Scott Young)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:44:57 +0800
Subject: [committee] [ucc] Minutes 23rd of May
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0805232146580.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <1ae2edda0805230405m41202437h4144f51a71bf4f73@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805232146580.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805252344v17f9779ci78e51d90723e700e@mail.gmail.com>

>> * Action Items
>>       - [VIX] to look at 9-1 booking
>>               - MITS did one last week, we probably won't be able to get discounts
>> so for now we'll forget about this
>
> Are we forgetting about discounts or the whole event?

I think it was decided that we'll forget about the event for the time
being, and maybe reconsider it in a few months.

Scott


From scott at sjy.id.au  Mon May 26 15:13:14 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:13:14 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805260013o7c9c0803ya988f6b7e9f264ed@mail.gmail.com>

I have now created paypal-2008 at ucc.asn.au, which should be okay to
send any payments to this year.

I'll have a look at the information on the website later and see if it
needs to be updated or not.

Scott

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Scott Young <scott at sjy.id.au> wrote:
>> We probably need a new PayPal account (the current one being used is
>> paypal-2007 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au).
>
> Okay. What's the rationale behind using a different PayPal account for
> each year, not just paypal at ucc?
>
>> It might just be easier to create <paypal-2008 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
>> and make sure not to mark us as a non-profit organisation.
>
> Looks like it. Although didn't you say there was another option? Isn't
> it worth at least chasing them up with an email (I thought they also
> asked just for an explanation of what exactly it is that we do, should
> it be difficult for us to provide the other three things they wanted.)
>
> I suppose if we're still going to be stuck with the outdated account
> name, it's not worth doing, though.
>
>> A solution that doesn't require PayPal would be ideal
>
> Agreed.. kind of. Although I recognize that PayPal are not the nicest
> company to deal with (I've had my fair share of problems with them in
> the past), there's no other method as ubiquitous as PayPal to buy
> stuff online if you don't have a credit card using a bank transaction.
> (PayPal can direct-debit your bank account). Maybe if we were able to
> take bank transfers directly somehow?
>
> Is there anything /requiring/ us to use Guild banking? As far as I can
> tell, the main advantage of using a Guild bank account is that there
> are no fees -- but the complete lack of netbanking is a bit crap.
> Maybe we could open a supplementary account with Westpac -- they might
> have cheap accounts for non-profits, and even if they don't, interest
> $1000 or so in the account for a year will make more than enough to
> cover the fees. We often have a lot more than that much money, too, so
> it would more than likely generate us a hundred dollars or so every
> year.
>
>> use the University's credit card interface but that needs a business unit
>> and so on, so would need close cooperation with the Guild.
>
> This sounds like the way to go as far as credit card payments are
> concerned, although I don't know anything about the pros and cons of
> 'close cooperation with the Guild'.
>
>> There's also a separate discussion here on whether allowing large-scale
>> non-cash transactions with dispense is a good idea; arguably it's getting
>> a little bit out of hand.
>
> I don't think so, but perhaps this is something better put on the
> ucc at ucc list. (In fact, it might be worth copying this whole email to
> ucc at ucc, for the benefit of those who aren't subscribed to
> committee at .)
>
> --
> Scott Young (splintax)
> 2008 UCC Treasurer
>


From scott at sjy.id.au  Tue May 27 14:41:46 2008
From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:41:46 +0800
Subject: [committee] Membership 2008
In-Reply-To: <1ae2edda0805260013o7c9c0803ya988f6b7e9f264ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080516124110.GA28198@rcpt.to>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0805171447420.3149@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<1ae2edda0805182316i281721fcn54e03e2e63cd8573@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae2edda0805260013o7c9c0803ya988f6b7e9f264ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ae2edda0805262341xac3994bw8dc4951f96d2df8e@mail.gmail.com>

I have also created paymate-2008 at ucc.asn.au, which is an account at
http://paymate.com.au (see [TRS]'s earlier email).

It needs to be associated with a bank account, so it's associated with my own.

I'll have a play around with the account (once it gets 'verified'),
and see if we can use that instead.

Scott

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Scott Young <scott at sjy.id.au> wrote:
> I have now created paypal-2008 at ucc.asn.au, which should be okay to
> send any payments to this year.
>
> I'll have a look at the information on the website later and see if it
> needs to be updated or not.
>
> Scott
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Scott Young <scott at sjy.id.au> wrote:
>>> We probably need a new PayPal account (the current one being used is
>>> paypal-2007 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au).
>>
>> Okay. What's the rationale behind using a different PayPal account for
>> each year, not just paypal at ucc?
>>
>>> It might just be easier to create <paypal-2008 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
>>> and make sure not to mark us as a non-profit organisation.
>>
>> Looks like it. Although didn't you say there was another option? Isn't
>> it worth at least chasing them up with an email (I thought they also
>> asked just for an explanation of what exactly it is that we do, should
>> it be difficult for us to provide the other three things they wanted.)
>>
>> I suppose if we're still going to be stuck with the outdated account
>> name, it's not worth doing, though.
>>
>>> A solution that doesn't require PayPal would be ideal
>>
>> Agreed.. kind of. Although I recognize that PayPal are not the nicest
>> company to deal with (I've had my fair share of problems with them in
>> the past), there's no other method as ubiquitous as PayPal to buy
>> stuff online if you don't have a credit card using a bank transaction.
>> (PayPal can direct-debit your bank account). Maybe if we were able to
>> take bank transfers directly somehow?
>>
>> Is there anything /requiring/ us to use Guild banking? As far as I can
>> tell, the main advantage of using a Guild bank account is that there
>> are no fees -- but the complete lack of netbanking is a bit crap.
>> Maybe we could open a supplementary account with Westpac -- they might
>> have cheap accounts for non-profits, and even if they don't, interest
>> $1000 or so in the account for a year will make more than enough to
>> cover the fees. We often have a lot more than that much money, too, so
>> it would more than likely generate us a hundred dollars or so every
>> year.
>>
>>> use the University's credit card interface but that needs a business unit
>>> and so on, so would need close cooperation with the Guild.
>>
>> This sounds like the way to go as far as credit card payments are
>> concerned, although I don't know anything about the pros and cons of
>> 'close cooperation with the Guild'.
>>
>>> There's also a separate discussion here on whether allowing large-scale
>>> non-cash transactions with dispense is a good idea; arguably it's getting
>>> a little bit out of hand.
>>
>> I don't think so, but perhaps this is something better put on the
>> ucc at ucc list. (In fact, it might be worth copying this whole email to
>> ucc at ucc, for the benefit of those who aren't subscribed to
>> committee at .)
>>
>> --
>> Scott Young (splintax)
>> 2008 UCC Treasurer
>>
>


From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu May 29 13:00:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 24 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080529050001.7C3FC6C09A@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

splintax : SOC meeting next Tuesday, 5pm not 6pm
prothoss : The clubroom is getting utterly filthy

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May 30 01:00:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 01:00:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 12 hour warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080529170001.A796C6C099@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

splintax : SOC meeting next Tuesday, 5pm not 6pm
prothoss : The clubroom is getting utterly filthy

From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri May 30 12:15:01 2008
From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Committee Agenda Daemon)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:15:01 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [committee] 45 minute warning: This Week's Committee Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <20080530041501.8A5E66C099@martello.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The current agenda is:

* Office Bearers Reports (President/Vice Pres/Treasurer/Secretary/Fresher Rep)

* Machine Technical Reports
  - Servers
  - Network
  - Desktops
  - Appliances
  - New equipment

* Drinks and Snacks

* Mail, Guild and SOC

* Action Items

* General Business:

splintax : SOC meeting next Tuesday, 5pm not 6pm
prothoss : The clubroom is getting utterly filthy