[committee] Minutes of Meeting on Thursday, 07th August 2014

[Sam Moore]

Whilst I tend to be of the opinion "screw the policies we have a 
constitution", I think the committee can decide to follow policies 
outside the constitution, and such things do have their place.

For those new to policy related drama:
Constitution: https://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/const.ucc
Door Policy: https://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/door.ucc

Neither of these mention the 2/3 votes rule.

What does, is the group admission guidelines:
https://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/guidelines.ucc

What is annoying and not clear from the minutes is the manner in which 
the "policy" was used to fail this motion after it had been pronounced 
"passed", despite the fact that the committee present seemed to 
unanimously agree that it was a stupid policy. And then there were the 
familiar comments about it being "rewritten".

If you think it's a stupid policy I would strongly suggest you just 
don't follow it. It's on a page that is specifically titled 
"guidelines". You may as well "rewrite" it with the title "Pirate's 
Code" and be done.

By the way, 2/3 of 8 is 5 and 1/3, so assuming you round up to 6, you're 
actually requiring 75% majority which makes this policy even more stupid.

Also, since 2013 abstains have been counted as against in committee 
votes, but not being physically present has been counted as an abstain 
(ie: not included in the total).

So, 4/6 is 2/3 and the motion would pass.

Or if "abstain" meant what it actually means, 4/5 > 2/3 and the motion 
would pass.

Yours totally confused,
[SZM]

PS: All policies ever seem to bring is confusion. See also: the KPIs


On 08/08/14 14:47, James French wrote:
> That vote should of passed. Per the constitution:
>
> "2.Except where stated otherwise in the Constitution, a motion shall
> be passed if a majority of those present and eligible to vote cast
> their vote in favour of the motion."
>
> Absolute majority is not required, not is a two third majority for
> committee votes.
>
> Regards,
> F.
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Jordan Meerwald <jmeerjt11 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/08/2014 1:47 PM, Andrew Gozzard wrote:
>>
>> ##Events
>> - UCC Dinner
>>    - [BG3] Took a look at Uniclub
>>        - $300 booking fee
>>        - $65 per person on food
>>        - minimum 20 people
>>        - three course meal
>>        - Optional drinks package ~$30 per person
>>        - Taking a look at subsidizing cost for students with a tier system;
>> one for current students, one off dispense for members, and standard price
>> [JVB] leaves 12:50
>>
>> Somewhere around here there should be a:
>>
>> - [JDN] arrives 12:45
>> - [JDN] leaves again immediately to get the guild account statement from the
>> desk three meters away from the meeting
>> - [JDN] returns again 12:50
>>
>> It should probably be in the attendance somewhere too.
>> It was easy to miss as the minutes were being transferred from JVB to Gozz
>> at the time I arrived.
>>
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