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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ca49522-8baf-c326-9e4c-8967a733444a@ucc.asn.au> Before discussing the relative merits (or otherwise) of the suggestion, it is not feasible. As a UCC is (currently) an incorporated body, the processes for us granting any kind of membership it restricted by the constitution. If committee wants to make up some other honor avoiding the word membership, then that s another game (NB: Patron is also restricted by constitution) Enjoy your meeting and greet Regard [*OX] On 3/08/2016 2:39 AM, Shay Telfer wrote: > Steve Wozniak's in town on 24th August, just wondering if the UCC was > interested in presenting him with an honorary membership? > > (If so might be nice if the membership certificate mentions the UCC is > founded 1974 thus predating the Homebrew Computer Club :) > > Have bought a ticket to a meet and greet with him on that date so can > try to present it to him. > > Have fun, > Shay > > > _______________________________________________ > List Archives: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/committee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/committee/attachments/20160804/96d73f9d/attachment.htm From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Aug 4 15:06:13 2016 From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 15:06:13 +0800 Subject: [committee] Membership for Woz? In-Reply-To: <2ca49522-8baf-c326-9e4c-8967a733444a@ucc.asn.au> References: <2ca49522-8baf-c326-9e4c-8967a733444a@ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <865f3f55-d3a9-3047-cc61-3adc790c7a3a@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On 2016-08-04 2:07 PM, Frames wrote: > Before discussing the relative merits (or otherwise) of the suggestion, > it is not feasible. > As a UCC is (currently) an incorporated body, > the processes for us granting any kind of membership it restricted by > the constitution. ------------------------------ honorary: adjective 1. given for honor only, without the usual requirements, duties, privileges, emoluments, etc.: The university presented the new governor with an honorary degree. ------------------------------ Using the word _honorary_ means that the process is _not_ bound by the constitution ('the usual requirements'), because holding an honorary membership doesn't give any of the actual benefits ('privileges') of membership. Unless the constitution specifically mentions honorary memberships and defines rules for granting them, there's no need to do anything other than print up a certificate. Andrew From mjpomery at ucc.asn.au Thu Aug 4 20:53:05 2016 From: mjpomery at ucc.asn.au (Mitchell Pomery) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 20:53:05 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Membership for Woz? In-Reply-To: <865f3f55-d3a9-3047-cc61-3adc790c7a3a@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <2ca49522-8baf-c326-9e4c-8967a733444a@ucc.asn.au> <865f3f55-d3a9-3047-cc61-3adc790c7a3a@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: The Constitution mentions Honorary life Membership: "The Club in General Meeting may by a two-third majority of those present and voting confer Honorary Life Membership upon any member who has performed outstanding service to the Club." It could be argued that as the "pioneer of the personal computer revolution of the 1970s and 1980s" (from wikipedia) he's managed to perform outstanding service to the club (even though he wasn't a member). Otherwise membership in general is managed by the committee: """ 1. Membership is open to any person who shares the aims of the Club and agrees to comply with the Constitution and rules of the Club. 2. A subscription for ordinary membership may be payable to the Club if the Committee so desires. 3. All members must comply with all provisions relating to affiliated societies included in the Guild Statute Book. """ It's my understanding that he committee could choose to give him Membership or Honorary Membership if they so wish. I've added it to the agenda for the committee to discuss. Thanks, Mitchell Pomery 2015 President University Computer Club On Thu, 4 Aug 2016, Andrew Williams wrote: > On 2016-08-04 2:07 PM, Frames wrote: >> Before discussing the relative merits (or otherwise) of the suggestion, >> it is not feasible. >> As a UCC is (currently) an incorporated body, >> the processes for us granting any kind of membership it restricted by >> the constitution. > > ------------------------------ > honorary: adjective > > 1. > given for honor only, without the usual requirements, duties, > privileges, emoluments, etc.: > The university presented the new governor with an honorary degree. > ------------------------------ > > Using the word _honorary_ means that the process is _not_ bound by the > constitution ('the usual requirements'), because holding an honorary > membership doesn't give any of the actual benefits ('privileges') of > membership. > > Unless the constitution specifically mentions honorary memberships and > defines rules for granting them, there's no need to do anything other > than print up a certificate. > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > List Archives: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/committee > From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Aug 5 07:00:01 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 07:00:01 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 6 Hour Warning Message-ID: <20160804230001.4E3972003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held Today at 13:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- In a museum in Havana, there are two skulls of Christopher Columbus, "one when he was a boy and one when he was a man." -- Mark Twain From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Aug 5 12:00:00 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 12:00:00 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 60 Minute Warning Message-ID: <20160805040000.33E152003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held Today at 13:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- You work very hard. Don't try to think as well. From oxinabox at ucc.asn.au Fri Aug 5 17:22:58 2016 From: oxinabox at ucc.asn.au (Frames) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:22:58 +0800 Subject: [committee] More space on Molmol Message-ID: <8b81bec7-3a02-42ec-48b4-67e65e078dbf@ucc.asn.au> Ok, here is the deal with Molmol. We're running out space. The situation is just below and the potential solutions are under that. * It has its book disk on an internal USB. * It has its system disk on a 2.5inch SSD internally. o Using 1 of its 4, motherboard SATA 3 (Black) ports * It has 2 2.5 inch SDDs in raid for disk cache in the first 5.2inch bay, o they are connected to its Motherboard SAS (White) ports (running SATA3). There ports are not multiplexed -- that are endpoint SAS, ie SATA ports * It has piles of SATA 2 ports on the motherboard. Like 8 or so. These are Blue. * It has nothing in the bottom 5.2 inch bay, and it's fully accessible. o *We could stick some hard drives of any description here *(may be hard to get 2 x 3.5inches) o And use any of the free connectors (prob SATA3 -- of which we have 3 ) * It s 8 taken 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS multipliers, which we have connected to the two ports on its SAS card and we run SATA 3 through that. * It has 8 free 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS multipliers o due to the physical nature of the SAS multiplexer (all 4, multiplexer are on once card), we can probably not directly connect those to SATA cable*** (more or less, see below) That more or less summarizes what we're working with. Here's the potential angles of approach. /NOTE: No matter what we do, we need to add drives in pairs, for RAID 1+0, and we really would like at very least 2TB more space. Which requires at least 4TB of drives../ * The straightforward approach is to buy a new SAS card, allowing us to mount 8 2.5" more hard-drives in the existing bays. o This is what [BG3] suggested + [GOZ] likes this since it is good to have them before our exact model goes out of production o Issue with this is that there is not much range on 2.5inch disks, they are relatively expensive and small. + I guess the bet that was made when choosing the case, that 2.5 inch cards would be come the norm, did not pay off. + The only 2TB 2.5 inch disks are Toshiba laptop hard drives + Otherwise you are stuck with the 1TB WD-Reds, which is what is has in its taken bays. o According to [BG3] a SAS card + 8WD reds (1TB), was $1.3 grand. + Buying a SAS card alone is $200-$400 o This is much more expensive than the numbers from several years ago http://wiki.ucc.asn.au/MoneyMoneyMoney/NewStorage#Level_2:_Optional_extra.2C_add_a_SAS_card of $929 * *** The drives plug straight into the SAS multiplexer, *but there are holes in the SAS multiplexer plate* which you can just squeeze SATA and power through o [GOZ] believes, that mounted in the hotswap bays they will be too close to the end to fit the SATA plug in (after going through the holes in the SAS multiplexer plate). + Having examined it now, there is room to push the cards forward in the hotswap bays, and drill new mounting holes, and then we would have just enough space to to put in the SATA + Or we can just not push the hotswap bays all the way in. o Eitherway, *connecting these to SATA *would let us save on buying another SAS card * The other option would be to get the capacity to have 3.5 inch disks o One way would be to *move to a new case that has 3.5 inch bays *(Possibly one of the spares we have laying around) + This would mean replacing all our disks with 3.5 inch disk, or just leaving the 2.5in rattling around in the over large slots # This isn't such a big deal since 3.5 inch disks are cheap o The other, really Hacky way (that [*OX] likes) is to *Mount another case on top of this case* + This would involve cutting a hole in the top of the existing case, and the bottom of the one we put in top # Could basically remove the bottom of the top one and the top of the bottom and bolt/weld them together. For a huge 5RU-7RU case. + This would make deracking molmol pretty shit + It would however let us have hotswap both 3.5 and 2.5 disks o Either way This is compatible with either using the spare SATA ports on the MB, or with buying another SAS card. o Potentially, but not necessarily may require buying a SAS multiplexer So wheel members/committee members, how would you approach this situation? Bear in mind the club is stingy (committee doesn't really want to pay $1300 for 4TB of extra space) [*OX] / [CHS] Wheel Members -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/committee/attachments/20160805/4b4bc031/attachment-0001.htm From mjpomery at ucc.asn.au Fri Aug 5 18:32:51 2016 From: mjpomery at ucc.asn.au (Mitchell Pomery) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:32:51 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] More space on Molmol In-Reply-To: <8b81bec7-3a02-42ec-48b4-67e65e078dbf@ucc.asn.au> References: <8b81bec7-3a02-42ec-48b4-67e65e078dbf@ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: The SAS Card currently in the machine is a LSI HBA 9207-8i which we paid $315ex for back when we built the machine. You can find them now on eBay for the lowl low price of $155 from China. Alternatively we could go back to DigiCor and get it through them again. The 5.25" Bay currently in the machine holds a couple the non storage drives in the machine. My plan has been to neaten that up with one of these: http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Hard_Drives_&_SSDs/Enclosures/47295-MRK-425ST-BK?gclid=Cj0KEQjw8pC9BRCqrq37zZil4a0BEiQAZO_zrF7SRs1uMZSQ__s9fWf9ucJHpV4p1u13krscls7gOjgaAnGC8P8HAQ As for the argument that SAS has gotten more expensive, the numbers from years ago are for 6 disks not 8. Taking that into account the price hasn't really changed. > - Having examined it now, there is room to push the cards forward in the > hotswap bays, and drill new mounting holes, and then we would have just > enough space to to put in the SATA > - Or we can just not push the hotswap bays all the way in. Both of these ideas scare me. You're butchering a perfectly good machine to try and make it do something it's not designed for. I would like to see a lot of thought go into this plan before anyone even considers attempting it. > - The other, really Hacky way (that [*OX] likes) is to Mount another > case on top of this case You said hacky. Why do we still do hacky... If by this you mean build a second storage server and move some stuff to it (website, services, the 300ish GB of webcam archives from the past two years) then I approve! > - This would involve cutting a hole in the top of the existing case, > and the bottom of the one we put in top Oh. That sounds as bad as the previous suggestion. Again, if you really want to do this, I would like to hear exactly what your plan is and it shouldn't be "we'll wing it", cause that's not a plan. Regards, Mitch P.S. I've already had to move heaven and earth to get MolMol running. Please don't make me have to do it again. P.P.S. Fundraising's always an option. And I'm sure there are people who would be willing to put money in to make sure that we have some "service continuity". On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Frames wrote: > Ok, here is the deal with Molmol. We're running out space.? The situation is just below and the potential > solutions are under that. > * It has its book disk on an internal USB. > * It has its system disk on a 2.5inch SSD internally. > + Using 1 of its 4, motherboard SATA 3 (Black) ports > * It has 2 2.5 inch SDDs in raid for disk cache in the first 5.2inch bay, > + they are connected to its Motherboard SAS (White) ports (running SATA3). There ports are not multiplexed > -- that are endpoint SAS, ie SATA ports > * It has piles of SATA 2 ports on the motherboard. Like 8 or so. These are Blue. > * It has nothing in the bottom 5.2 inch bay, and it's fully accessible. > + We could stick some hard drives of any description here (may be hard to get 2 x 3.5inches) > + And use any of the free connectors (prob SATA3 -- of which we have 3 ) > * It s 8 taken 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS multipliers, which we have connected to > the two ports on its SAS card and we run SATA 3 through that. > * It has 8 free 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS multipliers > + due to the physical nature of the SAS multiplexer (all 4, multiplexer are on once card), we can probably > not directly connect those to SATA cable*** (more or less, see below) > That more or less summarizes what we're working with. Here's the potential angles of approach. > NOTE: No matter what we do, we need to add drives in pairs, for RAID 1+0, and we really would like at very least > 2TB more space. Which requires at least 4TB of drives.. > > * The straightforward approach is to buy a new SAS card, allowing us to mount 8 2.5" more hard-drives in the > existing bays. > * This is what [BG3] suggested > + [GOZ] likes this since it is good to have them before our exact model? goes out of production > * Issue with this is that there is not much range on 2.5inch disks, they are relatively expensive and small. > + I guess the bet that was made when choosing the case, that 2.5 inch cards would be come the norm, did not > pay off. > + The only 2TB 2.5 inch disks are Toshiba laptop hard drives > + Otherwise you are stuck with the 1TB WD-Reds, which is what is has in its taken bays. > * According to [BG3] a SAS card + 8WD reds (1TB), was $1.3 grand. > + Buying a SAS card alone is $200-$400 > * This is much more expensive than the numbers from several years ago > http://wiki.ucc.asn.au/MoneyMoneyMoney/NewStorage#Level_2:_Optional_extra.2C_add_a_SAS_card > of $929 > * *** The drives plug straight into the SAS multiplexer, but there are holes in the SAS multiplexer plate which > you can just squeeze SATA and power through > + [GOZ] believes, that mounted in the hotswap bays they will be too close to the end to fit the SATA plug > in (after going through the holes in the SAS multiplexer plate). > o Having examined it now, there is room to push the cards forward in the hotswap bays, and drill new > mounting holes, and then we would have just enough space to to put in the SATA > o Or we can just not push the hotswap bays all the way in. > + Eitherway, connecting these to SATA would let us save on buying another SAS card > * The other option would be to get the capacity to have 3.5 inch disks > + One way would be to move to a new case that has 3.5 inch bays (Possibly one of the spares we have laying > around) > o This would mean replacing all our disks with 3.5 inch disk, or just leaving the 2.5in rattling around > in the over large slots > o This isn't such a big deal since 3.5 inch disks are cheap > + The other, really Hacky way (that [*OX] likes) is to Mount another case on top of this case > o This would involve cutting a hole in the top of the existing case, and the bottom of the one we put > in top > o Could basically remove the bottom of the top one and the top of the bottom and bolt/weld them > together. For a huge 5RU-7RU case. > o This would make deracking molmol pretty shit > o It would however let us have hotswap both 3.5 and 2.5 disks > + Either way This is compatible with either using the spare SATA ports on the MB, or with buying another > SAS card.? > + Potentially, but not necessarily may require buying a SAS multiplexer > So wheel members/committee members, how would you approach this situation? Bear in mind the club is stingy > (committee doesn't really want to pay $1300 for 4TB of extra space) > > [*OX] / [CHS] > Wheel Members > From matt at ucc.asn.au Sat Aug 6 09:43:52 2016 From: matt at ucc.asn.au (Matt Johnston) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 09:43:52 +0800 Subject: [committee] More space on Molmol In-Reply-To: References: <8b81bec7-3a02-42ec-48b4-67e65e078dbf@ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <20160806014352.GL23300@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Why can't we just run some long sata cables out to http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Hard_Drives_&_SSDs/Enclosures/63052-MRK-M3505T externally? 2.5" drives have always seemed silly - UCC has relatively copious space, we're not paying per-RU colo prices. A couple of 4TB 3.5" sata drives should be fine for current expansion and further drives are easy to add. Matt On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 06:32:51PM +0800, Mitchell Pomery wrote: > > The SAS Card currently in the machine is a LSI HBA 9207-8i which we paid > $315ex for back when we built the machine. You can find them now on eBay for > the lowl low price of $155 from China. Alternatively we could go back to > DigiCor and get it through them again. > > The 5.25" Bay currently in the machine holds a couple the non storage drives > in the machine. My plan has been to neaten that up with one of these: http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Hard_Drives_&_SSDs/Enclosures/47295-MRK-425ST-BK?gclid=Cj0KEQjw8pC9BRCqrq37zZil4a0BEiQAZO_zrF7SRs1uMZSQ__s9fWf9ucJHpV4p1u13krscls7gOjgaAnGC8P8HAQ > > As for the argument that SAS has gotten more expensive, the numbers from > years ago are for 6 disks not 8. Taking that into account the price hasn't > really changed. > > >- Having examined it now, there is room to push the cards forward in the > >hotswap bays, and drill new mounting holes, and then we would have just > >enough space to to put in the SATA > >- Or we can just not push the hotswap bays all the way in. > > Both of these ideas scare me. You're butchering a perfectly good machine to > try and make it do something it's not designed for. I would like to see a > lot of thought go into this plan before anyone even considers attempting it. > > >- The other, really Hacky way (that [*OX] likes) is to Mount another case > >on top of this case > > You said hacky. Why do we still do hacky... > > If by this you mean build a second storage server and move some stuff to it > (website, services, the 300ish GB of webcam archives from the past two > years) then I approve! > > > - This would involve cutting a hole in the top of the existing case, > > and the bottom of the one we put in top > > Oh. That sounds as bad as the previous suggestion. Again, if you really want > to do this, I would like to hear exactly what your plan is and it shouldn't > be "we'll wing it", cause that's not a plan. > > > Regards, > Mitch > > P.S. I've already had to move heaven and earth to get MolMol running. Please > don't make me have to do it again. > > P.P.S. Fundraising's always an option. And I'm sure there are people who > would be willing to put money in to make sure that we have some "service > continuity". > > > On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Frames wrote: > > >Ok, here is the deal with Molmol. We're running out space.? The situation is just below and the potential > >solutions are under that. > > * It has its book disk on an internal USB. > > * It has its system disk on a 2.5inch SSD internally. > > + Using 1 of its 4, motherboard SATA 3 (Black) ports > > * It has 2 2.5 inch SDDs in raid for disk cache in the first 5.2inch bay, > > + they are connected to its Motherboard SAS (White) ports (running SATA3). There ports are not multiplexed > > -- that are endpoint SAS, ie SATA ports > > * It has piles of SATA 2 ports on the motherboard. Like 8 or so. These are Blue. > > * It has nothing in the bottom 5.2 inch bay, and it's fully accessible. > > + We could stick some hard drives of any description here (may be hard to get 2 x 3.5inches) > > + And use any of the free connectors (prob SATA3 -- of which we have 3 ) > > * It s 8 taken 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS multipliers, which we have connected to > > the two ports on its SAS card and we run SATA 3 through that. > > * It has 8 free 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS multipliers > > + due to the physical nature of the SAS multiplexer (all 4, multiplexer are on once card), we can probably > > not directly connect those to SATA cable*** (more or less, see below) > >That more or less summarizes what we're working with. Here's the potential angles of approach. > >NOTE: No matter what we do, we need to add drives in pairs, for RAID 1+0, and we really would like at very least > >2TB more space. Which requires at least 4TB of drives.. > > > > * The straightforward approach is to buy a new SAS card, allowing us to mount 8 2.5" more hard-drives in the > > existing bays. > > * This is what [BG3] suggested > > + [GOZ] likes this since it is good to have them before our exact model? goes out of production > > * Issue with this is that there is not much range on 2.5inch disks, they are relatively expensive and small. > > + I guess the bet that was made when choosing the case, that 2.5 inch cards would be come the norm, did not > > pay off. > > + The only 2TB 2.5 inch disks are Toshiba laptop hard drives > > + Otherwise you are stuck with the 1TB WD-Reds, which is what is has in its taken bays. > > * According to [BG3] a SAS card + 8WD reds (1TB), was $1.3 grand. > > + Buying a SAS card alone is $200-$400 > > * This is much more expensive than the numbers from several years ago > > http://wiki.ucc.asn.au/MoneyMoneyMoney/NewStorage#Level_2:_Optional_extra.2C_add_a_SAS_card > > of $929 > > * *** The drives plug straight into the SAS multiplexer, but there are holes in the SAS multiplexer plate which > > you can just squeeze SATA and power through > > + [GOZ] believes, that mounted in the hotswap bays they will be too close to the end to fit the SATA plug > > in (after going through the holes in the SAS multiplexer plate). > > o Having examined it now, there is room to push the cards forward in the hotswap bays, and drill new > > mounting holes, and then we would have just enough space to to put in the SATA > > o Or we can just not push the hotswap bays all the way in. > > + Eitherway, connecting these to SATA would let us save on buying another SAS card > > * The other option would be to get the capacity to have 3.5 inch disks > > + One way would be to move to a new case that has 3.5 inch bays (Possibly one of the spares we have laying > > around) > > o This would mean replacing all our disks with 3.5 inch disk, or just leaving the 2.5in rattling around > > in the over large slots > > o This isn't such a big deal since 3.5 inch disks are cheap > > + The other, really Hacky way (that [*OX] likes) is to Mount another case on top of this case > > o This would involve cutting a hole in the top of the existing case, and the bottom of the one we put > > in top > > o Could basically remove the bottom of the top one and the top of the bottom and bolt/weld them > > together. For a huge 5RU-7RU case. > > o This would make deracking molmol pretty shit > > o It would however let us have hotswap both 3.5 and 2.5 disks > > + Either way This is compatible with either using the spare SATA ports on the MB, or with buying another > > SAS card.? > > + Potentially, but not necessarily may require buying a SAS multiplexer > >So wheel members/committee members, how would you approach this situation? Bear in mind the club is stingy > >(committee doesn't really want to pay $1300 for 4TB of extra space) > > > >[*OX] / [CHS] > >Wheel Members > > > _______________________________________________ > List Archives: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/committee From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 6 17:02:25 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:02:25 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 3 Day Warning Message-ID: <20160806090225.0E50D2003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held on Wednesday, 10 August 2016 at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- Be different: conform. From blargzap at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 6 17:45:42 2016 From: blargzap at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Cain Nixey) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:45:42 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Mice Message-ID: Hey Hey UCCaneers, So committee has decided to not buy the SteelSeries Kana mice. Opinions on: = Logitech G402 (Hyperion Fury) + These are the mice we already have - These are the mice we already have - Not ambidextrous + Affordable ($49 from MSY) - Complaints about on-the-fly sensitivity change buttons - 4000 max dpi = Gigabyte XM300 + These are different mice - These are different mice = (Semi)-Ambidextrous + Affordable ($49 from MSY) = Thermaltake TteSports Ventus X Black + Hand grill + This is seriously cool - Expensive ($59 from MSY) + These are different mice - These are different mice = (Semi)-Ambidextrous = Ritmo USB consumer mouse + WOW + SO CHEAP + $2 (From MSY) = Microsoft Basic Optical mouse + They work + They cheap ($13 from MSY) + Ambidextrous Regards, BlargZap Secretary 2k16 From ryan_hall1234 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 7 16:30:53 2016 From: ryan_hall1234 at hotmail.com (ryan hall) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:30:53 +0000 Subject: [committee] =?utf-8?q?=5Btech=5D_Mice?= Message-ID: My personal recommendation would be the Gigabyte XM300?s. Their style is a lot more universal, and doesn?t force members to use one particular type of grip. Along with being much more friendly to ambidextrous. The Logitech?s, while decent mice, feel like they?re loaded with too many buttons. Keeping in mind that both sensitivity and mouse bindings aren?t saved between profiles, so none of our members actually used half of the features. The Ventus is high up there as well, seems about as good or better than the Gigabyte?s. The hand-grill is a really useful feature for those of us that suffer from sweaty-palms when gaming, my main concern being the sheer amount of gunk that would accumulate in them. (our keyboards are a good example) Personally, not a fan of suuuper cheap mice, the club isn?t exactly known for being gentle with it?s equipment, and something made for basic web browsing is probably just going to bring complaints. That?s my 2c at least. Cheers, Hantale, [HTL] From: Cain Nixey Sent: ?Saturday?, ?August? ?6?, ?2016 ?7?:?08? ?PM To: tech at ucc.asn.au, committee at ucc.asn.au Hey Hey UCCaneers, So committee has decided to not buy the SteelSeries Kana mice. Opinions on: = Logitech G402 (Hyperion Fury) + These are the mice we already have - These are the mice we already have - Not ambidextrous + Affordable ($49 from MSY) - Complaints about on-the-fly sensitivity change buttons - 4000 max dpi = Gigabyte XM300 + These are different mice - These are different mice = (Semi)-Ambidextrous + Affordable ($49 from MSY) = Thermaltake TteSports Ventus X Black + Hand grill + This is seriously cool - Expensive ($59 from MSY) + These are different mice - These are different mice = (Semi)-Ambidextrous = Ritmo USB consumer mouse + WOW + SO CHEAP + $2 (From MSY) = Microsoft Basic Optical mouse + They work + They cheap ($13 from MSY) + Ambidextrous Regards, BlargZap Secretary 2k16 _______________________________________________ List Archives: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech Unsubscribe here: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/options/tech/hantale%40ucc.asn.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/committee/attachments/20160807/9577a0a5/attachment-0001.htm From james at cox.cx Sun Aug 7 17:22:38 2016 From: james at cox.cx (James Cox) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 17:22:38 +0800 Subject: [committee] [tech] Mice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As far as cheap mouses go; I like these Dells for being cheap (due to ubiquity), well made, and reasonably featureful (dpi on the fly, 6 butans, laser sensor.) http://www.newegg.com/global/au/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826675030&ignorebbr=1 $12 each ex GST, $10 shipping for one and $12 shipping for 2 or more. (All prices in AUD) [RME]~Coxy On 7 August 2016 at 16:30, ryan hall wrote: > My personal recommendation would be the Gigabyte XM300?s. > Their style is a lot more universal, and doesn?t force members to use one > particular type of grip. Along with being much more friendly to > ambidextrous. > The Logitech?s, while decent mice, feel like they?re loaded with too many > buttons. Keeping in mind that both sensitivity and mouse bindings aren?t > saved between profiles, so none of our members actually used half of the > features. > > The Ventus is high up there as well, seems about as good or better than > the Gigabyte?s. The hand-grill is a really useful feature for those of us > that suffer from sweaty-palms when gaming, my main concern being the sheer > amount of gunk that would accumulate in them. (our keyboards are a good > example) > > Personally, not a fan of suuuper cheap mice, the club isn?t exactly known > for being gentle with it?s equipment, and something made for basic web > browsing is probably just going to bring complaints. That?s my 2c at least. > > Cheers, > Hantale, [HTL] > > *From:* Cain Nixey > *Sent:* ?Saturday?, ?August? ?6?, ?2016 ?7?:?08? ?PM > *To:* tech at ucc.asn.au, committee at ucc.asn.au > > Hey Hey UCCaneers, > > So committee has decided to not buy the SteelSeries Kana mice. > > Opinions on: > > = Logitech G402 (Hyperion Fury) > + These are the mice we already have > - These are the mice we already have > - Not ambidextrous > + Affordable ($49 from MSY) > - Complaints about on-the-fly sensitivity change buttons > - 4000 max dpi > > = Gigabyte XM300 > + These are different mice > - These are different mice > = (Semi)-Ambidextrous > + Affordable ($49 from MSY) > > = Thermaltake TteSports Ventus X Black > + Hand grill > + This is seriously cool > - Expensive ($59 from MSY) > + These are different mice > - These are different mice > = (Semi)-Ambidextrous > > = Ritmo USB consumer mouse > + WOW > + SO CHEAP > + $2 (From MSY) > > = Microsoft Basic Optical mouse > + They work > + They cheap ($13 from MSY) > + Ambidextrous > > Regards, > > BlargZap > Secretary 2k16 > _______________________________________________ > List Archives: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech > > Unsubscribe here: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/options/tech/ > hantale%40ucc.asn.au > > _______________________________________________ > List Archives: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech > > Unsubscribe here: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu. > au/mailman/options/tech/james%40cox.cx > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, David Adam wrote: > Is anyone opposed to me removing the HWC list? > > hwc@ goes to all members of hardware (now tech@), wheel@ and committee. > > All of these lists get minimal use. > > HWC isn't archived anywhere and it is not obvious what its purpose is for > any more. hwc@ will now bounce. [DAA] From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 9 21:13:48 2016 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 21:13:48 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] [tech] More space on Molmol In-Reply-To: <8b81bec7-3a02-42ec-48b4-67e65e078dbf@ucc.asn.au> References: <8b81bec7-3a02-42ec-48b4-67e65e078dbf@ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Frames wrote: > Ok, here is the deal with Molmol. We're running out space. The situation is > just below and the potential solutions are under that. > > * It has its book disk on an internal USB. > * It has its system disk on a 2.5inch SSD internally. > o Using 1 of its 4, motherboard SATA 3 (Black) ports > * It has 2 2.5 inch SDDs in raid for disk cache in the first 5.2inch bay, > o they are connected to its Motherboard SAS (White) ports (running > SATA3). There ports are not multiplexed -- that are endpoint > SAS, ie SATA ports FYI, this is not quite right. The pair of SSDs are partitioned into: * the bootloader (ada0p1 / ada1p1), * the root filesystem (ada0p2 / ada1p2 as a GEOM mirror) * the main drive array's SLOG devices (ada0p3 / ada1p3 as a ZFS mirror) * swap (ada0p4) The other SSD is the L2ARC (ZFS cache) device. This came out of another machine and if it dies we can shrug and replace it. The internal USB is someone's USB stick. I used it to update the firmware at some stage; it is not used in the boot process. > * It has piles of SATA 2 ports on the motherboard. Like 8 or so. These > are Blue. > * It has nothing in the bottom 5.2 inch bay, and it's fully accessible. > o *We could stick some hard drives of any description here *(may > be hard to get 2 x 3.5inches) > o And use any of the free connectors (prob SATA3 -- of which we > have 3 ) > * It s 8 taken 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS > multipliers, which we have connected to the two ports on its SAS > card and we run SATA 3 through that. > * It has 8 free 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS > multipliers > o due to the physical nature of the SAS multiplexer (all 4, > multiplexer are on once card), we can probably not directly > connect those to SATA cable*** (more or less, see below) > > That more or less summarizes what we're working with. Here's the potential > angles of approach. > /NOTE: No matter what we do, we need to add drives in pairs, for RAID 1+0, and > we really would like at very least 2TB more space. Which requires at least 4TB > of drives../ The other possibility is that we move or remove the webcam archives. Don't we have lots of big fileserving hardware that isn't being used? Can we get some of that back in service? Alternatively, I vaguely thought about running the whole archive through that flash new lossless JPEG algorithm[1] and then teaching the webserver how to decode it. [1]: https://blogs.dropbox.com/tech/2016/07/lepton-image-compression-saving-22-losslessly-from-images-at-15mbs/ David Adam zanchey@ From mjpomery at ucc.asn.au Tue Aug 9 21:29:38 2016 From: mjpomery at ucc.asn.au (Mitchell Pomery) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 21:29:38 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Coke@ Must Die! Message-ID: On the topic of removing mailing lists: If no one is opposed to me removing the coke distribution list (and references to it on the website if they still exist), I'll do it next Friday. No one has emailed the address accidentally this year that I can see, but it does act as a really good spam collector if anyone wants some spam to look at. Mitch On Tue, 9 Aug 2016, David Adam wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, David Adam wrote: >> Is anyone opposed to me removing the HWC list? >> >> hwc@ goes to all members of hardware (now tech@), wheel@ and committee. >> >> All of these lists get minimal use. >> >> HWC isn't archived anywhere and it is not obvious what its purpose is for >> any more. > > hwc@ will now bounce. > > [DAA] > From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 10 10:00:00 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:00:00 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 6 Hour Warning Message-ID: <20160810020000.55F252003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held Today at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- Beware of low-flying butterflies. From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 10 15:00:01 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:00:01 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 60 Minute Warning Message-ID: <20160810070001.67EC52003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held Today at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- Q: What is the difference between a duck? A: One leg is both the same. From oxinabox at ucc.asn.au Thu Aug 11 09:17:49 2016 From: oxinabox at ucc.asn.au (Frames) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:17:49 +0800 Subject: [committee] [tech] More space on Molmol In-Reply-To: References: <8b81bec7-3a02-42ec-48b4-67e65e078dbf@ucc.asn.au> Message-ID: <8973fa4f-2649-1398-6970-712db2f27a31@ucc.asn.au> Thanks Zanchey I got pretty close. Spinning up a netapp for the webcam archieve is certainly a nonaweful idea. And that could hold us by until someone gets up the guts to try a distributed storage solution. Or 2.5inch drives show up. Gozz was suggesting we could be storing the webcams as a compressed video format, which should work well, as a lot of the frames are very similar. That (and other things) could be experimented with, when the webcams are on other storage. [*OX] On 9/08/2016 9:13 PM, David Adam wrote: > On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Frames wrote: >> Ok, here is the deal with Molmol. We're running out space. The situation is >> just below and the potential solutions are under that. >> >> * It has its book disk on an internal USB. >> * It has its system disk on a 2.5inch SSD internally. >> o Using 1 of its 4, motherboard SATA 3 (Black) ports >> * It has 2 2.5 inch SDDs in raid for disk cache in the first 5.2inch bay, >> o they are connected to its Motherboard SAS (White) ports (running >> SATA3). There ports are not multiplexed -- that are endpoint >> SAS, ie SATA ports > FYI, this is not quite right. > > The pair of SSDs are partitioned into: > * the bootloader (ada0p1 / ada1p1), > * the root filesystem (ada0p2 / ada1p2 as a GEOM mirror) > * the main drive array's SLOG devices (ada0p3 / ada1p3 as a ZFS mirror) > * swap (ada0p4) > > The other SSD is the L2ARC (ZFS cache) device. This came out of another > machine and if it dies we can shrug and replace it. > > The internal USB is someone's USB stick. I used it to update the firmware > at some stage; it is not used in the boot process. > >> * It has piles of SATA 2 ports on the motherboard. Like 8 or so. These >> are Blue. >> * It has nothing in the bottom 5.2 inch bay, and it's fully accessible. >> o *We could stick some hard drives of any description here *(may >> be hard to get 2 x 3.5inches) >> o And use any of the free connectors (prob SATA3 -- of which we >> have 3 ) >> * It s 8 taken 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS >> multipliers, which we have connected to the two ports on its SAS >> card and we run SATA 3 through that. >> * It has 8 free 2.5 inch bays (hotswappable), which match to 2 4x SAS >> multipliers >> o due to the physical nature of the SAS multiplexer (all 4, >> multiplexer are on once card), we can probably not directly >> connect those to SATA cable*** (more or less, see below) >> >> That more or less summarizes what we're working with. Here's the potential >> angles of approach. >> /NOTE: No matter what we do, we need to add drives in pairs, for RAID 1+0, and >> we really would like at very least 2TB more space. Which requires at least 4TB >> of drives../ > > > The other possibility is that we move or remove the webcam archives. Don't > we have lots of big fileserving hardware that isn't being used? Can we get > some of that back in service? > > Alternatively, I vaguely thought about running the whole archive through > that flash new lossless JPEG algorithm[1] and then teaching the webserver > how to decode it. > > [1]: https://blogs.dropbox.com/tech/2016/07/lepton-image-compression-saving-22-losslessly-from-images-at-15mbs/ > > David Adam > zanchey@ From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 13 16:00:01 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:00:01 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 4 Day Warning Message-ID: <20160813080001.9F4BE2003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held on Wednesday, 17 August 2016 at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- If you sow your wild oats, hope for a crop failure. From mtearle at ucc.asn.au Tue Aug 9 22:33:17 2016 From: mtearle at ucc.asn.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 15:33:17 +0100 Subject: [committee] Coke@ Must Die! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1470753197.1064139.690315697.0F7EDE25@webmail.messagingengine.com> But how will people send hilarious emails to the coke machine? Why not set up an autoresponder that responds with a copy of the contents of the machine. Mark -- Mark Tearle On Tue, Aug 9, 2016, at 02:29 PM, Mitchell Pomery wrote: > On the topic of removing mailing lists: > > If no one is opposed to me removing the coke distribution list (and > references to it on the website if they still exist), I'll do it next > Friday. > > No one has emailed the address accidentally this year that I can see, but > it does act as a really good spam collector if anyone wants some spam to > look at. > > Mitch > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2016, David Adam wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, David Adam wrote: > >> Is anyone opposed to me removing the HWC list? > >> > >> hwc@ goes to all members of hardware (now tech@), wheel@ and committee. > >> > >> All of these lists get minimal use. > >> > >> HWC isn't archived anywhere and it is not obvious what its purpose is for > >> any more. > > > > hwc@ will now bounce. > > > > [DAA] > > > _______________________________________________ > List Archives: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/committee From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 16 16:00:02 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:00:02 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 24 Hour Warning Message-ID: <20160816080002.1BC7E2003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held on Wednesday, 17 August 2016 at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- Your step will soil many countries. From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 17 10:00:01 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:00:01 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 6 Hour Warning Message-ID: <20160817020001.E3B782003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held Today at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- You will be imprisoned for contributing your time and skill to a bank robbery. From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 17 15:00:01 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:00:01 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 60 Minute Warning Message-ID: <20160817070001.DA8EF2003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held Today at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- There will be big changes for you but you will be happy. From delan at azabani.com Wed Aug 17 20:30:38 2016 From: delan at azabani.com (Delan Azabani) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:30:38 +0800 Subject: [committee] arctic.uniirc.com Message-ID: Hi there, committees of CASSA, MITS, and UCC, I?m writing to you because your clubs are the founding (and as far as I can tell, the only) members of UniIRC. Despite our sporadic efforts, we haven?t yet acquired any clubs from outside WA, let alone achieved world domination (of IRC services in university computing societies). arctic.uniirc.com is the heart of the UniIRC network ? while end users are intentionally forbidden from connecting to it directly, every last message that we send needs to cross it to reach the rest of us. After my free year of AWS ran out, ComSSA has paid for arctic for the last seventeen months, so I?d like to set up some kind of arrangement to share the future costs between our clubs. Before I dive into the details ? TL;DR: send me $50 each and we?re good for three years. To give you an idea of our previous costs, last month?s bill for my AWS account ? which has only ever been used for arctic ? was for a total of 22.85 AUD, which roughly consists of: 14.88 USD for 744 hours of t1.micro ?on demand? + 0.68 USD for 8 GB of storage and half a million I/O requests + 0.05 USD in data transfer charges ? 1.10 GST ? 1.33 AUD/USD ?But wait!? you might ask. ?If we split arctic four ways, $50 each is only $200, but arctic would cost over $740, even if every month was magically shortened to 28 days and the exchange rate never changed!? Reserved instances! EC2 instances are ?on demand? by default, but if we commit to keeping arctic for the next three years, we?ll save 45% on the main hourly rate (0.011 USD/h versus 0.02 USD/h). There are other options available, like a one year commitment, or the ability to pay for less than 100% of the reservation upfront, but of course, the savings will decrease with those options. Migrating arctic to a reserved instance means that we?ll need to shut it down, take an image of it, destroy the instance, then create a new instance with that image, but we have an Elastic IP address, so the IP address will *not* need to change. As a result, we have an opportunity to change arctic from a t1.micro (an obsolescent instance type) to a t2.micro (same price, but faster, and ~40% more RAM) or a t2.nano (same as a t2.micro, but half the price, and ~10% less RAM than a t1.micro). That said, if we migrate from a t1.micro to a t2.nano, we?ll lose two things: about 10% of our RAM, and (like any T2 instance) the ability to attach storage to our instance. Neither of those are even remotely useful for arctic though ? it?s just an IRC server. I propose that we reserve a t2.nano instance for arctic, for the next three years, and pay for it upfront. That?s 159.50 USD after GST, or about 212.13 AUD with a 1.33 AUD/USD exchange rate. While it doesn?t include charges for storage, I/O, data transfer, and so on, I?m happy to eat the costs for those as long as they stay under 2 AUD a month. If you?re all happy with my proposal, and we all agree on it, then it would be ideal if you could send the dough my way by Tuesday evening, so that we can start the migration process on Wednesday morning. A maintenance window of an hour or two should be long enough, and I?ll be sure to send out warning notices at appropriate times. Feel free to send me your questions, complaints, and/or suggestions! Cheers, Delan Azabani President ComSSA From oxinabox at ucc.asn.au Wed Aug 17 21:12:51 2016 From: oxinabox at ucc.asn.au (Frames) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:12:51 +0800 Subject: [committee] arctic.uniirc.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not on committee so I'll make no comment. But I don't see the reason to do this (But on the other hand it is only $50). Like rather than paying $50, we can just spin arctic.uniirc.com up as a VM on our hardware -- or not. IRC servers are easy to link, it is a line in the config of each of the servers. Almost all UCCans on UniIRC do it via UCC's IRC server on mussel. The only reason this was started was become some individual (Nick Bannon?) felt it was worth doing. It was not a committee, nor a wheel decided action. UCC's been hosting our sever for ages longer than this, and for ages as part of this CASSA's server was linked to it. And we physically host ComSSA's server (PMS), so I doubt they would have any problem with us hosting the IRC. So I'm not seeing any need for AWS hosting. Sure it isn't much, but it ain't getting us anything. It is probably work keeping the uniirc domain name paid for though. But like committee can do what they want. [*OX] Wheel member On 17/08/2016 8:30 PM, Delan Azabani wrote: > Hi there, committees of CASSA, MITS, and UCC, > > I?m writing to you because your clubs are the founding (and as far as > I can tell, the only) members of UniIRC. Despite our sporadic efforts, > we haven?t yet acquired any clubs from outside WA, let alone achieved > world domination (of IRC services in university computing societies). > > arctic.uniirc.com is the heart of the UniIRC network ? while end users > are intentionally forbidden from connecting to it directly, every last > message that we send needs to cross it to reach the rest of us. > > After my free year of AWS ran out, ComSSA has paid for arctic for the > last seventeen months, so I?d like to set up some kind of arrangement > to share the future costs between our clubs. Before I dive into the > details ? TL;DR: send me $50 each and we?re good for three years. > > To give you an idea of our previous costs, last month?s bill for my > AWS account ? which has only ever been used for arctic ? was for a > total of 22.85 AUD, which roughly consists of: > > 14.88 USD for 744 hours of t1.micro ?on demand? > + 0.68 USD for 8 GB of storage and half a million I/O requests > + 0.05 USD in data transfer charges > ? 1.10 GST > ? 1.33 AUD/USD > > ?But wait!? you might ask. ?If we split arctic four ways, $50 each is > only $200, but arctic would cost over $740, even if every month was > magically shortened to 28 days and the exchange rate never changed!? > > Reserved instances! EC2 instances are ?on demand? by default, but if > we commit to keeping arctic for the next three years, we?ll save 45% > on the main hourly rate (0.011 USD/h versus 0.02 USD/h). > > There are other options available, like a one year commitment, or the > ability to pay for less than 100% of the reservation upfront, but of > course, the savings will decrease with those options. > > Migrating arctic to a reserved instance means that we?ll need to shut > it down, take an image of it, destroy the instance, then create a new > instance with that image, but we have an Elastic IP address, so the > IP address will *not* need to change. > > As a result, we have an opportunity to change arctic from a t1.micro > (an obsolescent instance type) to a t2.micro (same price, but faster, > and ~40% more RAM) or a t2.nano (same as a t2.micro, but half the > price, and ~10% less RAM than a t1.micro). > > That said, if we migrate from a t1.micro to a t2.nano, we?ll lose two > things: about 10% of our RAM, and (like any T2 instance) the ability > to attach storage to our instance. Neither of those are even remotely > useful for arctic though ? it?s just an IRC server. > > I propose that we reserve a t2.nano instance for arctic, for the next > three years, and pay for it upfront. That?s 159.50 USD after GST, or > about 212.13 AUD with a 1.33 AUD/USD exchange rate. While it doesn?t > include charges for storage, I/O, data transfer, and so on, I?m happy > to eat the costs for those as long as they stay under 2 AUD a month. > > If you?re all happy with my proposal, and we all agree on it, then it > would be ideal if you could send the dough my way by Tuesday evening, > so that we can start the migration process on Wednesday morning. > > A maintenance window of an hour or two should be long enough, and I?ll > be sure to send out warning notices at appropriate times. > > Feel free to send me your questions, complaints, and/or suggestions! > > Cheers, > Delan Azabani > President > ComSSA > _______________________________________________ > List Archives: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/committee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/committee/attachments/20160817/a01ae996/attachment-0001.htm From shaz1au at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Aug 19 11:25:06 2016 From: shaz1au at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Shahzad Siddiqui) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 11:25:06 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Door application Message-ID: 1.Why do you want to be on Door? To support my committee duties and provide myself with the ability to hold the room open when no one else is capable. 2. What difference will putting you on Door make? Help during events in the club or singing up members or simply holding the room open. 3. Where would you find the Door group policy? www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/door.ucc 4. Why do we have door members? To maintain a safe and secure clubroom, using their powers to open, close and clean the room whilst assisting fellow members and committee. 5. Who should you contact with questions/concerns about the policy? Committee 6. How does committee officially contact door members? door at ucc.asn.au which will go to their ucc email. 7. What is the vending machine code to unlock the door? 55 8. If someone is violent, refuses to leave, or otherwise poses a danger to people or property, you should contact UWA security. What is their number? Give both the emergency and non-emergency numbers. Emergency: 6488 2222 non-emergency: 6488 3020 9. Briefly describe how the door system works. "dispense" door using code 55 on the vending machine or using a terminal to dispense door. 10. If you are unable to unlock the door from the snack machine, how else should you open the door? both methods. a) Go to a terminal with dispense installed and use the code "dispense door". b)logging into the dispense web interface http://dispense.ucc.asn.au and clicking the door button. 11. Who has clubroom keys on their person and who is able to get the clubroom key out from the Guild Student Centre? The president of the club (Oscar) and the committee executives. 12. What needs to be done when closing the room? Make sure club is clean, all members and their property should be removed from the clubroom, lights and equipment off. Tool cuboard, machine room windows and clubroom door must be shut and locked. If cameron hall is empty the firedoor/fire-escape and main door must be closed. 13. What needs to be done when leaving cameron hall? Make sure clubroom is closed. Turn off all the lights, close fire escape door and main door. 14. If you are unable to correct an issue with something in the clubroom, who should you inform? Committee, door members or security depending the issue. 15. What is your current dispense account balance? 33 cents as of this time when being written. 16. What is the current balance account of zanchey? acct zanchey $4.10 17. Where is the dispense log kept? dispense logs found in /home/other/coke/cokelog 18. What was the first drink dispensed this year? Janurary 1, 17:20:21: was a "solo". 19. Name someone who is able to open the vending machine? Oscar Hermoso, Chris forbes and other door members. 20.How would you rename a slot 5 of the coke machine to vanilla coke? dispense slot coke:5 83 "vanilla coke" 21.How would you disable a slot 33 of the snack machine? dispense slot snack:33 0 "dead" 22. What is wrong with this command: dispense acct Zanchey +500 "money in safe bag 54"? The capitalisation of "Zanchey" should be "zanchey". :^) From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 20 16:00:00 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:00:00 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 4 Day Warning Message-ID: <20160820080001.054982003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held on Wednesday, 24 August 2016 at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- You'll be sorry... From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 23 16:00:00 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 16:00:00 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 24 Hour Warning Message-ID: <20160823080000.4F8692003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held on Wednesday, 24 August 2016 at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- Q: What's a WASP's idea of open-mindedness? A: Dating a Canadian. From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 24 10:00:00 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:00:00 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 6 Hour Warning Message-ID: <20160824020000.308712003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held Today at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #21 A: Dr. Livingston I. Presume. Q: What's Dr. Presume's full name? From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 24 15:00:01 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 15:00:01 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 60 Minute Warning Message-ID: <20160824070001.B7C772003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held Today at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- You could live a better life, if you had a better mind and a better body. From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Aug 27 16:00:00 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:00:00 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 4 Day Warning Message-ID: <20160827080000.685822003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held on Wednesday, 31 August 2016 at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- Tuesday After Lunch is the cosmic time of the week. From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Aug 30 16:00:00 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:00:00 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 24 Hour Warning Message-ID: <20160830080000.785432003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held on Wednesday, 31 August 2016 at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- Tomorrow will be cancelled due to lack of interest. From lilsoulja_boi at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 20:18:21 2016 From: lilsoulja_boi at hotmail.com (=?utf-8?B?wrvCuyDigKDigKAgSs+D0L3QuCDihKIg4oCg4oCgIMKrwqsgTmd1eWVu?=) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 22:48:21 +1030 Subject: [committee] Door Application for Johnn27 Message-ID: Open QuestionsWhy do you want to be on Door?Being on door is an achievement and a responsibility that one strives from the day they are born.Only the few are capable are able to achieve the title of Door. I myself, strive to achieve the standards set by the ancestors of the University Computer Club and become a living, breathing entity of the fire my ancestors have pass onto me. I believe i am capable of burning the fire and being the light that guides the club to greatness and beyond.What difference will putting you on Door make?Being a capable and active member with a reasonable head on my shoulder i can effectively gauge the situation and be able handle problems faced in the club room then others. Policy QuestionsWhere would you find the Door Group policy? https://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/door.ucc Why do we have door members? To maintain and manage the club room in the absence of committee members Who should you contact with questions/concerns about the policy?Members of the committee, if none are present during the clubroom committee at ucc.asn.au would ensure enquiry would be recieved by all committee members. How does committee officially contact Door members? Communication can be done via door at ucc.asn.auCan also use their individual UCC emails Practical Questions What is the vending machine code to unlock the door? Logging into the snack machine keypad interface and entering the item code 55 If someone is violent, refuses to leave, or otherwise poses a danger to people or property, you should call UWA Security. What is their number? Give both the emergency and non-emergency numbersEmergency: 6488 2222 Non-emergency: 6488 3020 Briefly describe how the door system works (describe how the above code actually unlocks the door).Snack machines talks merlo, which sends the code to a relay that unlocks the door. If you are unable to unlock the door from the snack machine, how else should you open the door? Give both methods.dispense door from the terminal outside. Logging into the dispense web interface http://dispense.ucc.asn.au and clicking the door buttonWho has clubroom keys on their person and who is able to get the clubroom key out from the Guild Student Centre?The President of the club has the key currently All of exec can obtain the keyWhat needs to be done when closing the clubroom?Any litter in the clubroom should be removed and binned All members and their property should be removed from the clubroom The lights and fan should be off The soldering iron should be off When closing the clubroom, the following things must be secured:The tool cupboard must be locked The machine room must be locked The windows must be closed The club room door must be shut and lockedWhat needs to be done when leaving Cameron Hall?If Cameron hall is empty the main door, the door at the top of the stairs, and the fire escape should be closed and locked If you are unable to correct an issue with something in the clubroom, who should you inform?committee at ucc.asn.au The President of the club The Vice Presidents of the club Dispense Questions What is your current dispense account balance? $9.66What is the current balance of the account zanchey?$4.10 Where is the dispense log kept?/home/other/coke/cokelog on the motsugo server What was the first drink dispensed this year?Solo by duckman Name someone who is able to open the vending machines.Oscar Hermoso How would you rename slot 5 of the coke machine to vanilla coke?dispense slot coke:5 89 "Vanilla coke" How would you disable slot 33 of the snack machine?dispense slot snack:33 0 "dead" What is wrong with this command: dispense acct Zanchey +500 "money in safe bag 54"? 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From committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Aug 31 15:00:00 2016 From: committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:00:00 +0800 (AWST) Subject: [committee] Committee Meeting - 60 Minute Warning Message-ID: <20160831070000.1BBF52003D@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> A Committee Meeting will be held Today at 16:00 unless otherwise stated. The meeting will be held in the UCC Clubroom. Committee's Fortune ------------------- Conscience doth make cowards of us all. -- Shakespeare