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On 28/05/2018 12:20 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gozzarda@ucc.asn.au">gozzarda@ucc.asn.au</a> wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:4185b0c276d6aab763f3ac3b8ee96a48@ucc.asn.au"><br>
Firstly, UCC Committee does not have the power to create policies
that last beyond their term. </blockquote>
<br>
Citation please.<br>
I've heard that claim thrown around a few times. I'm intensely
dubious of it.<br>
I assume SOC or the guild has passed a rule claiming such?<br>
If so I'ld like to see it, and have it linked in the collection of
rules on the infobase page.<br>
(I used to maintain that list fairly closely, but a lot broke with
the university and guild redid there websites)<br>
<br>
It would be worth checking if such a rule from Guild actually
trivially can be applied to us.<br>
Unlike say Unigames, we do not have a clause saying that "the rules
of the guild shall supersede our own".<br>
Further we do not even have an objective to remain affiliated
(unlike most guild clubs),<br>
though of course we want to do so.<br>
So if it is a SOC or Guild rule saying that your rules automatically
expire,<br>
we would likely have to actually pass a rule to bring it into
effect.<br>
And once we brought it into effect, each committee would have to
pass it again since it would itself expire.<br>
(unless we made a policy or a constitution change) .<br>
<br>
In general (without such rule from outside sources),<br>
I would assert that if the committee has the ability to make rules
at all, (lets say rules rather than Policy since that is section 25)<br>
that there is no reason a rule the committee made would terminate
with them.<br>
Committee should be arguing that they have the ability make
day-to-day rules under that Powers of the Club:<br>
<i>"13. The Club may do all things necessary or convenient for
carrying out its objects and purposes"</i><br>
<br>
In particular for Wheel and Door:<br>
"13.6 appoint agents to transact any business of the Club on its
behalf"<br>
Which of-course inherently has the club creating as rule that
defined what that business is,<br>
and how it is to be transacted.<br>
I believe that rule is covered by
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/groupguidelines.pdf">https://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/groupguidelines.pdf</a><br>
A relevant part of that document would be:<br>
<i>"Wheel members will inform users of computing matters which may
affect them - such as conditions of
acceptable use"<br>
</i>Which to me seem to be inline with telling someone that their
account would be locked if they have reinstalled the OS.<br>
<br>
<br>
As a complete aside, I have no problem with the committee changing
the rules so that <br>
the disciplining people, is outside the power of door or wheel.<br>
Seems reasonable to me; a lot of the account locking rules are kinda
outdated.<br>
They seem to be from a time (before my time) when we didn't door
people as much as just locked their accounts. (First recorded
dooring was in 2008, though I know it wasn't the first one ever,
since the phrase dooring was already a verb)<br>
<br>
But as a matter of procedure, the committee does actually have to
change the rules to change the rules.<br>
Or at very least update the documents to say that is is so.<br>
And they need to do so before issuing warnings to people for acting
inline with the rules as published.<br>
(Currently as worded, it is unclear as to if the warning was for
overtly aggressive, for being wrong, or for acting outside the
rules.<br>
The first is fine, the second is a problematic demand for
perfection, and the third is out of order.)<br>
<br>
<p>[*OX]<br>
Wheel Member<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/05/2018 12:20 PM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gozzarda@ucc.asn.au">gozzarda@ucc.asn.au</a> wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:4185b0c276d6aab763f3ac3b8ee96a48@ucc.asn.au">Hi wheel, <br>
<br>
Following the recent emails that have gone out to wheel@, I think
it is necessary to clarify current UCC policies that affect wheel
members. <br>
<br>
Firstly, UCC Committee does not have the power to create policies
that last beyond their term. The only way such a policy can be
created is by two-thirds majority vote of a General Meeting and
all such policies must be appended to the constitution. The
Account Locking Guidelines on the UCC site were last updated in
2009, have not been passed by this year's Committee, and hence are
not current policy. This is not made clear on the website, and
that is something we intend to fix shortly. The annual
reinstatement of club regulations has been an ongoing issue and
one we are working to solve by fixing our Committee handover
systems and protocols. We intend to write official regulations in
the near future. <br>
<br>
As it stands now, wheel members are club members with sysadmin
access. As systems administrators, we have the power to maintain
the operation and security of the club's machines. This does not
automatically give us the authority to discipline club members. If
you encounter a matter that is not an immediate security threat
that you feel requires disciplinary action, please contact
Committee with all relevant information. <br>
<br>
Thanks for volunteering your time to help keep the club running
and secure. Hopefully things will become more straightforward in
the near future. If you have any questions or concerns please
contact myself or the Committee. <br>
<br>
Kind Regards, <br>
Andrew "Gozz" Gozzard <br>
UCC President 2018 <br>
Wheel Member <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p><br>
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<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/05/2018 12:20 PM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gozzarda@ucc.asn.au">gozzarda@ucc.asn.au</a> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:4185b0c276d6aab763f3ac3b8ee96a48@ucc.asn.au">Hi wheel, <br>
<br>
Following the recent emails that have gone out to wheel@, I think
it is necessary to clarify current UCC policies that affect wheel
members. <br>
<br>
Firstly, UCC Committee does not have the power to create policies
that last beyond their term. The only way such a policy can be
created is by two-thirds majority vote of a General Meeting and
all such policies must be appended to the constitution. The
Account Locking Guidelines on the UCC site were last updated in
2009, have not been passed by this year's Committee, and hence are
not current policy. This is not made clear on the website, and
that is something we intend to fix shortly. The annual
reinstatement of club regulations has been an ongoing issue and
one we are working to solve by fixing our Committee handover
systems and protocols. We intend to write official regulations in
the near future. <br>
<br>
As it stands now, wheel members are club members with sysadmin
access. As systems administrators, we have the power to maintain
the operation and security of the club's machines. This does not
automatically give us the authority to discipline club members. If
you encounter a matter that is not an immediate security threat
that you feel requires disciplinary action, please contact
Committee with all relevant information. <br>
<br>
Thanks for volunteering your time to help keep the club running
and secure. Hopefully things will become more straightforward in
the near future. If you have any questions or concerns please
contact myself or the Committee. <br>
<br>
Kind Regards, <br>
Andrew "Gozz" Gozzard <br>
UCC President 2018 <br>
Wheel Member <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
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