<div dir="ltr">Hi to all,<br><br>This is obviously an important issue that has been
bubbling under the surface for weeks now. Firstly it is, in my opinion,
healthier to get it all out in the open.<br><br>I won't touch much on
what Grace and Dylan have stated, except to say that I agree with it,
and that I have never seen someone discriminated against in UCC based on
race, gender, sexuality, or anything else.<br><br>What I do want to
touch on is the idea that we promote a unwelcoming environment to, for
lack of a better term, minorities. I simply don't see that as the case. I
agree that UCC is, to a degree, cliquey. As are all of the other
Cameron Hall clubs. Any club that is in any way social is going to have
cliques. In small clubs, such as Cameron Hall clubs, people who don't
fit in to those cliques often find it easy to walk away. This decision
is no doubt helped by the multitude of guild affiliated clubs at UWA,
though that's another conversation. As for the nature of those
unisfa/unigames cliques, I will only offer a quote.<br><br>"The crunch
time for tolerance in this country will be when gays and lesbians can
openly admit they are Conservatives" - Philip Levy<br><br>The fact is
that there are cliques here, as everywhere. They're mostly groups of
people who like computers, and who get along. And if they can't get
along, they at least acknowledge that it's better to try. I find it hard
to believe any member of ours who would've gained value from the club,
and would have been a valuable contributor, would be driven away. When
people show genuine interest in learning about HOW the systems work, and
HOW they're set up, and HOW things are in the club, I have only seen
them welcomed.<br><br>At the end of the day, I feel that the loud voices
coming from outside of the club about how the club should change all
seem to be coming from people who have no desire to get involved in the
tech side of the club anyway, which is really the heart and soul of the
club. They all seem to want the club to change so that it runs in a way
which is something they like. Not because they want to participate and
actively help. People who want to get actively involved, and contribute,
tend to do so. As always with these sorts of discussions, it is
important to remember that we are completely run by volunteers, wheel
and committee alike.<br><br>UCC for the UCCans, and the UCCans for UCC.<br><br>Kind regards to all,<br>William Chesnutt<br>[JWB]<div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU"><div id="gmail-:1h9" class="gmail-ajR" tabindex="0"><img class="gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:17 PM William Chesnutt <<a href="mailto:justwilliambrown101@gmail.com">justwilliambrown101@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi to all,<br><br>This is obviously an important issue that has been bubbling under the surface for weeks now. Firstly it is, in my opinion, healthier to get it all out in the open.<br><br>I won't touch much on what Grace and Dylan have stated, except to say that I agree with it, and that I have never seen someone discriminated against in UCC based on race, gender, sexuality, or anything else.<br><br>What I do want to touch on is the idea that we promote a unwelcoming environment to, for lack of a better term, minorities. I simply don't see that as the case. I agree that UCC is, to a degree, cliquey. As are all of the other Cameron Hall clubs. Any club that is in any way social is going to have cliques. In small clubs, such as Cameron Hall clubs, people who don't fit in to those cliques often find it easy to walk away. This decision is no doubt helped by the multitude of guild affiliated clubs at UWA, though that's another conversation. As for the nature of those unisfa/unigames cliques, I will only offer a quote.<br><br>"The crunch time for tolerance in this country will be when gays and lesbians can openly admit they are Conservatives" - Philip Levy<br><br>The fact is that there are cliques here, as everywhere. They're mostly groups of people who like computers, and who get along. And if they can't get along, they at least acknowledge that it's better to try. I find it hard to believe any member of ours who would've gained value from the club, and would have been a valuable contributor, would be driven away. When people show genuine interest in learning about HOW the systems work, and HOW they're set up, and HOW things are in the club, I have only seen them welcomed.<br><br>At the end of the day, I feel that the loud voices coming from outside of the club about how the club should change all seem to be coming from people who have no desire to get involved in the tech side of the club anyway, which is really the heart and soul of the club. They all seem to want the club to change so that it runs in a way which is something they like. Not because they want to participate and actively help. People who want to get actively involved, and contribute, tend to do so. As always with these sorts of discussions, it is important to remember that we are completely run by volunteers, wheel and committee alike.<br><br>UCC for the UCCans, and the UCCans for UCC.<br><br>Kind regards to all,<br>William Chesnutt<br>[JWB]<br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:37 PM Susie Johnston <<a href="mailto:susie@ucc.asn.au" target="_blank">susie@ucc.asn.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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> On 26 Mar 2019, at 4:26 pm, Grace Rosario <<a href="mailto:20483992@student.uwa.edu.au" target="_blank">20483992@student.uwa.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> Since you seem to enjoy using anecdotes, I can give you an anecdote about how unpleasent UniSFA can be if you would like:<br>
> The second last time that I went into UniSFA (late 2018/early 2019), it was to tell someone to shut up because I could hear them yelling "oh fuck" at the top of their lungs, multiple times in the span of a few minutes, and I could hear them from the other side of the hall.<br>
> Most unisfans are lovely people, and most of the time their club is nice, but I uncomfortable with the actions of an individual in that club once.<br>
> <br>
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Unisfa has been much worse than UCC for me. From memory, I’ve only had one UCC member grope me while they were drunk at parties; whilst I’ve had numerous Unisfans grope me while sober in the middle of the club room...<br>
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Though that was due to specific ick individuals rather than the club itself.<br>
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Thinking back on my unisfa days, I used to tell a story about how lovely a guy was because when I was completely smashed he drove me home and helped me to my door and didn’t try anything. That *should* have been the norm. Not the exception. <br>
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