From yakk at yakk.net.au Mon Nov 1 10:33:58 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:51 2004 Subject: [tech] I wanna lend the UCC some stuff... In-Reply-To: <199910301757.BAA15822@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <199910301757.BAA15822@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991101103358.B17479@yakk.net.au> On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 01:57:20AM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > OK, in a fit of irrational altruism (and a realisation of the need for > storage space), I've decided to lend the UCC a machine for an extended > period. > > Please let me know what would be more useful to UCC: > > An R4400 Indigo2 with 256MB of RAM, or a Celeron 333A with 96MB. > > They occupy approximately the same space, and I can give the Celery SCSI > as/if required. > > I figure actually using an IRIX box as a user or sercices machine might > be a cool idea, to give wheel a bit more of a taste of IRIX, before > (a) they go out into the wide world and are forced to use it, or > (b) it gets killed and SGI goes all-Linux. > > I'll probably keep the monitor/kbd/mouse here and put them on the PC if > you guys decide the I2's more useful. > > Either of them could have 100Mb ethernet. The I2 with 100Mb would probably make a fscking brilliant NFS box - and probably user box at the same time. I personally really like IRIX, and if we were going to use an IRIX box as a core user box I would probably actually secure the thing. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Prefix: +61 8 | Fax/VoiceMail: 9265 0821 | Home: 9389 9162 | Work: 9380 3688 From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 2 23:25:45 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:54 2004 Subject: [tech] mod_ssl and mussel Message-ID: <19991102232545.A14008@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hiho all, I've been playing with mod_ssl and Apache at home. I've now got my system going with a secure server and it all seems to work perfectly. Are there any issues with me installing mod_ssl and the latest version of Apache on mussel and then running our mail program on the secure server? Apparently people that use TWIG are having their mail cached in proxy servers. Thanks, -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From root at vyxn.net Wed Nov 3 10:07:36 1999 From: root at vyxn.net (Balmik Soin) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:56 2004 Subject: [tech] mussel + socks Message-ID: hey ppls any chance of getting mussel properly socksified ? like having the telnet/ssh/etc binaries replaced with ones that automatically use socks ? (yeah i know, im lazy, typing runsocks whatever is too much effort :P) ciao, Balmik. From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 4 10:25:31 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:56 2004 Subject: [tech] mussel + socks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19991104102531.A5662@yakk.net.au> On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 01:07:36PM +1100, Balmik Soin wrote: > hey ppls > > any chance of getting mussel properly socksified ? like having the > telnet/ssh/etc binaries replaced with ones that automatically use socks ? > > (yeah i know, im lazy, typing runsocks whatever is too much effort :P) I actually prefer having to type runsocks - that way I know when I'm paying :-) Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Prefix: +61 8 | Fax/VoiceMail: 9265 0821 | Home: 9389 9162 | Work: 9380 3688 From mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 3 13:46:00 1999 From: mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:56 2004 Subject: [tech] mod_ssl and mussel In-Reply-To: <19991102232545.A14008@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Hiho all, > > I've been playing with mod_ssl and Apache at home. I've now > got my system going with a secure server and it all seems > to work perfectly. > > Are there any issues with me installing mod_ssl and the latest > version of Apache on mussel and then running our mail program > on the secure server? Not that I know of - except if you do that people outside PARNet won't be able to access it > Apparently people that use TWIG are having > their mail cached in proxy servers. > > Thanks, > Strange, it does set Pragma: no-cache, who's been complaining? and what crap ISP/browser do they use? Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au Captain Bipto: We did win, didn't we? Blaznee: No, but if we think fast enough we might just live to lie about it. From dunc at rcpt.to Wed Nov 3 14:09:19 1999 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:56 2004 Subject: [tech] mod_ssl and mussel In-Reply-To: ; from mtearle+ucc@tartarus.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 01:46:00PM +0800 References: <19991102232545.A14008@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991103140918.A13830@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Mark Tearle wrote on Wed November 03, at 13:46 +0800: > > Apparently people that use TWIG are having > > their mail cached in proxy servers. > > > > Thanks, > > Strange, it does set Pragma: no-cache, who's been complaining? and > what crap ISP/browser do they use? We had the same problem at iiNet during the first day of release of Webmail. The way we got around it was setting all the non-caching / expire immediately HTTP headers and also making sure that the URL always ended in .cgi. Dodgy, but it worked. ,dunc From luyer at zip.com.au Wed Nov 3 14:14:59 1999 From: luyer at zip.com.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:57 2004 Subject: [tech] mod_ssl and mussel In-Reply-To: Message from Duncan Sargeant of "Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:09:19 +0800." <19991103140918.A13830@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <199911030615.RAA22874@cactus.zip.net.au> > Mark Tearle wrote on Wed November 03, at 13:46 +0800: > > > Apparently people that use TWIG are having > > > their mail cached in proxy servers. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Strange, it does set Pragma: no-cache, who's been complaining? and > > what crap ISP/browser do they use? > > We had the same problem at iiNet during the first day of release of > Webmail. The way we got around it was setting all the non-caching / > expire immediately HTTP headers and also making sure that the URL > always ended in .cgi. Dodgy, but it worked. Yeah. Pragma: no-cache is not actually a valid response header, it just works for some dodgy caches. Cache-control: headers are HTTP/1.1. Expires in the past and .cgi are much more helpful but won't defeat some cache configs. David. From mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 3 14:34:18 1999 From: mtearle+ucc at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:57 2004 Subject: [tech] mod_ssl and mussel In-Reply-To: <199911030615.RAA22874@cactus.zip.net.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, David Luyer wrote: > > Mark Tearle wrote on Wed November 03, at 13:46 +0800: > > > > Apparently people that use TWIG are having > > > > their mail cached in proxy servers. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Strange, it does set Pragma: no-cache, who's been complaining? and > > > what crap ISP/browser do they use? > > > > We had the same problem at iiNet during the first day of release of > > Webmail. The way we got around it was setting all the non-caching / > > expire immediately HTTP headers and also making sure that the URL > > always ended in .cgi. Dodgy, but it worked. > > Yeah. Pragma: no-cache is not actually a valid response header, it just > works for some dodgy caches. Cache-control: headers are HTTP/1.1. Expires > in the past and .cgi are much more helpful but won't defeat some cache > configs. > > David. > I've bashed it to use Cache-control instead, and played with the Expires header. Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au Captain Bipto: We did win, didn't we? Blaznee: No, but if we think fast enough we might just live to lie about it. From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 3 17:46:51 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:57 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: help with exabyte tape/650MB Optical/8in floppy/TK50 Tape/9 Track tape In-Reply-To: ; from Dirk Slawinski on Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 05:23:42PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <19991103174650.P5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 05:23:42PM +0800, Dirk Slawinski wrote to tech-contacts: > Dear all, > as you can see by the subject I need help with some older storage media. > I have a set of users that have old data they need to retrieve from > archival media. Does anyone have any of the following tape/floptical > drives on campus: > > Exabyte (5GB?) > 650MB Optical drive > 8 inch floppy > TK50 tapes > 9 track reel tape [...] Yes - the UCC, for at least some of those. What's most important to you? and what can you tell me about each item? Each will have varying degrees of difficulty and require different amounts of time and effort. You should be able to read straight off most of the tapes if the block sizes are right, but there's formatting issues with the others. Compression might be a problem. 8mm Exabyte should be straightforward. TK50 should be OK with a little work - the machine with one should boot, but has an unreliable ethernet card (and two potential replacements). 8" floppy _might_ be doable with some effort - a housemate and I have a PDP-11 with two 8" floppies that we're going to have a go at over the holidays. 9 track - I think I know someone that should be able to read that, I can put you in touch with them. 650MB optical? Don't know about that one. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Sat Nov 6 16:37:20 1999 From: mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:58 2004 Subject: [tech] Announcing Mailman 1.1 (fwd) Message-ID: Hmm, maybe it's time to upgrade? Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au Captain Bipto: We did win, didn't we? Blaznee: No, but if we think fast enough we might just live to lie about it. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:15:06 -0500 (EST) From: Barry A. Warsaw To: mailman-announce@python.org Cc: mailman-users@python.org, mailman-developers@python.org, info-gnu@gnu.org, python-list@python.org, python-announce@python.org Subject: Announcing Mailman 1.1 I have just uploaded Mailman version 1.1 to www.list.org, and this will hopefully soon be mirrored to ftp.gnu.org. This release is precipitated by the removal of all GIFs from the distribution. There have also been some performance improvements, although lots more can still be done. ;) See the NEWS file excerpt below for details of changes. Sadly, the internationalization effort has not yet been integrated (mostly due to time constraints of the core maintainers). Mailman, the GNU mailing list manager, is software to help manage email discussion lists, much like Majordomo and Smartmail. Unlike most similar products, Mailman gives each mailing list a web page, and allows users to subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. over the web. Even the list manager can administer his or her list entirely from the web. Mailman also integrates most things people want to do with mailing lists, including archiving, mail-to-news gateways, and so on. Mailman is writtein primarily in Python, with a little bit of C for security. See http://www.list.org or http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman.html for details and downloading. -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- - All GIFs removed. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html for the reason why. - Improvements to the Pipermail archiver which make things faster. Primary change is that the .txt files are not gzip'd on every posted message. Instead, use the new cron script `nightly_gzip' to gzip the .txt file in batches (this means that the .txt file will lag behind the on-line archives a little). - From the C drivers programs, Python is invoked with the -S option. This tells Python to avoid importing the site module, which can improve start up time of the Python process considerably. Note that the command line script invocation has not been changed. - New configuration variables PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER which can contain a shell command string for os.popen(). This can be used to invoke an external archiver instead of the bundled Pipermail archiver. See Defaults.py for details. - new script `bin/find_member' which can be used to search for a member by regular expression. - More child processes are reaped, which should eliminate most occurances of zombie processes. - A few small miscellaneous bug fixes (including PR#99, PR#107) and improvements to the file locking algorithms. -------------------- snip snip --------------------

Mailman 1.1 - the GNU mailing list manager, implemented primarily in Python. (05-Nov-1999) -- http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list From ben at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Nov 7 03:21:04 1999 From: ben at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Ben Rampling) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:58 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] annoying cache misfeature In-Reply-To: <19991107030132.Z5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Nick Bannon at "Nov 7, 99 03:01:33 am" Message-ID: <199911061921.DAA22140@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > The problem is, I guess, that the current add_fms script is a quick > hack and the whole add/remove/change user thing still isn't adequately > finished. Further, it's run on mussel, so there's not a direct way to > cause a random mermaid commands to be run at the moment. > > On February 26th, add_ucc was modified to run /usr/local/sbin/mkcache, > then /usr/local/sbin/mkdbm, as is required on mermaid after editing the > passwd file. (if you use vipw, it will happen automagically) This isn't aimed at Nick in particular, who actually knows what's going on: add_fms shouldn't be trying to run anything like mkcache. Consider what it does before trying to make it do so. If binaries need to be run before or after password updates, look at /etc/fmm.conf on beige and see how beige does things. You need a line such as; PostUpdateCommand /usr/bin/niload passwd / < /etc/passwd_import or in the case of mermaid, just; PostUpdateCommand /usr/local/sbin/mkcache PostUpdateCommand /usr/local/sbin/mkdbm Note that the above commands never see a shell -- the redirections are handled internally, globbing will not work, and the file references should be absolute. Don't make anything other than the fmmd monitor for the database backend do changes in response to new or modified accounts -- the results will almost always be poor hacks. Regards, Ben Rampling From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Nov 7 03:38:09 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:58 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] annoying cache misfeature In-Reply-To: <199911061921.DAA22140@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Ben Rampling on Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 03:21:04AM +0800 References: <19991107030132.Z5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <199911061921.DAA22140@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991107033804.A5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 03:21:04AM +0800, Ben Rampling wrote: > This isn't aimed at Nick in particular, who actually knows what's going on: I'm trying. ::-) I'm definitely still missing bits, though, eg what you can do and how to do it in the web interface. [...] > or in the case of mermaid, just; > > PostUpdateCommand /usr/local/sbin/mkcache > PostUpdateCommand /usr/local/sbin/mkdbm Aha! Now added. > Note that the above commands never see a shell -- the redirections are > handled internally, globbing will not work, and the file references > should be absolute. [...] I take it that's deliberate? I guess the command in question can just be a script if need be. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Nov 7 18:50:50 1999 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:58 2004 Subject: [tech] identd Message-ID: <19991107185050.B23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle Does anyone know if there is identd source anywhere? See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From james at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Nov 7 19:27:41 1999 From: james at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Bromberger) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:59 2004 Subject: [tech] identd In-Reply-To: <19991107185050.B23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Simon Fryer on Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 06:50:50PM +0800 References: <19991107185050.B23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991107192741.A30070@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 06:50:50PM +0800, Simon Fryer wrote: > Does anyone know if there is identd source anywhere? Debain source package for identd? Most of the standard net stuff has been split into separate packages now. -- James Bromberger, UWA Campus Wide Information Systems Officer (UWA Webmaster) Work Ph: +61-8-9380-7306 Work Fax: +61-8-9380-1162 Remainder moved to http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~james/james/sig.html From yakk at yakk.net.au Sun Nov 7 19:30:33 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:59 2004 Subject: [tech] identd In-Reply-To: <19991107192741.A30070@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991107185050.B23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991107192741.A30070@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991107193033.B2152@yakk.net.au> On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 07:27:41PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 06:50:50PM +0800, Simon Fryer wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is identd source anywhere? > > Debain source package for identd? Most of the standard net stuff has > been split into separate packages now. > I think he is after one for scarlet, or perhaps starfish. I would look for pidentd or something like that on freshmeat.net - I couldn't find one on freeware.sgi.com. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax/VoiceMail: +61 (8) 9265 0821 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9162 From davidb at dogmatix.rcpt.to Sun Nov 7 22:49:28 1999 From: davidb at dogmatix.rcpt.to (David Basden) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:17:59 2004 Subject: [tech] identd In-Reply-To: <19991107193033.B2152@yakk.net.au>; from Ian McKellar on Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 07:30:33PM +0800 References: <19991107185050.B23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991107192741.A30070@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991107193033.B2152@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <19991107224928.A30466@dogmatix.rcpt.to> On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 07:30:33PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 07:27:41PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 06:50:50PM +0800, Simon Fryer wrote: > > > Does anyone know if there is identd source anywhere? > > > > Debain source package for identd? Most of the standard net stuff has > > been split into separate packages now. > > > I think he is after one for scarlet, or perhaps starfish. I would look for > pidentd or something like that on freshmeat.net - I couldn't find one on > freeware.sgi.com. Yeah, an identd would have to be pretty specific to the arch... .. D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 248 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/19991107/76936c48/attachment.pgp From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 8 10:20:29 1999 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:00 2004 Subject: [tech] identd In-Reply-To: <19991107185050.B23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from fryers@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 06:50:50PM +0800 References: <19991107185050.B23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991108102029.A23023@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 07, Simon Fryer scrawled : > Does anyone know if there is identd source anywhere? > uname -a 10:13 Linux mussel 2.2.9 #19 SMP Fri Jul 30 22:45:56 WST 1999 i686 unknown pwd /debian/linux/debian/dists/potato/main/source/net/ pidentd_3.0.7.orig.tar.gz this is of course, the linux one. it does work on sparc, butI can't say as for SunOS4,5 cya, -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au gotta www.wibble.org again From luyer at zip.com.au Mon Nov 8 10:24:46 1999 From: luyer at zip.com.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:00 2004 Subject: [tech] identd In-Reply-To: Message from Jean-Paul Blaquiere of "Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:20:29 +0800." <19991108102029.A23023@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <199911080224.NAA28292@cactus.zip.net.au> pidentd (as at the path JPB pointed out) will work on pretty much any Unix operating system. David. -- David Luyer . . www.zipworld.net Network Engineer . zipworld Zip World is Phone: +61 2 9253 5704 . . proudly part of the Fax: +61 2 9247 5276 . . Pacific Internet Group Personal E-mail: david@luyer.net Personal web: www.luyer.net From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 9 00:25:26 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:00 2004 Subject: [tech] RC5DES Message-ID: <19991109002526.A25551@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi all, > [Nov 08 16:21:09 UTC] 3594 RC5 packets (3594 work units) are in buff-out.rc5 Mussel is running at fractionally under twice the speed of my PII/400 at this task. Its really doing well because of the immense amounts of idle time - even during the day the CPUs usually aren't doing much. (I'm comparing the speed to my machine on individual blocks, looking when the CPU isn't loaded by other users.) Its a very cool machine :) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ Tue Nov 9 12:35:36 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ (mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:00 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) extra xp1000's Message-ID: <199911090435.MAA08263@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> -- forwarded message -- Message-ID: <3827ABDC.BF3726AB@home.com> From: Charles Weber Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.alpha Subject: extra xp1000's Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 04:08:38 GMT All: My brother has come on to some xp1000's that apparently are a casualty of the death of alpha nt (please don't cry). > From: clair weber [mailto:clairwa@swcp.com] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 6:49 PM > To: Weber, Charles > Subject: alpha workstations > > http://www.compaq.com/products/workstations/xp1000/index.html > > Tech specs > 500mhx alpha 21264 processor > 9 gb, 10K rpm Wide Ultra Scsi > 256 mb ECC RAM 100mhz bus > Powerstorm 300 video card > 32x cdrom If you are interested, follow the mailto. I believe he is looking for 1700 US + tax. Chuck Weber -- end of forwarded message -- That's fucking cheap. An XP100 outta make a nice user box @ UCC. We can sell the powerstorm to engineering to offset some of the cost :) -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 9 13:04:24 1999 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:00 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) extra xp1000's In-Reply-To: <199911090435.MAA08263@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ on Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:35:36PM +0800 References: <199911090435.MAA08263@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991109130424.I23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle > A while ago mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ tapped: > > http://www.compaq.com/products/workstations/xp1000/index.html > > > > Tech specs > > 500mhx alpha 21264 processor > > 9 gb, 10K rpm Wide Ultra Scsi > > 256 mb ECC RAM 100mhz bus > > Powerstorm 300 video card > > 32x cdrom *drool* > If you are interested, follow the mailto. I believe he is looking for > 1700 US + tax. > Chuck Weber > > -- end of forwarded message -- > > > That's fucking cheap. > An XP100 outta make a nice user box @ UCC. We can sell the powerstorm to engineering to > offset some of the cost :) Nice user box??? Fucking fast user box. This will take the shit out of everything we have for disk IO, memory IO (Memory bus twice as wide). The only place it may be second to mussel is with two very CPU intensive processes where the while process lives in cache. You have all read the stats on how my alpha is still caining all but the overclocked duel processor Celerons. I really think that UCC needs a non-intel user box. If the funds are available (even if not easily) I think we should really try and get one. See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 9 17:40:56 1999 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:01 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine Room Message-ID: <19991109174056.K23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle Have started to tidy the machine room. You can now see the desk. There is still much to do. See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 9 21:27:35 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:01 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine Room In-Reply-To: <19991109174056.K23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from fryers@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 05:40:56PM +0800 References: <19991109174056.K23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991109212735.C31177@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 09, Simon Fryer scrawled : > Bingle > > Have started to tidy the machine room. You can now see the > desk. There is still much to do. As an individual who will have no *real* exams after tommorow morning I'd be willing to give tidying up in there a go on Sunday (or whenever I don't have an exam on.) It would probably be a good thing if we could arrange things better in the racks and make the power a little more stable. Its been better since the recent cleanup, but there are still power connectors suspended together in bizarre and worrying ways. (A couple of times the switch has lost power.) What actual needs to be done beyond tidying and fixing the power? -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 9 22:51:41 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:01 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) extra xp1000's In-Reply-To: <19991109130424.I23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Simon Fryer on Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 01:04:24PM +0800 References: <199911090435.MAA08263@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991109130424.I23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991109225140.K5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 01:04:24PM +0800, Simon Fryer wrote: > > A while ago mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ tapped: [...] > > An XP100 outta make a nice user box @ UCC. We can sell the powerstorm to engineering to > > offset some of the cost :) > > Nice user box??? Fucking fast user box. This will take the shit out of > everything we have for disk IO, memory IO (Memory bus twice as wide). The [...] Mmmm, now that's some _real_ server hardware. It's still a lot of money, though (probably AUD$3000 after shipping, _if_ we don't have to pay extra tax). There was _some_ interest at the committee meeting (and some "why do we need another server?" sentiment), but it's pretty clear that we'd need serious pledges and some general interest. 50% pledges sounds good. If you want to push it, count me in for $500 and post it to the UCC list. If we get $1500 and a few more interested people, Committee can decide whether to fund the rest. In any case, it's going to take at least a couple of days. Your 256MB Indigo2 might fill the same niche - not the same raw performance, but it'd be a good workhorse user box. When were you planning to bring it in? Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 10 14:15:36 1999 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:01 2004 Subject: [tech] Machine Room In-Reply-To: <19991109212735.C31177@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Grahame Bowland on Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 09:27:35PM +0800 References: <19991109174056.K23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991109212735.C31177@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991110141536.L23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > A while ago Grahame Bowland tapped: > As an individual who will have no *real* exams after tommorow > morning I'd be willing to give tidying up in there a go on > Sunday (or whenever I don't have an exam on.) That would be great. > It would probably be a good thing if we could arrange things > better in the racks and make the power a little more stable. > Its been better since the recent cleanup, but there are still > power connectors suspended together in bizarre and worrying > ways. (A couple of times the switch has lost power.) I have given this some thought. Here are my suggestions. In teh corner of the machine room there is a wall mounted rack with a small dec rack underneith it. Moving all the networking stuff (router, hubs and switch) in to the wall mount and dec rack would be a wise thing. Next to this rtack is another dec rack containing mussel. AFAIK the only two machines using 100MB are erwin and mussel. Erwin can continue to live in the corner and mussel in it's rack. Maybe moving mermaid into the same rack as mussel. This leaves a number of mini-towers in one of the racks. It may be possible to move the minitowers back onto the desk. This should leave a large rack almost empty. I have recirently aquired a Sparc VME CPU card and am interested in putting mackerel/mermans cage into this rack. By doing some sane cabling it may even look neat. Anyway, this is my suggestion. > What actual needs to be done beyond tidying and fixing the > power? Nothing really. We can see how long each machine stays up before it crashes? See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 10 14:23:08 1999 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:01 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) extra xp1000's In-Reply-To: <19991109225140.K5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Nick Bannon on Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 10:51:41PM +0800 References: <199911090435.MAA08263@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991109130424.I23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991109225140.K5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991110142308.M23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle > A while ago Nick Bannon tapped: [...] > Mmmm, now that's some _real_ server hardware. Yup. > It's still a lot of money, though (probably AUD$3000 after shipping, > _if_ we don't have to pay extra tax). There was _some_ interest at the > committee meeting (and some "why do we need another server?" sentiment), Case for another server: - owr main user boxen are medium level PC clones. The ones where people can get something similar at home quite easily. The other non - PC user boxen are SG machines with the most difficult unix I have ever come across. Having a nice fast non-pc user box would be nice. > but it's pretty clear that we'd need serious pledges and some general > interest. 50% pledges sounds good. > > If you want to push it, count me in for $500 and post it to the UCC > list. If we get $1500 and a few more interested people, Committee can > decide whether to fund the rest. In any case, it's going to take at > least a couple of days. Count me in for $100. [...] See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 10 14:42:08 1999 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:02 2004 Subject: [tech] mop Message-ID: <19991110144208.P23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle Does anyone know if the router can route mop requests or can be made to do so? See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 10 14:50:17 1999 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:02 2004 Subject: [tech] pidentd Message-ID: <19991110145017.Q23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle As the study avoidance and frustration continue. I managed to compile pidentd on erwin without amy major problems. Making it work however is another issue. It seems to be reading /usr/local/etc/identd.conf ok and starting but using the test program it failed to return an acceptatble response. On erwin the binarys are in /usr/local/sbin and the startup script is /etc/init.d/identd.init. Config file is as above. Source is in /usr/local/src/pidentd????? Would someone who has got pidentd working please email me a known working config file or have a look at my attempts at setting it up. Thanks. See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 10 16:53:54 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:02 2004 Subject: [tech] GCC on the SGIs Message-ID: <19991110165354.A4284@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> gcc has been installed on azure and is in the process of being installed on erwin. I've tried compiling my prime number generator with it on azure and it works perfectly :) /usr/freeware/bin/gcc -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 10 17:09:00 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:02 2004 Subject: [tech] GCC on the SGIs In-Reply-To: <19991110165354.A4284@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:53:54PM +0800 References: <19991110165354.A4284@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991110170900.A4366@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 10, Grahame Bowland scrawled : > gcc has been installed on azure and is in the process > of being installed on erwin. I've tried compiling my > prime number generator with it on azure and it works > perfectly :) > > /usr/freeware/bin/gcc I hate replying to my own email, but its worth mentioning that gdb has also been installed. If you want to use things like this you'll need /usr/freeware/bin in your path. Having /usr/bsd in your path is also a good idea :) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From warrick at wyvern.com.au Wed Nov 10 20:07:08 1999 From: warrick at wyvern.com.au (Warrick Mitchell) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:02 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) extra xp1000's In-Reply-To: <19991110142308.M23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Simon Fryer on Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 02:23:08PM +0800 References: <199911090435.MAA08263@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991109130424.I23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991109225140.K5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991110142308.M23235@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991110200708.A78066@mimbari.wyvern.com.au> On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 02:23:08PM +0800, Simon Fryer wrote: > > but it's pretty clear that we'd need serious pledges and some general > > interest. 50% pledges sounds good. > > > > If you want to push it, count me in for $500 and post it to the UCC > > list. If we get $1500 and a few more interested people, Committee can > > decide whether to fund the rest. In any case, it's going to take at > > least a couple of days. > > Count me in for $100. Count me in for $100 too. Seeya, Warrick From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 10 22:08:52 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:02 2004 Subject: [tech] Possibly a stupid question... Message-ID: <19991110220851.A5078@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> I have convinced my Mum to give me a lift in with my computer tommorow so I can get a copy of the Debian mirror. I know that potato has simlinks to slink, but by default cp dereferences the simlinks when copying. It seems to me that the following command: cp -r -v /debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/ /...wherever... ought to give me a working copy of the main potato binary packages. Did I get this right, or do I need more complicated commands to get a working mirror? (I don't want to have to copy all of slink as well as potato.) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 10 22:29:53 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:03 2004 Subject: [tech] Possibly a stupid question... In-Reply-To: <19991110220851.A5078@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Grahame Bowland on Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 10:08:52PM +0800 References: <19991110220851.A5078@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991110222953.N5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 10:08:52PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: [...] > cp -r -v /debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/ /...wherever... [...] > Did I get this right, or do I need more complicated commands > to get a working mirror? (I don't want to have to copy all of slink > as well as potato.) Erm... Good question - try it. ::-) You'll definitely need binary-all as well as binary-i386. Copy disks-i386 as well and delete the bits you don't need (like 1.2MB floppy images and all the base*.bin floppy images - the base*.tgz will do). Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 10 22:40:22 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:03 2004 Subject: [tech] Possibly a stupid question... In-Reply-To: <19991110222953.N5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 10:29:53PM +0800 References: <19991110220851.A5078@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991110222953.N5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991110224022.B5335@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 10, Nick Bannon scrawled : > On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 10:08:52PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > [...] > > cp -r -v /debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/ /...wherever... > [...] > > Did I get this right, or do I need more complicated commands > > to get a working mirror? (I don't want to have to copy all of slink > > as well as potato.) > > Erm... Good question - try it. ::-) > > You'll definitely need binary-all as well as binary-i386. Copy disks-i386 > as well and delete the bits you don't need (like 1.2MB floppy images > and all the base*.bin floppy images - the base*.tgz will do). I've just investigated more. If someone can confirm/deny that would be great. Looking at the way its set up, binary-i386 symlinks binary-all where necessary. So I need to grab random files to make it work, but basically (I used du -h -L to get this): /debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/ = 1.4G /debian/dists/potato/non-free/binary-i386/ = 282M /debian/dists/potato/contrib/binary-i386/ = 99M /debian/non-US/dists/potato/non-US/main/binary-i386/ = 9.8M I have a > 3Gb ext2fs partition to fill. Yippee :) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From warrick at wyvern.com.au Thu Nov 11 07:28:31 1999 From: warrick at wyvern.com.au (Warrick Mitchell) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:03 2004 Subject: [tech] Possibly a stupid question... In-Reply-To: <19991110224022.B5335@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Grahame Bowland on Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 10:40:22PM +0800 References: <19991110220851.A5078@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991110222953.N5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991110224022.B5335@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991111072831.A41870@mimbari.wyvern.com.au> On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 10:40:22PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > On Nov 10, Nick Bannon scrawled : > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 10:08:52PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > [...] > > > cp -r -v /debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/ /...wherever... > > [...] > > > Did I get this right, or do I need more complicated commands > > > to get a working mirror? (I don't want to have to copy all of slink > > > as well as potato.) rsync -avz ftp.linux.org.au::pub/debian/dists/potato /home/ftp/pub/unix/linux/debian/dists/potato is your friend :) ftp.linux.org.au is on 10 mb fibre to waix and this will get you everythng needed for potato quickly and easily :) Seeya, Warrick From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 11 09:29:08 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:03 2004 Subject: [tech] Possibly a stupid question... In-Reply-To: <19991111072831.A41870@mimbari.wyvern.com.au>; from Warrick Mitchell on Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 07:28:31AM +0800 References: <19991110220851.A5078@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991110222953.N5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991110224022.B5335@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991111072831.A41870@mimbari.wyvern.com.au> Message-ID: <19991111092908.P5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 07:28:31AM +0800, Warrick Mitchell wrote: > rsync -avz ftp.linux.org.au::pub/debian/dists/potato /home/ftp/pub/unix/linux/debian/dists/potato > > is your friend :) No, it's a false friend. ::-) They _do_ seem to have cut it down to what's required for i386 (no source, no other architectures) but it's still not self-contained - there's a lot of symlinks back into slink where the package in question hasn't changed since then. This will no doubt change when potato is released. Hmmm... They also have to offer most of the source on demand. I wonder if anyone's asked them - would they start mirroring it, or would they burn some CDs? > ftp.linux.org.au is on 10 mb fibre to waix and this will get you everythng needed for potato quickly and easily :) > > Seeya, > Warrick There's also Debian tools for making the ISO images, but I haven't looked into them. cp, dereferencing symlinks, may do just fine. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 11 12:40:05 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:03 2004 Subject: [tech] Possibly a stupid question... In-Reply-To: <19991111092908.P5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991110220851.A5078@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991110222953.N5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991110224022.B5335@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991111072831.A41870@mimbari.wyvern.com.au> <19991111092908.P5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991111124005.A6910@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 09:29:08AM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > > There's also Debian tools for making the ISO images, but I haven't looked > into them. cp, dereferencing symlinks, may do just fine. How about a "tar (magic options to derefernce symlinks) cf - | tar xf -"? Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax/VoiceMail: +61 (8) 9265 0821 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9162 From luyer at zip.com.au Thu Nov 11 13:38:22 1999 From: luyer at zip.com.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:04 2004 Subject: [tech] Possibly a stupid question... In-Reply-To: Message from Ian McKellar of "Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:40:05 +0800." <19991111124005.A6910@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <199911110538.QAA23067@cactus.zip.net.au> > On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 09:29:08AM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > > > > There's also Debian tools for making the ISO images, but I haven't looked > > into them. cp, dereferencing symlinks, may do just fine. > > How about a "tar (magic options to derefernce symlinks) cf - | tar xf -"? Or do something based on this script, with hamm and slink changed to slink and potato and with the commented out bits uncommented: #!/usr/bin/rc # 1: mirror slink if (!~ `whoami luyer) { echo 'Must run as luyer!' exit 1 } cd /home/luyer echo 'package=Debian comment=Mirror of parts of ftp.uwa.edu.au/mirrors/linux/debian site=ftp.uwa.edu.au recurse_hard=true remote_dir=/mirrors/linux/debian local_dir=/debian # exclude starting with... exclude_patt=((^(README.* exclude_patt+|Archive_Maintenance_In_Progress exclude_patt+|dists/(indices|stable|frozen|potato|hamm|sid|unstable|prop osed-updates|Debian2.*) exclude_patt+|dists/slink-proposed-updates/.*(\.gz|_(alpha|sparc|m68k|po werpc|arm|hurd-i386)\.deb|\.dsc|\.changes) exclude_patt+|hamm|project|doc|indices|build|ls-lR.*|tools)) # exclude path segments... exclude_patt+|(/(source|\..*|MIRROR\.LOG|md5sums|Maintainers|Packages|Co ntents-(m68k|alpha|sparc)\.gz|\.notar exclude_patt+|lost+found|other_kernels exclude_patt+|(binary|disks)-(alpha|sparc|m68k|powerpc|arm|hurd-i386)|ms dos-i386 exclude_patt+|disks-i386|README.*|timestamp\.txt # exclude packages... exclude_patt+|xserver-(8514|agx|i128|mach(8|32|64)|mono|p9000|s3|s3v|vga 16|w32)_.* exclude_patt+|kernel-source-.* exclude_patt+|.*dmotif.*|netscape.*|communicator.*|navigator.* exclude_patt+|cmucl.*|iraf-.*|.*emacs.*|abuse.*|picon.*|xbooks_.*|timidi ty.*|quake.* exclude_patt+|i(german|danish|swedish|norwegian|spanish|french|dutch).* exclude_patt+|bible-kjv.*|lg-.*|tetex-src.*|wine-.*|libwine-.*| exclude_patt+|doc/(installmanual|doc-(debian|linux)|manpages)-(zh|sv|pl| de|es|fr|it|ja|ko)[\-_].*\.deb)))$ delete_excl=^(hamm-tmp|non-US) max_delete_files=30% ' > tmp/mirror-debian:debian-i386 #mv /debian/hamm /debian/hamm-tmp mirror tmp/mirror-debian:debian-i386 >[2=1] #| tee tmp/mirror-debian:out1 | grep 'Not symlinking' > tmp/mirror-debian:extraget #mv /debian/hamm-tmp /debian/hamm ## 2: get required hamm, delete any no longer required #grep 'Not symlinking.*->.*hamm/.*$' tmp/mirror-debian:extraget | sed 's/^.*Not symlinking.*->.*hamm\///' | sort -u > tmp/mirror-debian:extraget.new #patt=`{cat tmp/mirror-debian:extraget.new | sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$/\^\1\$/' -e 'sx\ ([+./]\)x\\\1xg'} #{ echo -n 'package=Debian # comment=Mirror of parts of ftp.uwa.edu.au/mirrors/linux/debian # site=ftp.uwa.edu.au # recurse_hard=true # remote_dir=/mirrors/linux/debian/hamm # local_dir=/debian/hamm # do_deletes=false # exclude_patt=\/((binary|disks)-m68k|source)$ # get_patt=\/binary-(i386|all)(dummy-begin' # echo -n ' # get_patt+|'^$patt | sed -e 's/\$ $//' -e 'sx|.*binary-\(i386\|all\)x|x' # echo ' # get_patt+|^dummy-end)$' } > tmp/mirror-debian:debian-extras-i386 # #patt=() #mirror tmp/mirror-debian:debian-extras-i386 >[2=1] | tee tmp/mirror-debian:out2 | grep 'Not symlinking' > tmp/mirror-debian:extralink ## 3: make symlinks from [1] #cd /debian #rm -f dists/hamm #ln -s ../hamm dists/hamm #rm -f hamm/main #ln -s hamm hamm/main #for(line in ``(' #') {cat /home/luyer/tmp/mirror-debian:extraget}) { # linesplit=`` (' ') {echo $line} # from=$linesplit(3) # to=`{perl -e '$_=<>;chomp;print $_;' <<<$linesplit(5)} # fromdir=`{echo $from | sed 's/[^/]*$//'} # if ([ ! -f $fromdir$to ]) { # echo Does not exist: $fromdir$to # } else { # if ([ ! -f $from ]) { # ln -s $to $from # } # } #} ## 4: make symlinks from [2] #cd hamm #if ([ -s /home/luyer/tmp/mirror-debian:extralink ]) { # echo extralink section of this needs uncommenting ## for(line in ``(' ##' {cat /home/luyer/tmp/mirror-debian:extralink}) { ## linesplit=`` (' ') {echo $line} ## from=$linesplit(3) ## to=`{perl -e '$_=<>;chomp;print $_;' <<<$linesplit(5)} ## fromdir=`{echo $from | sed 's/[^/]*$//'} ## if ([ ! -f $fromdir$to ]) { ## echo Does not exist: $fromdir$to ## } else { ## if ([ ! -f $from ]) { ## ln -s $to $from ## } ## } ## } #} # 5: get non-US slink cd /home/luyer echo 'package=Debian comment=Mirror of parts of ftp.uwa.edu.au/mirrors/linux/debian site=ftp.uwa.edu.au recurse_hard=true remote_dir=/mirrors/linux/debian-non-US local_dir=/debian/non-US exclude_patt=(^(dists/)?(bo|obsolete|frozen|hamm|indici?es(-non-US)?|pot ato|stable|unstable|README.*)|/(source|binary-(alpha|sparc|m68k|powerpc|arm|hurd -i386)))$ max_delete_files=30% ' > tmp/mirror-debian:non-US-i386 mirror tmp/mirror-debian:non-US-i386 >[2=1] #| tee tmp/mirror-debian:out3 | grep 'Not symlinking' ==== David. -- David Luyer . . www.zipworld.net Network Engineer . zipworld Zip World is Phone: +61 2 9253 5755 . . proudly part of the Fax: +61 2 9247 5276 . . Pacific Internet Group From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 11 13:56:50 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:04 2004 Subject: [tech] Possibly a stupid question... In-Reply-To: <199911110538.QAA23067@cactus.zip.net.au>; from luyer@zip.com.au on Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 04:38:22PM +1100 References: <199911110538.QAA23067@cactus.zip.net.au> Message-ID: <19991111135650.A9506@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 11, David Luyer scrawled : > > On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 09:29:08AM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > > > > > > There's also Debian tools for making the ISO images, but I haven't looked > > > into them. cp, dereferencing symlinks, may do just fine. > > > > How about a "tar (magic options to derefernce symlinks) cf - | tar xf -"? > > Or do something based on this script, with hamm and slink changed to slink and > potato and with the commented out bits uncommented: Yikes. I've already copied binary-i386 for most of the parts and it looks like the mirror. It ought to work :) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From luyer at zip.com.au Thu Nov 11 13:59:52 1999 From: luyer at zip.com.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:04 2004 Subject: [tech] Possibly a stupid question... In-Reply-To: Message from Grahame Bowland of "Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:56:50 +0800." <19991111135650.A9506@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <199911110559.QAA23354@cactus.zip.net.au> Grahame Bowland wrote: > > On Nov 11, David Luyer scrawled : ... > Yikes. I've already copied binary-i386 for most of the parts and it looks > like the mirror. It ought to work :) Yeah, potato/binary-i386 will have symlinks into potato/binary-all and to slink/binary-i386 but they shouldn't matter if you copy with symlink dereferencing. That script was more used to keep the mirror up to date from home and elsewhere. David. -- David Luyer . . www.zipworld.net Network Engineer . zipworld Zip World is Phone: +61 2 9253 5704 . . proudly part of the Fax: +61 2 9247 5276 . . Pacific Internet Group Personal E-mail: david@luyer.net Personal web: www.luyer.net From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 11 18:06:29 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:04 2004 Subject: [tech] FSCK! Message-ID: <19991111180629.A10331@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Excuse the bad netiquette above. (I also suspect my spelling is lacking in the prior sentence.) I just got my computer to install Lilo in the MBR perfectly from Slink. It turns out that my hard-drive was not setup as LBR (or whatever it is) but as "NORMAL". It wasn't immediately obvious in the Bios, I had to do IDE Hard Drive Autodetect for it to work. Arrgh. This has cost me many many hours. I was even reduced to the level of installing slink, the redhat 6 over slink (which handled the hard drive ok for some reason) and then going "apt-get dist-upgrade" from RedHat 6. (Which _almost_ worked :) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Nov 12 01:17:25 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:04 2004 Subject: [tech] FSCK! In-Reply-To: <19991111180629.A10331@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Grahame Bowland on Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 06:06:29PM +0800 References: <19991111180629.A10331@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991112011724.T5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 06:06:29PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: [...] > I just got my computer to install Lilo in the MBR perfectly > from Slink. It turns out that my hard-drive was not setup > as LBR (or whatever it is) but as "NORMAL". It wasn't > immediately obvious in the Bios, I had to do IDE Hard Drive > Autodetect for it to work. Ah - the horror of IDE strikes again. LBA - Linear Block Addressing is one of several changes and hacks done to keep the old API for talking to MFM drives on the XT limping along... I wonder what RedHat does differently? Have a look at the Large Disk HOWTO for some more of the sordid details. There's apparently 33.8GB and 137GB limits coming up, too... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Nov 12 12:27:38 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:05 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) extra xp1000's Message-ID: At 8:07 PM 10/11/99, Warrick Mitchell wrote: >On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 02:23:08PM +0800, Simon Fryer wrote: >> > but it's pretty clear that we'd need serious pledges and some general >> > interest. 50% pledges sounds good. >> > >> > If you want to push it, count me in for $500 and post it to the UCC >> > list. If we get $1500 and a few more interested people, Committee can >> > decide whether to fund the rest. In any case, it's going to take at >> > least a couple of days. >> >> Count me in for $100. > >Count me in for $100 too. Me Too(TM)... once I start my job :) Cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Nov 12 12:54:32 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:05 2004 Subject: [tech] mop Message-ID: At 2:42 PM 10/11/99, Simon Fryer wrote: >Bingle > >Does anyone know if the router can route mop requests or can be made to >do so? Nope... its a nice little low level thingy. Doesn't touch the network layer. You want MOP, you need the critters on the same networks. Cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ Sat Nov 13 11:20:45 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ (mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:05 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) FS - LOTS OF COMPUTER STUFF - PERTH Message-ID: <199911130320.LAA28809@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> There's that P200/P233MMX that we said we should always aspire to for Mermaid. Its a good price... I think we ought to grab it. I'm pretty sure we can set mermaid to do the dual-voltages that the MMX chips require. If people think that this is a sane idea, can someone moot it at the next committee meeting and I'll go grab it. Cheers /dave -- forwarded message -- From: elai1@cc.curtin.edu.au (oiboi) Newsgroups: aus.ads.forsale.computers.used Subject: FS - LOTS OF COMPUTER STUFF - PERTH Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:53:09 GMT Reply-To: elai1@cc.curtin.edu.au Message-ID: <382ca2a8.21881906@news.m.iinet.net.au> Lines: 44 Im looking to buy a new computer, so Im selling all these stuff. Offers welcome unless as stated. Local sale do prefer unless u wanna pay for COD. Pentium 200MMX CPU with fan - $50 no offers PCChips Socket 7 M768 Motherboard (Up to 266 Mhz, 4mb onboard video and 16bit sound) - $90 offers welcome 2.1 Gigabyte Quantum HDD - $110 - offers welcome Desktop AT case - $30 no offers 32X CDROM Liteon - $50 offer welcome Almost new Aopen Midi Tower HX45 - $100 no offers PCCHIP Slot 1 BX 100mhz M/board M571/571V(500MHZ, 16bit Sound onboard,Baby ATX form factor)- $130 offers welcome DXR2 Creative Region Free PC-DVD (Drive only) - offers!!!??? PCCHIPS 100MHZ Socket 7 Motherboard M577 Mobo (16bit Onboard Sound, 60-100mhz fsb, 1.5X - 5.5X multiplier, with AT/ATX power supply) - $120 offers welcome AT Midi Tower Case (Great case) - $50 no offer AMD K6-2 350 cpu with FAN - $80 8mb i740 Video Card - $50 Again I comment that offers are welcome but be reasonable. Thanks!!! And please, NO INTERNATIONAL buyers. I am tired of people emailing me when they are in UK. This is Australia!!! If you are in Perth and dont live too far, I can fix it all up for u for free. Free delivery for certain areas of Perth. Welcome to test the parts, if you in Perth. Emails to elai1@cc.curtin.edu.au. No newsgroup replies thanks. -- end of forwarded message -- -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From yakk at yakk.net.au Sat Nov 13 12:38:47 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:05 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) FS - LOTS OF COMPUTER STUFF - PERTH In-Reply-To: <199911130320.LAA28809@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <199911130320.LAA28809@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991113123847.B505@yakk.net.au> On Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 11:20:45AM +0800, mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ wrote: > There's that P200/P233MMX that we said we should always aspire to for Mermaid. > Its a good price... I think we ought to grab it. I'm pretty sure we can set > mermaid to do the dual-voltages that the MMX chips require. > If people think that this is a sane idea, can someone moot it at the next > committee meeting and I'll go grab it. > > Pentium 200MMX CPU with fan - $50 no offers Sounds good to me. Can you get it? If UCC doesn't I want it I'll have it. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Nov 13 14:33:38 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:05 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) FS - LOTS OF COMPUTER STUFF - PERTH In-Reply-To: <19991113123847.B505@yakk.net.au>; from Ian McKellar on Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 12:38:47PM +0800 References: <199911130320.LAA28809@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991113123847.B505@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <19991113143338.A5012@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 12:38:47PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 11:20:45AM +0800, mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ wrote: [...] > > Pentium 200MMX CPU with fan - $50 no offers > > Sounds good to me. Can you get it? If UCC doesn't I want it I'll have it. Yes - goferit. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Nov 13 22:57:53 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:06 2004 Subject: [tech] Pentium system Message-ID: Hi Ben - just checking up... did oyu bring that Pentium PC back to the clubroom..? If so, where can it be found..? Cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 15 10:56:53 1999 From: mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:06 2004 Subject: [tech] mussel Message-ID: Who's been playing with SSL then? :) -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au Captain Bipto: We did win, didn't we? Blaznee: No, but if we think fast enough we might just live to lie about it. 21d20 < ii apache-ssl 1.3.9.5+1.37-2 Versatile, high-performance HTTP server with 303c302 < ii libssl09 0.9.4-3 SSL shared libraries --- > ii libssl09 0.9.3a-1 SSL shared libraries 405d403 < ii openssl 0.9.4-3 Secure Socket Layer and related cryptographi From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 15 21:51:36 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:06 2004 Subject: [tech] mussel In-Reply-To: ; from mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Nov 15, 1999 at 10:56:53AM +0800 References: Message-ID: <19991115215135.B25699@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 15, Mark Tearle scrawled : > Who's been playing with SSL then? :) > I made a brief attempt to install an SSLed version of Apache on mussel so that we could run TWIG on something secure. I gave up when I realised that my Tartarus account has been locked for excessive net usage. Only 137 days until it gets fixed. Don't uninstall those packages - I almost had them working. I've looked at how I got it working at home and think I know how to fix it :) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 17 15:04:34 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:06 2004 Subject: [tech] [awiggins@cse.unsw.EDU.AU: Taking Orders Now - Photon v1] Message-ID: <19991117150432.A10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> I thought I'd forward this on... PLEB is the Portable Linux Embedded Box project from the Uni of NSW. They've designed and built a small computer based on the StrongARM 1100 chip. The first fruit of this is the MiniPLEB, and they're about to do a production run of 36. http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~pleb/minipleb.html http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~philp/pictures/pleb/PIC00003.jpg It does serial, fast IrDA, talks to LCDs, all in a credit card sized package, and packs considerably more grunt than a Dragonball 68000. ::-) (enough for MP3 decoding or speech recognition, for example) Does it pique anyone's interest? or should we look again next year when there might be generation 2 hardware? Nick. ----- Forwarded message from Adam 'WeirdArms' Wiggins ----- Delivered-To: nick-pleb@rcpt.to From: Adam 'WeirdArms' Wiggins To: "utility account for group.pleb " Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:02:37 +1100 (EST) Subject: Taking Orders Now - Photon v1 Hey all, over the next few months we are manufacturing 36 MiniPLEB boards (aka Photon version 1). The description is on the web page. Each unit consists of a SA-1100 cpu board and a memory daughter card with either 16/32MB of 60ns EDO DRAM. These boards are mainly intended for experimentation to develop software and possible hardware based around the SA-1100 and the PLEB Project. Only 36 boards will be manufactured half of the memory boards will be 16MB, half 32MB. All come with 4MB flash. Not all boards will be distributed externally. The price is looking between $800-$1000 Australian so approx $500 US including a JTAG programmer for the 32MB model. It might cost less but I've not done the sums yet. Right now I'm taking orders, I may mail some of you again personally who have shown interest in the past. Those interested should mail me personally (awiggins@cse.unsw.edu.au) with "Photon Order" in the subject field and the following info in the body: * Your name and contact details * The institute making the purcase (Uni, Company or private) * prefered number of units * memory size preference (16MB or 32MB) * Project brief, ie what you intend to do with it (just a summery nothing more then a page please. If there are more orders then boards I'll select them with some of the other group members. I'll let people know by mid december who gets what and the boards will ship early next year. Please note we only plan to make 36 of these boards and make the design (Schematics/PCB public domain), Supplied will be a user manual, the unit and a JTAG programmer unit (for firmware upgrades). During summer a new board (Photon version 2) based on the SA-1110 with SDRAM and FLASH on the CPU board will be done, this design is being funded by these sales. For this reason only hardware/software developers should order these boards, others should wait for the new board. Anyone interested in manufacturing more of the Photon version 1 boards should let me know in a seperate mail. Please mail me the orders before december. I'll stop taking orders at the end of november. Once all orders are in the pricing details will be settled as well as shipping dates and who gets what. Cheers Adam ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 17 18:10:57 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:06 2004 Subject: [tech] FlameBox Message-ID: <19991117181057.A6740@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Flamebox is in the machine room on a rack. Please don't disembowel it for spare parts or mess with it - I really want to see if I can get it working tommorow. Thanks, -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 14:26:49 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:06 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox Message-ID: <19991118142649.A11838@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Flamebox now runs flame happily. It has a day-old clone of flame which I and Andrew were able to log into successfully. Can people with more knowledge of the innards of flame work towards transfering all of the flame mail stuff and making `flame` point to flamebox? I don't know enough about how it's currently set up to change it without breaking it in the process. The box is in the machine room and is running a minimal potato install. It's mounting home directories and is running sshd. Thanks, -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 14:34:55 1999 From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:07 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox Message-ID: <199911180634.OAA17362@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:26:49 +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: >Flamebox now runs flame happily. It has a day-old clone of >flame which I and Andrew were able to log into successfully. > >Can people with more knowledge of the innards of flame work >towards transfering all of the flame mail stuff and making `flame` >point to flamebox? I don't know enough about how it's currently >set up to change it without breaking it in the process. > >The box is in the machine room and is running a minimal potato >install. It's mounting home directories and is running sshd. I'd like to see all of moray's functions transferred to the new hardware, and moray retired. If flame runs on a machine dedicated to flame, it's not going to survive for very long - people will rip the hardware apart, or just not bother fixing it as soon (or ever) if it fails. A P100 with 32Mb of RAM is way gruntier than moray is now, it would improve things all round... Andrew From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 14:39:57 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:07 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox In-Reply-To: <19991118142649.A11838@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991118142649.A11838@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991118143957.F654@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 02:26:49PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Flamebox now runs flame happily. It has a day-old clone of > flame which I and Andrew were able to log into successfully. > > Can people with more knowledge of the innards of flame work > towards transfering all of the flame mail stuff and making `flame` > point to flamebox? I don't know enough about how it's currently > set up to change it without breaking it in the process. > > The box is in the machine room and is running a minimal potato > install. It's mounting home directories and is running sshd. Okay, I'll try doing my transproxy hacks to it so that we can merely "telnet flame" :-) Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 14:43:38 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:07 2004 Subject: [tech] [aleph1@UNDERGROUND.ORG: [Debian] New version of bind released] Message-ID: <19991118144338.G654@yakk.net.au> Anyone feel enthusiastic? ----- Forwarded message from Aleph One ----- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:13:38 -0800 Reply-To: Aleph One From: Aleph One Subject: [Debian] New version of bind released To: BUGTRAQ@SECURITYFOCUS.COM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Debian Security Advisory security@debian.org http://www.debian.org/security/ Wichert Akkerman November 17, 1999 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The version bind that was distributed in Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 has a vulnerability in the processing of NXT records that can be used by an attacked in a Debian of Service attack or theoretically be exploited to gain access to the server. This has been fixed in version 8.2.5p5-0slink1, and we recommend that you upgrade your bind package immediately. wget url will fetch the file for you dpkg -i file.deb will install the referenced file. Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 alias slink - -------------------------------- This version of Debian was released only for Intel, the Motorola 680x0, the alpha and the Sun sparc architecture. Source archives: http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/source/bind_8.2.2p5-0slink1.diff.gz MD5 checksum: 7e869545b7fab796e264f2ac3b726030 http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/source/bind_8.2.2p5-0slink1.dsc MD5 checksum: 8dd6f2726596d6d37088309e7a42fa7c http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/source/bind_8.2.2p5.orig.tar.gz MD5 checksum: e910c207e3a419b1fdba646c28ee3102 Alpha architecture: http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/binary-alpha/bind_8.2.2p5-0slink1_alpha.deb MD5 checksum: e7eb3c2b03963338bafc3c13bdec776f http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/binary-alpha/dnsutils_8.2.2p5-0slink1_alpha.deb MD5 checksum: e559e74e9b2ba8565974d5c21611a474 Intel ia32 architecture: http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/binary-i386/bind_8.2.2p5-0slink1_i386.deb MD5 checksum: f25811f6d69034ea64c65382e6c9717d http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/binary-i386/dnsutils_8.2.2p5-0slink1_i386.deb MD5 checksum: ce8a20f23ec3246cab484776652a18a4 Motorola 680x0 architecture: http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/binary-m68k/bind_8.2.2p5-0slink1_m68k.deb MD5 checksum: f7e4c91d75bbd03325cfa666a3da35d7 http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/binary-m68k/dnsutils_8.2.2p5-0slink1_m68k.deb MD5 checksum: 388f6dbae6ce8e897dfd636e4b3f15c6 Sun Sparc architecture: http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/binary-sparc/bind_8.2.2p5-0slink1_sparc.deb MD5 checksum: adf299fcdc50c8db77b5b3f462633b0f http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/binary-sparc/dnsutils_8.2.2p5-0slink1_sparc.deb MD5 checksum: 89d1729caf15d6b51e2e5f8b6fccf5c4 These files will be moved into ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/*/binary-$arch/ soon. For not yet released architectures please refer to the appropriate directory ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/binary-$arch/ . - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- For apt-get: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable updates For dpkg-ftp: ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security dists/stable/updates Mailing list: debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQB1AwUBODHox6jZR/ntlUftAQGObQMArSjE2L3p9nQBbgBplHhrBytufFlwtlY6 HhFdjxnCmqMpD1sxpLr//fuRL84/IhLorLbKw/Yfz7FP9q5gF5cAgtzLrmbGuZmd tVpkEo+mA6LZKKccPIRCo6+wutCPx5/q =ep8N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 14:44:15 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:07 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox Message-ID: OK... cool... wanna tell us who weren't involved in the discussion, why this was done..? To alleviate some of Moray's maladies..? Cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 14:50:08 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:08 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19991118145008.A3398@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 02:44:15PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > OK... cool... wanna tell us who weren't involved in the discussion, why > this was done..? To alleviate some of Moray's maladies..? I think the idea was to give the flame project a bit more flexibility and independance from moray. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 15:02:32 1999 From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:08 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox Message-ID: <199911180702.PAA18089@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:50:08 +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: >On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 02:44:15PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: >> OK... cool... wanna tell us who weren't involved in the discussion, why >> this was done..? To alleviate some of Moray's maladies..? > >I think the idea was to give the flame project a bit more flexibility and >independance from moray. Which I disagree with, as I've said. And Ian - this is a few days old copy, not a current one. Please don't hack the DNS to point 'flame' to 'flamebox' until everything is settled, and we can switch over properly in one hit... Andrew From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 15:09:55 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:08 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox In-Reply-To: <199911180702.PAA18089@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <199911180702.PAA18089@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991118150954.B3398@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 03:02:32PM +0800, Andrew Williams wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:50:08 +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > > >On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 02:44:15PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > >> OK... cool... wanna tell us who weren't involved in the discussion, why > >> this was done..? To alleviate some of Moray's maladies..? > > > >I think the idea was to give the flame project a bit more flexibility and > >independance from moray. > > Which I disagree with, as I've said. Why is that (and I don't think I've heard you say it)? > And Ian - this is a few days old > copy, not a current one. Please don't hack the DNS to point 'flame' to > 'flamebox' until everything is settled, and we can switch over properly > in one hit... I know. I know. I would rather break the proto-flame with my hacks than the live one though. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 15:14:21 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:08 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox Message-ID: At 2:34 PM 18/11/99, Andrew Williams wrote: >I'd like to see all of moray's functions transferred to the new >hardware, and moray retired. If flame runs on a machine dedicated to >flame, it's not going to survive for very long - people will rip the >hardware apart, or just not bother fixing it as soon (or ever) if it >fails. A P100 with 32Mb of RAM is way gruntier than moray is now, it >would improve things all round... Indeed it would ... care to reply to my question, Ben..? Cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 15:25:23 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:08 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox In-Reply-To: <19991118150954.B3398@yakk.net.au> References: <199911180702.PAA18089@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118150954.B3398@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <19991118152523.C3398@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 03:09:55PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 03:02:32PM +0800, Andrew Williams wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:50:08 +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > > > > >On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 02:44:15PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > > >> OK... cool... wanna tell us who weren't involved in the discussion, why > > >> this was done..? To alleviate some of Moray's maladies..? > > > > > >I think the idea was to give the flame project a bit more flexibility and > > >independance from moray. > > > > Which I disagree with, as I've said. > > Why is that (and I don't think I've heard you say it)? Oh, I just did. Yes, I do agree with you, but if flame _does_ need a seperate box, then UCC should be providing it. Its one of the few active projects at UCC. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From barnes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 15:35:38 1999 From: barnes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Barnaby Brown) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:08 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox In-Reply-To: <19991118152523.C3398@yakk.net.au> from Ian McKellar at "Nov 18, 1999 03:25:23 pm" Message-ID: <199911180735.PAA12275@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Live from the Palace Hotel Ballroom, Ian McKellar wrote: > > Yes, I do agree with you, but if flame _does_ need a seperate box, then UCC > should be providing it. Its one of the few active projects at UCC. Flame's resource requirements are next to minimal. It does currently use about 2 megs of memory, and as for CPU power, in the five days that it has been running since last reboot, it's used eight and a half minutes of moray's CPU time. That does make it the second highest ongoing process on moray - the highest is fingerd. Flame just needs to be on a box which is left alone, and not slagged to death by other things *coughpythoncough*. Barnes From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 15:41:25 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:09 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray Message-ID: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> Okay, It looks like the general(ish) consensus is that flamebox should become the new moray. I suggest on it we run: o Dispense o Flame o Postfix (instead of sendmail) o Berolist/Minimalist/Somerandomlist (instead of mailman) I'm going down to set up the mail stuff on flamebox now so that we can test it for a bit. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 16:09:06 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:09 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au>; from yakk@yakk.net.au on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 03:41:25PM +0800 References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <19991118160906.A12527@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 18, Ian McKellar scrawled : > Okay, > > It looks like the general(ish) consensus is that flamebox should become the > new moray. I suggest on it we run: > o Dispense > o Flame > o Postfix (instead of sendmail) > o Berolist/Minimalist/Somerandomlist (instead of mailman) > > I'm going down to set up the mail stuff on flamebox now so that we can test > it for a bit. In case my earlier emails have confused people: - flamebox has now been renamed to mooneye (from Barnes' m-fish list) - mooneye is a Pentium 100 with a 400Mb hard drive and 32Mb of RAM. Sorry if I've been confusing, -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 16:21:21 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:09 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118160906.A12527@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118160906.A12527@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991118162121.E3398@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:09:06PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > On Nov 18, Ian McKellar scrawled : > > > Okay, > > > > It looks like the general(ish) consensus is that flamebox should become the > > new moray. I suggest on it we run: > > o Dispense > > o Flame > > o Postfix (instead of sendmail) > > o Berolist/Minimalist/Somerandomlist (instead of mailman) > > > > I'm going down to set up the mail stuff on flamebox now so that we can test > > it for a bit. > > In case my earlier emails have confused people: > - flamebox has now been renamed to mooneye (from Barnes' m-fish list) > - mooneye is a Pentium 100 with a 400Mb hard drive and 32Mb of RAM. Its now beginning to run Postfix and Berolist. Postfix is good because its secure, fast, backwards compatible with sendmail and easy to configure. Berolist is looking very good. Its designed to be fast, and the config file is a simple text file. I'm just trying to work out how to subscribe to lists :-) Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 16:30:21 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:09 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au>; from Ian McKellar on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 03:41:25PM +0800 References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 03:41:25PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > Okay, > > It looks like the general(ish) consensus is that flamebox should become the > new moray. I suggest on it we run: Excellent idea. I'll help where possible. > o Dispense Including door and coke serial ports. > o Flame o bind o FMS client o SOCKS (4 and 5?) o TACACS auth server o Charged telnet tunnel o telnat (telnetd running on port 222) o Hacked login so non-wheel group members can't log in o doorlogger (in /usr/local/sbin, started from /etc/rc.boot) o vimotd o Cron jobs to mail vital UCC data out o Apache? o Anything I've missed? > o Postfix (instead of sendmail) > o Berolist/Minimalist/Somerandomlist (instead of mailman) > > I'm going down to set up the mail stuff on flamebox now so that we can test > it for a bit. Careful with those ones. If you want them, make the changeover smooooooth. I'd call the postfix change unnecessary but hopefully harmless. I'd expect mailman would be happier on mooneye, but if you want to try something else go ahead. Converting the old mail archives ought to be possible, too. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 16:42:57 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:09 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991118164257.G3398@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:30:21PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 03:41:25PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > > Okay, > > > > It looks like the general(ish) consensus is that flamebox should become the > > new moray. I suggest on it we run: > > Excellent idea. I'll help where possible. > > > o Dispense > > Including door and coke serial ports. > > > o Flame > o bind I'll have a go at this. > o FMS client Ben, could you have a poke at this (note: there are a couple of users that were added by various debian packages to the end of /etc/(passwd|shadow). > o SOCKS (4 and 5?) > o TACACS auth server > o Charged telnet tunnel > o telnat (telnetd running on port 222) > o Hacked login so non-wheel group members can't log in One option for this is not to run a telnetd at all, and simply run an SSHd for wheel members to get in. I think just about everyone in wheel uses ssh these days, and there are clients for just about every OS. Then nice thing about SSHd is that we can (afaik) specify which groups can and can't log in. > o doorlogger (in /usr/local/sbin, started from /etc/rc.boot) This is related to dispense, and the serial ports right? > o vimotd Nick, whats involved in setting this up? > o Cron jobs to mail vital UCC data out I think thats mostly individual wheel members' projects > o Apache? Its installed. I'll have to take a look at the moray config to see what its actually _doing_ :-) > o Anything I've missed? > > > o Postfix (instead of sendmail) > > o Berolist/Minimalist/Somerandomlist (instead of mailman) > > > > I'm going down to set up the mail stuff on flamebox now so that we can test > > it for a bit. > > Careful with those ones. If you want them, make the changeover smooooooth. > I'd call the postfix change unnecessary but hopefully harmless. I'd expect > mailman would be happier on mooneye, but if you want to try something > else go ahead. Converting the old mail archives ought to be possible, too. The reason I want to install postfix is that I don't like sendmail. Call me a homophobe, but sendmail.cf files get on my nerves - I don't grok them, and I don't like being confused. I've been running postfix at home (which given the number of mailing lists I'm on counts as a mid-sized site) and I've found it to be excellent. Its designed as a drop in replacement for sendmail - with security in mind. Its license is okay, it supports user+extension@host, it does Maildir, and its generally cool. Berolist is seeming cooler and cooler the more I play with it. For a start its small (43k tarball), and simple, and written in C. The config files are sane, and theres a minimalist web interface. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From dunc at rcpt.to Thu Nov 18 16:43:41 1999 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:09 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:30:21PM +0800 References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991118164341.E11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Nick Bannon wrote on Thu November 18, at 16:30 +0800: > I'd call the postfix change unnecessary but hopefully harmless. I'd disagree, sendmail really is a dog. My opinion is that we should replace sendmail/mailman with postfix/*burp* and keep moray going as a 486. A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't! ,dunc From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 16:47:57 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:10 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118164341.E11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164341.E11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991118164757.H3398@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:43:41PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > Nick Bannon wrote on Thu November 18, at 16:30 +0800: > > I'd call the postfix change unnecessary but hopefully harmless. > > I'd disagree, sendmail really is a dog. My opinion is that we should > replace sendmail/mailman with postfix/*burp* and keep moray going as a > 486. A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't! Well, once we've got a replacement moray "system" (where system includes hardware and software) we can see how it runs and consider transplanting its harddrive back into moray's original hardware. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 16:55:45 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:10 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray Message-ID: So.. the bit that I'm missing, and no-one has bothered to allude to, is that 'flamebox' is the Pentium system that disappeared suddenly..? Cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 17:01:55 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:10 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray Message-ID: That's actually a monumentally sane idea. Does anyone have any recommendations for a schedule to cut over NFS to my I2..? i.e. IRIX doesn't grok UFS... so we'll need to move the data off the disks, make XFS filesystems upon them, and move the data back. Irix will tentatively talk to an Exabyte... which'll be slightly faster/more reliable than a DAT. /home will fit on an Exabyte. Failing that, can anyone score a DLT for an evening.. or a spare 18GB SCSI disk..? Cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 17:01:56 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:10 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118164757.H3398@yakk.net.au>; from Ian McKellar on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:47:57PM +0800 References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164341.E11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164757.H3398@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <19991118170155.L10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:47:57PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:43:41PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > > I'd disagree, sendmail really is a dog. My opinion is that we should > > replace sendmail/mailman with postfix/*burp* and keep moray going as a Well, we've never had _performance_ problems with sendmail - and even if it's hard to configure it's fully featured, well documented and proven. (A proven cause of root-level security holes mind you, but not recently. ::-) ) postfix does sound worth a shot, as Ian's said. > > 486. A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't! > > Well, once we've got a replacement moray "system" (where system includes > hardware and software) we can see how it runs and consider transplanting its > harddrive back into moray's original hardware. It ought to be possible... but since the new box also has twice the RAM, (up to) twice the CPU and better serial ports, it's probably happier where it is. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 17:05:12 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:10 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118170155.L10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164341.E11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164757.H3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118170155.L10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991118170512.J3398@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 05:01:56PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:47:57PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:43:41PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > > > I'd disagree, sendmail really is a dog. My opinion is that we should > > > replace sendmail/mailman with postfix/*burp* and keep moray going as a > > Well, we've never had _performance_ problems with sendmail - and even > if it's hard to configure it's fully featured, well documented and > proven. (A proven cause of root-level security holes mind you, but not > recently. ::-) ) > > postfix does sound worth a shot, as Ian's said. The great thing about postfix being a drop in replacement for sendmail is that if we get sick of it we can drop sendmail back in (so long as we don't end up using the cool postfix features). Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 17:12:53 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:11 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118164257.G3398@yakk.net.au>; from Ian McKellar on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:42:57PM +0800 References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164257.G3398@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <19991118171252.M10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:42:57PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:30:21PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: [...] > > o telnat (telnetd running on port 222) > > o Hacked login so non-wheel group members can't log in > One option for this is not to run a telnetd at all, and simply run an SSHd > for wheel members to get in. I think just about everyone in wheel uses ssh > these days, and there are clients for just about every OS. Then nice thing > about SSHd is that we can (afaik) specify which groups can and can't log in. That sounds good. The charged telnet tunnel is still important, though, and if anyone ever feels like figuring out how to do a charged ssh tunnel, that'd be worthwhile. > > o doorlogger (in /usr/local/sbin, started from /etc/rc.boot) > > This is related to dispense, and the serial ports right? Yes, it should run on the machine with the serial ports and dispense server. Nothing depends on it, but it's good to have accurate door logs. > > o vimotd > > Nick, whats involved in setting this up? [...] /home/wheel/docs/ChangingTheMOTD One thing I missed: o Make sure syslog sends coke logs to loghost (mola) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Nov 18 17:31:34 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:11 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118171252.M10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164257.G3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118171252.M10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991118173134.K3398@yakk.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 05:12:53PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:42:57PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:30:21PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > [...] > > > o telnat (telnetd running on port 222) > > > o Hacked login so non-wheel group members can't log in > > One option for this is not to run a telnetd at all, and simply run an SSHd > > for wheel members to get in. I think just about everyone in wheel uses ssh > > these days, and there are clients for just about every OS. Then nice thing > > about SSHd is that we can (afaik) specify which groups can and can't log in. > > That sounds good. The charged telnet tunnel is still important, though, Yes. > and if anyone ever feels like figuring out how to do a charged ssh tunnel, > that'd be worthwhile. Well, now that theres OpenSSH.... Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 17:32:41 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:11 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: ; from David Manchester on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 05:01:55PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <19991118173240.N10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 05:01:55PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: [moray's services -> mooneye] > That's actually a monumentally sane idea. > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a schedule to cut over NFS to my I2..? Yeesh. Only that we be monumentally slow and careful. No matter which way you cut it, it concerns me to have the only copy of home directories and mail on a user machine - and your box is too well spec'ed not to be a user machine. Do you want to set it up as a user machine and NFS client first? > i.e. IRIX doesn't grok UFS... so we'll need to move the data off the disks, > make XFS filesystems upon them, and move the data back. > Irix will tentatively talk to an Exabyte... which'll be slightly > faster/more reliable than a DAT. /home will fit on an Exabyte. > Failing that, can anyone score a DLT for an evening.. or a spare 18GB SCSI > disk..? I don't know why Irix would be picky about which SCSI tape drives it talks to... but yes I can lend us a DLT. (which will be nice, fast and big enough to do the whole lot in one go) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From dunc at rcpt.to Thu Nov 18 17:38:47 1999 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:11 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118164757.H3398@yakk.net.au>; from yakk@yakk.net.au on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:47:57PM +0800 References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164341.E11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164757.H3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118170155.L10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164341.E11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164757.H3398@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <19991118173847.G11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Ian McKellar wrote on Thu November 18, at 16:47 +0800: > Well, once we've got a replacement moray "system" (where system includes > hardware and software) we can see how it runs and consider transplanting its > harddrive back into moray's original hardware. I like this idea. Nick Bannon wrote on Thu November 18, at 17:01 +0800: > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:47:57PM +0800, Ian McKellar wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:43:41PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > > > I'd disagree, sendmail really is a dog. My opinion is that we should > > > replace sendmail/mailman with postfix/*burp* and keep moray going as a > > Well, we've never had _performance_ problems with sendmail - and even > if it's hard to configure it's fully featured, well documented and > proven. (A proven cause of root-level security holes mind you, but not > recently. ::-) ) I distinctly recall many mail performance issues over the years. Don't you remember numerous mailing list problems caused by sendmail, the rounds of mailbox corruption, the stupid queueing algorithm requiring someone to run sendmail -q evey 10 minutes for any mail to get through? > > > 486. A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't! > > > > Well, once we've got a replacement moray "system" (where system includes > > hardware and software) we can see how it runs and consider transplanting its > > harddrive back into moray's original hardware. > > It ought to be possible... but since the new box also has twice the RAM, > (up to) twice the CPU and better serial ports, it's probably happier > where it is. *breaks down in frustation* But, but, but, these are the reasons why a pentium will find other uses and a 486 won't! Maybe you didn't hear me two emails ago, when I asserted that "A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't!", Look, you can see above, preceded with "> > > ", my quoted text: "A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't!". Maybe you've got ADD and keep forgetting that written in the last sentence was the phrase "A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't!". ,dunc From luyer at zip.com.au Thu Nov 18 17:54:13 1999 From: luyer at zip.com.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:11 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Bannon of "Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:01:56 +0800." <19991118170155.L10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <199911180954.UAA21153@cactus.zip.net.au> > Well, we've never had _performance_ problems with sendmail - and even > if it's hard to configure it's fully featured, well documented and > proven. (A proven cause of root-level security holes mind you, but not > recently. ::-) ) Read about the use of some 'minor' 8.8.8 holes recently? You can subvert port 25.. not quite root takeover but still useful. And the holes were silently fixed since they were thought non-harmful. David. -- David Luyer . . www.zipworld.net Network Engineer . zipworld Zip World is Phone: +61 2 9253 5704 . . proudly part of the Fax: +61 2 9247 5276 . . Pacific Internet Group Personal E-mail: david@luyer.net Personal web: www.luyer.net From dichro-mail-fd832a41 at rcpt.to Thu Nov 18 17:56:23 1999 From: dichro-mail-fd832a41 at rcpt.to (Mikolaj J. Habryn) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:11 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: David Luyer's message of "Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:54:13 +1100" References: <199911180954.UAA21153@cactus.zip.net.au> Message-ID: >>>>> "DL" == David Luyer writes: DL> Read about the use of some 'minor' 8.8.8 holes recently? You DL> can subvert port 25.. not quite root takeover but still DL> useful. And the holes were silently fixed since they were DL> thought non-harmful. David being critical of Sendmail? Alright - who are you, and what have you done with the real Luyer? m. From luyer at zip.com.au Thu Nov 18 18:02:22 1999 From: luyer at zip.com.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:12 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: Message from "Mikolaj J. Habryn" of "18 Nov 1999 20:56:23 +1100." Message-ID: <199911181002.VAA21228@cactus.zip.net.au> > >>>>> "DL" == David Luyer writes: > > DL> Read about the use of some 'minor' 8.8.8 holes recently? You > DL> can subvert port 25.. not quite root takeover but still > DL> useful. And the holes were silently fixed since they were > DL> thought non-harmful. > > David being critical of Sendmail? Alright - who are you, and what > have you done with the real Luyer? He was subverted by the 'corporate culture' as impressed by meetings with General Managers from Singapore. He is now being sent down to Melbourne for 3 days to further 'absorb' the 'corporate culture' and to spend more time 'getting to know people'. David. -- David Luyer . . www.zipworld.net Network Engineer . zipworld Zip World is Phone: +61 2 9253 5755 . . proudly part of the Fax: +61 2 9247 5276 . . Pacific Internet Group From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 18:11:40 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:12 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray Message-ID: At 5:32 PM 18/11/99, Nick Bannon wrote: >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a schedule to cut over NFS to >>my I2..? > >Yeesh. Only that we be monumentally slow and careful. No matter which >way you cut it, it concerns me to have the only copy of home directories >and mail on a user machine - and your box is too well spec'ed not to be >a user machine. Indeed... so we put a tape drive on it... like yours. I'll be all good... IRIX has some kewl backup stuff... or we could compile Amanda or some shizz, if we need it cross-platform. >Do you want to set it up as a user machine and NFS client first? Well, if we do that, then we can bolt a disk onto it and move everything across network... >> i.e. IRIX doesn't grok UFS... so we'll need to move the data off the disks, >> make XFS filesystems upon them, and move the data back. >> Irix will tentatively talk to an Exabyte... which'll be slightly >> faster/more reliable than a DAT. /home will fit on an Exabyte. >> Failing that, can anyone score a DLT for an evening.. or a spare 18GB SCSI >> disk..? >I don't know why Irix would be picky about which SCSI tape drives it >talks to... but yes I can lend us a DLT. (which will be nice, fast and >big enough to do the whole lot in one go) Think st.conf in Solaris, but worse... its much more icky. ... but yes, DLT will let us do it in one fell swoop. I'd prefer moving NFS to it first, then making it comfortable for users before we let them loose on it. Cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 18:12:07 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:12 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: <19991118173847.G11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Duncan Sargeant on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 05:38:47PM +0800 References: <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164341.E11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164757.H3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118170155.L10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164341.E11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164757.H3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118173847.G11046@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991118181207.O10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 05:38:47PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > I distinctly recall many mail performance issues over the years. > Don't you remember numerous mailing list problems caused by sendmail, > the rounds of mailbox corruption, I don't recall anything like that caused by sendmail per se... Locking problems? Anyway (how many times do I have to say it? ::-) ) give postfix a go, but be careful. > the stupid queueing algorithm > requiring someone to run sendmail -q evey 10 minutes for any mail to get > through? That's definitely a bonus of a new MTA. > > > > 486. A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't! > > > > > > Well, once we've got a replacement moray "system" (where system includes > > > hardware and software) we can see how it runs and consider transplanting its > > > harddrive back into moray's original hardware. > > > > It ought to be possible... but since the new box also has twice the RAM, > > (up to) twice the CPU and better serial ports, it's probably happier > > where it is. > > *breaks down in frustation* > > But, but, but, these are the reasons why a pentium will find other > uses and a 486 won't! Maybe you didn't hear me two emails ago, when I > asserted that "A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't!", > Look, you can see above, preceded with "> > > ", my quoted text: "A > pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't!". Maybe you've got ADD > and keep forgetting that written in the last sentence was the phrase > "A pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't!". Hang on, what are you saying here? That a pentium will find other uses ... a 486 won't? ::-) I agree, but I thought we had another Pentium to find uses for, and both moray and mako are definitely feeling the RAM pinch. More efficient software will help, but won't fix that. Regardless, it ought to work in either box. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From luyer at zip.com.au Thu Nov 18 18:17:49 1999 From: luyer at zip.com.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:12 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Bannon of "Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:12:07 +0800." <19991118181207.O10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <199911181017.VAA21419@cactus.zip.net.au> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 05:38:47PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > I distinctly recall many mail performance issues over the years. > Don't you remember numerous mailing list problems caused by sendmail, > the rounds of mailbox corruption, That's the fault of the delivery agent, not of sendmail. And most likely the fault of NFS. > the stupid queueing algorithm > requiring someone to run sendmail -q evey 10 minutes for any mail to get > through? Caused by things like 'hold expensive' and/or using a host status directory with the timeout set too long. Basically all configuration problems which your friendly sendmail expert can fix. Sendmail is the best mail transport agent. I read it on our tech pages. :P David. (that better mikolaj?) -- David Luyer . . www.zipworld.net Network Engineer . zipworld Zip World is Phone: +61 2 9253 5704 . . proudly part of the Fax: +61 2 9247 5276 . . Pacific Internet Group Personal E-mail: david@luyer.net Personal web: www.luyer.net From luyer at zip.com.au Thu Nov 18 18:20:45 1999 From: luyer at zip.com.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:12 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: Message from David Luyer of "Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:17:49 +1100." <199911181017.VAA21419@cactus.zip.net.au> Message-ID: <199911181020.VAA21449@cactus.zip.net.au> > Sendmail is the best mail transport agent. I read it on our tech pages. :P Sorry, I forgot. That's the Zip World opinion. But as part of the Pacific Internet group, I heartily recommend Post Office. One Sun with an AP1000 disk pack per 50,000 users should do the trick, and we can sell you some nice software to route your users in 50,000 user blocks to the array of servers. David. -- David Luyer . . www.zipworld.net Network Engineer . zipworld Zip World is Phone: +61 2 9253 5704 . . proudly part of the Fax: +61 2 9247 5276 . . Pacific Internet Group Personal E-mail: david@luyer.net Personal web: www.luyer.net From dichro-mail-f956bd62 at rcpt.to Thu Nov 18 18:42:24 1999 From: dichro-mail-f956bd62 at rcpt.to (Mikolaj J. Habryn) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:13 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: David Luyer's message of "Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:17:49 +1100" References: <199911181017.VAA21419@cactus.zip.net.au> Message-ID: >>>>> "DL" == David Luyer writes: DL> Sendmail is the best mail transport agent. I read it on our DL> tech pages. :P I suppose qmail is out of the question... m, who could probably generate some availability stats on dagon and enki if he felt motivated enough. From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 18:54:34 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:13 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray In-Reply-To: ; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 04:55:45PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <19991118185434.A13235@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 18, David Manchester scrawled : > So.. the bit that I'm missing, and no-one has bothered to allude to, is > that 'flamebox' is the Pentium system that disappeared suddenly..? Not as far as I know. This is a box I found buried under a heap of junk in the room and installed a harddrive in. I did all of this yesterday. So far as I know the vanishing Pentium was borrowed by Ben to become a mako upgrade? I set up the machine because it was there, it looked useful and it wasn't doing anything :) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Nov 18 19:12:15 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:13 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray Message-ID: At 6:54 PM 18/11/99, Grahame Bowland wrote: >> On Nov 18, David Manchester scrawled : > >> So.. the bit that I'm missing, and no-one has bothered to allude to, is >> that 'flamebox' is the Pentium system that disappeared suddenly..? > >Not as far as I know. This is a box I found buried under a heap of junk >in the room and installed a harddrive in. I did all of this yesterday. >So far as I know the vanishing Pentium was borrowed by Ben to become a >mako upgrade? > >I set up the machine because it was there, it looked useful and it wasn't >doing anything :) Thanks for the clarification, Grahame... and for showing some initiative. OK, so... for the third time. Where's the Ben-wants-to-upgrade-Mako Pentium gotten to..? cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Nov 19 10:17:57 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:13 2004 Subject: [tech] Mooneye Message-ID: <19991119101757.A17052@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Is mooneye doing anything important at the moment? If someone doesn't reply saying not to I'll take it down at about 12pm to mount the harddrive properly - at the moment it is not firmly bracketed to anything. See you all, -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From David.Manchester at alphawest.com.au Mon Nov 22 16:33:31 1999 From: David.Manchester at alphawest.com.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:13 2004 Subject: [tech] Be afraid, be very afraid. Message-ID: Hi all. Looks like I'm employed again. Cheers /dave David Manchester, Security Engineer, Alpha West Pty Ltd. +61 8 9429 6100 From yakk at yakk.net.au Mon Nov 22 18:18:51 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:13 2004 Subject: [tech] Be afraid, be very afraid. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19991122181850.A30069@yakk.net.au> On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 04:33:31PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > Hi all. > Looks like I'm employed again. So am I. ian@harvestroad.com.au From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 22 11:24:49 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:14 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox References: <199911180702.PAA18089@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <3838B781.1837C28F@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > Which I disagree with, as I've said. And Ian - this is a few days old > copy, not a current one. Please don't hack the DNS to point 'flame' to > 'flamebox' until everything is settled, and we can switch over properly > in one hit... > > Andrew This may be a little late but: If your main disagreement is that the flame box is going to be ripped apart because no-one cares then I would disagree. Flame is pretty popular (I can say this only having logged on about 3 times)... i think that moray will be left with mail and outside traffic processing, as it should be IMHO. Maset. From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 22 11:34:49 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:14 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164257.G3398@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <3838B9D9.4FC3E651@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> [Ian] > Call me a homophobe... Ian, you are a homophobe. Maset. From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 22 11:41:52 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:14 2004 Subject: [tech] Boxen Message-ID: <3838BB80.9BFCCDE3@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> It seems to occur to me that we have quite a few boxen. Is it possible to figure out exactly what sort of services we use as a base to our system and lump them together on 1-3 boxes. Any surplus services should be put on say the p100 and developed. We have a quite a few adequate boxes and plenty of cash to get new (or seciond hand ones... p100's are going to be very cheap) and some sort of structure worked out. Any boxes not fitting into this structure should be kicked out of the machine room and/or made into some sort of beowulf project. Maset. From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 22 11:47:15 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:14 2004 Subject: [tech] The SGIs Message-ID: <3838BCC3.968A6DB2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Has anyone done anything usefull with the /opt exported from erwin. I couldn't figure out a good way to get Netscape to work properly from it without fidling with each individual machine. Also can anyone suggest/implement a way of puting window managers onto this export drive? Maset. From yakk at yakk.net.au Tue Nov 23 00:15:58 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:14 2004 Subject: [tech] The SGIs In-Reply-To: <3838BCC3.968A6DB2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <3838BCC3.968A6DB2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991123001558.A522@yakk.net.au> On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 11:47:15AM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > Has anyone done anything usefull with the /opt exported from erwin. I > couldn't figure out a good way to get Netscape to work properly from it > without fidling with each individual machine. Also can anyone > suggest/implement a way of puting window managers onto this export > drive? But 4DWM is installed on all the SGIs. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 22 14:53:58 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:14 2004 Subject: [tech] The SGIs References: <3838BCC3.968A6DB2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991123001558.A522@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <3838E886.7EE33CBB@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> [Ian] > But 4DWM is installed on all the SGIs. But SOME people don't like 4DWM or whatever the #@$@#$#@$ that piece of shit is.... apparently. Maset. From yakk at yakk.net.au Tue Nov 23 08:23:21 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:15 2004 Subject: [tech] The SGIs In-Reply-To: <3838E886.7EE33CBB@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <3838BCC3.968A6DB2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991123001558.A522@yakk.net.au> <3838E886.7EE33CBB@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991123082321.A1920@yakk.net.au> On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 02:53:58PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > > [Ian] > > But 4DWM is installed on all the SGIs. > > But SOME people don't like 4DWM or whatever the #@$@#$#@$ that piece of > shit is.... apparently. > Surely thats THEIR problem. If people don't agree with my personal tastes in user interfaces, what right do they have to use the SGIs? :-) Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From davidb at dogmatix.rcpt.to Tue Nov 23 11:05:07 1999 From: davidb at dogmatix.rcpt.to (David Basden) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:15 2004 Subject: [tech] The SGIs In-Reply-To: <3838E886.7EE33CBB@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Anil Sharma on Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 02:53:58PM +0800 References: <3838BCC3.968A6DB2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991123001558.A522@yakk.net.au> <3838E886.7EE33CBB@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991123110507.A233@dogmatix.rcpt.to> On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 02:53:58PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > > [Ian] > > But 4DWM is installed on all the SGIs. > > But SOME people don't like 4DWM or whatever the #@$@#$#@$ that piece of > shit is.... apparently. If you're just going to run yet-another-window-manager, then what is the point of using the SGI's as opposed to yet-another-linux-box? .. D From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 22 23:22:14 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:15 2004 Subject: [tech] The SGIs References: <3838BCC3.968A6DB2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991123001558.A522@yakk.net.au> <3838E886.7EE33CBB@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991123110507.A233@dogmatix.rcpt.to> Message-ID: <38395FA6.476B8B13@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> [Dave] > If you're just going to run yet-another-window-manager, then what is > the point of using the SGI's as opposed to yet-another-linux-box? > > .. D Speed and screen size. And quake. Maset. From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 23 12:02:48 1999 From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:15 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox Message-ID: <199911230402.MAA18984@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:24:49 +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: >If your main disagreement is that the flame box is going to be ripped >apart because no-one cares then I would disagree. Flame is pretty >popular (I can say this only having logged on about 3 times)... i think >that moray will be left with mail and outside traffic processing, as it >should be IMHO. I wasn't too concerned about long-term downtime - I can complain pretty loudly once I notice flame is down. What I think will happen is incidents of the form "I just need a floppy drive for an hour, and nobody seems to be on flame right now...", or "Tripped over a power cable, but nothing bad seems to have happened, oh, it's 11pm, I need to go home...". Flame will go from averaging hundreds of days of uptime to going down regularly for a few hours, even a few days, until someone (probably me) notices. The only way to prevent that is having it on a machine that everyone needs to have up 24 hours a day, and immediately notices when it's down. Andrew From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 23 14:29:44 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:15 2004 Subject: [tech] flamebox In-Reply-To: <199911230402.MAA18984@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from andrew@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 12:02:48PM +0800 References: <199911230402.MAA18984@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991123142944.A14694@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 23, Andrew Williams scrawled : > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:24:49 +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: <.. snip ..> > (probably me) notices. The only way to prevent that is having it on a > machine that everyone needs to have up 24 hours a day, and immediately > notices when it's down. The easiest way is the Mako approach. Power the switch from the output of mooneye's power supply - then if mooneye dies it has to be fixed (or at least looked at :) (j/k) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From yakk at yakk.net.au Tue Nov 23 18:00:28 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:15 2004 Subject: [tech] The SGIs In-Reply-To: <38395FA6.476B8B13@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <3838BCC3.968A6DB2@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991123001558.A522@yakk.net.au> <3838E886.7EE33CBB@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991123110507.A233@dogmatix.rcpt.to> <38395FA6.476B8B13@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991123180028.B3019@yakk.net.au> On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 11:22:14PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > [Dave] > > > If you're just going to run yet-another-window-manager, then what is > > the point of using the SGI's as opposed to yet-another-linux-box? > > > > .. D > > Speed and screen size. And quake. Erm - and for $40-50k you can't get a PC running linux that will outrun our SGIs? Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 24 16:07:37 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:16 2004 Subject: [tech] Linux Kernel includes? Message-ID: <19991124160737.A20600@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi all, Just wondering if someone can help me with a problem that's got me stumped. I'm trying to compile the AGP module for my kernel (2.2.13) and it complains a lot when going through files in /usr/include/linux. I've just simlinked this to /usr/src/linux/include/linux but it doesn't seem to help. What stupid thing am I doing? (The compile gives *lots* of errors about undefined data types.) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From yakk at yakk.net.au Wed Nov 24 16:48:50 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:16 2004 Subject: [tech] Linux Kernel includes? In-Reply-To: <19991124160737.A20600@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991124160737.A20600@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991124164850.B5853@yakk.net.au> On Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 04:07:37PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Hi all, > > Just wondering if someone can help me with a problem that's got me stumped. > I'm trying to compile the AGP module for my kernel (2.2.13) and it complains > a lot when going through files in /usr/include/linux. I've just simlinked > this to /usr/src/linux/include/linux but it doesn't seem to help. > > What stupid thing am I doing? (The compile gives *lots* of errors about > undefined data types.) Make sure you've symlinked all the dirs from /usr/src/linux/include/ into /usr/include/. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 From dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Nov 24 16:49:50 1999 From: dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Leighton Haynes) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:16 2004 Subject: [tech] Linux Kernel includes? In-Reply-To: <19991124160737.A20600@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 04:07:37PM +0800 References: <19991124160737.A20600@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991124164950.A20796@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 04:07:37PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Hi all, > > Just wondering if someone can help me with a problem that's got me stumped. > I'm trying to compile the AGP module for my kernel (2.2.13) and it complains > a lot when going through files in /usr/include/linux. I've just simlinked > this to /usr/src/linux/include/linux but it doesn't seem to help. > > What stupid thing am I doing? (The compile gives *lots* of errors about > undefined data types.) Well my guess would be you have the wrong kernel version in /usr/src/linux/include/linux. Remember that the headers need to be for the right kernel version. The gart code will be for a specific kernel version. Leighton... -- 4th Year BE(IT) Hons. student. UCC Sysadmin. From vyxn at vyxn.net Thu Nov 25 00:38:48 1999 From: vyxn at vyxn.net (Balmik) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:16 2004 Subject: [tech] new moray References: <19991118154125.D3398@yakk.net.au> <19991118163020.K10499@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991118164257.G3398@yakk.net.au> <3838B9D9.4FC3E651@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <383C1498.D9E80D5A@vyxn.net> Anil Sharma wrote: > > [Ian] > > Call me a homophobe... > > Ian, you are a homophobe. Homophobes dont go to Heaven ;)... and i dont get what it has to do with sendmail anyway ? oh, and postfix gets my vote... its scarily fast. Balmik. (overworked, underpaid) From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ Thu Nov 25 15:02:06 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ (mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:17 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) Re: Sun Filesystem Performance Message-ID: <199911250702.PAA14631@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> -- forwarded message -- Path: news.uwa.edu.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mpx.com.au!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!newsfeed.zip.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!not-for-mail From: force Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin Subject: Re: Sun Filesystem Performance Date: 11 Nov 1999 02:05:15 GMT Organization: Zip World/Pacific Internet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <80d88r$fj$1@the-fly.zip.com.au> References: <80d774$j0p$1@carlton.cubbyhole.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zipperii.zip.com.au X-Trace: the-fly.zip.com.au 942285915 499 203.12.97.87 (11 Nov 1999 02:05:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@zipworld.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Nov 1999 02:05:15 GMT User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.12 (i686)) Xref: news.uwa.edu.au comp.sys.sun.admin:136697 Werner wrote: : You mention "file server", I'll assume you mean NFS? If so, I believe Linux's : NFS also does does asynchrous writes vs Solaris's synchronous writes. Solaris' NFS daemon actually works unlike Linux. As for performance, in the testing I've found an Ultra10/128Mb RAM, 49GB RAID5 array is approxmiatly 10-20 times faster NFS server Linux clients than a pII-450Mhz/256Mb RAM, 36GB (two 18GB U2W drives). The Solaris box would have a load < 0.5, the Linux box would have a load > 4.0. Majority of it in rpc services (not I/O wait). Yes, I was using 2.2.X, no, it's not the RAID that's speeding up the Solaris box. -- Cheers. -- end of forwarded message -- -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Nov 26 16:06:05 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:17 2004 Subject: [tech] [slawinsk@cwr.uwa.edu.au: 19in SUN Monitor up for dibs] Message-ID: <19991126160605.N31370@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> I think we want to be in on this. An IPX or two would be very handy and considerably smaller than our current SPARCs and SPARC clones... ::-) Do we want to go for some monitors as well? Comments? Can we offer a reasonable amount, say $200 of club money, plus pledges? I'll pledge $50 for a start. Nick. ----- Forwarded message from Dirk Slawinski ----- Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:50:48 +0800 (WST) From: Dirk Slawinski To: tech-contacts@uwa.edu.au Subject: 19in SUN Monitor up for dibs Dear all, I have few SUN monitors, and SUNs, that CWR would like to sell off. 1st off I'd like to get rid of a SUN GDM-1962B monitor. It was suggested that I should ask around $500.00 for it, is that about right? I also have a batch of SUN classics, SLCs, IPXs, and SUN 15/17in monitors. The SUNS have no CDROMs but some have FDAs. Please advise on $$ or wants. TTFN Dirk =:> "The Fur is out there": [Fox Mulder] /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Dirk Slawinski Centre for Water Research | | University of Western Australia | | PHONE: (08) 9387 8183 (home) one of CWR's CompSysAdmins | | : (08) 9380 3497 (CWR) | | : (08) 9380 7082 (CS) ]] | | EMAIL: slawinsk@cwr.uwa.edu.au d") | | WEB: http://www.cwr.uwa.edu.au/~slawinsk/ _(@)_ | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ <--------------------------------------------------------------------------> /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Watch for important CWR computer related information at: | | http://www.cwr.uwa.edu.au/~slawinsk/comp_support/index.html | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Nov 26 16:13:34 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:17 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: 19in SUN Monitor up for dibs In-Reply-To: ; from Dirk Slawinski on Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 03:50:48PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <19991126161334.O31370@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 03:50:48PM +0800, Dirk Slawinski wrote: > Dear all, > I have few SUN monitors, and SUNs, that CWR would like to sell off. 1st > off I'd like to get rid of a SUN GDM-1962B monitor. It was suggested that > I should ask around $500.00 for it, is that about right? I also have a > batch of SUN classics, SLCs, IPXs, and SUN 15/17in monitors. The SUNS > have no CDROMs but some have FDAs. Please advise on $$ or wants. I'd like to put in a word for the UCC - we're probably not going to be able to come up with an actual offer until Tuesday next week (regular Committee meeting), but we're interested in what's on offer. We can't offer huge amount of $$$ but we ought to be able to come up with a figure and see what that could get us. Maybe a couple of us could drop round for a look? At the least, I'd like to get us an IPX, the more memory the better. Could you to set one aside? Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From luyer at zip.com.au Fri Nov 26 16:27:36 1999 From: luyer at zip.com.au (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:17 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: 19in SUN Monitor up for dibs In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Bannon of "Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:13:34 +0800." <19991126161334.O31370@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <199911260827.TAA12582@cactus.zip.net.au> > On Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 03:50:48PM +0800, Dirk Slawinski wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have few SUN monitors, and SUNs, that CWR would like to sell off. 1st > > off I'd like to get rid of a SUN GDM-1962B monitor. UCC, beware - I have a 21" Sun monitor of similar age and a cheap 15" NEC in the office, and I'm using the 15" since it's much better. The old Sun GDM stuff has pretty strict refresh rate requirements and doesn't do either high or low resolutions (doesn't do standard low resolutions due to the low sync rates, doesn't do high resolutions since it's not up to it). There are places on the web with specs on these monitors. David. -- David Luyer . . www.zipworld.net Network Engineer . zipworld Zip World is Phone: +61 2 9253 5704 . . proudly part of the Fax: +61 2 9247 5276 . . Pacific Internet Group Personal E-mail: david@luyer.net Personal web: www.luyer.net From ian at wheat.harvestroad.com.au Fri Nov 26 16:30:55 1999 From: ian at wheat.harvestroad.com.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:18 2004 Subject: [tech] [slawinsk@cwr.uwa.edu.au: 19in SUN Monitor up for dibs] Message-ID: <19991126163055.A2350@wheat.harvestroad.com.au> ----- Forwarded message from Dirk Slawinski ----- Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:50:48 +0800 (WST) From: Dirk Slawinski X-Sender: slawinsk@flux X-Loop: technical-contacts@uwa.edu.au To: tech-contacts@uwa.edu.au Subject: 19in SUN Monitor up for dibs Dear all, I have few SUN monitors, and SUNs, that CWR would like to sell off. 1st off I'd like to get rid of a SUN GDM-1962B monitor. It was suggested that I should ask around $500.00 for it, is that about right? I also have a batch of SUN classics, SLCs, IPXs, and SUN 15/17in monitors. The SUNS have no CDROMs but some have FDAs. Please advise on $$ or wants. TTFN Dirk =:> "The Fur is out there": [Fox Mulder] /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Dirk Slawinski Centre for Water Research | | University of Western Australia | | PHONE: (08) 9387 8183 (home) one of CWR's CompSysAdmins | | : (08) 9380 3497 (CWR) | | : (08) 9380 7082 (CS) ]] | | EMAIL: slawinsk@cwr.uwa.edu.au d") | | WEB: http://www.cwr.uwa.edu.au/~slawinsk/ _(@)_ | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ <--------------------------------------------------------------------------> /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Watch for important CWR computer related information at: | | http://www.cwr.uwa.edu.au/~slawinsk/comp_support/index.html | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ----- End forwarded message ----- From mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Sat Nov 27 10:34:55 1999 From: mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:18 2004 Subject: [tech] who added these rules? Message-ID: Hi Who was the moron who added these rules on mako? 00050 deny ip from 130.95.128.65 to 130.95.13.11 00050 deny ip from 130.95.13.11 to 130.95.128.65 robots.txt is the write way to do it Yours Mark "who can now look at the UCC web site again" -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au Captain Bipto: We did win, didn't we? Blaznee: No, but if we think fast enough we might just live to lie about it. From yakk at yakk.net.au Sat Nov 27 10:55:00 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:18 2004 Subject: [tech] who added these rules? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19991127105500.C28275@yakk.net.au> On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 10:34:55AM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: > Hi > > Who was the moron who added these rules on mako? > > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.128.65 to 130.95.13.11 > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.13.11 to 130.95.128.65 > > robots.txt is the write way to do it I assume some idiot who is too slack to: 1) Discuss it with wheel and 2) Actually be aware of the robot exclusion standards. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Nov 27 13:02:34 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:18 2004 Subject: [tech] who added these rules? In-Reply-To: <19991127105500.C28275@yakk.net.au> from Ian McKellar at "Nov 27, 99 10:55:00 am" Message-ID: <199911270502.NAA22892@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 10:34:55AM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: > > Hi > > > > Who was the moron who added these rules on mako? > > > > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.128.65 to 130.95.13.11 > > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.13.11 to 130.95.128.65 > > > > robots.txt is the write way to do it > > I assume some idiot who is too slack to: > 1) Discuss it with wheel and > 2) Actually be aware of the robot exclusion standards. > Well, presumably someone in UCC and on staff... 130.95.128.65=testbox.ucs ... ..128.65=erebus.ucs So... Mark, sure you're not just getting premature dementure, or that its Luyer's legacy.? Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From ben at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Nov 27 13:28:20 1999 From: ben at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Ben Rampling) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:18 2004 Subject: [tech] who added these rules? In-Reply-To: <19991127105500.C28275@yakk.net.au> from Ian McKellar at "Nov 27, 99 10:55:00 am" Message-ID: <199911270528.NAA22955@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 10:34:55AM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: > > Hi > > > > Who was the moron who added these rules on mako? > > > > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.128.65 to 130.95.13.11 > > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.13.11 to 130.95.128.65 > > > > robots.txt is the write way to do it > > I assume some idiot who is too slack to: > 1) Discuss it with wheel and > 2) Actually be aware of the robot exclusion standards. Me, oddly enough, and we all know how stupid I am. A robots file would've almost certainly have been useless, even if a user agent specific to that spider, and no other spider, could've been divined. Regards, Ben Rampling From yakk at yakk.net.au Sat Nov 27 15:34:05 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:18 2004 Subject: [tech] who added these rules? In-Reply-To: <199911270528.NAA22955@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991127105500.C28275@yakk.net.au> <199911270528.NAA22955@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991127153405.A811@yakk.net.au> On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 01:28:20PM +0800, Ben Rampling wrote: > Me, oddly enough, and we all know how stupid I am. A robots file would've > almost certainly have been useless, even if a user agent specific to that > spider, and no other spider, could've been divined. The spider was htdig - a spider designed for the purpose of indexing local sites and intranets. Any legitimate global web crawler would have a different useragent. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Nov 27 19:44:47 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:19 2004 Subject: [tech] who added these rules? In-Reply-To: ; from mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au on Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 10:34:55AM +0800 References: Message-ID: <19991127194447.A4671@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 27, Mark Tearle scrawled : > Hi > > Who was the moron who added these rules on mako? > > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.128.65 to 130.95.13.11 > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.13.11 to 130.95.128.65 > > robots.txt is the write way to do it Not when people like me instruct their clients to ignore robots.txt files. :-) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Sat Nov 27 22:30:27 1999 From: mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:19 2004 Subject: [tech] who added these rules? In-Reply-To: <19991127194447.A4671@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Not when people like me instruct their clients to ignore > robots.txt files. :-) > Then you should be taken outside and beaten with a stick repetitively till you stop :) Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au Captain Bipto: We did win, didn't we? Blaznee: No, but if we think fast enough we might just live to lie about it. From mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au Sat Nov 27 22:52:04 1999 From: mtearle at tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:19 2004 Subject: [tech] who added these rules? In-Reply-To: <19991127153405.A811@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, David Manchester wrote: > Well, presumably someone in UCC and on staff... > 130.95.128.65=testbox.ucs ... ..128.65=erebus.ucs > Yes, I use erebus as the machine that I run my web browser on, it's amazing how slow Netscape still is on a machine that fast. On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Ben Rampling wrote: > Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:28:20 +0800 (WST) > From: Ben Rampling > To: tech@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: Re: [tech] who added these rules? > > > On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 10:34:55AM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Who was the moron who added these rules on mako? > > > > > > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.128.65 to 130.95.13.11 > > > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.13.11 to 130.95.128.65 > > > > > > robots.txt is the write way to do it ^^^ correct > > > > I assume some idiot who is too slack to: > > 1) Discuss it with wheel and > > 2) Actually be aware of the robot exclusion standards. > > Me, oddly enough, and we all know how stupid I am. A robots file would've > almost certainly have been useless, even if a user agent specific to that > spider, and no other spider, could've been divined. > > Regards, > Ben Rampling Why Ben? The code under htdig/Server.cc on erebus certainly looks like it checks the robots.txt file. To quote Chris Macdonald - "This answer was bullshit." On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, Ian McKellar wrote: > On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 01:28:20PM +0800, Ben Rampling wrote: > > Me, oddly enough, and we all know how stupid I am. A robots file would've > > almost certainly have been useless, even if a user agent specific to that > > spider, and no other spider, could've been divined. > > The spider was htdig - a spider designed for the purpose of indexing local > sites and intranets. Any legitimate global web crawler would have a different > useragent. > > Ian > Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au Captain Bipto: We did win, didn't we? Blaznee: No, but if we think fast enough we might just live to lie about it. From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Nov 28 00:35:03 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:19 2004 Subject: [tech] who added these rules? Message-ID: At 1:28 PM 27/11/99, Ben Rampling wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 27, 1999 at 10:34:55AM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: >> > Hi >> > >> > Who was the moron who added these rules on mako? >> > >> > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.128.65 to 130.95.13.11 >> > 00050 deny ip from 130.95.13.11 to 130.95.128.65 >> > >> > robots.txt is the write way to do it >> >> I assume some idiot who is too slack to: >> 1) Discuss it with wheel and >> 2) Actually be aware of the robot exclusion standards. > >Me, oddly enough, and we all know how stupid I am. A robots file would've >almost certainly have been useless, even if a user agent specific to that >spider, and no other spider, could've been divined. Well, no Ben - I wouldn't say we all know exactly how stupid you are, but we seem to be getting a good picture of how obstinate you are, and how you don't like telling people what you're up to. Thanks for the replies to the two separate e-mails asking where the Pentium machine had gone to. Not. Try and communicate a little more - I'm certain that "It was probably fucking Ben" is uttered more often than "Look at the cool stuff Ben did". Do you have any intentions towards helping iron out the wrinkles in FMS, or should we just put Packrat in wheel and have him do it properly..? Hoping that you're more altruistic than thin-skinned, /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ Mon Nov 29 09:33:25 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ (mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:19 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) FS: (BRISBANE) PentiumPro 200 CPU & Motherboard Message-ID: <199911290133.JAA29360@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> -- forwarded message -- From: "Kristof" Newsgroups: aus.ads.forsale.computers.used Subject: FS: (BRISBANE) PentiumPro 200 CPU & Motherboard Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:09:28 +1000 Lines: 5 PPro200 256k cache, heatsink & fan + AT motherboard $110 email: kristof@bit.net.auREMOVE - remove the obvious :) -- end of forwarded message -- Mermaid upgrade ? Its pretty cheap.. Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 29 10:01:35 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:20 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) FS: (BRISBANE) PentiumPro 200 CPU & Motherboard In-Reply-To: <199911290133.JAA29360@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ on Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 09:33:25AM +0800 References: <199911290133.JAA29360@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991129100135.C20590@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 09:33:25AM +0800, mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ wrote: [...] > PPro200 256k cache, heatsink & fan + AT motherboard $110 [...] > Mermaid upgrade ? Its pretty cheap.. Nah, don't really think it's worth the hassle (obtaining this, then swapping motherboards) for a mere 1.x speedup. Dual or quad PPro's you might have me - you might get up to a single Athlon performance. ::-) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 29 10:10:31 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:20 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) FS: (BRISBANE) PentiumPro 200 CPU & Motherboard In-Reply-To: <19991129100135.C20590@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Nick Bannon at "Nov 29, 99 10:01:35 am" Message-ID: <199911290210.KAA29460@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 09:33:25AM +0800, mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ wrote: > [...] > > PPro200 256k cache, heatsink & fan + AT motherboard $110 > [...] > > Mermaid upgrade ? Its pretty cheap.. > > Nah, don't really think it's worth the hassle (obtaining this, then > swapping motherboards) for a mere 1.x speedup. Dual or quad PPro's you > might have me - you might get up to a single Athlon performance. ::-) > > Nick. Mmmmkay. How's the moray replacement going ..? Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 29 16:07:04 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:20 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. Message-ID: <19991129160704.A24048@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi all, Just a quick suggestion. My home PC is a PII/400 with a Matrox G200 card. Now the Leighton has helped me get the AGP module and GLX working, it is capable of doing quite cool OpenGL graphics. >From what I've seen of the O2 my box can beat it it terms of frame rates for quite a few things. Why don't we set up a reasonably specced box - in the order of 200Mhz - and put the console outside of the machine room? Give it a G200 or G400, and let people do cool stuff (TM) with it? If it was set up properly there would be no need for people to have root access to use it effectively. Just an idea :) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 29 16:32:41 1999 From: dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Leighton Haynes) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:20 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: <19991129160704.A24048@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 04:07:04PM +0800 References: <19991129160704.A24048@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991129163241.A23832@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 04:07:04PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick suggestion. My home PC is a PII/400 with > a Matrox G200 card. Now the Leighton has helped me get > the AGP module and GLX working, it is capable of doing > quite cool OpenGL graphics. > > >From what I've seen of the O2 my box can beat it it terms > of frame rates for quite a few things. > > Why don't we set up a reasonably specced box - in the order > of 200Mhz - and put the console outside of the machine room? > Give it a G200 or G400, and let people do cool stuff (TM) with > it? If it was set up properly there would be no need for people > to have root access to use it effectively. *giggle* I've been trying to get this done for a good 2 years so far. I think the chances of it happening are vanishingly slim due to a small number of extremely vocal people who seem to be massively opposed to doing anything fun or interesting with UCC hardware. (Well, anything that negatively impacts their ability to run rc5 or seti@home, those wonderful paradigms of useless cycle wastage) Nevertheless I'd like to put support behind this idea, it should be done, and would be very useful. And don't give me crap about the SGI's being good for this sort of thing. They're not. Besides which, things like GGI and glx are good projects which we could quite possibly contribute towards. (I know i've personally started getting my head around the matrox-glx stuff, and plan on fixing bugs in it, or if i can working out the WARP stuff). But I know, it's not going to happen, I'm just going to have to keep coding from home, because UCC isn't going to get a decently specced box for coding. Well unless you plan on coding things which don't use sound.. oh, or decent keyboard and mouse handling... umm, or anything device related.. but you can code the other stuff.. graphics is fine.. umm oh wait a second.. as long as you don't need multiple frames a second you're fine. Doesn't leave much does it? The point of this.. a lot of people in the club need to understand that they're view of whats fun to program doesn't coincide with lots of other peoples. Lots of you like coding non-graphical non-sound stuff. You like fiddling with mail-readers or web-backends or whatever. Lots of us don't. UCC really should try and cater to as many people as possible. (Yep, I know, this is a pre-emptive rant, aimed at various comments which have come up every time we've had this debate, just thought i'd get in early) > Just an idea :) Hah! You should know better Graham. Ideas were outlawed in a Constitution change mid eighties, or at least appears to have been, if you check club activities in the past 10 yers :P Leighton... -- 4th Year BE(IT) Hons. student. UCC Sysadmin. From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 29 16:34:20 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:20 2004 Subject: [tech] (fwd) FS: (BRISBANE) PentiumPro 200 CPU & Motherboard In-Reply-To: <199911290210.KAA29460@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 10:10:31AM +0800 References: <19991129100135.C20590@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <199911290210.KAA29460@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991129163420.A24162@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 29, David Manchester scrawled : > > On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 09:33:25AM +0800, mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_no.spam.please_ wrote: > > [...] > > > PPro200 256k cache, heatsink & fan + AT motherboard $110 > > [...] > > > Mermaid upgrade ? Its pretty cheap.. > > > > Nah, don't really think it's worth the hassle (obtaining this, then > > swapping motherboards) for a mere 1.x speedup. Dual or quad PPro's you > > might have me - you might get up to a single Athlon performance. ::-) > > > > Nick. > > Mmmmkay. How's the moray replacement going ..? The box appears to be stable. I've mounted the harddrive semi-safely in the case, and there doesn't seem to be any reason for it not to replace moray. Its been up 6 days now, since I took it down to bracket the hard drives. I'm willing to help set it up but I don't know the details of the UCC network setup well enough. Perhaps we schedule a cleanup and take down moray and set up all to this is one fell swoop? -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 29 17:26:16 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:20 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: <19991129160704.A24048@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: One could do cool 3D stuff on the SGI's... and we already have those set up. Maset the Grandiose. ----------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 29 17:31:50 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:21 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: <19991129163241.A23832@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: > > Nevertheless I'd like to put support behind this idea, it should be done, > and would be very useful. And don't give me crap about the SGI's being good > for this sort of thing. They're not. Besides which, things like GGI and glx OK, call me a naive bastard... but why aren't the SGI's any good for this? For sound and stuff then yes I'd agree that PC hardware has a larger audience. I think we need to start moving away from server/term setup in UCC... there are more and more cheap computers out there that can be set up as console boxes. Use server for passwords/routing/mail/home directories and that should just be about it. I think there are far too many boxes in the machine room and most of these can be scrapped/upgraded/merged. The UCC has money, we should start putting some decent console boxes out there for the members to use. Maset the Grandiose. ----------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 29 19:16:04 1999 From: dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Leighton Haynes) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:21 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: ; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 05:31:50PM +0800 References: <19991129163241.A23832@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991129191604.A24684@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 05:31:50PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > > > > Nevertheless I'd like to put support behind this idea, it should be done, > > and would be very useful. And don't give me crap about the SGI's being good > > for this sort of thing. They're not. Besides which, things like GGI and glx > > OK, call me a naive bastard... but why aren't the SGI's any good for this? They're slow. Very slow. Very very slow. We still don't have decent compilers for them. Lots of the libraries aren't very well supported on them and I don't want to have to fuck about with lots of completely unrelated compatibility issues with getting it all to work with Irix. Did I mention they're slow? > For sound and stuff then yes I'd agree that PC hardware has a larger > audience. > It;s not even audience, it's an absolute shiteload easier for me to code under Linux on an x86 box than Irix on an O2. > I think we need to start moving away from server/term setup in UCC... > there are more and more cheap computers out there that can be set up as > console boxes. Use server for passwords/routing/mail/home directories and > that should just be about it. > > I think there are far too many boxes in the machine room and most of these > can be scrapped/upgraded/merged. Yes, way way too many. Can we get a list of all the boxes and what they supposedly do? Cos I have no idea what most of them do. > The UCC has money, we should start putting some decent console boxes out > there for the members to use. > Ahhh.. so you do agree with me :) Leighton... -- 4th Year BE(IT) Hons. student. UCC Sysadmin. From yakk at yakk.net.au Mon Nov 29 20:50:01 1999 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:21 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: <19991129163241.A23832@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <19991129160704.A24048@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991129163241.A23832@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991129205001.B610@yakk.net.au> On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 04:32:41PM +0800, Leighton Haynes wrote: > > #include > I think this is a _great_ idea. As I've said before, if someone who is enthused about this can work out what we should get, and what it will cost, and put together some sort of proposal, then committee can discuss it. We can't really make decisions about vauge concepts like "we should get something so that we can do console graphics under Linux". A suggestion like "lets get a G666 for mussel - it will cost $333 from Yoyodyne Computers, I pledge $50" is much more likely to get a useful response. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Fax: +61 (8) 9265 0821 / +0 (775) 205 0307 | Home: +61 (8) 9389 9152 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Nov 29 22:01:02 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:21 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: <19991129205001.B610@yakk.net.au>; from yakk@yakk.net.au on Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 08:50:01PM +0800 References: <19991129160704.A24048@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991129163241.A23832@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <19991129205001.B610@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <19991129220101.A24901@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 29, Ian McKellar scrawled : > On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 04:32:41PM +0800, Leighton Haynes wrote: > > > > #include > > > I think this is a _great_ idea. As I've said before, if someone who is > enthused about this can work out what we should get, and what it will cost, > and put together some sort of proposal, then committee can discuss it. We > can't really make decisions about vauge concepts like "we should get something > so that we can do console graphics under Linux". A suggestion like "lets get > a G666 for mussel - it will cost $333 from Yoyodyne Computers, I pledge $50" > is much more likely to get a useful response. > When I get work and have money, I'll start pledging money to things. :) As a cheap and cool option, why not have a machine room reorganisation, put Mussel near where erwin is and put the console (not the machine) outside. Then we get it a Matrox G400 (which appears to be the best supported 3D card for Linux - the nvidia stuff is apparently buggy and slow) and suddenly we have a very cool 3D coding box. The only downside is mussel might not like the load of 3D graphics and users running processes. So it would probably be smarter to have one user box rather than the mussel/mermaid duo. Then we can do cool things like this (on my machine which is under the specs of mussel): > excelsior:~/dayta/Mesa/demos> ./gears > @@Created GLX Context.. > 1295 frames in 5 seconds = 259 FPS > 1362 frames in 5.001 seconds = 272.346 FPS > 1362 frames in 5.001 seconds = 272.346 FPS Sample pricings from RTV Computers (rtv.iinet.net.au): 16Mb Matrox Millenium G200 SDRAM AGP OEM - $195 16MB Matrox Millenium G400 SGRAM AGP OEM - $255 32MB Matrox Millenium G400 Dual Display SGRAM AGP OEM - $375 See you all, -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 12:05:57 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:21 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: <19991129220101.A24901@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: Ive had a think about what I'd like to see in the way of consoles around the room: - x86 stuff: - all similar hardware, including sound and decent graphics card. - 1 FreeBSD box - 1 Windows NT box - Linux 3D box (with G400) - non x86. - Solaris box - Dec with more memory. - The SGIs The new x86 stuff has been sorely lacking. I remember ben suggesting the NT box and I think we were all in agreement to get one. A FreeBSD box will let people bitch about the OS and have a reason. The linux bux with 3D stuff has already been discussed. I want to see a solaris box. I don't think I've ever used one, and I think it would be good experience for our members. So, instead of Linux everywhere, we can have our main terminal server + compiling box : mussel, plus the 3D box as our only 'visible' linux boxes. Diversification is good, and we will have some decent stuff for members to tinker with (software wise... not hardware) and get some experience. Any suggestions? (I'd prefer to have a full discussion on the list before I start looking at prices). Maset the Grandiose. ----------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From barnes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 14:07:57 1999 From: barnes at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Barnaby Brown) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:22 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: from Anil Sharma at "Nov 30, 1999 12:05:57 pm" Message-ID: <199911300607.OAA28699@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Live from the Palace Hotel Ballroom, Anil Sharma wrote: > Ive had a think about what I'd like to see in the > way of consoles around the room: I've had a think fridge about what Anil has said here. > > - x86 stuff: > - all similar hardware, Irrelevant. Non-standardisation is the spice of life. > including sound and decent graphics card. Sure. Good idea. No use to me, but plenty of people seem to want fridge it. > - 1 FreeBSD box Absolutely. FreeBSD is useful to have. And it's such a bland flavour, most everything you learn on it is transferrable to other unixes, unlike Linux which teaches you lots of horrible Linux hacks. > - 1 Windows NT box Not useful per se, but wouldn't be such a bad thing. NT exists. We may not like that, but many people would like at least a fridge passing glance at NT, especially for career purposes. > - Linux 3D box (with G400) Whack a G400 into mermaid. > - non x86. > - Solaris box Do we have one available to users? But what do the users care anyway? Users should stay away. Superusers should gibber lots and run back to FreeBSD. Either way, we should have one. > - Dec with more memory. Does Digital Unix come under one of those cheapo not-for-profit licenses? Would do wonders to flesh out our collection. > A FreeBSD box will let people bitch about the OS and have a reason. YM "bitch about Linux and have a moral high-ground". HTH. > I want to see a solaris box. I don't think I've ever > used one, and I think it would be good experience > for our members. It would be a frightening experience fridge for most of our members, actually, but at least it's marketable. Datapoint: I sit here getting paid for doing Solaris and NT, neither of which I learnt at the UCC. Neither of which I learnt anywhere, come to think of it, but that's just me. > Maset the Grandiose. > ----------------------------------------------- > Without suffering, > how can one appreciate happiness? > And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, > without the light of hope? Barnes Without fridges, how can one apreciate defrosting? And how would we mark the depths of our drinking, without the light of the door opening? From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 14:34:34 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:22 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: <199911300607.OAA28699@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from Barnaby Brown on Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 02:07:57PM +0800 References: <199911300607.OAA28699@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991130143434.A828@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 02:07:57PM +0800, Barnaby Brown wrote: > Live from the Palace Hotel Ballroom, Anil Sharma wrote: > > Sure. Good idea. No use to me, but plenty of people seem to want fridge > it. > > > - 1 FreeBSD box > > Absolutely. FreeBSD is useful to have. And it's such a bland flavour, > most everything you learn on it is transferrable to other unixes, unlike > Linux which teaches you lots of horrible Linux hacks. I like this... we're all too scared to have a good look around Ben's FreeBSD boxen, so put one out for mass destruction. *hmm* > > - 1 Windows NT box > > Not useful per se, but wouldn't be such a bad thing. NT exists. We may > not like that, but many people would like at least a fridge passing glance > at NT, especially for career purposes. ..and for demonstrating how l0phtcrack works. > > - Linux 3D box (with G400) > > Whack a G400 into mermaid. I don't think the G400s come in PCI... > > - non x86. > > - Solaris box > > Do we have one available to users? > But what do the users care anyway? Users should stay away. Superusers > should gibber lots and run back to FreeBSD. Either way, we should have > one. The Sparc2 ? Or buy a classic from CWR. Much nicer. > > - Dec with more memory. > > Does Digital Unix come under one of those cheapo not-for-profit > licenses? Would do wonders to flesh out our collection. Yes - DU/Tru64 5.0 has a hobbyist license. Get the fscking committee to buy some more RAM.. we've got two Alphas in the clubroom.. one's got low RAM and sucketh, the other has no RAM and does nowt. > > A FreeBSD box will let people bitch about the OS and have a reason. > YM "bitch about Linux and have a moral high-ground". HTH. Yeah, the linux=UNIX malady is somewhat ill. > > I want to see a solaris box. I don't think I've ever > > used one, and I think it would be good experience > > for our members. > It would be a frightening experience fridge for most of our members, actually, > but at least it's marketable. > Datapoint: I sit here getting paid for doing Solaris and NT, neither of > which I learnt at the UCC. Neither of which I learnt anywhere, come to > think of it, but that's just me. We COULD make it a frightening experiance fridge - anyone object to a 4/330 with Solaris 2.5.1 ? :) I may very well be selling the Indigo2 RSN, which is half the reason it hasn't materialised in the machine room. IF we move NFS to something else, then mola the Sparc is probably useful as a hackbox. Cheers /dave -- / David Manchester [TDH] Netware/UNIX droid. \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 16:14:31 1999 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:22 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: ; from Anil Sharma on Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 12:05:57PM +0800 References: <19991129220101.A24901@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991130161430.O20590@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 12:05:57PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote: > Ive had a think about what I'd like to see in the > way of consoles around the room: > > - x86 stuff: > - all similar hardware, including sound and > decent graphics card. > - 1 FreeBSD box > - 1 Windows NT box > - Linux 3D box (with G400) An excellent idea, the time of which has come. The trouble in the past has been that decent multimedia desktops cost about as much as decent headless servers, but they get obselete faster and can only be used by one person at a time. I don't think we can get away without them anymore, though. > - non x86. > - Solaris box I reckon we should pick up at least one CWR machine. > - Dec with more memory. Definitely. Let's buy some while we still can. > - The SGIs Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 17:06:10 1999 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:22 2004 Subject: [tech] Console boxes. In-Reply-To: <19991130161430.O20590@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: OK, everyone so far has agreed on the idea that we should get the discussed boxen and set them up as user machines out in the club room. Does anyone have any objections to this idea? And if so... why? Maset the Grandiose. ----------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 19:41:50 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:22 2004 Subject: [tech] Estimate on console box Message-ID: <19991130194149.A29727@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Estimate for a NT/Linux GLX box ------------------------------- >From RTV (rtv.iinet.net.au) ASUS P2-00B AT P-II, P-II & Celeron. (2* AGP) $165 Intel Celeron 433A Mhz MMX CPU with 128k Cache $155 64Mb RAM (pricing unavailable) $200 (~) IBM 9.1GB Deskstar 22GXP HDD IDE $235 AOpen ATX MIDI KF45A Tower Casing 235w $90 16MB Matrox Millenium G400 Dual Display SGRAM AGP OEM $275 Creative Sound Blaster Vibra 128 PCI $55 (**SPECIAL**) Speakers (cheap set) $100 ( probably less ) Microsoft Intelli Mouse $50 ( only visible 3 button ) NetGear Tulip Card (10/100) $100 ----- $1425 ----- More expensive options ---------------------- AOpen ATX MIDI HX45 Tower Casing 235W with FDD and Extra Fan $139 32MB Matrox Millenium G400 Dual Display SGRAM AGP OEM $375 -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 19:45:02 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:23 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [committee] Estimate on console box In-Reply-To: <19991130194149.A29727@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 07:41:50PM +0800 References: <19991130194149.A29727@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <19991130194502.A29759@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 30, Grahame Bowland scrawled : > IBM 9.1GB Deskstar 22GXP HDD IDE $235 This was not much more expensive than a cheaper (and smaller drive. I put it down because we can swap the drive with another we already have and put this to something useful :) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 20:15:02 1999 From: dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Leighton Haynes) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:23 2004 Subject: [tech] another console box quote Message-ID: <19991130201502.A29949@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Ok, from Zeus Technology. All prices ex-tax. Processor: Celeron 433 126 Athlon 500 364 Memory: 64mb 210 128mb 305 M/boards: For K7 248 Epox celeron 123 GFX card: G400: 16mb 189 32mb 269 (not dual head) Snd card: Theres sound on the epox board, but i haven't got it to work in linux S3 SB-compat 33 Umm, thats the main bits.. an Athlon would be cool, for about $360 more. Leighton... -- 4th Year BE(IT) Hons. student. UCC Sysadmin. From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 20:46:29 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:23 2004 Subject: [tech] IRIX and Y2k Message-ID: <19991130204629.A30022@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> I've heard that the maths department are upgrading their SGIs from IRIX 6.5 because of Y2k issues. Should we attempt to wrangle Y2k compliance patches from SGI? See you all, -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 22:12:14 1999 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:23 2004 Subject: [tech] IRIX and Y2k Message-ID: Yes - we should attempt to wangle an irix 6.5.5 CD, if only to borrow it to upgrade our machines (and burn a copy). IRIX comes on about 10 CDs, so it might require more than one. Someone on committee puh-leese put pen to paper and talk to SGI... Cheers /dave / David Manchester, Workstation Necromancer \ Tell someone who's interested, tell someone who can keep their lunch digested Tell someone who wants your conversation, tell someone who doesn't regard you \as an argument for compulsory sterilisation." [TISM], `How Do I Love Thee?'/ From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 22:31:27 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:23 2004 Subject: [tech] IRIX and Y2k In-Reply-To: ; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 10:12:14PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <19991130223127.A30269@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Nov 30, David Manchester scrawled : > Yes - we should attempt to wangle an irix 6.5.5 CD, if only to borrow it > to upgrade our machines (and burn a copy). > > IRIX comes on about 10 CDs, so it might require more than one. > > Someone on committee puh-leese put pen to paper and talk to SGI... I have a begging letter to Apple I can reword for SGI :o) -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Nov 30 23:10:04 1999 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:18:23 2004 Subject: [tech] Letter to Sgi Message-ID: <19991130231004.A30366@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Attached is a possible letter to Sgi. If its bad then someone please fix it :-) The file was created in StarOffice and the text output is okay, but not perfect. Please ignore any misplaced space characters. -- Grahame Bowland Email: gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Web: http://users.wantree.com.au/~bowest/gmb.html -------------- next part -------------- The University Computer Club Guild of Undergraduates The University of Western Australia Sgi Computer Systems Australia Level 9, 5 Mill Street Perth Dear madam/sir, The University Computer Club has recently gained access to two Sgi machines, an O2 and an Indigo2, donated by Hammersley Iron. They are providing the club's members with valuable experience with the IRIX operating system, and are also being used for OpenGL development. We have recently learnt of Year 2000 compliance issues with IRIX 6.5. If we could be provided with access to installation media so as to upgrade to IRIX 6.5.5 we would be able to continue providing our members with access to IRIX in the future. We would return the borrowed media once we had completed the upgrade. Thankyou, ACC Murphy Executive Committee Member The University Computer Club Guild of Undergraduates The University of Western Australia