From andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jun 1 22:38:40 2000 From: andrew at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:32 2004 Subject: [tech] Box of stuff, CRO Message-ID: <200006011438.WAA23223@linseed.longtable.org> I foolishly managed to leave a cardboard box full of my tools and stuff on the benches outside UCC tonight - I realised just as I swung the bottom door shut and the lock caught. It's got a whole heap of stuff I'd hate to lose - could people turning up in the morning on friday please make sure it's safely locked away somewhere, preferably in the machine room, or where it won't get rummaged through? BTW, the CRO flags the 'acquisition' self-test on power up as failing, and says to contact a service agent. It did seem to work, but I only tested channel 1. Also, all but one of the probes seemed to have broken cores - probe leads are _extremely_ fragile, far more so than ordinary coax, because the center conductor is _very_ thin. The broken probes show very heavy 'ringing' on the test square wave from the CRO test point, the good probe shows nice square edges. Coiling probe leads up tight and wrapping a twist-tie around them is a bad way to store them... Yes, I know the CRO doesn't actually have any 'Cathode Rays' involved, but it's still a CRO as far as I'm concerned :-) Andrew From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jun 2 13:36:07 2000 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:33 2004 Subject: [tech] web server and ftp logins Message-ID: <20000602133607.A6976@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> has someone broken the web server? i am not getting updates from changing pages in my home dir. also, we are still unable to log in to mermaid and mussel via ftp ..... /Jp -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere || Avatar of Computational japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy We have what is termed a one way gateway on our house. Computers are allowed to enter, but they may not leave. From yakk at yakk.net.au Fri Jun 2 13:42:50 2000 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:33 2004 Subject: [tech] web server and ftp logins In-Reply-To: <20000602133607.A6976@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Jun 02, 2000 at 01:36:07PM +0800 References: <20000602133607.A6976@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000602134250.B12513@yakk.net.au> On Fri, Jun 02, 2000 at 01:36:07PM +0800, Jean-Paul Blaquiere wrote: > has someone broken the web server? i am not getting updates from changing pages > in my home dir. Are you sure? Have you done a shift-reload? Have you got `always check' turned on in your preferences? > also, we are still unable to log in to mermaid and mussel via ftp ..... Yes. Use morwong. Ian -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Area: +61 (8) | Home: 9389 9152 | Fax/Voice: 9260 2903 | Work: 9384 4700 From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jun 2 14:31:00 2000 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:34 2004 Subject: [tech] web server and ftp logins In-Reply-To: <20000602134250.B12513@yakk.net.au>; from yakk@yakk.net.au on Fri, Jun 02, 2000 at 01:42:50PM +0800 References: <20000602133607.A6976@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000602134250.B12513@yakk.net.au> Message-ID: <20000602143100.A7431@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jun 02, Ian McKellar scratched in indelible ink : > Have you done a shift-reload? Have you got `always check' turned on in your > preferences? > yes. i did. worked a minute or two later though .... *shrug* not a high importance thing at the moment though /Jp. -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere || Avatar of Computational japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy We have what is termed a one way gateway on our house. Computers are allowed to enter, but they may not leave. From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jun 8 18:59:35 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:34 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [committee] Minutes In-Reply-To: <20000608183301.A14471@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc@rcpt.to on Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 06:33:02PM +0800 References: <20000608183301.A14471@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000608185934.A14596@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 06:33:02PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > > gbowland: we want plan 9. General agreement, but we need at least > three boxes to achieve this. Should be able to do it with three or so 486s. I will most certainly have a go at this post-exams. It looks a cool operating system that's worth knowing about. And worthwhile for the club in that it's another OS non-members won't encounter unless they join :) -- Grahame Bowland gbowland@tartarus.uwa.edu.au http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au From maset at iinet.net.au Fri Jun 9 14:13:07 2000 From: maset at iinet.net.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:34 2004 Subject: [tech] FS:4g scsi HDD + adatec 1522? (fwd) Message-ID: Hi, Need we any more SCSI hardrives? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:35:53 +0800 From: Eric Newsgroups: iinet.ads Subject: FS:4g scsi HDD + adatec 1522? 2 seagate 4 G Hardrives, fullheight for sale $100 each ono 1 2G segate half height $50 ono 2x adaptec 1522(or is that 1542) isa scsi cards(with floppy controller) $50 each will take offers From mtearle at tearle.com Fri Jun 9 19:07:29 2000 From: mtearle at tearle.com (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:34 2004 Subject: [tech] digital stuff Message-ID: -- Mark Tearle - mark@tearle.com "I'm not afraid of storms, for I'm learning how to sail my ship." -- Louisa May Alcott (1832-88) From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jun 9 19:12:33 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:34 2004 Subject: [tech] Morwong/disks Message-ID: <200006091112.TAA30151@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Fed the two RZ29s to morwong... /dev/disk/4c & /dev/disk/5c. Haven't done anything with them yet. Look ma, no reboot! Cheers /dave -- David Manchester, Workstation herder and USEnet voyeur. "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware geek with a program patch & a user with an idea." UCC committee and wheel personage. mailto: mustang AT ucc.asn.au From alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jun 12 10:30:51 2000 From: alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alastair Irvine) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:34 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing Message-ID: <20000612103051.A5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> The XEmacs documentation file elisp.info (the Emacs Lisp reference) seems to be missing from /usr/share/info on all the UCC machines. Would someone care to install the relevant package? Perhaps it's in the *basesupport*.deb package, which doesn't appear to be installed on mermaid or mussel. Alternatively, we could just destroy it all and install xemacs v21. PS -- Any progress on getting the /debian mount to work again? PPS -- Anyone know of any debian mirrors within WAIX? Or (even better) a mirror of mirror.aarnet.edu.au? -- ... People who think they know everything greatly annoy those of us who do. _____________________________________________________________________ | | | -=*Alastair Irvine*=- | | System Administrator Magic:tG player, coder, RPGer, net-nut | | e-mail: alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au or alastair.irvine@usa.net | |_____________________________________________________________________| From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jun 12 12:48:31 2000 From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:35 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing In-Reply-To: <20000612103051.A5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 10:30:51AM +0800 References: <20000612103051.A5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000612124831.A11799@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > On Jun 12, Alastair Irvine scratched in indelible ink : > PS -- Any progress on getting the /debian mount to work again? > PPS -- Anyone know of any debian mirrors within WAIX? Or (even better) a > mirror of mirror.aarnet.edu.au? > he he. ftp.it.net.au and ftp.q-net.net.au both hold a significant portion of debian. q-net do not have source however, silly buggers. /Jp. -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere || Avatar of Computational japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy We have what is termed a one way gateway on our house. Computers are allowed to enter, but they may not leave. From dunc at rcpt.to Mon Jun 12 13:29:04 2000 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:35 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing In-Reply-To: <20000612103051.A5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 10:30:51AM +0800 References: <20000612103051.A5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000612132904.A52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Alastair Irvine wrote on Mon June 12, at 10:30 +0800: > PS -- Any progress on getting the /debian mount to work again? Yes, you can mount testbox.ucs.uwa.edu.au:/usr/local/ftp/mirrors This is temporary - in a few weeks it will replace the current uniwa. > PPS -- Anyone know of any debian mirrors within WAIX? Or (even better) a > mirror of mirror.aarnet.edu.au? Checking README.mirrors.txt: ftp.wa.au.debian.org /pub/linux/debian/ ftp.uwa.edu.au /mirrors/linux/debian/ ftp.tower.net.au /debian/ All these appear to be reachable with WAIX :-) As for mirroring mecca^H^H^Hmirror.aarnet, if you provide the disk space, I'll handle the rest :-) Go on, I'm sure you can scrounge 450G together in no time. ,dunc From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jun 12 13:51:22 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:35 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing In-Reply-To: <20000612132904.A52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Duncan Sargeant at "Jun 12, 2000 01:29:04 pm" Message-ID: <200006120551.NAA06553@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > ftp.wa.au.debian.org /pub/linux/debian/ > ftp.uwa.edu.au /mirrors/linux/debian/ > ftp.tower.net.au /debian/ > > All these appear to be reachable with WAIX :-) > > As for mirroring mecca^H^H^Hmirror.aarnet, if you provide the disk > space, I'll handle the rest :-) Go on, I'm sure you can scrounge 450G > together in no time. OK - so if we can get disk sorted, will UCS pay for the traffic..? I can donate a 9GB + there's 13GB of IPI disk from DaveT's machines. Could we mirror a select 25 or so GB of mirror.aarnet if its public access..? cheers /dave -- David Manchester, Workstation herder and USEnet voyeur. "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware geek with a program patch & a user with an idea." UCC committee and wheel personage. mailto: mustang AT ucc.asn.au From dunc at rcpt.to Mon Jun 12 14:25:44 2000 From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:35 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing In-Reply-To: <200006120551.NAA06553@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:51:22PM +0800 References: <20000612132904.A52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200006120551.NAA06553@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000612142544.B52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> David Manchester wrote on Mon June 12, at 13:51 +0800: > > As for mirroring mecca^H^H^Hmirror.aarnet, if you provide the disk > > space, I'll handle the rest :-) Go on, I'm sure you can scrounge 450G > > together in no time. > > OK - so if we can get disk sorted, will UCS pay for the traffic..? > I can donate a 9GB + there's 13GB of IPI disk from DaveT's machines. > > Could we mirror a select 25 or so GB of mirror.aarnet if its public > access..? Hey, I said 450G there Dave, no point doing things by fractions :-) Depending on the usefulness of what goes on the mirror to UWA and the other WA universities, its a possibility. It'd be even better if it all went in a box to go into Bankwest as per prep's idea, I'll email the parnet guys about that now. ,dunc From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jun 12 14:35:06 2000 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:35 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing In-Reply-To: <200006120551.NAA06553@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:51:22PM +0800 References: <20000612132904.A52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200006120551.NAA06553@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000612143506.C49548@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:51:22PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > > ftp.wa.au.debian.org /pub/linux/debian/ I've been using it. ::-) > > ftp.uwa.edu.au /mirrors/linux/debian/ > > ftp.tower.net.au /debian/ That's an odd one. Seems to have bo, slink and potato, but not hamm or woody. > > All these appear to be reachable with WAIX :-) > > > > As for mirroring mecca^H^H^Hmirror.aarnet, if you provide the disk > > space, I'll handle the rest :-) Go on, I'm sure you can scrounge 450G > > together in no time. > > OK - so if we can get disk sorted, will UCS pay for the traffic..? > I can donate a 9GB + there's 13GB of IPI disk from DaveT's machines. > > Could we mirror a select 25 or so GB of mirror.aarnet if its public > access..? [...] That's very tempting - I've been thinking about how that could work and the funky things we could do. The simple "give UCS a disk" is fine - if it helps us have local mirrors, that's great. Hmmm... there's another 47GB Seagate on ebay... (full height, fast SCSI). If we run it ourselves, we get to try other access methods (rsync (yay! it was running on uniwa for a while ::-) ) or Coda), or other things. Time travel FS'es have been written where you can see a snapshot of the archive at any given point in the past, or you might just keep changes for the past week. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jun 12 15:15:35 2000 From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:36 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing In-Reply-To: <20000612142544.B52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Duncan Sargeant at "Jun 12, 2000 02:25:44 pm" Message-ID: <200006120715.PAA06779@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> > Hey, I said 450G there Dave, no point doing things by fractions :-) We don't need all of Project Gutenberg, Planet Quake and TUCOWS, but there's some stuff that'd be cool locally ... > Depending on the usefulness of what goes on the mirror to UWA and the > other WA universities, its a possibility. It'd be even better if it all > went in a box to go into Bankwest as per prep's idea, I'll email the > parnet guys about that now. Hey! I said BankWest :) Yes... roll on mirror.parnet Cheers /dave -- David Manchester, Workstation herder and USEnet voyeur. "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware geek with a program patch & a user with an idea." UCC committee and wheel personage. mailto: mustang AT ucc.asn.au From alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jun 12 15:41:51 2000 From: alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alastair Irvine) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:36 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing In-Reply-To: <20000612132904.A52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc@rcpt.to on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:29:04PM +0800 References: <20000612103051.A5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000612132904.A52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000612154151.F5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Any info regarding the elisp.info problem? On Mon, 12 June, 2000 at 01:29:04PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote: > Alastair Irvine wrote on Mon June 12, at 10:30 +0800: > > PS -- Any progress on getting the /debian mount to work again? > > Yes, you can mount testbox.ucs.uwa.edu.au:/usr/local/ftp/mirrors > This is temporary - in a few weeks it will replace the current uniwa. Cool. /debian is giving "Stale NFS handle" so that will have to be dealt with before the above is mounted there. I presume testbox has NFS exported this directory to the UCC? > > > PPS -- Anyone know of any debian mirrors within WAIX? Or (even better) a > > mirror of mirror.aarnet.edu.au? > > Checking README.mirrors.txt: > > ftp.wa.au.debian.org /pub/linux/debian/ > ftp.uwa.edu.au /mirrors/linux/debian/ > ftp.tower.net.au /debian/ Thanks. Only the second one is listed on the WAIX FTP server list at . I can't see how I didn't notice it before. :-& Next to ftp.it.net.au they have ftp.au.debian.org (which is just a CNAME for mirror.aarnet.edu.au) listed instead of ftp.wa.au.debian.org, which is a CNAME for ftp.it.net.au . > > All these appear to be reachable with WAIX :-) > > As for mirroring mecca^H^H^Hmirror.aarnet, if you provide the disk > space, I'll handle the rest :-) Go on, I'm sure you can scrounge 450G > together in no time. -- ... There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. _____________________________________________________________________ | | | -=*Alastair Irvine*=- | | System Administrator Magic:tG player, coder, RPGer, net-nut | | e-mail: alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au or alastair.irvine@usa.net | |_____________________________________________________________________| From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Jun 12 22:10:51 2000 From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:36 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing In-Reply-To: <20000612143506.C49548@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 02:35:06PM +0800 References: <20000612132904.A52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200006120551.NAA06553@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000612143506.C49548@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000612221051.B54139@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 02:35:06PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:51:22PM +0800, David Manchester wrote: > > OK - so if we can get disk sorted, will UCS pay for the traffic..? > > I can donate a 9GB + there's 13GB of IPI disk from DaveT's machines. > > > > Could we mirror a select 25 or so GB of mirror.aarnet if its public > > access..? > [...] > > That's very tempting - I've been thinking about how that could work and > the funky things we could do. > > The simple "give UCS a disk" is fine - if it helps us have local > mirrors, that's great. Hmmm... there's another 47GB Seagate on ebay... > (full height, fast SCSI). > > If we run it ourselves, we get to try other access methods (rsync (yay! > it was running on uniwa for a while ::-) ) or Coda), or other things. > Time travel FS'es have been written where you can see a snapshot of the > archive at any given point in the past, or you might just keep changes > for the past week. Well, I guess the IPI disk isn't useful for transporting/setting up at Bankwest. However there's a few gig in morwong we're not using. There's a tonne of stuff it would be cool to have locally in PARNET. We just want cheap space, so we don't need SCSI. Would the box have IDE? In which case, we could contribute 20Gb of space for a minimal amount. I'm sure there'd be other people than UCC interested in a mirror.parnet idea - perhaps we could ask other interested people for disks? Supposing we can use the IPI disk (I'm just worried about the size of it), we could get 9 + 13 + 20 = 42Gb together for minimal cost, with Dave's contribution. That'd give us a lot of cool stuff :) -- Grahame Bowland - http://gbowland.ucc.asn.au From alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jun 20 14:51:47 2000 From: alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alastair Irvine) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:36 2004 Subject: [tech] XEmacs component missing In-Reply-To: <20000612154151.F5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 03:41:51PM +0800 References: <20000612103051.A5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000612132904.A52464@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000612154151.F5372@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000620145147.F26195@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, 12 June, 2000 at 03:41:51PM +0800, Alastair Irvine wrote: > Any info regarding the elisp.info problem? I've found out what the problem was. elisp.info is not the file it looked for first, but a fallback. The actual node is lispref, in /usr/info/xemacs-20.4/lispref.info*.gz . That directory is in Info-additional-search-directory-list unless that variable is overwritten, which is what had happened. -- ... .sdnahruoynoemithcumootyawevahuoygnihtelohwsihtdaeruoyfI _____________________________________________________________________ | | | -=*Alastair Irvine*=- | | System Administrator Magic:tG player, coder, RPGer, net-nut | | e-mail: alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au or alastair.irvine@usa.net | |_____________________________________________________________________| From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jun 20 16:59:31 2000 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:36 2004 Subject: [tech] Tool Cupboard Lock Message-ID: <20000620165931.A22578@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi all, Um the tool Cupboard lock isn't in a sensable place ie on the metal bit that locks the cupboard so I can't find it. If the person who last opened it could look for it. Andrew. -- "Picachu is the whore of Babylon" From yakk at yakk.net.au Thu Jun 29 13:58:54 2000 From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:20:36 2004 Subject: [tech] [labsup@student.ecel.uwa.edu.au: Junk hardware available] Message-ID: <20000629135854.B623@yakk.net.au> ----- Forwarded message from GP3 Lab Supervisor ----- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:00:08 +0800 To: webmasters@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au From: GP3 Lab Supervisor Subject: Junk hardware available Hi, We've got some junk hardware - (dead monitors, faulty keyboards, 486 parts etc.) in the GP3 computer lab that we're going to throw away - someone notified us that UCC might want some of this stuff. Its all pretty much non working, but if you'd like to pick some up for your club - please reply to this mail or just come down to the GP3 lab (on Myers St next to the Sanders building) between 9-12 or 2-5. Cheers Jarren --------------------------------------------------------------------------- GP3 Computer Laboratory Supervisor Office 9380 2198 Faculties of Economics & Commerce, Student phone 9380 1856 Education and Law Help Desk 9380 7888 Myers Street, Nedlands email:labsup@ecel.uwa.edu.au --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Ian McKellar | Email: yakk(a)yakk.net | Web: http://www.yakk.net/ Area: +61 (8) | Home: 9389 9152 | Fax/Voice: 9260 2903 | Work: 9384 4700