From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Oct  1 17:15:21 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:10 2004
Subject: [tech] hydra (uccrouter 2)
In-Reply-To: <20000921063815.F122683@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from dayta@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 06:38:15AM +0800
References: <20000921030549.R3696@yakk.net.au> <20000920204439.B147490@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20000921103000.T3696@yakk.net.au> <20000921063815.F122683@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001001171521.E4312@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 06:38:15AM +0800, Leighton Haynes wrote:
[...]
> Wonder if the drivers are
> bright enough to work out when a packets just being routed, and transfer 
> directly card->card instead of card->main memory->card ;)

There's some work going on with this at the moment ;
http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2000/Sep/3584.html

Currently, your choice is between full-on CPU-based firewalling and
routing, or simple card-to-card Fast Forwarding (which apparently
handles 100Mbps of 64byte packets just fine on a suitable machine -
a P90 may not suffice...).

This new stuff is about adding a congestion feedback machanism to
the drivers - they're currently working with tulips including the
funky 4 port DEC21143's.

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Oct  1 19:01:07 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:12 2004
Subject: [tech] test
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010011901020.18611-100000@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

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Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Oct  1 19:10:20 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:12 2004
Subject: [tech] this is another test... things are weird [nt]
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010011910090.22539-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>


Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Oct  1 19:13:16 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:12 2004
Subject: [tech] Damnit
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010011911140.22725-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

sorry for the multiple postings. I couldn't get to UCC from iinet so I
drove down here to check it out. Only I realised about halfway down that
it was probably unrelated to the UCCs network. Sure enough, UWA had a
buggered up link to outside. Then mail got a little fruity (ie it was
taking a LONG time to send messages to tech) and ssh around the network
was really really slow (so slow that I ditched them after 5 seconds of
waiting for them to connect, so I don't know if they even worked). Things
were fruity.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From dunc at rcpt.to  Sun Oct  1 19:44:09 2000
From: dunc at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:12 2004
Subject: [tech] Damnit
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010011911140.22725-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 07:13:16PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010011911140.22725-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001001194409.A23496@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> wrote on Sun October 01, at 19:13 +0800:
> sorry for the multiple postings. I couldn't get to UCC from iinet so I
> drove down here to check it out. Only I realised about halfway down that
> it was probably unrelated to the UCCs network. Sure enough, UWA had a
> buggered up link to outside. Then mail got a little fruity (ie it was
> taking a LONG time to send messages to tech) and ssh around the network
> was really really slow (so slow that I ditched them after 5 seconds of
> waiting for them to connect, so I don't know if they even worked). Things
> were fruity.

Western Power were doing some electrical work at BankWest, they stuffed
up and we ended up with no power.

I think the slowness problem is because DNS lookups slow down.  If you
use IP addresses everything should work fine :-)  The busy DNS server
doesn't like it much when most of its requests are timing out.

,dunc


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Oct  1 19:46:22 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:12 2004
Subject: [tech] Apache (was Re: [ucc] CGI and PHP4)
In-Reply-To: <20001001143848.A17892@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 02:38:48PM +0800
References: <20001001143848.A17892@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001001194622.I4312@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 02:38:48PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> Due to popular demand, CGI now works again at UCC. Or, more accurately Adam 
> bugged me about it for a while. We also have PHP4 set up - I don't know 
> PHP, so I haven't tested this. However, after breaking our apache config 
> the Debian package may or may not have added a LoadModule line :)

Erm - I guess this means webserving is back to mermaid now that it
seems a little more stable? (actually, ProxyPass tunneled via apache
from mooneye to mermaid)

mermaid had a typo in its httpd.conf, it was looking for
/services/www instead of /services/http. Fixed.

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Oct  1 20:16:14 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:13 2004
Subject: [tech] Apache (was Re: [ucc] CGI and PHP4)
In-Reply-To: <20001001194622.I4312@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 07:46:22PM +0800
References: <20001001143848.A17892@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001001194622.I4312@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001001201614.B24093@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 07:46:22PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 02:38:48PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> > Due to popular demand, CGI now works again at UCC. Or, more accurately Adam 
> > bugged me about it for a while. We also have PHP4 set up - I don't know 
> > PHP, so I haven't tested this. However, after breaking our apache config 
> > the Debian package may or may not have added a LoadModule line :)
> 
> Erm - I guess this means webserving is back to mermaid now that it
> seems a little more stable? (actually, ProxyPass tunneled via apache
> from mooneye to mermaid)
> 
> mermaid had a typo in its httpd.conf, it was looking for
> /services/www instead of /services/http. Fixed.

Ah. I blame the Debian apache-config script. I made the mistake of telling 
it to fix the conf files for PHP. Big mistake, it made it so that Apache 
couldn't even run by nuking DocumentRoot. It was me that set that incorrectly 
afterwards.

Yeah, webserving is back on mermaid. CGI runs as that user/group.

Cheers,
Grahame


From yakk at yakk.net.au  Mon Oct  2 18:44:41 2000
From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:13 2004
Subject: [tech] Apache (was Re: [ucc] CGI and PHP4)
In-Reply-To: <20001001201614.B24093@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 08:16:14PM +0800
References: <20001001143848.A17892@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001001194622.I4312@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001001201614.B24093@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001002184441.P1057@yakk.net.au>

On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 08:16:14PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 07:46:22PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 02:38:48PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> > > Due to popular demand, CGI now works again at UCC. Or, more accurately Adam 
> > > bugged me about it for a while. We also have PHP4 set up - I don't know 
> > > PHP, so I haven't tested this. However, after breaking our apache config 
> > > the Debian package may or may not have added a LoadModule line :)
> > 
> > Erm - I guess this means webserving is back to mermaid now that it
> > seems a little more stable? (actually, ProxyPass tunneled via apache
> > from mooneye to mermaid)
> > 
> > mermaid had a typo in its httpd.conf, it was looking for
> > /services/www instead of /services/http. Fixed.
> 
> Ah. I blame the Debian apache-config script. I made the mistake of telling 
> it to fix the conf files for PHP. Big mistake, it made it so that Apache 
> couldn't even run by nuking DocumentRoot. It was me that set that incorrectly 
> afterwards.
> 
> Yeah, webserving is back on mermaid. CGI runs as that user/group.

How about PHP?

Ian


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 10:42:06 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:13 2004
Subject: [tech] Manta
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010031040160.72927-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

I turned back on manta, james plugged the ethernet back into it, and I
plugged it into the BNC repeater with the cable he scrounged. A good all
round team effort :). Um... the decserver finds Manta and tries to load
off it... but times out. I copied the m300_v7_0.sys file to a file named
after the decservers ethernet address, but that didn't work.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 12:07:41 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:13 2004
Subject: [tech] Manta
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010031040160.72927-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> at "Oct 3, 2000 10:42:06 am"
Message-ID: <200010030407.MAA27892@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> I turned back on manta, james plugged the ethernet back into it, and I
> plugged it into the BNC repeater with the cable he scrounged. A good all
> round team effort :). Um... the decserver finds Manta and tries to load
> off it... but times out. I copied the m300_v7_0.sys file to a file named
> after the decservers ethernet address, but that didn't work.

Uhhhhhhh.......
Not to steal your thunder Anil, but what were you trying to do?

1) The Ethernet card in Manta is dicky.
2) The other ethernet cards on top of manta, according to Nick, are dicky.
3) m300_v7_0.sys is a console firmware update for a 3000/300<n> series
Alpha :)

So, all in all, not too useful.
We need Manta's ethernet happy for starters.

Cheers
/dave

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 12:14:17 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:13 2004
Subject: [tech] Manta
In-Reply-To: <200010030407.MAA27892@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010031213520.74913-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> 1) The Ethernet card in Manta is dicky.
> 2) The other ethernet cards on top of manta, according to Nick, are dicky.
> 3) m300_v7_0.sys is a console firmware update for a 3000/300<n> series
> Alpha :)

Awww crap.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 12:19:51 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:14 2004
Subject: [tech] Manta
In-Reply-To: <200010030407.MAA27892@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 12:07:41PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010031040160.72927-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200010030407.MAA27892@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001003121951.N4312@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 12:07:41PM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> 1) The Ethernet card in Manta is dicky.
> 2) The other ethernet cards on top of manta, according to Nick, are dicky.
[...]

I'm not sure which is which anymore... Between the three of them there
might be one which is fine. Maybe we should stick them all in for
redundancy. ::-)

It may not be the cards, it might be the physical wires from the cards
to the AUI on the back, which have no doubt been plugged and unplugged a
fair bit over time...

Don't worry about the filenames - the DECservers know enough to ask for
the right one - you can watch them do it with tcpdump. If manta's
network is up, they'll boot.

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 12:30:16 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:14 2004
Subject: [tech] Manta
In-Reply-To: <20001003121951.N4312@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Nick Bannon
 at "Oct 3, 2000 12:19:51 pm"
Message-ID: <200010030430.MAA27911@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 12:07:41PM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> > 1) The Ethernet card in Manta is dicky.
> > 2) The other ethernet cards on top of manta, according to Nick, are dicky.
> [...]
> 
> I'm not sure which is which anymore... Between the three of them there
> might be one which is fine. Maybe we should stick them all in for
> redundancy. ::-)

Presuming the CSRs are set appropriately :P

> It may not be the cards, it might be the physical wires from the cards
> to the AUI on the back, which have no doubt been plugged and unplugged a
> fair bit over time...

True enough. We've got one other example of that cable... not sure about
its condition. It might be the fscked one that Simon had to resolder one
conductor back onto the (crimp) connecter. Not too flash.

> Don't worry about the filenames - the DECservers know enough to ask for
> the right one - you can watch them do it with tcpdump. If manta's
> network is up, they'll boot.

Yes - if the appropriate file is there :)
I think the DECserver 200 is PRO801ENG.SYS or similar.

Cheers
/dave

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 13:37:44 2000
From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:14 2004
Subject: [tech] Mail on morwong
Message-ID: <20001003133744.C77749@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Bingle

Anyone been fiddling with the configuration files (esp mutt) reciently?

See Ya
Simon

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to 
philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is 
the utility of the final product."  
Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 13:43:09 2000
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:14 2004
Subject: [tech] Mail on morwong
In-Reply-To: <20001003133744.C77749@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010031340040.78351-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Simon Fryer wrote:

> Bingle
> 
> Anyone been fiddling with the configuration files (esp mutt) reciently?

Yes, I changed (or uncommented) the default domain to ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
and added color settings to it (/usr/local/etc/Muttrc). Feel free to
remove the color if it's causing you problems on non-color terms. I copied
it direct from mermaid, so I didn't think it would cause problems.

TRS-80


-- 
"There's nobody getting rich  |  TRS-80              UCC Fresher Rep
 writing software that I      |  Email:    trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
 know of" - Bill Gates, 1980  |  Web:       http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/



From dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to  Tue Oct  3 13:53:39 2000
From: dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:14 2004
Subject: [tech] Mail on morwong
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010031340040.78351-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 01:43:09PM +0800
References: <20001003133744.C77749@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010031340040.78351-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001003135339.A28666@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>

James Andrewartha wrote on Tue October 03, at 13:43 +0800:
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Simon Fryer wrote:
> 
> > Bingle
> > 
> > Anyone been fiddling with the configuration files (esp mutt) reciently?
> 
> Yes, I changed (or uncommented) the default domain to ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
> and added color settings to it (/usr/local/etc/Muttrc). Feel free to
> remove the color if it's causing you problems on non-color terms. I copied
> it direct from mermaid, so I didn't think it would cause problems.

It shouldn't.  mutt only does colour if the TERM supports colour.
Having said that, you can force it to color, but not mono :-)

,dunc


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 14:03:28 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:14 2004
Subject: [tech] dumb terms
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010031401420.28076-100000@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

I unplugged manta from the network... the screams of anguish from that
whore were disturbing the rest of the machines. I have compiled mopd onto
hydra (it is in the README) and have it running in debug mode on eth2 at
the moment. I have moved axolotl into the machine room (unplugged) to stop
the pain of anyone who might have stolen it. Also, I have plugged the
decserver directly into the DEMPR. 

Oh mop the decserver still isn't working... ill keep trying.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 14:03:34 2000
From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:15 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Mail on morwong
Message-ID: <20001003140334.B78758@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Bingle

> A while ago James Andrewartha tapped:

> On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Simon Fryer wrote:
> 
> > Anyone been fiddling with the configuration files (esp mutt) reciently?
> 
> Yes, I changed (or uncommented) the default domain to ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au

This was bad. Mutt is able to determine the host address and hence this
line was not needed to be uncommented. Have recommented this.

Colour was not a problem. Only the problem was that mutt was thinking I 
was comming from gu.uwa.edu.au, not ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au. 

I think there are some differences in the dicky debian distribution of 
death and the compile it ourself version. I have come up with the 
same problem before when compiling and configuring mutt on starfish. 

See Ya
Simon

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to 
philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is 
the utility of the final product."  
Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh



From dichro-mail-cc3f4f4 at rcpt.to  Tue Oct  3 14:39:16 2000
From: dichro-mail-cc3f4f4 at rcpt.to (Mikolaj J. Habryn)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:15 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Mail on morwong
In-Reply-To: Simon Fryer's message of "Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:03:34 +0800"
References: <20001003140334.B78758@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <87bsx21l9n.fsf@foo.optusnet.com.au>

Simon Fryer <fryers@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes:

> > A while ago James Andrewartha tapped:
> > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Simon Fryer wrote:
> > > Anyone been fiddling with the configuration files (esp mutt) reciently?
> > Yes, I changed (or uncommented) the default domain to ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
> This was bad. Mutt is able to determine the host address and hence this
> line was not needed to be uncommented. Have recommented this.

  Just thought I'd point out that had James used viw for his
modifications, this would have been picked up far more quickly... now
returning you to your regularly scheduled programming.

m.


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 15:15:11 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:15 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010031514530.28166-100000@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Is there... decserver no like files there.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 15:48:22 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:15 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010031514530.28166-100000@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> at "Oct 3, 2000 03:15:11 pm"
Message-ID: <200010030748.PAA28350@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> Is there... decserver no like files there.

Anil - WTF does the above mean?

BTW - I thought we'd decided no NFS on the router... yes? No? Maybe?

Cheers
/dave

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 15:55:52 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:15 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <200010030748.PAA28350@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:48:22PM +0800
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On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:48:22PM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
[...]
> BTW - I thought we'd decided no NFS on the router... yes? No? Maybe?

Yes, we did... I've removed it.

In order to boot things, we'll have to copy files, not mount them.
Debian updates will work just fine over HTTP.

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 16:01:03 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:15 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <20001003155552.R4312@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:55:52PM +0800
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On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:55:52PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
> Yes, we did... I've removed it.
[...]

Oh, and when I "co -l"'ed the README, we lost the recent changes
to it. Erm - when a file is read only until you check it out,
people, it's kinda a hint...

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to  Tue Oct  3 16:20:40 2000
From: dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:16 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Mail on morwong
In-Reply-To: <87bsx21l9n.fsf@foo.optusnet.com.au>; from dichro-mail-cc3f4f4@rcpt.to on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 05:39:16PM +1100
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Mikolaj J. Habryn wrote on Tue October 03, at 17:39 +1100:
> Simon Fryer <fryers@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes:
> 
> > > A while ago James Andrewartha tapped:
> > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Simon Fryer wrote:
> > > > Anyone been fiddling with the configuration files (esp mutt) reciently?
> > > Yes, I changed (or uncommented) the default domain to ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
> > This was bad. Mutt is able to determine the host address and hence this
> > line was not needed to be uncommented. Have recommented this.

Yes, the difference would be the USEDOMAIN option.  It should be
outlawed.

>   Just thought I'd point out that had James used viw for his
> modifications, this would have been picked up far more quickly... now
> returning you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Unless Luyer was lurking at the time in which case /etc/passwd would do
a striking impersonation of a mutt configuration file.

,dunc


From dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to  Tue Oct  3 16:32:10 2000
From: dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:16 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <200010030748.PAA28350@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:48:22PM +0800
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David Manchester wrote on Tue October 03, at 15:48 +0800:
> BTW - I thought we'd decided no NFS on the router... yes? No? Maybe?

I'd consider it bad juju, however NFS confusion is hardly likely to
disable the router's main function.

As a precaution though, a small ramdisk out of which everything
important runs after boot might be a good idea.  It would be neato to
mirror it with a hard disk partition. *beam*

Nick Bannon wrote on Tue October 03, at 16:01 +0800:
> Oh, and when I "co -l"'ed the README, we lost the recent changes
> to it. Erm - when a file is read only until you check it out,
> people, it's kinda a hint...

viw prevents this from occurring.  Administration tools which come out
of iiNet are necessarily stupid proof.


,dunc


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 16:41:49 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:16 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <20001003163210.B31014@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc-mail-13130EB@rcpt.to on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:32:10PM +0800
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On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:32:10PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote:
> I'd consider it bad juju, however NFS confusion is hardly likely to
> disable the router's main function.

I think it's a "not needed? get rid of it" situation... Actually, doing
the same with DNS might be wise, too - if nothing else, sshd will hang
for minutes if it can't look up names.

> As a precaution though, a small ramdisk out of which everything
> important runs after boot might be a good idea.  It would be neato to
> mirror it with a hard disk partition. *beam*

I like it.

[...]
> viw prevents this from occurring.  Administration tools which come out
> of iiNet are necessarily stupid proof.

Yeah, except our copy of viw isn't working... Bringing up the editor,
but not gaining the lock.

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From yakk at yakk.net.au  Wed Oct  4 00:53:05 2000
From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:16 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <20001003164149.T4312@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:41:49PM +0800
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On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:41:49PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:32:10PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote:
> > I'd consider it bad juju, however NFS confusion is hardly likely to
> > disable the router's main function.
> 
> I think it's a "not needed? get rid of it" situation... Actually, doing
> the same with DNS might be wise, too - if nothing else, sshd will hang
> for minutes if it can't look up names.

The real issue with NFS (as far as I see it) is that if its down the bootup
process hangs for a few minutes. This sucks. We /should/ be able to disable
reverse lookups for sshd, but I can't see where...
> 
> > As a precaution though, a small ramdisk out of which everything
> > important runs after boot might be a good idea.  It would be neato to
> > mirror it with a hard disk partition. *beam*
> 
> I like it.

I like it too. I also like the idea of running a journaled filesystem on
the root. However that hasn't happened. I'm sure if someone was enthused
it could be done.

Ian


From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 17:11:03 2000
From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:16 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <200010030748.PAA28350@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:48:22PM +0800
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Message-ID: <20001003171103.C78758@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Bingle

> A while ago David Manchester tapped:

> > Is there... decserver no like files there.
> 
> Anil - WTF does the above mean?

Anil and I had a fiddle. 

200/MC appears to boot happily - well, traffic LEDs on tranciever blink 
at the right time. 

300 Not so happy. Will look at the problem leter today or tomorrow. 

See Ya
Simon

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to 
philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is 
the utility of the final product."  
Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh


From dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to  Tue Oct  3 17:30:14 2000
From: dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:17 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <20001004005305.V1057@yakk.net.au>; from yakk@yakk.net.au on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 12:53:05AM +0800
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Ian McKellar wrote on Wed October 04, at 00:53 +0800:
> The real issue with NFS (as far as I see it) is that if its down the bootup
> process hangs for a few minutes. This sucks. We /should/ be able to disable
> reverse lookups for sshd, but I can't see where...

Hmmm, how about making it near the end of the boot sequence?  If all you
are worried about is waiting for a login on the console, ^C has
never failed for me.  And don't point home directories at NFS.

Nick Bannon wrote on Tue October 03, at 16:41 +0800:
> I think it's a "not needed? get rid of it" situation... Actually, doing
> the same with DNS might be wise, too - if nothing else, sshd will hang
> for minutes if it can't look up names.

Definately.

> > viw prevents this from occurring.  Administration tools which come out
> > of iiNet are necessarily stupid proof.
> 
> Yeah, except our copy of viw isn't working... Bringing up the editor,
> but not gaining the lock.

OK, looking at the code, you're meant to leave it locked out.  Its
intended to only be used by root, I don't know if/how it deals with
multiple people editing.  It needs a rewrite anyway ... :-)

I added some code to viw to set the author field of of the RCS file.


,dunc


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct  3 18:12:37 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:17 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <20001003173014.C31014@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc-mail-13130EB@rcpt.to on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 05:30:14PM +0800
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On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 05:30:14PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote:
> Hmmm, how about making it near the end of the boot sequence?  If all you
> are worried about is waiting for a login on the console, ^C has
> never failed for me.  And don't point home directories at NFS.

Remotely, you want the router up as fast as possible...

You can mount it in the background, but you still have to wait for
the first timeout.

[viw]
> OK, looking at the code, you're meant to leave it locked out.  Its
> intended to only be used by root, I don't know if/how it deals with
> multiple people editing.  It needs a rewrite anyway ... :-)
[...]

Ah... Yes, it might. The way to handle multiple people editing is to
leave it checked out (unlocked) most of the time and require
successfully gaining the lock to edit it.

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to  Tue Oct  3 19:29:01 2000
From: dunc-mail-13130EB at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:17 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <20001003181237.B86068@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 06:12:37PM +0800
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Nick Bannon wrote on Tue October 03, at 18:12 +0800:
> On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 05:30:14PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote:
> > Hmmm, how about making it near the end of the boot sequence?  If all you
> > are worried about is waiting for a login on the console, ^C has
> > never failed for me.  And don't point home directories at NFS.
> 
> Remotely, you want the router up as fast as possible...

You emphasise my point precisely.  By mounting NFS last, (eg
/etc/rc2.d/S99mountnfs), you have the router up? as fast as possible.

> You can mount it in the background, but you still have to wait for
> the first timeout.

ke?

? for all intents and purposes.  The only thing you can't do is login
  on the console, because we're not completely into runlevel 2, and
  those level 2 inittab entries can't be run yet.  A ^C aborts the NFS
  mounts and fixes that.

,dunc


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct  4 01:53:30 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:17 2004
Subject: [tech] CVS at UCC
Message-ID: <20001004015330.A99946@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Does anybody know how hard it would be to set up a CVS repository at UCC, 
where any user could create a module and then assign rights, etc? Can this 
be done with a sticky /var/cvs (or whatever)?

Just curious because I've started using CVS recently and am finding it very 
useful. I wouldn't mind setting this up, but if anybody has done it before 
tips would be good :)

Cheers,
Grahame


From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct  4 02:02:28 2000
From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:17 2004
Subject: [tech] MOP
Message-ID: <20001004020228.F78758@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Bingle

It should now be working on eth2 on hydra. Is not compleatly tested as I 
am not at UCC to physically reset a decserver but it should be working. 

See Ya
Simon

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to 
philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is 
the utility of the final product."  
Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct  4 02:14:27 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:17 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <20001003192901.A1550@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc-mail-13130EB@rcpt.to on Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 07:29:01PM +0800
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mopd's upgraded to version 2.5.4.

viw's not quite happy yet... README's currently locked by root, so it
won't let nick unlock/relock it (it knows it's me because I su'ed).

On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 07:29:01PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote:
> Nick Bannon wrote on Tue October 03, at 18:12 +0800:
> > Remotely, you want the router up as fast as possible...
> 
> You emphasise my point precisely.  By mounting NFS last, (eg
> /etc/rc2.d/S99mountnfs), you have the router up? as fast as possible.
[...]

Well, there's also S99rmnologin - until then, all logins should be
denied... Not exactly an insurmountable problem, to be sure, but
it's a good thing to be certain that the router has no outside
dependencies (eg by abstaining from NFS and maybe DNS).

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct  4 02:20:23 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:18 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <20001004021427.E86068@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 02:14:27AM +0800
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On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 02:14:27AM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
> mopd's upgraded to version 2.5.4.
> 
> viw's not quite happy yet... README's currently locked by root, so it
> won't let nick unlock/relock it (it knows it's me because I su'ed).

`su -' should work, surely?

Cheers,
Grahame


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct  4 02:25:57 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:18 2004
Subject: [tech] mop on hydra
In-Reply-To: <20001004022023.A101109@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 02:20:23AM +0800
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On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 02:20:23AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> `su -' should work, surely?

Well, it might, as might "ssh root@hydra", but it's not exactly
foolproof yet - fools are so ingenious. ::-)

OBTW - hydra only has internal mail set up, so it's not going to be able
to mail us yet...

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct  4 16:57:04 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:18 2004
Subject: [tech] Socks
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010041655460.122985-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Despite prevailing belief... Luyer did not break socks. I just recompiled
it on mooneye (using the --enable bits in configure) and edited the
inetd.conf file and it now works. The only machine i have tested it on is
from mermaid, ill put dante on morwong next.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From yakk at yakk.net.au  Thu Oct  5 00:53:20 2000
From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:18 2004
Subject: [tech] Socks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010041655460.122985-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 04:57:04PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010041655460.122985-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001005005320.C1057@yakk.net.au>

On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 04:57:04PM +0800, Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> wrote:
> Despite prevailing belief... Luyer did not break socks. I just recompiled
> it on mooneye (using the --enable bits in configure) and edited the
> inetd.conf file and it now works. The only machine i have tested it on is
> from mermaid, ill put dante on morwong next.

Dude, does billing work?

Ian


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct  4 17:00:26 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:18 2004
Subject: [tech] Socks
In-Reply-To: <20001005005320.C1057@yakk.net.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010041700150.122985-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> Dude, does billing work?
> 
> Ian

Syslog on mooneye seems to think so.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sat Oct  7 19:38:37 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:19 2004
Subject: [tech] socks
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010071937200.283245-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

crap crap crap.

the shared library on morwong (/usr/local/lib/libsocks5_sh.so) is
buggered. Grahame, did you do anything to the server because now it only
lets me do stuff through socksify, and how the hell did you get dante to
compile on morwong?

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sat Oct  7 20:19:48 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:19 2004
Subject: [tech] socks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010071937200.283245-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 07:38:37PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010071937200.283245-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001007201948.A283782@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 07:38:37PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote:
> crap crap crap.
> 
> the shared library on morwong (/usr/local/lib/libsocks5_sh.so) is
> buggered. Grahame, did you do anything to the server because now it only
> lets me do stuff through socksify, and how the hell did you get dante to
> compile on morwong?

Various tinkering with source files, wasn't very hard. socksify works, then?

Grahame


From alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Oct  8 12:54:07 2000
From: alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alastair Irvine)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:19 2004
Subject: [tech] Mussel's new hard drive and the 17" monitors that people brought in sometim
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0009261747510.57406-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 05:51:47PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0009261747510.57406-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001008125407.A296392@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Tue, 26 September, 2000 at 05:51:47PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote:
> I mounted mussel's new 10 gig hdd inside the case on the second IDE
> channel, freeing up the removeable drive bay.
> 
> I also tested 4 of the 17" monitors that someone (Alastair?) brought in
> one Friday night. Two had no picutre, one had lost its red gun I think,
> and the last blinks occasionally. I stuck labels (with what appears to be
> coke passwords) on them with the problem written on it. The blinking one
> is currently on mulder after its monitor died.

Since JP has been inside a monitor before (exploratory, anyone?) when he
gets back, we will organise a monitor-fixing session.  Given that 3 of the
4 I brought in are the same model, we should be able to get 2 of them
working, and maybe 3.  Anyone else interested in helping?

-- 
... Think carefully before wishing, it might just come true.
 _____________________________________________________________________ 
|                                                                     |
|  -=*Alastair Irvine*=-   <http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~alastair/>  |
|  C-monkey    Magic:tG player, coder, RPGer, net-nut, social limpet  |
|  e-mail: alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au or alastair.irvine@usa.net      |
|_____________________________________________________________________|


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct  9 10:28:39 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:19 2004
Subject: [tech] socks on morwong.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010091028040.317040-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

*sigh* there is ident running on morwong. I just cant get a client to
work.  Anyone dealt with socks on tru64 before?

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct  9 12:03:25 2000
From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:19 2004
Subject: [tech] Mussel's new hard drive and the 17" monitors that people brought in sometim
In-Reply-To: <20001008125407.A296392@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 12:54:07PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0009261747510.57406-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001008125407.A296392@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001009120325.B319047@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> On Oct 08, Alastair Irvine scratched in indelible ink :

> Since JP has been inside a monitor before (exploratory, anyone?) when he
> gets back, we will organise a monitor-fixing session.  Given that 3 of the
> 4 I brought in are the same model, we should be able to get 2 of them
> working, and maybe 3.  Anyone else interested in helping?
> 
saturdays and sunday afternoons be good.  this coming weekend?

ps.  Canberra was good :)
more details to follow when I get more than 5s of spare time :)

/Jp...
-- 
Jean-Paul Blaquiere             ||   Avatar of Computational 
   japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au   ||   Thaumaturgy
   Words are fingers that point at the moon. Once you see the moon, you no
          longer need the fingers.   -- someone, somewhere



From alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 11 12:46:17 2000
From: alastair at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alastair Irvine)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:19 2004
Subject: [tech] Mussel's new hard drive and the 17" monitors that people brought in sometim
In-Reply-To: <20001009120325.B319047@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 12:03:25PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0009261747510.57406-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001008125407.A296392@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001009120325.B319047@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001011124617.B374511@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, 09 October, 2000 at 12:03:25PM +0800, Jean-Paul Blaqui?re wrote:
> > On Oct 08, Alastair Irvine scratched in indelible ink :
> 
> > Since JP has been inside a monitor before (exploratory, anyone?) when he
> > gets back, we will organise a monitor-fixing session.  Given that 3 of the
> > 4 I brought in are the same model, we should be able to get 2 of them
> > working, and maybe 3.  Anyone else interested in helping?
> > 
> saturdays and sunday afternoons be good.  this coming weekend?

This Saturday sounds good... is there anyone else who can come in during
the afternoon and help?

-- 
... "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing
     left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."
                                   -- Antoine de Saint-Exup?ry
 _____________________________________________________________________ 
|                                                                     |
|  -=*Alastair Irvine*=-   <http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~alastair/>  |
|  C-monkey    Magic:tG player, coder, RPGer, net-nut, social limpet  |
|  e-mail: alastair@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au or alastair.irvine@usa.net      |
|_____________________________________________________________________|


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 11 14:11:14 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:20 2004
Subject: [tech] Socks, the final chapter
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001011140626.00a005d0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Whoo hoo, I got socksify working on morwong.  Well, I got runsocks working 
then made a copy called socksify.  It seems that I had the config file 
trying to do socks4 and 5, editted those bits out and all is fine and well 
in socks land :).  The runsocks code I used was the reference software and 
is in ~maset/src/socks[somethingorother].

Cheers,
Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?

"If there is hope . . . it lies in the proles" (George Orwell).
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From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 12 14:41:21 2000
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:20 2004
Subject: [tech] NCD xterms
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010121432240.417595-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Peter Dreisiger brought in three NCD 19 xterms which apparently have
bright screens. They're sitting on the couches, along with an Apple IIc
and a hub.


-- 
"There's nobody getting rich  |  TRS-80              UCC Fresher Rep
 writing software that I      |  Email:    trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
 know of" - Bill Gates, 1980  |  Web:       http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/






From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 12 14:45:32 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:21 2004
Subject: [tech] NCD xterms
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010121432240.417595-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from James Andrewartha at "Oct 12, 2000 02:41:21 pm"
Message-ID: <200010120645.OAA14551@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> Peter Dreisiger brought in three NCD 19 xterms which apparently have
> bright screens. They're sitting on the couches, along with an Apple IIc
> and a hub.

Yay... more Xterms at the UCC :)
I guess we should have a cleanup and get things ready for having things
with large monitors back on the benches.

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 12 15:24:12 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:21 2004
Subject: [tech] NCD xterms
In-Reply-To: <200010120645.OAA14551@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 02:45:32PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010121432240.417595-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200010120645.OAA14551@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001012152412.A418487@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 02:45:32PM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> > Peter Dreisiger brought in three NCD 19 xterms which apparently have
> > bright screens. They're sitting on the couches, along with an Apple IIc
> > and a hub.
> 
> Yay... more Xterms at the UCC :)
> I guess we should have a cleanup and get things ready for having things
> with large monitors back on the benches.

I spent yesterday afternoon loading various items onto the new shelving. The 
room is fairly clear now, but the shelving badly needs organisation.

We need to reorganise the machines on the benches so that they're more usable - 
at the moment some of them are wasted because you can't easily sit down at them.
So perhaps on Sunday a few of us can get together and have a bash at this? :)

Oh - Dave, any success getting IRIX onto the Indigo2? We have a monitor for it,
it'd be nice if we could have it going because it's a reasonably nice box.

Cheers,
Grahame


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 12 15:31:32 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:21 2004
Subject: [tech] NCD xterms
In-Reply-To: <20001012152412.A418487@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Grahame
 Bowland at "Oct 12, 2000 03:24:12 pm"
Message-ID: <200010120731.PAA14606@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> > Yay... more Xterms at the UCC :)
> > I guess we should have a cleanup and get things ready for having things
> > with large monitors back on the benches.
> 
> I spent yesterday afternoon loading various items onto the new shelving. The 
> room is fairly clear now, but the shelving badly needs organisation.

Good doogs.

> We need to reorganise the machines on the benches so that they're more
> usable - at the moment some of them are wasted because you can't easily
> sit down at them.

'zactly.

> So perhaps on Sunday a few of us can get together and have a bash at this? :)

Yup.

> Oh - Dave, any success getting IRIX onto the Indigo2?

Not quite. Will probably have it happy this weekend.

Cheers
/dave

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 12 20:49:34 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:21 2004
Subject: [tech] SPARC loan
Message-ID: <20001012204934.A422722@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi guys,

I have a SPARCclassic with 40Mb of RAM, a 50Mhz processor and 1Gb seagate drive.
I'll be bringing it down to uni tommorow to loan to UCC - I'll set it up as 
a user box (in the machine room). It's sitting in my room being useless.

It'll have the UCC root password and be on a firewalled IP. Just a UCC box that 
I own - please don't set it on fire :)

Cheers,
Grahame


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 12 21:40:12 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:22 2004
Subject: [tech] SPARC loan
In-Reply-To: <20001012204934.A422722@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001012213835.009e7730@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>


>It'll have the UCC root password and be on a firewalled IP. Just a UCC box 
>that
>I own - please don't set it on fire :)

Oh come on... wonder if it will burn as well as that NextStation (URL 
forgotten).

Cheers,
Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?

"If there is hope . . . it lies in the proles" (George Orwell).
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From dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 12 21:58:10 2000
From: dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Leighton Haynes)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:22 2004
Subject: [tech] SPARC loan
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001012213835.009e7730@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 09:40:12PM +0800
References: <20001012204934.A422722@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <5.0.0.25.0.20001012213835.009e7730@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001012215810.A382878@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 09:40:12PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote:
> 
> >It'll have the UCC root password and be on a firewalled IP. Just a UCC box 
> >that
> >I own - please don't set it on fire :)
> 
> Oh come on... wonder if it will burn as well as that NextStation (URL 
> forgotten).

Nah, the point to burning the NextStation was it had a magnesium casing ;)
And burning magnesium is fun :P The SparcStation won't be as good, unless
we back it with some sort of explosive material. Now, where is my copy
of the Anarchists handbook.

Leighton...

--

Part-time student. Full-time Programmer. 
Seeking the 36 hour day and the 10 hour working week.
(08) 9272 9058 (Home - like I'm ever there)
0401 335 136 (Mobile - like it's ever on)


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Oct 13 23:12:48 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:22 2004
Subject: [tech] Coke machine/serial ports
Message-ID: <20001013231248.A450811@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Ouch. It seems mooneye's other serial port has died, with the result
that it can't speak to the coke machine...

We'll need to confirm this and fix it RSN, possibly tomorrow.

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 16 11:39:31 2000
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:22 2004
Subject: [tech] NCD xterms
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010161117060.487202-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Each one is a different model; we have a pure 19, a 19r and a 19p3. The 19
and 19r both have bright screens, while the 19p3 is rather dim. They all
do tftp and mop, but only the 19r can boot from a host on a different
subnet. Grahame suggested we put them outside and mop boot them. We don't
really have space in the clubroom for them. Any suggestions?


-- 
"There's nobody getting rich  |  TRS-80              UCC Fresher Rep
 writing software that I      |  Email:    trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
 know of" - Bill Gates, 1980  |  Web:       http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 16 11:42:26 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:23 2004
Subject: [tech] NCD xterms
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010161117060.487202-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010161141120.281861-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> Each one is a different model; we have a pure 19, a 19r and a 19p3. The 19
> and 19r both have bright screens, while the 19p3 is rather dim. They all
> do tftp and mop, but only the 19r can boot from a host on a different
> subnet. Grahame suggested we put them outside and mop boot them. We don't
> really have space in the clubroom for them. Any suggestions?

Well, since mopd is running off the router... is there any problem with
subnets?  As to putting them outside, can we attach big bolts to them
first?

Oh, can they do DHCP?

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 16 11:46:39 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:23 2004
Subject: [tech] NCD xterms
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010161141120.281861-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> at "Oct 16, 2000 11:42:26 am"
Message-ID: <200010160346.LAA12118@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> > Each one is a different model; we have a pure 19, a 19r and a 19p3. The 19
> > and 19r both have bright screens, while the 19p3 is rather dim. They all
> > do tftp and mop, but only the 19r can boot from a host on a different
> > subnet. Grahame suggested we put them outside and mop boot them. We don't
> > really have space in the clubroom for them. Any suggestions?

Do we have MOP images for (any of) them?
Is did Peter "donate" or "lend" them to UCC?
If they go out there, the three-button-mouse-thief is sure to strike.

> Well, since mopd is running off the router... is there any problem with
> subnets?  As to putting them outside, can we attach big bolts to them
> first?

It depends - does the MOPd MOP to all cards, or does it "bind" to an
interfact, or what?

> Oh, can they do DHCP?

Probably. If not, bootp, which is more or less DHCP with fixed addresses :)

Cheers
/dave

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 16 11:57:40 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:23 2004
Subject: [tech] NCD xterms
In-Reply-To: <200010160346.LAA12118@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010161156140.281861-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> 
> Do we have MOP images for (any of) them?

Unsure... under xterms in /services/boot hopefully. Will need to be copied
over to hydra.

> It depends - does the MOPd MOP to all cards, or does it "bind" to an
> interfact, or what?

Can do both... currently is only on the machine room card

> > Oh, can they do DHCP?
> 
> Probably. If not, bootp, which is more or less DHCP with fixed addresses :)

Good good.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 16 12:09:36 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:23 2004
Subject: [tech] micq
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010161209020.281861-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

who broke it? i specifically tested it when I got socks back
up... recompiled micq for morwong and everything. :(.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 16 12:36:34 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:24 2004
Subject: [tech] micq
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010161209020.281861-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010161235280.281861-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> who broke it? i specifically tested it when I got socks back
> up... recompiled micq for morwong and everything. :(.

OK the morwong one is stuffed.  Mermaid is working again (mooneye had
socks5 running as cg-real... running as root works, if this is a security
issue then someone please fix it).

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct 17 17:42:17 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:24 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Mac, term server
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010171633060.16803-100000@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from griffin@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 04:36:39PM +0800
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010171633060.16803-100000@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001017174217.H400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 04:36:39PM +0800, Stephen Griffiths wrote:
> [Leon typing]
> 
> Outside UCC (in cupboard) is a brace of terminal servers, on the eats
> machine is a mac screen, in another cupboard is a portale Mac (ethernet
> socket and all). All in unknown state (at least one TS known to
> go). Enjoy.
> 
> [etx]
> 
> {stephen} 
> stuff delivered at 4:30
> >From Stephen

Thanks, Leon! I was imagining something else when you said a portable
Mac. <grin>

The Mac is an LC with a 14" screen, and the two terminal servers are
"CMC TranServer"s that look physically very like axolotyl - who did
Cisco buy the STS-10x's off?

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct 17 18:31:45 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:24 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Mac, term server
In-Reply-To: <20001017174217.H400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Nick Bannon
 at "Oct 17, 2000 05:42:17 pm"
Message-ID: <200010171031.SAA17375@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> The Mac is an LC with a 14" screen, and the two terminal servers are
> "CMC TranServer"s that look physically very like axolotyl - who did
> Cisco buy the STS-10x's off?

Dunno, but they've got a 68000 in them from the ONLY reference I can
dig up on the web - that being the resume of one of the engineers.

So, they are probably axolotl's parents, sans IOS.

Cheers
/dave

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From yakk at yakk.net.au  Wed Oct 18 04:30:01 2000
From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:24 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Mac, term server
In-Reply-To: <20001017174217.H400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:42:17PM +0800
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010171633060.16803-100000@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001017174217.H400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001018043001.F6599@yakk.net.au>

On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:42:17PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
> Thanks, Leon! I was imagining something else when you said a portable
> Mac. <grin>
> 
> The Mac is an LC with a 14" screen, and the two terminal servers are
> "CMC TranServer"s that look physically very like axolotyl - who did
> Cisco buy the STS-10x's off?

Dunno - I could find out if you care. How much do you care?

Ian


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Oct 20 01:07:42 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:24 2004
Subject: [tech] potato-proposed-updates
Message-ID: <20001020010742.S400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

There's been some security updates since Debian 2.2r0 came out -
the recommended way to get them is to apt-get thus ;

deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib non-free 

(directly from there, without a mirror)

Now - firewalling means that's not really an option for mermaid, say,
but there this is a potato-proposed-updates directory in the normal
mirror, which is where updates go pending release in Debian 2.2r1.
There was a recent nasty NIS bug in ypbind, which prompted me to
add this to mermaid/mooneye's sources.list ;
deb file:/debian/debian dists/potato-proposed-updates/

...and try an upgrade. Notes:

base-passwd wanted to rearrange UIDs
 -> denied (at least for now)
mermaid tried to update its kernel
 -> echo kernel-image-2.2.17 hold|dpkg --set-selections
mailman on mooneye updated itself rather verbosely
 -> this message can test it ::-)

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Oct 20 01:21:58 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:24 2004
Subject: [tech] test
Message-ID: <200010191721.e9JHLwG54425@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Fri Oct 20 01:21:58 WST 2000


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Oct 20 01:41:16 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:25 2004
Subject: [tech] test
Message-ID: <200010191741.e9JHfGq48168@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Fri Oct 20 01:41:16 WST 2000


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Oct 20 01:46:21 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:25 2004
Subject: [tech] mailman (was: potato-proposed-updates)
Message-ID: <20001020014621.A457150@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

This didn't get to everyone... because something happened to
mailman... ie the test mentioned below, failed.

As a workaround, I've subscribed wheel to tech@ucc - can someone who
understand how the list merging works check the current setup? (Ben?)

Nick.

----- Forwarded message from Nick Bannon <nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> -----

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:07:42 +0800
From: Nick Bannon <nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
To: tech@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
Subject: potato-proposed-updates
User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i

There's been some security updates since Debian 2.2r0 came out -
the recommended way to get them is to apt-get thus ;

deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib non-free 

(directly from there, without a mirror)

Now - firewalling means that's not really an option for mermaid, say,
but there this is a potato-proposed-updates directory in the normal
mirror, which is where updates go pending release in Debian 2.2r1.
There was a recent nasty NIS bug in ypbind, which prompted me to
add this to mermaid/mooneye's sources.list ;
deb file:/debian/debian dists/potato-proposed-updates/

...and try an upgrade. Notes:

base-passwd wanted to rearrange UIDs
 -> denied (at least for now)
mermaid tried to update its kernel
 -> echo kernel-image-2.2.17 hold|dpkg --set-selections
mailman on mooneye updated itself rather verbosely
 -> this message can test it ::-)

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Oct 20 02:04:59 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:25 2004
Subject: [wheel] [tech] mailman (was: potato-proposed-updates)
In-Reply-To: <20001020014621.A457150@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 01:46:21AM +0800
References: <20001020014621.A457150@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001020020459.T400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 01:46:21AM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
[...]
> As a workaround, I've subscribed wheel to tech@ucc - can someone who
> understand how the list merging works check the current setup? (Ben?)
[...]

I've done the same for hwc. The config option still seems to be there,
but it's not acting on it...? or is it still a hack we should re-do
against a current version? (the old one having had a security problem)

mooneye://var/lib/mailman/lists/hwc# strings config.db|grep -A 3 union
union_lists[
hardwares
wheels
committees

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From mtearle at ucs.uwa.edu.au  Fri Oct 20 02:27:09 2000
From: mtearle at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:25 2004
Subject: [tech] hello cruel world
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0010200226580.5904-100000@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>


-- 
Mark Tearle -  mtearle@ucs.uwa.edu.au
University Communication Services, The University  of  Western  Australia
Phone/Voice Mail: +61 8 9380 7950                    Fax: +61 8 9380 1109



From mtearle at tearle.com  Fri Oct 20 02:35:16 2000
From: mtearle at tearle.com (Mark Tearle)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:25 2004
Subject: [wheel] [tech] mailman (was: potato-proposed-updates)
In-Reply-To: <20001020020459.T400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0010200231570.5904-100000@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Nick Bannon wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 01:46:21AM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
> [...]
> > As a workaround, I've subscribed wheel to tech@ucc - can someone who
> > understand how the list merging works check the current setup? (Ben?)
> [...]
> 
> I've done the same for hwc. The config option still seems to be there,
> but it's not acting on it...? or is it still a hack we should re-do
> against a current version? (the old one having had a security problem)
> 
> mooneye://var/lib/mailman/lists/hwc# strings config.db|grep -A 3 union
> union_lists[
> hardwares
> wheels
> committees
> 
> Nick.
> 
I've fixed it for now, ~mtearle/mailman.patch + fixing up indents.

Once Mailman 2.0 is released RSN, I'll have a look at porting this feature 
to that version and committing the changes back to the Mailman guys, 
however there have been lots of changes in the Mailman code since 1.1

Yours
Mark
-- 
Mark Tearle - mark@tearle.com                          "You howl and listen
                                                    Listen and wait for the
                                          Echoes of angels who won't return"



From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Fri Oct 20 02:40:35 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:25 2004
Subject: [wheel] [tech] mailman (was: potato-proposed-updates)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0010200231570.5904-100000@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>; from mtearle@tearle.com on Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 02:35:16AM +0800
References: <20001020020459.T400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <Pine.LNX.4.20.0010200231570.5904-100000@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001020024035.U400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 02:35:16AM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote:
[...]
> Once Mailman 2.0 is released RSN, I'll have a look at porting this feature 
> to that version and committing the changes back to the Mailman guys, 
> however there have been lots of changes in the Mailman code since 1.1

Thanks - I've put the package on hold to prevent a repeat, but that's a
better solution. <grin>

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From mustang at ucc.asn.au.invalid  Sat Oct 21 02:15:29 2000
From: mustang at ucc.asn.au.invalid (mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:26 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) Re: Offer for StarOffice IRIX port
Message-ID: <200010201815.CAA04040@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

-- forwarded message --
Path: news.uwa.edu.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!enews.sgi.com!fido.engr.sgi.com!kzerza.americas.sgi.com!bcasavan
From: Brent Casavant <bcasavan@sgi.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.marketplace
Subject: Re: Offer for StarOffice IRIX port
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:59:22 -0500
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Mountain View, CA
Lines: 22
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.21.0010142356030.33136-100000@kzerza.americas.sgi.com>
References: <39E8B71D.8430686D@mashek.com> <39E8DF6D.79361068@heinekamp.de>
Reply-To: Brent Casavant <bcasavan@sgi.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: kzerza.americas.sgi.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
X-Trace: fido.engr.sgi.com 971585966 9553275 128.162.191.33 (15 Oct 2000 04:59:26 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: news@fido.engr.sgi.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 2000 04:59:26 GMT
X-Sender: bcasavan@kzerza.americas.sgi.com
In-Reply-To: <39E8DF6D.79361068@heinekamp.de>
Xref: news.uwa.edu.au comp.sys.sgi.marketplace:20387

On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Alias|Wavefront User wrote:

> I am just wondering why SGI themselves are not doing something like this,
> in order to offer the owners of IRIX boxes a reasonable office suite. It is
> somehow strange in my point of view, that a company which is selling boxes
> for an average of $25K is not able to track the need of their clients.

Rest assured that within hours of StarOffice being made publically
available, people within SGI downloaded the source and began working
on the port. We *do* realize this package is tremendously useful, and
hopefully you will see the benefits of their work before too long.

Brent Casavant

P.S. Before anyone asks, no I am not one of the people working on this,
so I really can't be of much help with this particular item.

-- 
Brent Casavant            bcasavan@sgi.com
Kernel Engineer           http://reality.sgi.com/bcasavan
Silicon Graphics, Inc.

-- end of forwarded message --

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Oct 22 17:36:51 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:26 2004
Subject: [tech] cokegroup/doorgroup mail
Message-ID: <20001022173650.G400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The master coke.controllers/door.controllers are now kept on mermaid,
so mooneye cannot refer to them for the cokegroup/doorgroup aliases.

Hence, copy them to ~coke after any edits, and mooneye will use them
from there, instead.

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 23 16:32:52 2000
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:26 2004
Subject: [tech] Door Works
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010231631500.82272-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Door is currently working thanks to the efforts of Mark. It involes an
Eric. Do not touch it or you will lose bodily extremities.


-- 
"There's nobody getting rich  |  TRS-80              UCC Fresher Rep
 writing software that I      |  Email:    trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
 know of" - Bill Gates, 1980  |  Web:       http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/



From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 23 16:47:27 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:26 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Door Works
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010231631500.82272-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from James Andrewartha at "Oct 23, 2000 04:32:52 pm"
Message-ID: <200010230847.e9N8lRI110339@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> Door is currently working thanks to the efforts of Mark. It involes an
> Eric. Do not touch it or you will lose bodily extremities.

Which means that we need an appropriate cable made to rescue the Eric.
What would an appropriate cable look like?

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 23 16:48:44 2000
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:26 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Door Works
In-Reply-To: <200010230847.e9N8lRI110339@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010231648001.110553-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, David Manchester wrote:

> > Door is currently working thanks to the efforts of Mark. It involes an
> > Eric. Do not touch it or you will lose bodily extremities.
> 
> Which means that we need an appropriate cable made to rescue the Eric.
> What would an appropriate cable look like?

Apparently the Eric was needed to place a load on the serial port. Cue
Mark ranting about poor quality PC serial ports.

-- 
"There's nobody getting rich  |  TRS-80              UCC Fresher Rep
 writing software that I      |  Email:    trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
 know of" - Bill Gates, 1980  |  Web:       http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/



From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 23 16:51:01 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:27 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Door Works
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010231648001.110553-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from James Andrewartha at "Oct 23, 2000 04:48:44 pm"
Message-ID: <200010230851.e9N8p1s110957@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, David Manchester wrote:
> 
> > > Door is currently working thanks to the efforts of Mark. It involes an
> > > Eric. Do not touch it or you will lose bodily extremities.
> > 
> > Which means that we need an appropriate cable made to rescue the Eric.
> > What would an appropriate cable look like?
> 
> Apparently the Eric was needed to place a load on the serial port. Cue
> Mark ranting about poor quality PC serial ports.

Oh for the love of Glub, what the hell is going on?

Mark, this sounds extremely painful - what is the blackbox expecting
& what's the PC making? I take it the Eric's providing somewhat of a 
voltage drop?

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 23 21:21:19 2000
From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:27 2004
Subject: [tech] Re: Door Works
In-Reply-To: <200010230851.e9N8p1s110957@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 04:51:01PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010231648001.110553-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200010230851.e9N8p1s110957@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001023212119.B71680@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Bingle

> A while ago David Manchester tapped:

[..]
> > Apparently the Eric was needed to place a load on the serial port. Cue
> > Mark ranting about poor quality PC serial ports.
> 
> Oh for the love of Glub, what the hell is going on?
> 
> Mark, this sounds extremely painful - what is the blackbox expecting
> & what's the PC making? I take it the Eric's providing somewhat of a 
> voltage drop?

Erics do a little more than voltage drop. I suspect that there could  be 
earthing probems. Erics provide a nice and convient way to pass current
to ground and the other data rail. Grab the DMM and go impedance checking
on the cables and connectors. 

See Ya
Simon

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to 
philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is 
the utility of the final product."  
Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh


From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 23 21:34:48 2000
From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:27 2004
Subject: [tech] Hub action - progress
Message-ID: <20001023213448.D71680@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Bingle

Hub will be a while yet. Got one of the two transistors today. Still
need to get another one. A nice and friendly 400VCE and 4A NPN Si
variety. I assume that the transistor is driven well into saturation
so speed is not a real requirement. Will see what Altronics and 
Jaycar have to offer. RS do stock one but I am not going to get the 
chance to drive up there to buy one. 

Powered up the hub from one of my bench PSU's and all the LED's came on
in the right order so I am assuming that it will work. I did not 
actually push any frames through it but the current consumption
was not excessive so I am assuming that the logic is ok. 

See Ya
Simon

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to 
philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is 
the utility of the final product."  
Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh


From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct 24 18:33:55 2000
From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:28 2004
Subject: [tech] /home
Message-ID: <20001024183355.A444389@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

/home is under 100 MB again ... dare we ask people to reduce sizes of home
dirs?

/Jp...
-- 
Jean-Paul Blaqui?re             ||   Avatar of Computational 
   japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au   ||   Thaumaturgy
   Words are fingers that point at the moon. Once you see the moon, you no
          longer need the fingers.   -- someone, somewhere



From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Oct 24 22:05:44 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:28 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
Message-ID: <20001024220544.A138445@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

We have the motherboards we need. So we need two Pentium III CPUs, 
and 128Mb of RAM times three (to get mussel to 256Mb and 128Mb for the others)

>From www.iinet.net.au/~roderick/ (RTV computers)

Component                                                           Cost
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Intel Pentium III 650MHz "E" 256k L2 on-die with SSE (100 FSB)       510
8MB Apacer PC-100 7ns SDRAM with Hyundai chips. 5 Years Warranty     275
10.2GB Qunatum Fireball LCT Hard Disk Drive                          205
AOpen KF45a ATX MIDI Tower Casing with 250w PSU                       85

So we'd be looking at around $2425 to do this. I'm sure we can better this,
anyone else care to contribute pricings? :)

Cheers,
Grahame


From davidb-ucc at rcpt.to  Tue Oct 24 22:08:58 2000
From: davidb-ucc at rcpt.to (David Basden)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:28 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..]
In-Reply-To: <20001024220544.A138445@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:05:44PM +0800
References: <20001024220544.A138445@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025010858.L4413@discordia.rcpt.to>

On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:05:44PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> We have the motherboards we need. So we need two Pentium III CPUs, 
> and 128Mb of RAM times three (to get mussel to 256Mb and 128Mb for the others)
> 
> From www.iinet.net.au/~roderick/ (RTV computers)
> 
> Component                                                           Cost
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Intel Pentium III 650MHz "E" 256k L2 on-die with SSE (100 FSB)       510
> 8MB Apacer PC-100 7ns SDRAM with Hyundai chips. 5 Years Warranty     275
> 10.2GB Qunatum Fireball LCT Hard Disk Drive                          205
> AOpen KF45a ATX MIDI Tower Casing with 250w PSU                       85
> 
> So we'd be looking at around $2425 to do this. I'm sure we can better this,
> anyone else care to contribute pricings? :)

And from someone that can spell Quantum.

bestbits.ii.net generally provides a good reference to pick up prices
on hardware in Perth.

.. D


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 00:51:14 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:28 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..]
In-Reply-To: <20001025010858.L4413@discordia.rcpt.to> from David Basden at "Oct
 25, 2000 01:08:58 am"
Message-ID: <200010241651.e9OGpEc140918@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:05:44PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> > We have the motherboards we need. So we need two Pentium III CPUs, 
> > and 128Mb of RAM times three (to get mussel to 256Mb and 128Mb for the others)
> > 
> > From www.iinet.net.au/~roderick/ (RTV computers)
> > 
> > Component                                                           Cost
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Intel Pentium III 650MHz "E" 256k L2 on-die with SSE (100 FSB)       510
> > 8MB Apacer PC-100 7ns SDRAM with Hyundai chips. 5 Years Warranty     275

    ^^^^ 
[snip]

> > So we'd be looking at around $2425 to do this. I'm sure we can better this,
> > anyone else care to contribute pricings? :)

I'd think so. I wonder how many 8MB DIMMs he sells at $275 a pop? :)

> bestbits.ii.net generally provides a good reference to pick up prices
> on hardware in Perth.

Bestbits seems to be fairly slow in updating things these days.
I don't know if Nick's given it away...
(granted I've not checked it in a while and will probably snooze rather
than load Netscape, but yeah - it pays to shop around)

Cheers
/dave

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 01:29:35 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:29 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..]
In-Reply-To: <200010241651.e9OGpEc140918@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 12:51:14AM +0800
References: <20001025010858.L4413@discordia.rcpt.to> <200010241651.e9OGpEc140918@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025012934.A128046@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 12:51:14AM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:05:44PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> > > We have the motherboards we need. So we need two Pentium III CPUs, 
> > > and 128Mb of RAM times three (to get mussel to 256Mb and 128Mb for the others)
> > > 
> > > From www.iinet.net.au/~roderick/ (RTV computers)
> > > 
> > > Component                                                           Cost
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Intel Pentium III 650MHz "E" 256k L2 on-die with SSE (100 FSB)       510
> > > 8MB Apacer PC-100 7ns SDRAM with Hyundai chips. 5 Years Warranty     275
> 
>     ^^^^ 
> [snip]
> 
> > > So we'd be looking at around $2425 to do this. I'm sure we can better this,
> > > anyone else care to contribute pricings? :)
> 
> I'd think so. I wonder how many 8MB DIMMs he sells at $275 a pop? :)

As ADI didn't see fit to come around and replace my monitor today I'm 
stuck on a 15" NEC monitor that has wierd scan rates. I've only bothered 
to make it work at 640x480 - 800x600 seems to be a strain :) That was a copy
error .. should read 128.

Cheers,
Grahame


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 02:43:13 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:29 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001024220544.A138445@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:05:44PM +0800
References: <20001024220544.A138445@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025024313.V400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:05:44PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> We have the motherboards we need. So we need two Pentium III CPUs, 
> and 128Mb of RAM times three (to get mussel to 256Mb and 128Mb for the others)
> 
> >From www.iinet.net.au/~roderick/ (RTV computers)

That'll be http://www.iinet.net.au/~roderic/ ...

> Component                                                           Cost
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Intel Pentium III 650MHz "E" 256k L2 on-die with SSE (100 FSB)       510
> 8MB Apacer PC-100 7ns SDRAM with Hyundai chips. 5 Years Warranty     275
> 10.2GB Qunatum Fireball LCT Hard Disk Drive                          205
> AOpen KF45a ATX MIDI Tower Casing with 250w PSU                       85
[...]

For hard drives - I got a 20GB IBM 5400RPM drive for $185 (current price
seems to be $199, damn that dollar ::-) ) just recently from a place in
Osborne Park ;
http://www.bestbuy.com.au/

They seem to be a bit cheaper on RAM, too ;
128MBPC133 PC133 128MB DIMM					$201.00

...and some budget cases ;
ATMIDI622 AT MIDI TOWER CASE 200W POWER SUPPLY			$38.00 
ATXMIDI1011 ATX MIDI TOWER FOR MICRO ATX MAINBOARD 200W		$58.00 
ATXMIDI6002 ATX DELUXE MIDITOWER 200W				$59.00 
ATXDESKTOP ATX DESKTOP CASE					$61.00 
ATXDELUXE DELUXE ATX 6001 MIDI TOWER CASE WITH 250W POWERSUPPLY	$64.00 
ATXMIDICOLOUR ATX SUPER MIDI CASE 250W WITH REMOVABLE		$73.00
	COLURED FRONT PANEL
ATXTOWER ATX 7001 FULL TOWER CASE 250 W				$92.00 
ATXMACMIDI ATX MACASE MIDI-TOWER 250 WATT			$112.00

The ATX desktop is enticing... or maybe we should buy decent cases for
once, perhaps even rackmount ones?

...and some of the Computerman's CPUs seem oddly cheap ;
http://www.computerman.com.au/
PENTIUM III 700MHZ 100MHZ 7.0 SLOT 1 $399.00
PENTIUM III 750MHZ 100MHZ 7.5 SLOT 1 $489.00
PENTIUM III 800MHZ 100MHZ 8.0 SLOT 1 $540.00
PENTIUM III 850MHZ 100MHZ 8.5 SLOT 1 $699.00
PENTIUM III 600MHZ KATMAI 133MHZ 4.5 SLOT 1 $335

We should stop to think what we want the new Celeron boxes to do -
maybe we can be stingier on the RAM (one 64MB stick - adding another
later is easy) or fiddle with the hard disc size. Both are console
boxes? or one's a server?

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 03:42:02 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:29 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001025024313.V400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 02:43:13AM +0800
References: <20001024220544.A138445@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001025024313.V400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025034202.A142782@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 02:43:13AM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:05:44PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> > We have the motherboards we need. So we need two Pentium III CPUs, 
> > and 128Mb of RAM times three (to get mussel to 256Mb and 128Mb for the others)
> > 
> > >From www.iinet.net.au/~roderick/ (RTV computers)
> 
> That'll be http://www.iinet.net.au/~roderic/ ...

Oops.

> > Component                                                           Cost
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Intel Pentium III 650MHz "E" 256k L2 on-die with SSE (100 FSB)       510
> > 8MB Apacer PC-100 7ns SDRAM with Hyundai chips. 5 Years Warranty     275
> > 10.2GB Qunatum Fireball LCT Hard Disk Drive                          205
> > AOpen KF45a ATX MIDI Tower Casing with 250w PSU                       85
> [...]
> 
> For hard drives - I got a 20GB IBM 5400RPM drive for $185 (current price
> seems to be $199, damn that dollar ::-) ) just recently from a place in
> Osborne Park ;
> http://www.bestbuy.com.au/
> 
> They seem to be a bit cheaper on RAM, too ;
> 128MBPC133 PC133 128MB DIMM					$201.00
> 
> ...and some budget cases ;
> ATMIDI622 AT MIDI TOWER CASE 200W POWER SUPPLY			$38.00 
> ATXMIDI1011 ATX MIDI TOWER FOR MICRO ATX MAINBOARD 200W		$58.00 
> ATXMIDI6002 ATX DELUXE MIDITOWER 200W				$59.00 
> ATXDESKTOP ATX DESKTOP CASE					$61.00 
> ATXDELUXE DELUXE ATX 6001 MIDI TOWER CASE WITH 250W POWERSUPPLY	$64.00 
> ATXMIDICOLOUR ATX SUPER MIDI CASE 250W WITH REMOVABLE		$73.00
> 	COLURED FRONT PANEL
> ATXTOWER ATX 7001 FULL TOWER CASE 250 W				$92.00 
> ATXMACMIDI ATX MACASE MIDI-TOWER 250 WATT			$112.00
> 
> The ATX desktop is enticing... or maybe we should buy decent cases for
> once, perhaps even rackmount ones?

Well, I'd get cut less while messing around inside them.

So, 2 * 61 + 2 * 399 + 3 * 201 + 2 * 199 = $1921.

We can definitely afford to do it, then. Although it's a little high 
considering we only have $3k in the bank and need to finance ODay. 
I'm in for $50 :)

> ...and some of the Computerman's CPUs seem oddly cheap ;
> http://www.computerman.com.au/
> PENTIUM III 700MHZ 100MHZ 7.0 SLOT 1 $399.00
> PENTIUM III 750MHZ 100MHZ 7.5 SLOT 1 $489.00
> PENTIUM III 800MHZ 100MHZ 8.0 SLOT 1 $540.00
> PENTIUM III 850MHZ 100MHZ 8.5 SLOT 1 $699.00
> PENTIUM III 600MHZ KATMAI 133MHZ 4.5 SLOT 1 $335
> 
> We should stop to think what we want the new Celeron boxes to do -
> maybe we can be stingier on the RAM (one 64MB stick - adding another
> later is easy) or fiddle with the hard disc size. Both are console
> boxes? or one's a server?

64MB really isn't all that much. I have 128Mb in my home machine and hit 
swap when doing large compiles and running X. I think 128MB is about the 
minimum for a console box.

Having one of the Celeron boxes in the clubroom with mussel's existing 
video card, and the other in the machine room doing something useful sounds 
good. Perhaps running squid (a few gigs of cache ought to be enough) and 
serving the webpages plus random other tasks. It'd also be another user 
machine. Of course, we could have two fast PC boxes out in the clubroom.

Then mussel becomes UCC's "big iron" in the machine room.

Cheers,
Grahame


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 10:09:51 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:30 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001025024313.V400572@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251009110.142134-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

yes, a rackmount for the new mussel would fit in very nicely.  How much do
ATX rackmount cases cost (remember the need for decent fans as well)?

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 10:16:10 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:30 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001025034202.A142782@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251010490.142134-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> Having one of the Celeron boxes in the clubroom with mussel's existing 
> video card, and the other in the machine room doing something useful sounds 
> good. Perhaps running squid (a few gigs of cache ought to be enough) and 
> serving the webpages plus random other tasks. It'd also be another user 
> machine. Of course, we could have two fast PC boxes out in the clubroom.
>

I really don't think that squid for UCC is going to be a good thing any
time soon.  If we are able to use UCS squid cache, then that is good, but
removing a good console box to make goats load a bit faster once a week
seems pointless.  Mermaid seems to be hacking the pace quite well at the
moment doing all the odd jobs in the machine room... why move it to an
overpowered machine?  If this plan goes ahead we will have quite a few
user machines in the machine room (mussel, mermaid, morwong, mola and
kraken) mussel being the beastie for compiling (or maybe making it the X
server thingy, and put all the x-terms on their own segment with mussel).
 
> Then mussel becomes UCC's "big iron" in the machine room.

I just hope not as hot :)

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 10:42:07 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:30 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251009110.142134-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> at "Oct 25, 2000 10:09:51 am"
Message-ID: <200010250242.e9P2g7s149848@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> yes, a rackmount for the new mussel would fit in very nicely.  How much do
> ATX rackmount cases cost (remember the need for decent fans as well)?

Silly money unfortunately.
An ATX desktop on a shelf might be cheaper.

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 10:55:02 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:31 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251010490.142134-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> at "Oct 25, 2000 10:16:10 am"
Message-ID: <200010250255.e9P2t2e150591@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> > Having one of the Celeron boxes in the clubroom with mussel's existing 
> > video card, and the other in the machine room doing something useful sounds 
> > good. Perhaps running squid (a few gigs of cache ought to be enough) and 
> > serving the webpages plus random other tasks. It'd also be another user 
> > machine. Of course, we could have two fast PC boxes out in the clubroom.
> >
> 
> I really don't think that squid for UCC is going to be a good thing any
> time soon.  If we are able to use UCS squid cache, then that is good, but
> removing a good console box to make goats load a bit faster once a week
> seems pointless.

Au contraire, as Nick is eager to exclaim, any squid is better than
no squid. Similarly, the UCS proxy will be charged anyway & how are
non-students going to use it?
Our own squid, with our own ACLs and our own traffic logs is better.

BUT that doesn't mean that a new Celeron user box needs to or should
be doing Squid or Apache.
More sensibly, Mermaid for squid with a couple of small IDE disks
for the cache & the new Celery becomes mermaid2, with Solaris x86
or something similarly different.
Mussel becomes the Linux dev. box we've always squawked about,
we get another general unix box for users, a games box for lusers
and we're back to 4 or so user boxen.

>  Mermaid seems to be hacking the pace quite well at the
> moment doing all the odd jobs in the machine room... why move it to an
> overpowered machine?  If this plan goes ahead we will have quite a few
> user machines in the machine room (mussel, mermaid, morwong, mola and
> kraken) mussel being the beastie for compiling (or maybe making it the X
> server thingy, and put all the x-terms on their own segment with mussel).

Why do the X-terms need to move to Mussel?
So you can run bloated, slow KDE or GNOME compliant WMs on them?

> > Then mussel becomes UCC's "big iron" in the machine room.

Yeah, so we have Mussel as a neato grunty box, along with Morwong,
<insert Mollusc-named Celeron here> and one of Dave T's Suns doing
Slowlaris or NetBSD.

Actually.... we could (should?) do squid on one of those Suns - the 4/470
or whatever it is takes mackerel/Merman RAM.
We bought some 32MB boards - we could have 96 or 128MB in it without too
much hassle.
I'll bring a VAX in one day.

I'll mail Nick Miller about those boards now (been in a meeting all morning)

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 11:06:47 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:31 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <200010250255.e9P2t2e150591@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251103440.150945-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> Au contraire, as Nick is eager to exclaim, any squid is better than
> no squid. Similarly, the UCS proxy will be charged anyway & how are
> non-students going to use it?
> Our own squid, with our own ACLs and our own traffic logs is better.
>
I don't know if it is feasible, but I meant having a minimal squid setup
here and peering? with UCS to basically leach off their squid box.
 
> 
> >  Mermaid seems to be hacking the pace quite well at the
> > moment doing all the odd jobs in the machine room... why move it to an
> > overpowered machine?  If this plan goes ahead we will have quite a few
> > user machines in the machine room (mussel, mermaid, morwong, mola and
> > kraken) mussel being the beastie for compiling (or maybe making it the X
> > server thingy, and put all the x-terms on their own segment with mussel).
> 
> Why do the X-terms need to move to Mussel?
> So you can run bloated, slow KDE or GNOME compliant WMs on them?

ja.  And having them on the same segment should hopefully stop them
sucking the network dry of bandwith.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to  Wed Oct 25 11:49:42 2000
From: dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:31 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251103440.150945-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:06:47AM +0800
References: <200010250255.e9P2t2e150591@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251103440.150945-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025114942.C14239@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>

Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> wrote on Wed October 25, at 11:06 +0800:
> > Au contraire, as Nick is eager to exclaim, any squid is better than
> > no squid. Similarly, the UCS proxy will be charged anyway & how are
> > non-students going to use it?
> > Our own squid, with our own ACLs and our own traffic logs is better.
> >
> I don't know if it is feasible, but I meant having a minimal squid setup
> here and peering? with UCS to basically leach off their squid box.

UCS won't peer with UCC, but UCC is free to use proxy.uwa.edu.au as a
parent.  Any Squid box is going to take not-insignificant resources
away from other things, so unless you're going to do it properly, I
don't think its worth doing at all.

A resource friendlier solution would be to have a custom proxy forward
requests to the UCS proxy.  In the proxy response it finds out whether
it was a hit or miss, and if its a miss, you charge based on the
hostname of the website. (free for uwa.edu.au, ii.net, iinet.net.au, .au
rates for .au, telstra.com, telstra.net, int rates for everything else).

I'm sure yakk already had one of these written.  If he hasn't, I'll
write one this weekend.  Although based on previous experience, yakk
will have already written one by then :-)

> > > Mermaid seems to be hacking the pace quite well at the moment
> > > doing all the odd jobs in the machine room...  why move it to an
> > > overpowered machine?

Its the UCC way.  moray was a fine 486 which did little.  mooneye is a
pentium which does almost as little, but does it in python.

> > Why do the X-terms need to move to Mussel?
> > So you can run bloated, slow KDE or GNOME compliant WMs on them?

Netscape, Dave.

> ja.  And having them on the same segment should hopefully stop them
> sucking the network dry of bandwith.

I hope you mean switch and not segment :-)

,dunc


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 11:54:16 2000
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:31 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001024220544.A138445@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Grahame Bowland wrote:

> We have the motherboards we need. So we need two Pentium III CPUs, 
> and 128Mb of RAM times three (to get mussel to 256Mb and 128Mb for the others)
>
> Component                                                           Cost
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Intel Pentium III 650MHz "E" 256k L2 on-die with SSE (100 FSB)       510
>
> So we'd be looking at around $2425 to do this. I'm sure we can better this,

Do we really need to buy brand spanking new PIIIs? Above a certain point
more MHz means little to real world performance, with things like
memory/hdd/network bandwith being more important. I think a couple of
500-550 MHz second-hand PIIIs would be much cheaper for not much loss in
performance.

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From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 11:55:54 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:31 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001025114942.C14239@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au> from Duncan Sargeant
 at "Oct 25, 2000 11:49:42 am"
Message-ID: <200010250355.e9P3tsP152458@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> UCS won't peer with UCC, but UCC is free to use proxy.uwa.edu.au as a
> parent.  Any Squid box is going to take not-insignificant resources
> away from other things, so unless you're going to do it properly, I
> don't think its worth doing at all.

Unless we do it on currently unused shit, like the big suns.
 
> A resource friendlier solution would be to have a custom proxy forward
> requests to the UCS proxy.  In the proxy response it finds out whether
> it was a hit or miss, and if its a miss, you charge based on the
> hostname of the website. (free for uwa.edu.au, ii.net, iinet.net.au, .au
> rates for .au, telstra.com, telstra.net, int rates for everything else).

Have the router forward all outgoing web stuff through it?

> I'm sure yakk already had one of these written.  If he hasn't, I'll
> write one this weekend.  Although based on previous experience, yakk
> will have already written one by then :-)

*snicker*

> > > Why do the X-terms need to move to Mussel?
> > > So you can run bloated, slow KDE or GNOME compliant WMs on them?
> 
> Netscape, Dave.

Which is significantly more stable on DU than Linux, last time I checked.
Why is netscape a consideration, Dunc ?

> > ja.  And having them on the same segment should hopefully stop them
> > sucking the network dry of bandwith.
> 
> I hope you mean switch and not segment :-)

Word.

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 11:57:05 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:32 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <200010250255.e9P2t2e150591@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 10:55:02AM +0800
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Message-ID: <20001025115705.A151579@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 10:55:02AM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> > > Having one of the Celeron boxes in the clubroom with mussel's existing 
> > > video card, and the other in the machine room doing something useful sounds 
> > > good. Perhaps running squid (a few gigs of cache ought to be enough) and 
> > > serving the webpages plus random other tasks. It'd also be another user 
> > > machine. Of course, we could have two fast PC boxes out in the clubroom.
> > >
> > 
> > I really don't think that squid for UCC is going to be a good thing any
> > time soon.  If we are able to use UCS squid cache, then that is good, but
> > removing a good console box to make goats load a bit faster once a week
> > seems pointless.
> 
> Au contraire, as Nick is eager to exclaim, any squid is better than
> no squid. Similarly, the UCS proxy will be charged anyway & how are
> non-students going to use it?
> Our own squid, with our own ACLs and our own traffic logs is better.

We'd probably want to hack coke charging into it; perhaps we could apply 
beer to Adrian :)

> BUT that doesn't mean that a new Celeron user box needs to or should
> be doing Squid or Apache.
> More sensibly, Mermaid for squid with a couple of small IDE disks
> for the cache & the new Celery becomes mermaid2, with Solaris x86
> or something similarly different.

Solaris x86 sounds neato. Usable but different :) It'd be almost like 
owning a fast recent-ish Sun box.

> Mussel becomes the Linux dev. box we've always squawked about,
> we get another general unix box for users, a games box for lusers
> and we're back to 4 or so user boxen.
> >  Mermaid seems to be hacking the pace quite well at the
> > moment doing all the odd jobs in the machine room... why move it to an
> > overpowered machine?  If this plan goes ahead we will have quite a few
> > user machines in the machine room (mussel, mermaid, morwong, mola and
> > kraken) mussel being the beastie for compiling (or maybe making it the X
> > server thingy, and put all the x-terms on their own segment with mussel).
> 
> Why do the X-terms need to move to Mussel?
> So you can run bloated, slow KDE or GNOME compliant WMs on them?

Damnit, I need a LISP interpreter to do my window managing!
More seriously, Gnome blows little goats on an x-term anyway. As far as I can 
tell CDE or mwm or something like that is about as pleasant to use as 
anything. Lots of places are getting rid of Pentiums now, so we should be on 
the lookout to replace xterms with console boxes.

The good thing about xterms is that they don't break. I'm planning on setting 
up the SPARC boxes only that bench netbooting OpenBSD from morwong. That way 
random fools turning them off won't matter so much.

Oh, can anyone tell me how you get the boot image filename? It's some magic 
number like 825F658D.SUN4C - is that just the ethernet address expressed in hex
digits?

> > > Then mussel becomes UCC's "big iron" in the machine room.
> 
> Yeah, so we have Mussel as a neato grunty box, along with Morwong,
> <insert Mollusc-named Celeron here> and one of Dave T's Suns doing
> Slowlaris or NetBSD.
> 
> Actually.... we could (should?) do squid on one of those Suns - the 4/470
> or whatever it is takes mackerel/Merman RAM.
> We bought some 32MB boards - we could have 96 or 128MB in it without too
> much hassle.
> I'll bring a VAX in one day.

Sounds good. There's definitely room in the machine room to hold some of those 
VAXen we took to Shenton Park a while ago. Maybe we could build a small VMS 
cluster up? I propose a UCC VMS day! And before we forget, Nick had the idea 
for a UCC Eric building day. These would both be cool events to look forward 
to after exams.

> I'll mail Nick Miller about those boards now (been in a meeting all morning)

Great :)

Cheers,
Grahame


From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 12:05:01 2000
From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:32 2004
Subject: tftp . was Re: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001025115705.A151579@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:57:05AM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251010490.142134-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200010250255.e9P2t2e150591@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001025115705.A151579@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025120501.B149042@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> On Oct 25, Grahame Bowland scratched in indelible ink :

> Oh, can anyone tell me how you get the boot image filename? It's some magic 
> number like 825F658D.SUN4C - is that just the ethernet address expressed in hex
> digits?
> 
yes it is.  you can use magic calculators to convert between hex and decimal,
or cheat, like I do and read the tftpd logs :)
they say things like:

/var/log/daemon.log on linux
Aug 24 22:48:22 beowulf in.tftpd[328]: connect from bilbo.tld
Aug 24 22:48:22 beowulf tftpd[329]: tftpd: trying to get file: 0A000018.SUN4C 
Aug 24 22:48:22 beowulf tftpd[329]: tftpd: serving file from /tftpboot 

/Jp...
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          longer need the fingers.   -- someone, somewhere



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 12:13:08 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:32 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001025114942.C14239@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251212380.150767-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

 
> I hope you mean switch and not segment :-)
> 
> ,dunc
> 

Gah, im still thinking in coax. :(

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 12:15:29 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:32 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001025115705.A151579@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Grahame
 Bowland at "Oct 25, 2000 11:57:05 am"
Message-ID: <200010250415.e9P4FUu153384@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> > Au contraire, as Nick is eager to exclaim, any squid is better than
> > no squid. Similarly, the UCS proxy will be charged anyway & how are
> > non-students going to use it?
> > Our own squid, with our own ACLs and our own traffic logs is better.
> 
> We'd probably want to hack coke charging into it; perhaps we could apply 
> beer to Adrian :)

'zactly.

> Solaris x86 sounds neato. Usable but different :) It'd be almost like 
> owning a fast recent-ish Sun box.

Just don't tell Ian or Luyer.

> > Why do the X-terms need to move to Mussel?
> > So you can run bloated, slow KDE or GNOME compliant WMs on them?
> 
> Damnit, I need a LISP interpreter to do my window managing!

emacsWM ?

> The good thing about xterms is that they don't break. I'm planning on setting 
> up the SPARC boxes only that bench netbooting OpenBSD from morwong. That way 
> random fools turning them off won't matter so much.

Why don't we set them up to boot/swap from one of DaveT's Suns?
The Sun login jazz has that natty XDMCP chooser, enabling them to
boot over the network & just be an X-term if we want, OR to use
the onboard CPU for boring little tasks.
Hell - the Classic even has enough CPU to play MP3s.

> Oh, can anyone tell me how you get the boot image filename? It's some magic 
> number like 825F658D.SUN4C - is that just the ethernet address expressed in hex
> digits?

Close - the IP address. I think they RARP, get an IP and then try to
TFTP get IP-address-in-hex.CPUtype, if that makes sense...

> Sounds good. There's definitely room in the machine room to hold some of those 
> VAXen we took to Shenton Park a while ago. Maybe we could build a small VMS 
> cluster up? I propose a UCC VMS day! And before we forget, Nick had the idea 
> for a UCC Eric building day. These would both be cool events to look forward 
> to after exams.

Erics good. Especially if we're futzing with VAXen :)

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 12:19:45 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:32 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <200010250415.e9P4FUu153384@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 12:15:29PM +0800
References: <20001025115705.A151579@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200010250415.e9P4FUu153384@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025121944.A153468@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 12:15:29PM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> > Damnit, I need a LISP interpreter to do my window managing!
> 
> emacsWM ?

Sawfish is pretty much the standard Gnome WM and runs in rep, a LISP dialect :)

> > The good thing about xterms is that they don't break. I'm planning on setting 
> > up the SPARC boxes only that bench netbooting OpenBSD from morwong. That way 
> > random fools turning them off won't matter so much.
> 
> Why don't we set them up to boot/swap from one of DaveT's Suns?
> The Sun login jazz has that natty XDMCP chooser, enabling them to
> boot over the network & just be an X-term if we want, OR to use
> the onboard CPU for boring little tasks.
> Hell - the Classic even has enough CPU to play MP3s.

Well, I'll probably set up netbooting up today. But it's not a hard thing 
to move around.

> > Oh, can anyone tell me how you get the boot image filename? It's some magic 
> > number like 825F658D.SUN4C - is that just the ethernet address expressed in hex
> > digits?
> 
> Close - the IP address. I think they RARP, get an IP and then try to
> TFTP get IP-address-in-hex.CPUtype, if that makes sense...

Yep, that explains it perfectly :)

> > Sounds good. There's definitely room in the machine room to hold some of those 
> > VAXen we took to Shenton Park a while ago. Maybe we could build a small VMS 
> > cluster up? I propose a UCC VMS day! And before we forget, Nick had the idea 
> > for a UCC Eric building day. These would both be cool events to look forward 
> > to after exams.
> 
> Erics good. Especially if we're futzing with VAXen :)

Sounds good. 

Cheers,
Grahame


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 12:24:21 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:33 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001025115705.A151579@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251215070.150767-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> > 
> > Au contraire, as Nick is eager to exclaim, any squid is better than
> > no squid. Similarly, the UCS proxy will be charged anyway & how are
> > non-students going to use it?
> > Our own squid, with our own ACLs and our own traffic logs is better.
> 
> We'd probably want to hack coke charging into it; perhaps we could apply 
> beer to Adrian :)

Hasn't Luyer done that before? 


> > BUT that doesn't mean that a new Celeron user box needs to or should
> > be doing Squid or Apache.
> > More sensibly, Mermaid for squid with a couple of small IDE disks
> > for the cache & the new Celery becomes mermaid2, with Solaris x86
> > or something similarly different.
> 
> Solaris x86 sounds neato. Usable but different :) It'd be almost like 
> owning a fast recent-ish Sun box.
 
I personally would rather have the smeleries out in the club room.  Bright
shiny things attract people inside.  Especially when they can gang up on
useless iinet quake players - reform the UCC clan anyone?

Besides this, with mussel in the machine room then people will have ample
space on all the other machines to code/whatever and on the off chance
that there is more than two people wanting to code in the UCC at the same
time, and the rest of the club room is taken up (only happens during crazy
mangband/zangband/spellcraft phases) then there will be two nice
smellerons to kick people off.  Why waste a perfectly nice box with
solaris?  Put solaris on a peice of shit, because noone cares and it will
hardly get used anyway.  While it is nice to say, look we have all these
user boxes with all these different OSs, can't we put the ones that aren't
going to get touched on old machines, and let the fast ones run stuff that
people are going to use.  Oh that reminds me, is MS office still installed
on the mac?

> Damnit, I need a LISP interpreter to do my window managing!
> More seriously, Gnome blows little goats on an x-term anyway. As far as I can 
> tell CDE or mwm or something like that is about as pleasant to use as 
> anything. Lots of places are getting rid of Pentiums now, so we should be on 
> the lookout to replace xterms with console boxes.

mwm blows maggots. At least now I have a useful menu on it though.
 
> The good thing about xterms is that they don't break. I'm planning on setting 
> up the SPARC boxes only that bench netbooting OpenBSD from morwong. That way 
> random fools turning them off won't matter so much.

Can we get better mice for these things.  Ball mice would be sooo much
nicer, but I have no idea if these were even made.

> Oh, can anyone tell me how you get the boot image filename? It's some magic 
> number like 825F658D.SUN4C - is that just the ethernet address expressed in hex
> digits?

I'm sure we sorted this out the other day.  Remember you asked and I said
yep :).
 
> Sounds good. There's definitely room in the machine room to hold some of those 
> VAXen we took to Shenton Park a while ago. Maybe we could build a small VMS 
> cluster up? I propose a UCC VMS day! And before we forget, Nick had the idea 
> for a UCC Eric building day. These would both be cool events to look forward 
> to after exams.
>

Cluster good.  I got disenchanted with building 10 486s for my cluster in
the UCC.  Prebuilt vaxen would be sooo much nicer.
 
Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 12:25:59 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:33 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <200010250415.e9P4FUu153384@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251225140.150767-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> Close - the IP address. I think they RARP, get an IP and then try to
> TFTP get IP-address-in-hex.CPUtype, if that makes sense...

yep that is what i meant.  need more coffee. sorry grahame.  but it was in
the howto you showed me.

too much email today.

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to  Wed Oct 25 12:26:44 2000
From: dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:33 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <200010250355.e9P3tsP152458@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:55:54AM +0800
References: <20001025114942.C14239@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au> <200010250355.e9P3tsP152458@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025122644.A15079@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>

David Manchester wrote on Wed October 25, at 11:55 +0800:
> > UCS won't peer with UCC, but UCC is free to use proxy.uwa.edu.au as a
> > parent.  Any Squid box is going to take not-insignificant resources
> > away from other things, so unless you're going to do it properly, I
> > don't think its worth doing at all.
> 
> Unless we do it on currently unused shit, like the big suns.

Ah, neato.  And if you install Solaris on it, wheel won't break it :-)
Got enough RAM and disk?

> > A resource friendlier solution would be to have a custom proxy forward
> > requests to the UCS proxy.  In the proxy response it finds out whether
> > it was a hit or miss, and if its a miss, you charge based on the
> > hostname of the website. (free for uwa.edu.au, ii.net, iinet.net.au, .au
> > rates for .au, telstra.com, telstra.net, int rates for everything else).
> 
> Have the router forward all outgoing web stuff through it?

Can do that.  No real need though.

> > > > Why do the X-terms need to move to Mussel?
> > > > So you can run bloated, slow KDE or GNOME compliant WMs on them?
> > 
> > Netscape, Dave.
> 
> Which is significantly more stable on DU than Linux, last time I checked.
> Why is netscape a consideration, Dunc ?

Sorry, I blindly assumed that morwong was too slow (hence we need a
new dev box).  I guess the reason we need this new development box is
because DU headers are broken? :-)


,dunc


From david_luyer at pacific.net.au  Wed Oct 25 12:27:16 2000
From: david_luyer at pacific.net.au (David Luyer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:33 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs.. 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Manchester <mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
   of "Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:15:29 +0800." <200010250415.e9P4FUu153384@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
References: <200010250415.e9P4FUu153384@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
Message-ID: <200010250427.e9P4RGi16869@typhaon.pacific.net.au>

> > We'd probably want to hack coke charging into it; perhaps we could apply 
> > beer to Adrian :)
> 
> 'zactly.

I guess nobody finished off my charging patches I had installed but not fully 
tested on kraken.

> > Solaris x86 sounds neato. Usable but different :) It'd be almost like 
> > owning a fast recent-ish Sun box.
> 
> Just don't tell Ian or Luyer.

2 of the ISPs that make up PI (MIRA and WorldReach) were heavily into 
Solaris-x86.  What a nightmare.  I think it's a good idea, to prevent
people from the mistake of using Solaris-x86 in industry.

:-)

(but then, Solaris-x86 was probably a good choice at the time)

David.
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From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 12:55:16 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:33 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251215070.150767-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> at "Oct 25, 2000 12:24:21 pm"
Message-ID: <200010250455.e9P4tGW154174@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> > We'd probably want to hack coke charging into it; perhaps we could apply 
> > beer to Adrian :)
> 
> Hasn't Luyer done that before? 

If he had, being dispense's author & a squid contributor, don't you
think we'd be using it?

> > Solaris x86 sounds neato. Usable but different :) It'd be almost like 
> > owning a fast recent-ish Sun box.
>  
> I personally would rather have the smeleries out in the club room.  Bright
> shiny things attract people inside.  Especially when they can gang up on
> useless iinet quake players - reform the UCC clan anyone?

Ah, so UCC = UWALAN. Cute.

> Besides this, with mussel in the machine room then people will have ample
> space on all the other machines to code/whatever and on the off chance
> that there is more than two people wanting to code in the UCC at the same
> time, and the rest of the club room is taken up (only happens during crazy
> mangband/zangband/spellcraft phases) then there will be two nice
> smellerons to kick people off.  Why waste a perfectly nice box with
> solaris?  Put solaris on a peice of shit, because noone cares and it will
> hardly get used anyway.  While it is nice to say, look we have all these
> user boxes with all these different OSs, can't we put the ones that aren't
> going to get touched on old machines, and let the fast ones run stuff that
> people are going to use.  Oh that reminds me, is MS office still installed
> on the mac?

People complain that there aren't enough user boxes and Graham's #1
complaint is that the UCC doesn't have enough stuff that people
don't have at home - so why not stay home and use your fast PeeCee,
rather than slow ones at UCC & I think its a valid point.

> mwm blows maggots. At least now I have a useful menu on it though.

Ahh yes, but how much fun is Sawthing going to be on a 4-bit greyscale
X-term?

> > The good thing about xterms is that they don't break. I'm planning on setting 
> > up the SPARC boxes only that bench netbooting OpenBSD from morwong. That way 
> > random fools turning them off won't matter so much.
> 
> Can we get better mice for these things.  Ball mice would be sooo much
> nicer, but I have no idea if these were even made.

*sigh* 

Yes, if the club wants to buy some. If not, stop fucking idiots stealing,
throwing away and scratching the optical pads.
I don't work for a Sun VAR (at the moment) so I can't tell you, but
type-5 mice are ~$70 or so.
We could buy a brace of $110 PS/2-Sun adaptor-things that let you use
a PS/2 mouse and kbd on them, but its a significant investment for a free Sun. 

> > Sounds good. There's definitely room in the machine room to hold some of those 
> > VAXen we took to Shenton Park a while ago. Maybe we could build a small VMS 
> > cluster up? I propose a UCC VMS day! And before we forget, Nick had the idea 
> > for a UCC Eric building day. These would both be cool events to look forward 
> > to after exams.
> >
> 
> Cluster good.  I got disenchanted with building 10 486s for my cluster in
> the UCC.  Prebuilt vaxen would be sooo much nicer.

Ah, but you all fail to understand what a VMS cluster is.
Its not failover-everything, its not process sharing,
its not Beowulf and its not MegaPOVray.
Anil - if you were building a cluster of 486es to do rendering in a
death-by-a-thousand-cuts method, you'll be very very disappointed at
the CPU performance of the VAXen.
Also - I don't know how many VAXen the UCC still has, whether they
have memory, or whether we really want half a dozen 3100s whining
away with shitty old disks.
If you want to do Webserving or backups, or something that's going
to move large chunks of data around, then you'll be surprised at
how happily they'll run.

Try http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4477/4477pro.html 

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 13:02:58 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:34 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <200010250427.e9P4RGi16869@typhaon.pacific.net.au> from David Luyer
 at "Oct 25, 2000 03:27:16 pm"
Message-ID: <200010250502.e9P52w3155020@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> > > Solaris x86 sounds neato. Usable but different :) It'd be almost like 
> > > owning a fast recent-ish Sun box.
> > 
> > Just don't tell Ian or Luyer.
> 
> 2 of the ISPs that make up PI (MIRA and WorldReach) were heavily into 
> Solaris-x86.  What a nightmare.  I think it's a good idea, to prevent
> people from the mistake of using Solaris-x86 in industry.
> (but then, Solaris-x86 was probably a good choice at the time)

:)
Was this old Solaris-x86 or recent stuff?
Were they using disksuite or anything solaris-specific, or was it
just that they couldn't afford Suns ?

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 13:15:03 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:34 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <20001025122644.A15079@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au> from Duncan Sargeant
 at "Oct 25, 2000 12:26:44 pm"
Message-ID: <200010250515.e9P5F3f155103@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> David Manchester wrote on Wed October 25, at 11:55 +0800:
> 
> Ah, neato.  And if you install Solaris on it, wheel won't break it :-)
> Got enough RAM and disk?

I think we'll have RAM to burn, if we can get the 32MB cards back
off Fryers :)
Diskwise, I think we can scrounge up enough.

> > > > > Why do the X-terms need to move to Mussel?
> > > > > So you can run bloated, slow KDE or GNOME compliant WMs on them?
> > > 
> > > Netscape, Dave.
> > 
> > Which is significantly more stable on DU than Linux, last time I checked.
> > Why is netscape a consideration, Dunc ?
> 
> Sorry, I blindly assumed that morwong was too slow (hence we need a
> new dev box).  I guess the reason we need this new development box is
> because DU headers are broken? :-)

Yeah, mostly because DU headers are broken  - lets face it, the world
as we know it codes on Linux & then ports (read adjusts to eccentricities)
their stuff at other *NIXes if/when required.

Cheers
/dave

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From david_luyer at pacific.net.au  Wed Oct 25 13:15:51 2000
From: david_luyer at pacific.net.au (David Luyer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:34 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs.. 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Manchester <mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
   of "Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:02:58 +0800." <200010250502.e9P52w3155020@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
References: <200010250502.e9P52w3155020@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
Message-ID: <200010250515.e9P5Fqi17609@typhaon.pacific.net.au>

> > > > Solaris x86 sounds neato. Usable but different :) It'd be almost like 
> > > > owning a fast recent-ish Sun box.
> > > 
> > > Just don't tell Ian or Luyer.
> > 
> > 2 of the ISPs that make up PI (MIRA and WorldReach) were heavily into 
> > Solaris-x86.  What a nightmare.  I think it's a good idea, to prevent
> > people from the mistake of using Solaris-x86 in industry.
> > (but then, Solaris-x86 was probably a good choice at the time)
> 
> :)
> Was this old Solaris-x86 or recent stuff?

Old.  Very old.  World Reach merged with Zip Internet Professionals many years 
ago, and nothing had been touched since then.  Similarly the MIRA systems were
quite dated (they have legacy clients like Sofcom or werple shell users on
them).  SunOS 5.5.1 would be the most recent.

> Were they using disksuite or anything solaris-specific, or was it
> just that they couldn't afford Suns ?

Doing a lot of md stuff and mounting the same partitions in many places with
read-only/no-exec in some places as a chroot jail and read-write in another
place for system administration, various other stuff like that which wouldn't
have been easy on Linux at the same time.

Anyway, the World Reach and MIRA people were Solaris addicts, they used it on
every Intel system they had - pretty much like PI-SG and BSD/OS, there's no
good reason and Linux would beat it in most situations but still they use it.

David.
-- 
David Luyer                                        Phone:   +61 3 9674 7525
Senior Network Engineer        P A C I F I C       Fax:     +61 3 9699 8693
Pacific Internet (Australia)  I N T E R N E T      Mobile:  +61 4 1111 2983
http://www.pacific.net.au/                         NASDAQ:  PCNTF




From dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to  Wed Oct 25 13:17:57 2000
From: dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:34 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs..
In-Reply-To: <200010250455.e9P4tGW154174@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 12:55:16PM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251215070.150767-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200010250455.e9P4tGW154174@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025131757.C15079@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>

David Manchester wrote on Wed October 25, at 12:55 +0800:
> Ah, but you all fail to understand what a VMS cluster is.
> Its not failover-everything, its not process sharing,
> its not Beowulf and its not MegaPOVray.

But, but, but prep told us it was so!

,dunc


From david_luyer at pacific.net.au  Wed Oct 25 13:19:39 2000
From: david_luyer at pacific.net.au (David Luyer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:34 2004
Subject: [tech] Upgrading our PCs.. 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Manchester <mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
   of "Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:55:16 +0800." <200010250455.e9P4tGW154174@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
References: <200010250455.e9P4tGW154174@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
Message-ID: <200010250519.e9P5Jdi17695@typhaon.pacific.net.au>

> > > We'd probably want to hack coke charging into it; perhaps we could apply 
> > > beer to Adrian :)
> > 
> > Hasn't Luyer done that before? 
> 
> If he had, being dispense's author & a squid contributor, don't you
> think we'd be using it?

I did write the code but never found the time to finish off testing/fixing.
  
It's probably on http://www.luyer.net/software/squid somewhere, if I didn't
rip it down due to being unfinished (the code was finished, initial testing
failed and I didn't have the time to work out why).

David.
-- 
David Luyer                                        Phone:   +61 3 9674 7525
Senior Network Engineer        P A C I F I C       Fax:     +61 3 9699 8693
Pacific Internet (Australia)  I N T E R N E T      Mobile:  +61 4 1111 2983
http://www.pacific.net.au/                         NASDAQ:  PCNTF




From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 17:25:23 2000
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:35 2004
Subject: [tech] XDMCP indirect
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010251617340.161360-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

I was trying to get the xterms to come up with a chooser menu so that
people could choose between mussel and morwong, but it doesn't work. The
menu comes up ok, but once you choose a host you don't get redirected to
it after the XDMCP reset - you just get the menu again. Anybody had
experience with XDMCP?


-- 
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 writing software that I      |  Email:    trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
 know of" - Bill Gates, 1980  |  Web:       http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/






From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 17:37:48 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:35 2004
Subject: [tech] PIIIs for Mussel
Message-ID: <200010250937.e9P9bmb167525@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

'lo,

Spoke to Craig Sampson @ PSI Australia (Nice bloke, ex- Civil/Mech labs),
who's tracked down a pair or P3-550s for us.
They're about $405 each and will probably sell this week if we don't
snaffle them up.
He said the next slowest is the P3-750 Slot1s at $551 each.

Celeron 600s are $197, though we'd need slotkets and stuff & there'd not
be too much net gain.

I've checked ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/slot1/440bx/p2b-ds/index.txt
... it seems that it supports at least a PIII-600, as that's explicitly
mentioned, which is why I'd encourage us to do the 550s.

Thoughts?

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 17:43:19 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:35 2004
Subject: [tech] PIIIs for Mussel
In-Reply-To: <200010250937.e9P9bmb167525@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 05:37:48PM +0800
References: <200010250937.e9P9bmb167525@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025174319.A113459@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 05:37:48PM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> 'lo,
> 
> Spoke to Craig Sampson @ PSI Australia (Nice bloke, ex- Civil/Mech labs),
> who's tracked down a pair or P3-550s for us.
> They're about $405 each and will probably sell this week if we don't
> snaffle them up.
> He said the next slowest is the P3-750 Slot1s at $551 each.

They sound good. I reckon we should do it!

How do we want to handle paying for them? It's $810 so we should be able 
to get this out from Guild banking tommorow..

Cheers,
Grahame


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 17:46:15 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:35 2004
Subject: [tech] RARP
Message-ID: <20001025174615.A169387@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi all,

Just tried to set up RARP for the Suns. Morwong doesn't have the 
packetfilter stuff in the kernel, so I couldn't use that. So I tried 
hydra. Sniffing eth[0-3] didn't show any RARP requests. Tried mermaid, 
it was seeing the requests. Why wouldn't hydra be seeing these?

Anyway, I installed rarpd on mermaid and it proceeded to segfault. 
Wonderful.

Any objections to a short reboot of morwong tommorow to install packet 
filtering? It'll let us do RARP and tcpdump and various other things.

Cheers,
Grahame


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 17:54:59 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:35 2004
Subject: [tech] PIIIs for Mussel
In-Reply-To: <20001025174319.A113459@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Grahame
 Bowland at "Oct 25, 2000 05:43:19 pm"
Message-ID: <200010250954.e9P9sxZ169155@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 05:37:48PM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> > 'lo,
> > 
> > Spoke to Craig Sampson @ PSI Australia (Nice bloke, ex- Civil/Mech labs),
> > who's tracked down a pair or P3-550s for us.
> > They're about $405 each and will probably sell this week if we don't
> > snaffle them up.
> > He said the next slowest is the P3-750 Slot1s at $551 each.
> 
> They sound good. I reckon we should do it!
> 
> How do we want to handle paying for them? It's $810 so we should be able 
> to get this out from Guild banking tommorow..

Call this gentleman at your earliest conveniance, mention my name
and ask about those CPUS.

============================================
Craig Sampson
Director

Professional Systems Integration Pty Ltd
1/8 Delawney St.
BALCATTA WA 6021

Email: craig@psi-aus.com
Phone: (08) 9240 1690
Fax  : (08) 9240 1685
============================================

No word from the dude with the motherboards. More news as it somes to hand.

Before you do that tho', maybe call computerman.
I hate him, as he's an arrogant old wanker, but he seems to have
Slot-1 P3-600s for $335 with yesterday's date against them.

EM Computers (who I've bought from before) have 600s listed on their
website for $375, though I don't know if the'd have them still.

Craig SHOULD be able to get those two for us, but shop around first
before you call him.

Cheers
/dave

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 17:56:27 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:35 2004
Subject: [tech] RARP
In-Reply-To: <20001025174615.A169387@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Grahame
 Bowland at "Oct 25, 2000 05:46:15 pm"
Message-ID: <200010250956.e9P9uRn164683@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> Any objections to a short reboot of morwong tommorow to install packet 
> filtering? It'll let us do RARP and tcpdump and various other things.

You need to add "OPTIONS packetfilter" to the kernel config and do a
/dev/MAKEDEV packetfilter from memory

D.
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From david_luyer at pacific.net.au  Wed Oct 25 18:46:23 2000
From: david_luyer at pacific.net.au (David Luyer)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:36 2004
Subject: [tech] PIIIs for Mussel 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Manchester <mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
   of "Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:54:59 +0800." <200010250954.e9P9sxZ169155@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
References: <200010250954.e9P9sxZ169155@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
Message-ID: <200010251046.e9PAkNi22817@typhaon.pacific.net.au>

> Before you do that tho', maybe call computerman.
> I hate him, as he's an arrogant old wanker, but he seems to have
> Slot-1 P3-600s for $335 with yesterday's date against them.

He does come across a bit like that but he's really not that bad and he is
David Leib's (long term UCCan, even after he moved to Israel he joined for
some years out of his coke balance) father.  Would probably deliver to UCC
or UWA for you.

David.
-- 
David Luyer                                        Phone:   +61 3 9674 7525
Senior Network Engineer        P A C I F I C       Fax:     +61 3 9699 8693
Pacific Internet (Australia)  I N T E R N E T      Mobile:  +61 4 1111 2983
http://www.pacific.net.au/                         NASDAQ:  PCNTF




From dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 19:36:13 2000
From: dayta at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Leighton Haynes)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:36 2004
Subject: [tech] PIIIs for Mussel
In-Reply-To: <200010251046.e9PAkNi22817@typhaon.pacific.net.au>; from david_luyer@pacific.net.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 09:46:23PM +1100
References: <200010250954.e9P9sxZ169155@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200010251046.e9PAkNi22817@typhaon.pacific.net.au>
Message-ID: <20001025193613.E62115@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 09:46:23PM +1100, David Luyer wrote:
> 
> > Before you do that tho', maybe call computerman.
> > I hate him, as he's an arrogant old wanker, but he seems to have
> > Slot-1 P3-600s for $335 with yesterday's date against them.
> 
> He does come across a bit like that but he's really not that bad and he is
> David Leib's (long term UCCan, even after he moved to Israel he joined for
> some years out of his coke balance) father.  Would probably deliver to UCC
> or UWA for you.
> 
Yeah, i deal with him quite regularly, mainly on account of his shop
being 2 blocks from my flat :P He's quite good at getting random cables/stuff
you can't convince normal shops even exist :P 
(Oh yeah, that means i can quite easily pick them up if we get from him ;))

Leighton...

--

Part-time student. Full-time Programmer. 
Seeking the 36 hour day and the 10 hour working week.
(08) 9272 9058 (Home - like I'm ever there)
0401 335 136 (Mobile - like it's ever on)


From dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to  Wed Oct 25 20:20:43 2000
From: dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:36 2004
Subject: [tech] RARP
In-Reply-To: <20001025174615.A169387@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 05:46:15PM +0800
References: <20001025174615.A169387@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025202043.B26163@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>

Grahame Bowland wrote on Wed October 25, at 17:46 +0800:
> Just tried to set up RARP for the Suns. Morwong doesn't have the 
> packetfilter stuff in the kernel, so I couldn't use that. So I tried 
> hydra. Sniffing eth[0-3] didn't show any RARP requests. Tried mermaid, 
> it was seeing the requests. Why wouldn't hydra be seeing these?

Most mysterious.

> Anyway, I installed rarpd on mermaid and it proceeded to segfault. 
> Wonderful.

Keep trying.  It annoyed enough that I was able to solve your stupid
riddle in less time than I'm wasting replying to your email that I
undid my work so that you might work it out yourself and learn
something.

Just you go ahead and call me a vindictive bastard.

,dunc


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Oct 25 21:20:19 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:36 2004
Subject: [tech] RARP
In-Reply-To: <20001025202043.B26163@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc-mail-1313101@rcpt.to on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:20:43PM +0800
References: <20001025174615.A169387@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001025202043.B26163@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001025212019.A173353@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:20:43PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote:
> Grahame Bowland wrote on Wed October 25, at 17:46 +0800:
> > Just tried to set up RARP for the Suns. Morwong doesn't have the 
> > packetfilter stuff in the kernel, so I couldn't use that. So I tried 
> > hydra. Sniffing eth[0-3] didn't show any RARP requests. Tried mermaid, 
> > it was seeing the requests. Why wouldn't hydra be seeing these?
> 
> Most mysterious.
> 
> > Anyway, I installed rarpd on mermaid and it proceeded to segfault. 
> > Wonderful.
> 
> Keep trying.  It annoyed enough that I was able to solve your stupid
> riddle in less time than I'm wasting replying to your email that I
> undid my work so that you might work it out yourself and learn
> something.

Come on. If this is the attitude of people to me trying to set up boxes 
that have been sitting around doing nothing then I won't bother. I've got 
better things to do with my time than scramble around helplessly while 
Dunc accumulates geek-points by making me feel stupid.

Okay, I can't see what's wrong. Yes, I've read the manpages. Yes, I've run 
gdb over the thing. I know there is a kernel rarp module, but apparently it's
obsoleted by the userland stuff. And it's not installed, so it's not a wierd 
conflict. /etc/ethers looks right, I don't know.

Grahame


From dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to  Thu Oct 26 01:47:30 2000
From: dunc-mail-1313101 at rcpt.to (Duncan Sargeant)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:36 2004
Subject: [tech] RARP
In-Reply-To: <20001025212019.A173353@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 09:20:19PM +0800
References: <20001025174615.A169387@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001025202043.B26163@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au> <20001025212019.A173353@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001026014730.A2403@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>

Grahame Bowland wrote on Wed October 25, at 21:20 +0800:
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:20:43PM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote:
> > Keep trying.  It annoyed enough that I was able to solve your stupid
> > riddle in less time than I'm wasting replying to your email that I
> > undid my work so that you might work it out yourself and learn
> > something.
> 
> Come on. If this is the attitude of people to me trying to set up boxes 
> that have been sitting around doing nothing then I won't bother. I've got 
> better things to do with my time than scramble around helplessly while 
> Dunc accumulates geek-points by making me feel stupid.

There are no stupid people, only stupid questions.  Your question was
stupid, so I replied in kind.  Enlightenment does not come to those
know it only by secondhand reports from others, you must learn
for yourself.  If I was after geek-point I would have created the
ethers.db file and told you I'd fixed it by farting in its general
direction.  Sorry that you feel stupid, you're not really.

> Okay, I can't see what's wrong. Yes, I've read the manpages.

Woohoo, more info.  I just read them and as it turns out, the manpages
are wrong.  They suck serious ass.  A real red herring.  Such is life.

> Yes, I've run gdb over the thing.

So much effort and wading through crap, developer-boy.  Thing
sysadmin, think lazy BOFH.  Think something beginning with s, and
ending in trace.

> I know there is a kernel rarp module, but apparently it's obsoleted
> by the userland stuff.  And it's not installed, so it's not a wierd
> conflict.  /etc/ethers looks right, I don't know.

I think I've given you enough hints now :-)

,dunc


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 26 01:58:42 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:36 2004
Subject: [tech] RARP
In-Reply-To: <20001026014730.A2403@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc-mail-1313101@rcpt.to on Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:47:30AM +0800
References: <20001025174615.A169387@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001025202043.B26163@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au> <20001025212019.A173353@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001026014730.A2403@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001026015842.A142363@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:47:30AM +0800, Duncan Sargeant wrote:
> > I know there is a kernel rarp module, but apparently it's obsoleted
> > by the userland stuff.  And it's not installed, so it's not a wierd
> > conflict.  /etc/ethers looks right, I don't know.
> 
> I think I've given you enough hints now :-)

I'm a freakin' moron. Fixed.

I'll patch rarpd at some point tommorow to not blow goats as much.
It must not check the return value of open or something. Gargh.

Cringing in terror,
Grahame


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From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:37 2004
Subject: [tech] ram price spam[bozzo@bozzo.com.au: BOZZO SPECIAL !]
Message-ID: <20001024222500.M9292@yakk.net.au>

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From japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 26 10:35:30 2000
From: japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Jean-Paul Blaquiere)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:37 2004
Subject: [tech] RARP
In-Reply-To: <20001026014730.A2403@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>; from dunc-mail-1313101@rcpt.to on Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:47:30AM +0800
References: <20001025174615.A169387@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001025202043.B26163@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au> <20001025212019.A173353@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001026014730.A2403@typhaon.ucs.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001026103530.A178778@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> On Oct 26, Duncan Sargeant scratched in indelible ink :

> There are no stupid people, only stupid questions.  Your question was
> stupid, so I replied in kind.
>
actually Dunc, it's the other way around.
come on, you've done tech support/bofh-ing, you *should* know that one by now.

Consider:
The person who asks a question is a fool for a minute,
The person who doe not ask a question is a fool for life.

> Enlightenment does not come to those
> know it only by secondhand reports from others, you must learn
> for yourself.  If I was after geek-point I would have created the
> ethers.db file and told you I'd fixed it by farting in its general
> direction.  Sorry that you feel stupid, you're not really.
> 
oh.  so don't fart near a windows box then.  ;)

/Jp...
-- 
Jean-Paul Blaqui?re             ||   Avatar of Computational 
   japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au   ||   Thaumaturgy
   Words are fingers that point at the moon. Once you see the moon, you no
          longer need the fingers.   -- someone, somewhere



From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 26 18:48:54 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:38 2004
Subject: [tech] CS computers
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001026184536.009f83a0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

What do people think about getting a few of those CS computers, a 100mb 
card for each one and making a cluster out of them. Rip out the HDs for 
other uses, use the monitors, keyboards and mice for the celeries and it 
doesn't cost too much.  Could do it beowulf or (correct me if I am, 
probably, wrong) Hurd.

Cheers,
Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?

"If there is hope . . . it lies in the proles" (George Orwell).
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From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 26 19:54:41 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:38 2004
Subject: [tech] CS computers
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001026184536.009f83a0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 06:48:54PM +0800
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001026184536.009f83a0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001026195441.A198412@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 06:48:54PM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote:
> What do people think about getting a few of those CS computers, a 100mb 
> card for each one and making a cluster out of them. Rip out the HDs for 
> other uses, use the monitors, keyboards and mice for the celeries and it 
> doesn't cost too much.  Could do it beowulf or (correct me if I am, 
> probably, wrong) Hurd.

They have the nice Sony fifteen inch monitors. I reckon we should get a couple;
we can afford $700. Why not make them console boxes, though? We have plenty of 
486s to make a Beowulf cluster.

If we have two P200s with decent monitors; two celeron boxes (one with Mussel's 
current monitor, the other with the nice 15" Sony we already have) and our 
existing gear the clubroom would have so much more nice gear. It'd be a great 
end to the year, with so much nice new stuff :)

Is there some way we can approve this before the committee meeting? If I were 
E&EE looking at them I'd think "wow, we can replace the entire crap student 
NT lab with stuff twice as fast for little money".

Cheers,
Grahame


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Oct 26 20:16:37 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:38 2004
Subject: [tech] CS computers
In-Reply-To: <20001026195441.A198412@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 07:54:41PM +0800
References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001026184536.009f83a0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001026195441.A198412@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001026201637.J175646@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 07:54:41PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
[...]
> Is there some way we can approve this before the committee meeting? If I were 
> E&EE looking at them I'd think "wow, we can replace the entire crap student 
> NT lab with stuff twice as fast for little money".

Yes. Five committee members' written agreement to purchase them,
including two exec.s. Table it at the next meeting.

Email is written. (and untrustworthy and forgeable, just as dead tree
letters are untrustworthy and forgeable)

FWIW, I think it's a good idea, but remember that modern machines
may cost more, but are several times faster and come with warranties.
Do the numbers, decide whether it's worth it. Could be.

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From mustang at ucc.asn.au.invalid  Mon Oct 30 01:14:49 2000
From: mustang at ucc.asn.au.invalid (mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:38 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
Message-ID: <200010291714.e9THEnL275911@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Mermaid? Its got a Pentium-133 in it ATM.
D.

-- forwarded message --
From: "El" <amatoe@netspace.net.au>
Newsgroups: aus.ads.forsale.computers.used
Subject: fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:34:12 +1000
Lines: 9
Message-ID: <8tdvjg$1vmi$1@otis.netspace.net.au>

I have a P200MMX with 2.8Volts core voltage.  Because of the low core
voltage this processor runs very happily at 233Mhz and probably higher if
your motherboard supports it.

Looking for offers around $60.  COD ok.

-- end of forwarded message --

-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 02:10:15 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:38 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <200010291714.e9THEnL275911@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:14:49AM +0800
References: <200010291714.e9THEnL275911@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001030021015.A133022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:14:49AM +0800, mustang@ucc.asn.au.invalid wrote:
> Mermaid? Its got a Pentium-133 in it ATM.

Looks pretty good. How does this compare to the equivalent processor from 
CS for $300 with all the trimmings? We could grab one of those and make it 
mermaid, and then use the current mermaid as a console box?

Cheers,
Grahame


From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 02:29:22 2000
From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:38 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <20001030021015.A133022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from gbowland@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:10:15AM +0800
References: <200010291714.e9THEnL275911@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001030021015.A133022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001030022922.D268477@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:10:15AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> Looks pretty good. How does this compare to the equivalent processor from 
> CS for $300 with all the trimmings? We could grab one of those and make it 
> mermaid, and then use the current mermaid as a console box?

Probably simpler to swap some bits and not bother reboxing, etc - the
CPU and perhaps two 8MB for two 16MB SIMMs, making mermaid a 96MB
P200-MMX and other a 48MB P133/P150. (was mermaid's CPU swapped to get
rid of the FPU errors?  Last I remember it was running at 150MHz)

The CS PCs probably can't cache more than 64MB of RAM anyway...

If the CS PCs fall through, yeah this P200MMX might be good (not a
great price, but if we officially say "we are looking for a foo widget
at <= $bar" then we can keep an eye out for donations / on newsgroups /
at swap marts, etc. ).

Nick.

-- 
  Nick Bannon  | "I made this letter longer than usual because
nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal


From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 11:24:52 2000
From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:39 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <20001030022922.D268477@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010301122520.271723-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Nick Bannon wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:10:15AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> > Looks pretty good. How does this compare to the equivalent processor from 
> > CS for $300 with all the trimmings? We could grab one of those and make it 
> > mermaid, and then use the current mermaid as a console box?
> 
> Probably simpler to swap some bits and not bother reboxing, etc - the
> CPU and perhaps two 8MB for two 16MB SIMMs, making mermaid a 96MB
> P200-MMX and other a 48MB P133/P150. (was mermaid's CPU swapped to get
> rid of the FPU errors?  Last I remember it was running at 150MHz)

IIRC, the CS PCs had PC100 SDRAM, which comes in a DIMM. While you might
be able to use SDRAM in mermaid, depending on the motherboard, it's very
dodgy to use DIMMs and SIMMs at the same time.
 
-- 
"There's nobody getting rich  |  TRS-80              UCC Fresher Rep
 writing software that I      |  Email:    trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
 know of" - Bill Gates, 1980  |  Web:       http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/



From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 11:35:54 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:39 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010301122520.271723-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 from James Andrewartha at "Oct 30, 2000 11:24:52 am"
Message-ID: <200010300335.e9U3Zt0287197@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Nick Bannon wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:10:15AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> > > Looks pretty good. How does this compare to the equivalent processor from 
> > > CS for $300 with all the trimmings? We could grab one of those and make it 
> > > mermaid, and then use the current mermaid as a console box?

Broken broken broken.
Mermaid's currently in a rack-mount case.
The motherboard is best for a server.
Why?

6 SIMM slots and an HX chipset, which will actually let us cache >64MB
and do parity for us, or ECC if we use parity RAM.

> > Probably simpler to swap some bits and not bother reboxing, etc - the
> > CPU and perhaps two 8MB for two 16MB SIMMs, making mermaid a 96MB
> > P200-MMX and other a 48MB P133/P150. (was mermaid's CPU swapped to get
> > rid of the FPU errors?  Last I remember it was running at 150MHz)

Yes, quite.
The CPU's currently a P133 because of the FPU errors.
Shame, as those P150s are neat as they'll run 2*75, but that
one seems to have suffered when mermaid overheated. *shrug*
Although as is mentioned below by James, the CS ones use DIMMs.

> IIRC, the CS PCs had PC100 SDRAM, which comes in a DIMM. While you might
> be able to use SDRAM in mermaid, depending on the motherboard, it's very
> dodgy to use DIMMs and SIMMs at the same time.

Yeah, that too. Beware that these will probably have PC66 DIMMs
so we want to keep the RAM together... rather than swap it into
mussel/new motherboards.

Grahame - what became of purchasing those CPUs?
Last I heard, we were all set to buy the ones from Craig, so I thought
I'd temper that fervour somewhat with other prices.
Then these P200MMXes came up & no-one's said boo, bar Nick about the
new Celeron machines. 
We've got a meeting tomorrow... are we going to do anything before
then & report back, or are we going to slog it out some more tomorrow
night?

Cheers
/dave


>  
> -- 
> "There's nobody getting rich  |  TRS-80              UCC Fresher Rep
>  writing software that I      |  Email:    trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
>  know of" - Bill Gates, 1980  |  Web:       http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/
> 
> 


-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 11:36:37 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:39 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <20001030022922.D268477@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:29:22AM +0800
References: <200010291714.e9THEnL275911@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001030021015.A133022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20001030022922.D268477@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001030113637.C284277@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:29:22AM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:10:15AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> > Looks pretty good. How does this compare to the equivalent processor from 
> > CS for $300 with all the trimmings? We could grab one of those and make it 
> > mermaid, and then use the current mermaid as a console box?
> 
> Probably simpler to swap some bits and not bother reboxing, etc - the
> CPU and perhaps two 8MB for two 16MB SIMMs, making mermaid a 96MB
> P200-MMX and other a 48MB P133/P150. (was mermaid's CPU swapped to get
> rid of the FPU errors?  Last I remember it was running at 150MHz)

Mermaid has a 133Mhz Pentium we swapped in there to fix the floating point 
unit errors.

> The CS PCs probably can't cache more than 64MB of RAM anyway...
> 
> If the CS PCs fall through, yeah this P200MMX might be good (not a
> great price, but if we officially say "we are looking for a foo widget
> at <= $bar" then we can keep an eye out for donations / on newsgroups /
> at swap marts, etc. ).

We need to hold off on the CS PCs until after tommorow night, given that 
some people on committee aren't happy with the idea.

Cheers,
Grahame


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 11:51:45 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:39 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <200010300335.e9U3Zt0287197@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:35:54AM +0800
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010301122520.271723-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200010300335.e9U3Zt0287197@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001030115145.B281222@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:35:54AM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Nick Bannon wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:10:15AM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
> > > > Looks pretty good. How does this compare to the equivalent processor from 
> > > > CS for $300 with all the trimmings? We could grab one of those and make it 
> > > > mermaid, and then use the current mermaid as a console box?
> 
> Broken broken broken.
> Mermaid's currently in a rack-mount case.
> The motherboard is best for a server.
> Why?
> 
> 6 SIMM slots and an HX chipset, which will actually let us cache >64MB
> and do parity for us, or ECC if we use parity RAM.
> 
> > > Probably simpler to swap some bits and not bother reboxing, etc - the
> > > CPU and perhaps two 8MB for two 16MB SIMMs, making mermaid a 96MB
> > > P200-MMX and other a 48MB P133/P150. (was mermaid's CPU swapped to get
> > > rid of the FPU errors?  Last I remember it was running at 150MHz)
> 
> Yes, quite.
> The CPU's currently a P133 because of the FPU errors.
> Shame, as those P150s are neat as they'll run 2*75, but that
> one seems to have suffered when mermaid overheated. *shrug*
> Although as is mentioned below by James, the CS ones use DIMMs.
> 
> > IIRC, the CS PCs had PC100 SDRAM, which comes in a DIMM. While you might
> > be able to use SDRAM in mermaid, depending on the motherboard, it's very
> > dodgy to use DIMMs and SIMMs at the same time.
> 
> Yeah, that too. Beware that these will probably have PC66 DIMMs
> so we want to keep the RAM together... rather than swap it into
> mussel/new motherboards.

It's PC100 from the information I've been given.

> Grahame - what became of purchasing those CPUs?
> Last I heard, we were all set to buy the ones from Craig, so I thought
> I'd temper that fervour somewhat with other prices.
> Then these P200MMXes came up & no-one's said boo, bar Nick about the
> new Celeron machines. 
> We've got a meeting tomorrow... are we going to do anything before
> then & report back, or are we going to slog it out some more tomorrow
> night?

I don't have too much time to chase this around ATM (wrestling with my tax 
return and trying to get study done. :) We have prices on the different options,
I think the next logical action is to authorise expenditure.

I think a couple of the P200 boxen would be great if we can afford it. They 
seem particularly good to me because they include decent monitors. Sure, they 
are small but they ought to be useable. PC100 RAM is useful, and they have 
reasonable disks. All in all decent Linux/Windows console boxes. 

We're getting those Celeron motherboards, aren't we? So we need to get the RAM 
organised and a couple of P3s. I thought we were going with the computerman 
P3/600s because they were cheaper? As for disks for the Celeron boxes we can 
either buy a couple of 10Gb IDE drives or find some SCSI cards and feed them 
the hard disks from the Suns. I'm close to having them on a diskless setup, as 
soon as I figure out the NetBSD bootp stuff.

Old slow seagate drives in the Celeron's doesn't really make sense though :)

Cheers,
Grahame


From mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 12:11:46 2000
From: mustang at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:40 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <20001030115145.B281222@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from Grahame
 Bowland at "Oct 30, 2000 11:51:45 am"
Message-ID: <200010300411.e9U4Bk4288571@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

> > Yeah, that too. Beware that these will probably have PC66 DIMMs
> > so we want to keep the RAM together... rather than swap it into
> > mussel/new motherboards.
> 
> It's PC100 from the information I've been given.

Cute. I am inclined not to believe that.

> We're getting those Celeron motherboards, aren't we? So we need to get the RAM 
> organised and a couple of P3s. I thought we were going with the computerman 
> P3/600s because they were cheaper? As for disks for the Celeron boxes we can 
> either buy a couple of 10Gb IDE drives or find some SCSI cards and feed them 
> the hard disks from the Suns. I'm close to having them on a diskless setup, as 
> soon as I figure out the NetBSD bootp stuff.
> 
> Old slow seagate drives in the Celeron's doesn't really make sense though :)

Very true. 10GB IDEs are a much nicer idea.

Do we want to contact Computerman as representatives of the club,
and ask him for specific chips with the option to return them if mussel
hates them.??

Cheers
/dave
-- 
/ David Manchester <mustang @ ucc.asn.au> (UCC Wheel and Committee person) \
|       If Life hands you lemons today, smile and give thanks.             |
|     Then, when Life isn't looking, give him a quick knee to the groin.   |
\                              That'll learn him.                          /


From gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 12:36:08 2000
From: gbowland at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:40 2004
Subject: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <200010300411.e9U4Bk4288571@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 12:11:46PM +0800
References: <20001030115145.B281222@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <200010300411.e9U4Bk4288571@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001030123608.A286594@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 12:11:46PM +0800, David Manchester wrote:
> > > Yeah, that too. Beware that these will probably have PC66 DIMMs
> > > so we want to keep the RAM together... rather than swap it into
> > > mussel/new motherboards.
> > 
> > It's PC100 from the information I've been given.
> 
> Cute. I am inclined not to believe that.

It's newer RAM, they recently upgraded them (eg. earlier this year.)

> > We're getting those Celeron motherboards, aren't we? So we need to get the RAM 
> > organised and a couple of P3s. I thought we were going with the computerman 
> > P3/600s because they were cheaper? As for disks for the Celeron boxes we can 
> > either buy a couple of 10Gb IDE drives or find some SCSI cards and feed them 
> > the hard disks from the Suns. I'm close to having them on a diskless setup, as 
> > soon as I figure out the NetBSD bootp stuff.
> > 
> > Old slow seagate drives in the Celeron's doesn't really make sense though :)
> 
> Very true. 10GB IDEs are a much nicer idea.
> 
> Do we want to contact Computerman as representatives of the club,
> and ask him for specific chips with the option to return them if mussel
> hates them.??

Yes, I'll do this once I get down to Uni (~2 hours)

Cheers,
Grahame


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 12:47:03 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset>)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:40 2004
Subject: [committee] Re: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket
 7)
In-Reply-To: <20001030123608.A286594@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010301239250.289123-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Can we get some sort of consolidation on what we are doing before the
meeting, so all we need to do is approve expenditure?

- Getting BX boards for $80 each? This was approved last week.
- Therefore we need P3s (Which Grahame is getting quotes for) for Mussel.
- We need RAM for the new Celeries and Mussel (Which Ian has got quotes
  for). 128mb for each celery? another 128mb for mussel?
- We need cases, keyboards, mice and Monitors for the Celeries
	- we have mice
	- do we wish to canabalise the CS computers for the monitor and
	keyboards?
- We need HDs. 10gig IDE which IMO should be sourced from wherever we get
  the P3s from to make things a little easier.
- Pinch the TNT2 from Mussel for 1 of the Celeries, buy another one for
  the other?

Anything else to add to this list before a price can be
established?  Anyone able to get quotes before tommorows meeting for
things?
Do we want to discuss usage of the Celeries before or after the meeting?

Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?



From yakk at yakk.net.au  Mon Oct 30 16:57:51 2000
From: yakk at yakk.net.au (Ian McKellar)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:40 2004
Subject: [committee] Re: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010301239250.289123-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 12:47:03PM +0800
References: <20001030123608.A286594@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010301239250.289123-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20001030165751.K9292@yakk.net.au>

On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 12:47:03PM +0800, Anil Sharma <Grand Poobah Maset> wrote:
> Can we get some sort of consolidation on what we are doing before the
> meeting, so all we need to do is approve expenditure?
> 
> - Getting BX boards for $80 each? This was approved last week.
> - Therefore we need P3s (Which Grahame is getting quotes for) for Mussel.
> - We need RAM for the new Celeries and Mussel (Which Ian has got quotes
>   for). 128mb for each celery? another 128mb for mussel?
> - We need cases, keyboards, mice and Monitors for the Celeries
> 	- we have mice
> 	- do we wish to canabalise the CS computers for the monitor and
> 	keyboards?
> - We need HDs. 10gig IDE which IMO should be sourced from wherever we get
>   the P3s from to make things a little easier.
> - Pinch the TNT2 from Mussel for 1 of the Celeries, buy another one for
>   the other?

Dudes, 

I've got a dual celeron machine with TNT2 which I'm going to need to get
rid of sometime soon. I'm not sure what the parts are worth, but I'm likely
to accept payment in coke credit.

Ian


From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Oct 30 19:06:52 2000
From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma)
Date: Wed Oct 27 01:21:41 2004
Subject: [committee] Re: [tech] (fwd) fs:(Melb) Penitum 200MMX
  (Socket 7)
In-Reply-To: <20001030165751.K9292@yakk.net.au>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010301239250.289123-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 <20001030123608.A286594@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
 <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010301239250.289123-100000@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001030190535.009e9020@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>


>Dudes,
>
>I've got a dual celeron machine with TNT2 which I'm going to need to get
>rid of sometime soon. I'm not sure what the parts are worth, but I'm likely
>to accept payment in coke credit.
>
>Ian


OK, so we could rip out the TNT2 for one of the celeries in the club room, 
and make this one into another machine room thingy (we will already be 
running out of space in the clubroom, and people seem to want more user 
machines in the machine room).


Cheers,
Maset the Grandiose.
-------------------------------------------------
Without suffering,
how can one appreciate happiness?
And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow,
without the light of hope?

"If there is hope . . . it lies in the proles" (George Orwell).
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