From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 3 21:13:58 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:05 2004 Subject: [tech] FTP to mooneye In-Reply-To: <20010131170141.T138432@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 05:01:41PM +0800 References: <20010131155511.S138432@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010131162803.00974d30@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <20010131170141.T138432@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010203211358.G138432@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 05:01:41PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: [FTP logins on mooneye] > Fixed! [...] Suprise, suprise, mermaid had the same problem. Fixed. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 11 15:47:11 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:07 2004 Subject: [tech] Duplicate list messages [Was: Re: [ucc] Re: Election] In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010211153709.00a9d0e0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from maset@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:39:58PM +0800 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010211153709.00a9d0e0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010211154711.A83288@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Does anyone else here receive duplicate copies of mail sent to UCC lists? Is this a known problem? This happens to me quite often. Just wondering. -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | Regards, | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From vyxn at vyxn.net Sun Feb 11 16:56:40 2001 From: vyxn at vyxn.net (Balmik Soin) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:07 2004 Subject: [tech] Duplicate list messages [Was: Re: [ucc] Re: Election] In-Reply-To: <20010211154711.A83288@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: the election discussion is being crossposted to unisfa as well - you're not a member of that list, are you ? Balmik. -=[be careful what you wish for, it may come true]=- On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, James Devenish wrote: > Does anyone else here receive duplicate copies of mail sent to UCC > lists? Is this a known problem? This happens to me quite often. Just > wondering. > > -- > _ ___________________________________________________ _ > / ) | | ( \ > / / | Regards, | \ \ > _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ > (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_/ ////) > \ / \ / > \ _/ \_ / > / / | | \ \ > / / | | \ \ > / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ > > From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 11 17:00:14 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:07 2004 Subject: [tech] Duplicate list messages [Was: Re: [ucc] Re: Election] In-Reply-To: ; from vyxn@vyxn.net on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 04:56:40PM +0800 References: <20010211154711.A83288@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010211170014.A89529@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 02:09:38PM +0800, Balmik Soin wrote: > can people stop bloody saying "yes" On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 04:56:40PM +0800, Balmik Soin wrote: > the election discussion is being crossposted to unisfa as well - you're > not a member of that list, are you ? No. -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | And it's true. The problem is not so trivial, | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From mtearle at ucs.uwa.edu.au Wed Feb 14 22:15:26 2001 From: mtearle at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:07 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Suggestions for locking down Mac mice? (fwd) Message-ID: Hmm, this sounds like a good idea for when we are securing the console boxen... Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communication Services, The University of Western Australia Phone/Voice Mail: +61 8 9380 7950 Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:42:30 -0600 From: Clint Forseth Reply-To: Resnet Forum To: RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: Suggestions for locking down Mac mice? We choose to lock down our mice by taking a washer and running a small portion of the mice/keyboard/etc cable through the washer. This creates a small loop (or "U") on the backside of the washer that you can run a security cable through. Since we were already running security cables through plates on the computers and monitors in the residence halls labs, it was easy just to add this washer senario without causing major loss of cord length. Done right, you should not lose a whole lot of cord length. This way the only way a student or someone else can get the mouse or other corded devices off the computer is to cut the cord somewhere cause the device nor its plug can get though the washer that has the security cable running through the loop of cord(that is of course that you get a washer smaller than the plug). Cheap, yet affective. If I didn't make sense let me know and I can try to explain better. Its cold out and I don't function well til after my caffine fix. Clint Forseth ResNet Coordinator St. Cloud State University > > Has anyone found a good way to lock down Mac mice so they > can't be stolen > from a computing site? We're putting new dual processor G4s in some > computing sites and need to find a way to lock down the new > Pro Mouse. This > was never a concern before because no one wanted to steal a > one button mouse > and certainly no one wanted to steal the hockey puck mouse, but I'm > concerned that the optical Pro Mouse might be a little more inviting. > ___________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the ResNet-L mailing list. To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives, go to http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html ___________________________________________________ From ashley.cooper at aus.sun.com Thu Feb 15 08:42:35 2001 From: ashley.cooper at aus.sun.com (Ashley Cooper) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:09 2004 Subject: [tech] Discounts for UCC members - Sun Educational Services Message-ID: <3A8B25FB.515265E@aus.sun.com> Good Morning, I would be grateful if you could please provide me with some information about how my firm, Sun Educational Services, the training arm of Sun Microsystems Australia, can support your club in the form of a discount for members. I would be happy to provide a 20% discount of all course materials in CD-ROM, Instructor-led and Web-Based formats. I can be reached on 02 9466 1402, or via email at this address. Kind regards Ashley Cooper Emerging Markets Area Representative Sun Educational Services Ph: 02 9466 1402 Fx: 02 9466 1420 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ashley.cooper.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 453 bytes Desc: Card for Ashley Cooper Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20010215/396f6cd2/ashley.cooper.vcf From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Feb 15 15:50:57 2001 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:09 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Suggestions for locking down Mac mice? (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from mtearle@ucs.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 10:15:26PM +0800 References: Message-ID: <20010215155057.B345484@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 10:15:26PM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: > Hmm, this sounds like a good idea for when we are securing the console boxen... I'm picking up some sticky pads from Joe tommorow morning. From bongus at geol.uwa.edu.au Thu Feb 15 16:18:02 2001 From: bongus at geol.uwa.edu.au (Angus Stewart) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:09 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Suggestions for locking down Mac mice? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20010215155057.B345484@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> At 03:50 PM 2/15/01 +0800, you wrote: >On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 10:15:26PM +0800, Mark Tearle wrote: >> Hmm, this sounds like a good idea for when we are securing the console boxen... > >I'm picking up some sticky pads from Joe tommorow morning. Sticky pads suck... they come off with a bit of force or time. Lately we've been rivitting lil' aluminum tabs onto the back of our hardware. And that idea for securing the mice and keyboards with a washer is cool - we've been buying lil' padlocks to do the same thing. seeya, Angus From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Feb 15 17:22:47 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:09 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Suggestions for locking down Mac mice? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au>; from bongus@geol.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:18:02PM +0000 References: <20010215155057.B345484@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010215172247.F205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:18:02PM +0000, Angus Stewart wrote: [...] > Lately we've been rivitting lil' aluminum tabs onto the back of our > hardware. And that idea for securing the mice and keyboards with a washer > is cool - we've been buying lil' padlocks to do the same thing. That sounds more solid, and fine for a PC - though we might not want to do that to the SGIs, for example... We have a riveter in the toolbox - where can we pick up a few suitable tabs? Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From bongus at geol.uwa.edu.au Thu Feb 15 21:33:53 2001 From: bongus at geol.uwa.edu.au (Angus Stewart) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:10 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Suggestions for locking down Mac mice? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20010215172247.F205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <20010215155057.B345484@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010215213353.008113d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> >where can we pick up a few suitable tabs? Our workshop technician makes them - let me know how many and I'll try to have them dropped off tomorrow. seeya, Angus From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Feb 15 22:34:44 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:10 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Suggestions for locking down Mac mice? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010215213353.008113d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au>; from bongus@geol.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 09:33:53PM +0800 References: <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <20010215155057.B345484@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <20010215172247.F205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215213353.008113d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010215223443.K205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 09:33:53PM +0800, Angus Stewart wrote: > Our workshop technician makes them - let me know how many and I'll try to > have them dropped off tomorrow. Six, perhaps? Do you usually have one or two per PC? (chassis + cover?) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From bongus at geol.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 16 10:17:52 2001 From: bongus at geol.uwa.edu.au (Angus Stewart) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:10 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Suggestions for locking down Mac mice? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20010215223443.K205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <3.0.6.32.20010215213353.008113d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <20010215155057.B345484@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <20010215172247.F205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215213353.008113d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010216101752.0090a2d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> >> Our workshop technician makes them - let me know how many and I'll try to >> have them dropped off tomorrow. > >Six, perhaps? I have 10 to deliver... someone let me know when ucc is open and I'll drop by. >Do you usually have one or two per PC? (chassis + cover?) We just rivit them to existing holes on the back of the PC (chassis) and not bother about the case. (I can't picture many Geologists having the balls to do their own component transplant. :) With things like printers where there is an edge next to the screw hole, I use a lil' block of metal with two holes (or is that 4?) in it - you can't undo the screw while the padlock is in the block. seeya, Angus From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 16 23:04:50 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:10 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: Suggestions for locking down Mac mice? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010216101752.0090a2d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au>; from bongus@geol.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 10:17:52AM +0000 References: <3.0.6.32.20010215213353.008113d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <20010215155057.B345484@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215161802.0091b7f0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <20010215172247.F205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010215213353.008113d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> <20010215223443.K205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20010216101752.0090a2d0@mail.geol.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010216230450.M205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 10:17:52AM +0000, Angus Stewart wrote: > I have 10 to deliver... someone let me know when ucc is open and I'll drop by. How'd you go? Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From davidb-ucc at rcpt.to Thu Feb 22 16:07:03 2001 From: davidb-ucc at rcpt.to (David Basden) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:10 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] Who broke UCC again? In-Reply-To: <20010222065743.62042.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com>; from djohn_w@yahoo.com on Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 10:57:43PM -0800 References: <20010222065743.62042.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010222160703.U13117@fluff> On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 10:57:43PM -0800, John West wrote: > Paul has been fiddling with the system at work, so I thought the > problem was at our end. But then the same thing happened at home... > > I try to telnet to ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au port 23. It connects, then > disconnects without printing anything. Other ports (flame) work fine. > > What broke? Can someone poke something and make it work again? Okay, someone had the telnet port on mooneye doing a netcat to port 222 on mermaid. Port 222 wasn't bound to anything on mermaid. I've setup the Coke telnet server up on mooneye again, so people can once again telnet externally and get charged for it. Could whoever broke this in the first place please stand up and explain why it was changed, and why it was left broken and untested? David From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 23 07:46:02 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:10 2004 Subject: [tech] fcntl problems on mermaid Message-ID: <20010223074557.B19904@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hmmm, mutt on mermaid is giving the error "fcntl: No locks available (errno = 37)" This seems to happen periodically and then clears up. (I don't use mermaid much so I don't know of any particular pattern to this.) Any ideas? -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 23 15:22:18 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:11 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [ucc] /home In-Reply-To: <20010222220617.Z205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:06:17PM +0800 References: <20010221224629.A244431@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010222220617.Z205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010223152218.A360300@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:06:17PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > This'd be a good time to remind people to clear up their home > directories or risk it being done in an emergency... /home is full > again... > > Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > home:/home 8889560 8657704 62184 100% /home Because of the considerably large size of the webcam archive I am conscious of the amount of free space left on /home (firstly to make sure I don't cause it to fill and secondly to make sure there's enough space left to capture webcam images---they might sound like the same thing but they're not quite, in my consideration). Anyway, /home usage does go up and down (obviously) and quantities of 100Mb or more come and go quickly. 62Mb is lower than usual, but it's been lower than that recently and higher than than recently. Your points still stand, but let it be known that free space has been going in the upward direction as well as the downward direction, so it's probably the dormant users, not the active users, who need the most reminding.[1] [1] This probably isn't the point I'm trying to make, but hopefully you see where I'm coming from or going too (not sure which direction it is myself :-P -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | Regards, | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 23 16:03:02 2001 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:11 2004 Subject: [tech] Morwong's License Message-ID: <20010223160302.A364438@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> # lmf list full | grep Termination Key Termination Date: 28-FEB-2001 UCS is following this up, just a head's up :-) - Grahame From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 23 17:18:27 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:11 2004 Subject: [tech] Morwong's License In-Reply-To: <20010223160302.A364438@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from grahame@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 04:03:02PM +0800 References: <20010223160302.A364438@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010223171827.A367496@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 04:03:02PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > # lmf list full | grep Termination > Key Termination Date: 28-FEB-2001 > > UCS is following this up, just a head's up :-) It did confuse the Guild when it got renewal notices for these last year! (Until it was realised that this had something to do with UCC.) Are there not two licenses (server & workstation)? -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 23 22:45:04 2001 From: fryers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Simon Fryer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:11 2004 Subject: [tech] Morwong's License In-Reply-To: <20010223171827.A367496@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from devenish@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 05:18:27PM +0800 References: <20010223160302.A364438@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010223171827.A367496@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010223224504.S352543@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Bingle > A while ago James Devenish tapped: > It did confuse the Guild when it got renewal notices for these last > year! (Until it was realised that this had something to do with UCC.) > Are there not two licenses (server & workstation)? There are indeed two licenses. Centuri and Morwong. If I can do anything to hurry this up please say so, I kinda borrow some licence action and I don't want my compilers to break at the end of the month. See Ya Simon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Well, an engineer is not concerned with the truth; that is left to philosophers and theologians: the prime concern of an engineer is the utility of the final product." Lectures on the Electrical Properties of Materials, L.Solymar, D.Walsh From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 23 23:09:03 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:12 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [ucc] /home In-Reply-To: <20010223152218.A360300@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from devenish@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 03:22:18PM +0800 References: <20010221224629.A244431@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010222220617.Z205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010223152218.A360300@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010223230903.D205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 03:22:18PM +0800, James Devenish wrote: [...] > they're not quite, in my consideration). Anyway, /home usage does go up > and down (obviously) and quantities of 100Mb or more come and go > quickly. 62Mb is lower than usual, but it's been lower than that > recently and higher than than recently. Your points still stand, but let > it be known that free space has been going in the upward direction as > well as the downward direction, so it's probably the dormant users, > not the active users, who need the most reminding.[1] [...] True enough. Both dormant and active users need reminding. Not only is 62MB way too low (if it was all delivered to UCC, Mark could consume that in 1.5 emails ::-) ) but 162MB is way too low as well. Some of the consumed space is the webcam (80MB of MPEGs, 4x30MB of one-day's-worth-of-images-to-be-compressed), but there's over 8.5GB of other stuff, too... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 24 13:59:31 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:12 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [ucc] /home In-Reply-To: <20010223230903.D205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:09:03PM +0800 References: <20010221224629.A244431@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010222220617.Z205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010223152218.A360300@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010223230903.D205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010224135931.A419308@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:09:03PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > Not only is 62MB way too low... ITYMTS "Not only is 8.5Gb way too low..." ;) -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | Crudely (8.5Gb / 300 members = 29 Mb per user), | \ \ _( (_ | _ IYKWIM, AITYD, _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) James Devenish ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 24 21:43:48 2001 From: maset at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:12 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [ucc] /home In-Reply-To: <20010223230903.D205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20010223152218.A360300@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010221224629.A244431@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010222220617.Z205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010223152218.A360300@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010224213920.009fdda0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> We need to do something quickly as we are getting a hella (hopefully) lot of freshers coming in soon who will want to save stuff on home. We either buy another drive for morwong (we do have another storage brick no?)/ start acting on dead account and reclaim some space from normal accounts/adjust the size of home upwards. We will probably need more space for home soon anyway, so even if the last two options are chosen we should get a new HD some time soon. All depends on how much space we can get back quickly to see whether we need the new HD before o-day. At 11:09 23/02/01 +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: >On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 03:22:18PM +0800, James Devenish wrote: >[...] > > they're not quite, in my consideration). Anyway, /home usage does go up > > and down (obviously) and quantities of 100Mb or more come and go > > quickly. 62Mb is lower than usual, but it's been lower than that > > recently and higher than than recently. Your points still stand, but let > > it be known that free space has been going in the upward direction as > > well as the downward direction, so it's probably the dormant users, > > not the active users, who need the most reminding.[1] >[...] > >True enough. Both dormant and active users need reminding. Not only is >62MB way too low (if it was all delivered to UCC, Mark could consume >that in 1.5 emails ::-) ) but 162MB is way too low as well. > >Some of the consumed space is the webcam (80MB of MPEGs, 4x30MB of >one-day's-worth-of-images-to-be-compressed), but there's over 8.5GB of >other stuff, too... > >Nick. > >-- > Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because >nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal Cheers, Maset the Grandiose. ------------------------------------------------- Without suffering, how can one appreciate happiness? And how would we mark the depths of our sorrow, without the light of hope? "If there is hope . . . it lies in the proles" (George Orwell). From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 25 11:14:07 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:12 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] Mussel... In-Reply-To: <20010225084306.A466753@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from devenish@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 08:43:06AM +0800 References: <20010225084306.A466753@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010225111407.G205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 08:43:06AM +0800, James Devenish wrote: > So is anyone intending to come down soon and get mussel going? > (Not a rhetorical question.) OK, OK. ::-) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 25 13:20:59 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:13 2004 Subject: [tech] Local debian mirrors (was Re: [wheel] webcam user not in NIS and general mussel stuff) In-Reply-To: ; from trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 11:15:51AM +0800 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010224215038.009fa0f0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010225132058.I205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 11:15:51AM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: [...] > As for incomplete setups, mussel is supposed to be running woody but the > UWA and IT mirrors were fscked (specifically the Packages files) when we > set it up, so it's not very happy. Seems fine now... sure it wasn't in the middle of an update...? Unfortunately, neither of our closest mirrors have been perfect. UWA is deliberate partial mirror (source+i386+alpha only), but its upstream mirror.aarnet.edu.au had space problems and was missing files. This is now remedied. UWA moved to IT as an upstream temporarily - I think it's back to mirror.aarnet.edu.au . Unfortunately, now it looks like ftp.uwa.edu.au is out of space ( ftp.uwa.edu.au:/usr/local/ftp/mirrors/linux 17660720 16800600 0 100% /linux ), though that may be fixed soon. IT has always been a full mirror, and it's now available over a fast link, but I have had some routing problems getting to it. They were fixed, but they recurred temporarily the other day... Most packets were coming to UCC fine, but going back via WAIX. Unfortunately, our 130.95.13 addresses can't receive fragmentation messages, so when large packets tried to go through, TCP MTU path discovery broke... Symptom - you could connect, do small listings, etc, but actual file transfers would hang. Again, this seems fine at the moment. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 25 14:18:44 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:13 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] Mussel... In-Reply-To: <20010225111407.G205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 11:14:07AM +0800 References: <20010225084306.A466753@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010225111407.G205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010225141844.J205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> OK... it's back up and is now connected to the console switch. (with the help of a PS/2 adaptor from the helpfully labelled Keyboards box on the shelves ::-) ) mussel said: [...] Feb 22 03:52:11 mussel kernel: Linux version 2.4.1 (root@mussel) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010125 (prerelease)) #2 SMP Thu Feb 22 03:10:30 WST 2001 [booting] [time passes uneventfully] Feb 24 14:09:34 mussel kernel: nfs: server home.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au not responding, still trying Feb 24 14:12:04 mussel kernel: nfs: task 15284 can't get a request slot Feb 24 14:12:30 mussel kernel: nfs: task 15285 can't get a request slot [time passes with one of these messages every so often] morwong said: Feb 24 13:05:15 morwong vmunix: NFS server: stale file handle fs(3169,81449) file 28578 gen 32786 Feb 24 13:05:15 morwong vmunix: RFS3_GETATTR, client address = 130.95.13.18, errno 22 Feb 24 14:09:23 morwong vmunix: svckudp_send: xdr_replymsg failed Feb 24 14:09:23 morwong vmunix: rfs_dispatch: sendreply failed IP address: 130.95.13.18 [last two repeated at least every minute since then] [...] No logins would work, so I did a ALT-SYSRQ emergency sync/mount ro/reboot. It came up OK, but did the same after an hour or so... I've poked a bit further, but it may well do it again. mussel seems capable of mounting the NFS entries in /etc/fstab, but didn't do so at boot. The fstab entries all used the auto and intr options - auto is redundant, intr may be suitable for /home, but things like ftp.uwa.edu.au should use soft. Given the problems, I've made it all soft, and added an explicit nfsvers=2 for now. The networking was wrong - the broadcast address should be 130.95.13.63, not .64, and the default gateway should be 130.95.13.3, not 130.95.13.1. Logins, even root, seem to access NIS - I've changed some /etc/nsswitch.conf to "files nis" from "compat" so at least we should be able to login as root without a network... Speaking of which, root and other local entries seem to be in NIS - I don't think they should be... Anil suggested keeping a changelog on mussel - I think it's a good idea, but I think a better one is the standard mailing things to tech@ucc (yes, really do it, even for little things). tripwire might be better still... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 25 14:20:32 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:13 2004 Subject: [tech] xdm logins on scarlet Message-ID: <20010225142032.D302085@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Chas Stan-Bishop (chas) couldn't log into scarlet... xdm seems to have hung... Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 25 15:24:25 2001 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:14 2004 Subject: [tech] Local debian mirrors (was Re: [wheel] webcam user not in NIS and general mussel stuff) In-Reply-To: <20010225132058.I205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 01:20:59PM +0800 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010224215038.009fa0f0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010225132058.I205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010225152425.A489322@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 01:20:59PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 11:15:51AM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > [...] > > As for incomplete setups, mussel is supposed to be running woody but the > > UWA and IT mirrors were fscked (specifically the Packages files) when we > > set it up, so it's not very happy. > > Seems fine now... sure it wasn't in the middle of an update...? > > Unfortunately, neither of our closest mirrors have been perfect. > > UWA is deliberate partial mirror (source+i386+alpha only), but its > upstream mirror.aarnet.edu.au had space problems and was missing files. > This is now remedied. UWA moved to IT as an upstream temporarily - I > think it's back to mirror.aarnet.edu.au . Unfortunately, now it looks > like ftp.uwa.edu.au is out of space ( > ftp.uwa.edu.au:/usr/local/ftp/mirrors/linux > 17660720 16800600 0 100% /linux > ), though that may be fixed soon. ftp.uwa.edu.au still syncs from ftp.it.net.au. The space problems have been due to Debian really messing up (TM) and buggering the move into pools somehow so that the mirror takes (literally) a couple of gigabytes more, even with the new architectures filtered out. I'll delete some more packages, and maybe shift back to mirror.aarnet. - Grahame From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 25 15:50:55 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:14 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] Re: [ucc] Mussel In-Reply-To: <20010221234150.A243424@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from devenish@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:41:50PM +0800 References: <20010221224629.A244431@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010221233737.A246436@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010221234150.A243424@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010225155055.K205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:41:50PM +0800, James Devenish wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 11:37:37PM +0800, James Devenish wrote: > > BTW. Nice to see latex2html and netpbm installed. > ^^^^^^ > Hmmm..odd..seems to be incomplete. > I wonder if that's a Debian decision. Ah... The problem seems to be version. netpbm languished for many years but was recently picked up by someone, moved to sourceforge and some new work done. ppmtompeg, for example, which is the tool James wants. Unfortunately, the new versions haven't gone into Debian yet ; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=61908&repeatmerged=yes The maintainer Steve McIntyre is "about done", as of February 5th 2001, but I still don't see anything in unstable uploads... ::-( Mail him. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 25 16:26:19 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:14 2004 Subject: [tech] Local debian mirrors (was Re: [wheel] webcam user not in NIS and general mussel stuff) In-Reply-To: <20010225152425.A489322@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from grahame@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 03:24:25PM +0800 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010224215038.009fa0f0@pop.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010225132058.I205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010225152425.A489322@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010225162619.L205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 03:24:25PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > ftp.uwa.edu.au still syncs from ftp.it.net.au. The space problems have > been due to Debian really messing up (TM) and buggering the move into > pools somehow so that the mirror takes (literally) a couple of gigabytes > more, even with the new architectures filtered out. I think it genuinely takes up that much space, at least I can't find significant amounts of duplicated files with ; mussel: /tmp>find /linux/debian -ls > debian.txt mussel: /tmp>for i in `sort -n +6 debian.txt|awk '{print $7}'|uniq -d|tail -20`;do grep $i debian.txt done|less The woody freeze has begun, so there'll be even more testing and unstable divergence (and space requirements) soon. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From mtearle at ucs.uwa.edu.au Mon Feb 26 21:38:10 2001 From: mtearle at ucs.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:14 2004 Subject: [tech] mail on mussel now working Message-ID: As the subject says... Yours Mark -- Mark Tearle - mtearle@ucs.uwa.edu.au University Communication Services, The University of Western Australia Phone/Voice Mail: +61 8 9380 7950 Fax: +61 8 9380 1109 From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Feb 28 07:52:40 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:15 2004 Subject: [tech] slowness of 'man' on mussel Message-ID: <20010228075240.A171478@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Does anyone else find that 'man' takes an exceptionally long time to find man pages on mussel? Is that something to do with the index format? Compressed files? Invalid entries? Or just that there are very many man pages and I'm wanting the ones from the *end* of the list? ;) -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Feb 28 07:59:25 2001 From: devenish at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Devenish) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:15 2004 Subject: [tech] slowness of 'man' on mussel In-Reply-To: <20010228075240.A171478@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from devenish@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 07:52:40AM +0800 References: <20010228075240.A171478@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010228075925.B171478@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 07:52:40AM +0800, James Devenish wrote: > Does anyone else find that 'man' takes an exceptionally long time to > find man pages on mussel? Is that something to do with the index > format? Compressed files? Invalid entries? Or just that there are very > many man pages and I'm wanting the ones from the *end* of the list? ;) BTW. I know it's generating the formatted pages on-the-fly because they haven't been pregenerated but still, it seems slow at /something/, I'm not sure exactly which part of the process. -- _ ___________________________________________________ _ / ) | | ( \ / / | | \ \ _( (_ | _ James Devenish _ | _) )_ (((\ \> |/ ) ( \| \ / \ _/ \_ / / / | | \ \ / / | | \ \ / / |___________________________________________________| \ \ From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Feb 28 23:50:36 2001 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:22:15 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] Mussel... In-Reply-To: <20010225141844.J205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>; from nick@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 02:18:44PM +0800 References: <20010225084306.A466753@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010225111407.G205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20010225141844.J205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20010228235036.T205022@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 02:18:44PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: [...] > The fstab entries all used the auto and intr options - auto is > redundant, intr may be suitable for /home, but things like > ftp.uwa.edu.au should use soft. Given the problems, I've made it all > soft, and added an explicit nfsvers=2 for now. [...] I think the nfsvers is the most likely thing to have made a difference - seeing as mussel's been up for some time, I might put hard,intr mounts back on /home. On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 03:50:17PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Well, it's either NIS, DNS or some other RPC service :-) I'd blame > Linux's NFS v3 implementation, which probably sucks. A volunteer! Tag, you're it. What, you say you've only written one NFS implementation before? that's enough. ::-) Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick@it.net.au | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal