From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 1 22:19:05 2003 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:19 2004 Subject: [tech] mail Message-ID: Mail was not being delivered locally, due to some rogue socks5 processes that were eating up cpu and keeping the load average above 4. I'm not sure when this started, but mail from Wednesday has been delivered. Tuesday's mail might have gone through or possibly expired in the queue. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Treasurer http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 1 22:21:28 2003 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:21 2004 Subject: [tech] unisfa mac hard drive Message-ID: I took the hard drive out of the unisfa mac on thursday and tried it nautilus, however, nautilus didn't boot (probably because of IDE primar5y/slave conflicts). The drive did make a nasty clicking sound however. Is there someone with a mac with IDE who wants to investigate further? I was goign to try it in the 7200 that will be the new unisfa mac, but it only has scsi. The drive is currently being cooled down in the coke machine. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Treasurer http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From bernard at blackham.com.au Sat Feb 1 22:29:05 2003 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard Blackham) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:21 2004 Subject: [tech] unisfa mac hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030201142905.GA8024@amidala> On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 10:21:28PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > I took the hard drive out of the unisfa mac on thursday and tried it > nautilus, however, nautilus didn't boot (probably because of IDE > primar5y/slave conflicts). The drive did make a nasty clicking sound > however. Is there someone with a mac with IDE who wants to investigate > further? I was goign to try it in the 7200 that will be the new unisfa > mac, but it only has scsi. The drive is currently being cooled down in the > coke machine. The mac I just replaced had an equally dead IDE mac hard drive with funny clicky sound symptoms... Though I managed to get its image and I'll run Norton or DiskWarrior over it when I get a hold of a copy. I'll do this one at the same time. Is there anything valuable on the disk? Bernard. -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 1 22:30:43 2003 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:21 2004 Subject: [tech] unisfa mac hard drive In-Reply-To: <20030201142905.GA8024@amidala> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Bernard Blackham wrote: > On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 10:21:28PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > > I took the hard drive out of the unisfa mac on thursday and tried it > > nautilus, however, nautilus didn't boot (probably because of IDE > > primar5y/slave conflicts). The drive did make a nasty clicking sound > > however. Is there someone with a mac with IDE who wants to investigate > > further? I was goign to try it in the 7200 that will be the new unisfa > > mac, but it only has scsi. The drive is currently being cooled down in the > > coke machine. > > The mac I just replaced had an equally dead IDE mac hard drive with > funny clicky sound symptoms... Though I managed to get its image and > I'll run Norton or DiskWarrior over it when I get a hold of a copy. > I'll do this one at the same time. Is there anything valuable on the > disk? The UniSFa library catalouge is the primary thing to recover. Feel free to grab whatever else you can, but don't worry if you happen to irrecovably delete the purity test. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Treasurer http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From elixxir at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Feb 4 16:02:40 2003 From: elixxir at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Paul Marinceu) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:21 2004 Subject: [tech] GnuPG and mail Message-ID: Hi all, Can someone please install something like pinegpg or pgp4pine on mussel please. (now that I have all these keys from lca) :) Cheers -- Paul Marinceu http://elixxir.ucc.asn.au From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Feb 13 02:29:06 2003 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:21 2004 Subject: [tech] zsh on morwong Message-ID: I've updated zsh on morwong to the latest version, 4.0.6. zsh tip of the day: zsh can do tab completion on tar files (including tar.gz files). -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Treasurer http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Thu Feb 13 22:05:08 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:22 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... Message-ID: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> Does the UCC have any spare switch hardware? I was idly thinking, having a small switch and powerboard (screwed-down) to the centre table would probably make it better for laptop users, giving them somewhere to plug in, rather then having them stealing points from the side of the room. We could have cables emerge discreetly from the machine room going into said devices on said desk. Plus, we could put them on a subnet that's even less trusted then the UCC clubroom subnet. The same switch could also be used for people setting up boxes in the UCC. Perhaps we should also consider a bigger/better table and chairs for the centre of the room?? Pluses as I see them: - we don't have people rearranging our network connections - we have people on a much anal retentive lan if we so wish - we have lots of easily accessable ports Minuses: - we have a switch and powerboard screwed to the table, they _could_ be stolen, though at $60 it's not that big an investment It's just an idea I was thinking of. I was also thinking of using the spare two pairs on the cat5 used to sense the UniSFA door for data transmission, then we could get UCC-network in UniSFA. Of course, it would make sense to only extend the network that we use for LAN's up there, I don't trust those gastly UniSFAns. --Davyd -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030213/5393228c/attachment.pgp From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Fri Feb 14 16:45:57 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:23 2004 Subject: [tech] RIP Cobbler Message-ID: <1045212357.900.5.camel@pingu> It would seem that Cobbler, may it rest in pieces, died today. Probably as a result of it's constant overclocking. Matthias has spent the day building that Athlon (is it Luyer's?) into the case that cobbler once resided in. The ex-cobbler (name suggestions please), requires a re-install for it to be made useful again. Please don't play with it until it's been backed up and reinstalled. My favourite name for the machine that rose, like a phoenix, from cobber's ashes is chola (check out www.fishbase.org). --Davyd -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030214/e7ae21ec/attachment.pgp From tieryn at coman.com.au Fri Feb 14 16:52:45 2003 From: tieryn at coman.com.au (Chris Coman) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:23 2004 Subject: [tech] RIP Cobbler In-Reply-To: <1045212357.900.5.camel@pingu> Message-ID: <005c01c2d406$71632350$8c01a8c0@krondor> I think we should call it Couman-Couman http://www.fishbase.org/ComNames/CommonNameSearchSpeciesList.cfm?CommonN ame=Couman%2Dcouman Or, in honour of Ford Prefect's happy little robot (and also weirdly enough a fish name) we could call it Colin http://www.fishbase.org/ComNames/CommonNameSearchSpeciesList.cfm?CommonN ame=Colin (also people could get the computer confused with Colm *chuckle*) Coman > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > [mailto:tech-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Davyd > 'proXy' Madeley > Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 4:46 PM > To: UCC Tech List > Subject: [tech] RIP Cobbler > > > It would seem that Cobbler, may it rest in pieces, died > today. Probably > as a result of it's constant overclocking. > Matthias has spent the day building that Athlon (is it Luyer's?) into > the case that cobbler once resided in. > > The ex-cobbler (name suggestions please), requires a re-install for it > to be made useful again. Please don't play with it until it's been > backed up and reinstalled. > > My favourite name for the machine that rose, like a phoenix, from > cobber's ashes is chola (check out www.fishbase.org). > > --Davyd > > -- > http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ > > PGP Fingerprint > 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA > From matthias at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 14 17:57:35 2003 From: matthias at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Matthias Liffers) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:23 2004 Subject: [tech] RIP Cobbler In-Reply-To: <1045212357.900.5.camel@pingu> Message-ID: <001201c2d40f$8085b740$0a01a8c0@deiectus.deiectus.com> > The ex-cobbler (name suggestions please), requires a > re-install for it to be made useful again. Please don't play > with it until it's been backed up and reinstalled. I don't know about the Linux install on cobbler, but the Windows install definitely needs to be nuked and reinstalled. The question is, which Windows should be put on it? The choices are 98SE, Me, 2K and XP. Please, I don't want anybody saying "Not because it's crap", I'm after people saying "We need because it provides this or that feature." I personally believe that either Me or XP should be put on there, and cobbler should be kept as an insecure user box, so people don't screw up cybium with all their crap. Then again, I wouldn't mind a second secure user box (2K or XP) so that if someone wants to use a Windows machine that won't crash every 30 seconds, they have a higher chance of getting one. Comments? Ideas? Suggestions? Flames? Matthias From acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 14 18:10:26 2003 From: acolyte at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Bailey) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:24 2004 Subject: [tech] RIP Cobbler In-Reply-To: <001201c2d40f$8085b740$0a01a8c0@deiectus.deiectus.com> References: <1045212357.900.5.camel@pingu> <001201c2d40f$8085b740$0a01a8c0@deiectus.deiectus.com> Message-ID: <20030214101026.GA266095@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:57:35PM +0800, Matthias Liffers wrote: Ok, if it's going to be a single boot machine then go either XP or 2K, depending on memory ( 256 2k , 512+ xp ). duel boot , chuck at least 2k or XP and them ME. Don't piss arround with 98 cause there is no point. ME has all the feature plus. Basically ME is good for games, the NT varients are good for hacking on especially in a real Win32 enviroment, which most people don't play with enough[1]. Andrew, drunken and mad. PS, putting the win32 unix binaries on might be a cool idea. They're in source forge from memory. Google knows all. And vi, the worlds best editor:) PPS oh do we have a copy of visual C .NET ? Chuck that on as well if we have it. [1] damn those linux weenies. -- "The hot dog eating contest is not only a beautiful display of athleticism, it is a fundamental way for citizens of all nations to display patriotism," - Wayne Norbitz From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Fri Feb 14 18:15:29 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:24 2004 Subject: [tech] RIP Cobbler In-Reply-To: <001201c2d40f$8085b740$0a01a8c0@deiectus.deiectus.com> References: <001201c2d40f$8085b740$0a01a8c0@deiectus.deiectus.com> Message-ID: <1045217728.898.15.camel@pingu> On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 17:57, Matthias Liffers wrote: > Please, I don't want anybody saying "Not because it's > crap", I'm after people saying "We need because it > provides this or that feature." I'm thinking (and I think James thinks also), that Windows 2k SP3 would be the best choice. We could install that tonight. --Davyd -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030214/bd7f8d21/attachment.pgp From tieryn at coman.com.au Fri Feb 14 18:23:44 2003 From: tieryn at coman.com.au (Chris Coman) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:25 2004 Subject: [tech] RIP Cobbler In-Reply-To: <001201c2d40f$8085b740$0a01a8c0@deiectus.deiectus.com> Message-ID: <006401c2d413$271a5720$8c01a8c0@krondor> > The question is, which Windows should be put on it? The > choices are 98SE, > Me, 2K and XP. > > Please, I don't want anybody saying "Not here> because it's > crap", I'm after people saying "We need > because it > provides this or that feature." We need <98, 2k or XP> here because it provides the feature that it is not ME and therefore not crap. Hrm. Think I worked around that one :P I think 98SE would be good, on the insecure box idea, however XP with enabled guest and full privlidges or simply Admin with no password would also work just as well, and I wouldn't mind having some more of the things XP has to offer, extended tweakability, and well, general wellness over 98SE. This doesn't mean I'm against 2k either with the same concepts on security, but I personally prefer XP. > I personally believe that either Me or XP should be put on there, and > cobbler should be kept as an insecure user box, so people > don't screw up > cybium with all their crap. > > Then again, I wouldn't mind a second secure user box (2K or > XP) so that if > someone wants to use a Windows machine that won't crash every > 30 seconds, > they have a higher chance of getting one. Coman From john at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 14 18:35:22 2003 From: john at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (John West McKenna) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:25 2004 Subject: [tech] RIP Cobbler In-Reply-To: <001201c2d40f$8085b740$0a01a8c0@deiectus.deiectus.com> from Matthias Liffers at "Feb 14, 2003 05:57:35 pm" Message-ID: <200302141035.SAA06925@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Matthias Liffers writes: >The question is, which Windows should be put on it? The choices are 98SE, >Me, 2K and XP. I haven't used XP, so I can't comment on it. But I have used the others, and... "Not the first two. They're crap". I have 2K at work and on my laptop. It runs well, and hasn't crashed in the 2.5 years I've been using it. I don't play games on it, of course (I just write them ;-) But the gamers are definitely second-class citizens. Their needs don't count. But then I'll never use the machine, so don't listen to me. John From david at luyer.net Sat Feb 15 07:48:35 2003 From: david at luyer.net (David Luyer) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:25 2004 Subject: [tech] RIP Cobbler References: <1045212357.900.5.camel@pingu><001201c2d40f$8085b740$0a01a8c0@deiectus.deiectus.com> <20030214101026.GA266095@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <017a01c2d483$9da86ba0$46943ecb@pacific.net.au> > PS, putting the win32 unix binaries on might be a cool idea. They're > in source forge from memory. Google knows all. And vi, the worlds best editor:) Hopefully WinVi not that gVim crap ;-) And by Win32 Unix binaries I think you mean http://www.cygwin.com/ ; yes, these can be very useful. Another 'essential' is PuTTY. David. From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Feb 13 22:29:30 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland (UCC)) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:25 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> Message-ID: <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 10:05:08PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > Does the UCC have any spare switch hardware? Buy a wireless card. Problem solvered. From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 15 20:10:50 2003 From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:25 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030215121050.GH57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, Feb 13, 2003, Grahame Bowland wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 10:05:08PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > > Does the UCC have any spare switch hardware? > > Buy a wireless card. Problem solvered. Yeah. Because that 100mbit pc<->PC shit is possible. Guys - netgear fs105. 5-port 10/100 autosensing switch. About $120. Rock fucking ass. I have two of them. Great switches for this purpose. Adrian From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 15 20:33:19 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:25 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030215121050.GH57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215121050.GH57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030215123319.GA22978@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 08:10:50PM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2003, Grahame Bowland wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 10:05:08PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > > > Does the UCC have any spare switch hardware? > > > > Buy a wireless card. Problem solvered. > > Yeah. Because that 100mbit pc<->PC shit is possible. > > Guys - netgear fs105. 5-port 10/100 autosensing switch. About $120. > Rock fucking ass. I have two of them. Great switches for this purpose. Having random cables everywhere just isn't a good idea. People trip on them and your shiny $2k laptop goes flying across the room. A saner idea would be to leave an empty bench space for laptops, or an even saner idea would be to use wireless. From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 15 20:35:46 2003 From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:26 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030215123319.GA22978@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215121050.GH57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215123319.GA22978@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030215123546.GI57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > would be to leave an empty bench space for laptops, or an even saner > idea would be to use wireless. Not that I ever _tried_ that, but was accused of only clearing a space for myself.. Adrian From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 15 20:42:18 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:26 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030215123546.GI57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215121050.GH57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215123319.GA22978@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215123546.GI57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030215124217.GB22978@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 08:35:46PM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > > > would be to leave an empty bench space for laptops, or an even saner > > idea would be to use wireless. > > Not that I ever _tried_ that, but was accused of only clearing a space for myself.. Nature abhors a vacume. It's never going to happen. :-) Just like the desk would never be clear of crap long enough for someone to plug their laptop in. From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Sat Feb 15 21:49:09 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:27 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 22:29, Grahame Bowland wrote: > Buy a wireless card. Problem solvered. It's been on order since I ordered this notebook. Non-the-less... This wasn't actually a 'I want my wireless' rant, it was actually an idea I've been toying with for a while. There are a number of people who bring computers into the UCC to set them up, as well as people who want to plug in to 100mbits for some reason. Basically this would give them nice easy access to power/ethernet, without having to take it from the sides of the room. Which actually means LESS cables to trip up on. Because lets face it, people will always want to do it in the middle of the room, the outside should be maximised for terminal usage. We could have one power, and one ethernet cable come out from the machine room, plus we could tuck them up neatly so we could minimise the problems. We could also connect it to the WAIX subnet if we so wished. Just trying to think of ways to make things neater. If it's not implemented it won't bother me, I'll have my wireless too soon, and then I'll just sit in UniSFA. You don't have to like the idea. --Davyd -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Grahame From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Sat Feb 15 21:52:09 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:27 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030215121050.GH57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215121050.GH57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1045317129.1032.9.camel@pingu> On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 20:10, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Yeah. Because that 100mbit pc<->PC shit is possible. I was thinking cheaper then that. It doesn't have to be good. Just think, you'd be able to whore from meito at 100mbit, and soon enough the UCC will have fibre to acheron... then you'd be able to apt-get update at f**k-off speed. -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I assume you mean the all new cobbler, the one running Luyer's athlon. > I'll be blowing away the current Windows install, so be warned and send > me email if you have anything you want on there. It's already pretty > dead though, most of the games and things people had installed have been > cloberred by someone. Matthias was doing that, all the important stuff (afaik) is backed up on a harddrive in the machine room. I showed it to James. -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030215/696f10d3/attachment.pgp From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Feb 15 22:02:20 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:28 2004 Subject: [tech] Cobbler In-Reply-To: <1045317273.1030.12.camel@pingu> References: <20030215135141.GB24729@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045317273.1030.12.camel@pingu> Message-ID: <20030215140219.GA25195@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:54:33PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 21:51, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > > > Cobbler has been locked away in the machine room. Something is horribly > > wrong with it (absymal performance under Windows and Linux, hard hangs > > every five to ten minutes) and I wanted to prevent anything bad > > happening to it (like it being turned on and melting) before I have time > > to fix it tommorow. > > I assume you mean the all new cobbler, the one running Luyer's athlon. I mean the cobbler that is in the machine room now, yes. > > I'll be blowing away the current Windows install, so be warned and send > > me email if you have anything you want on there. It's already pretty > > dead though, most of the games and things people had installed have been > > cloberred by someone. > > Matthias was doing that, all the important stuff (afaik) is backed up on > a harddrive in the machine room. I showed it to James. Fine. It still doesn't work, and I'm going to take care of it. Say hello to a Samba PDC and not having Admin unless you're in wheel! :-) (Also means nice things like getting your home area and your own desktop, and other good things.) And also not having your setup randomly blown away by some gumby. From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Sat Feb 15 22:08:32 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:30 2004 Subject: [tech] Cobbler In-Reply-To: <20030215140219.GA25195@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030215135141.GB24729@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215140219.GA25195@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1045318111.1031.17.camel@pingu> On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 22:02, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > Fine. It still doesn't work, and I'm going to take care of it. Say hello > to a Samba PDC and not having Admin unless you're in wheel! :-) > > (Also means nice things like getting your home area and your own > desktop, and other good things.) And also not having your setup randomly > blown away by some gumby. I've wanted this done for ages! Although... the problem with attempting to make cobbler a secure box, is that is has that harddrive caddy, hence forth making it quite a bit easier to root. Do you really want that gumby who shoved his harddrive in gaining access to your home directory? Then again, it can't be any less secure then the way our homedirs are mounted now... -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Say hello > > to a Samba PDC and not having Admin unless you're in wheel! :-) > > > > (Also means nice things like getting your home area and your own > > desktop, and other good things.) And also not having your setup randomly > > blown away by some gumby. > > I've wanted this done for ages! > > Although... the problem with attempting to make cobbler a secure box, is > that is has that harddrive caddy, hence forth making it quite a bit > easier to root. Do you really want that gumby who shoved his harddrive > in gaining access to your home directory? > > Then again, it can't be any less secure then the way our homedirs are > mounted now... If we lock the machine down and the hard drive is on the secondary IDE bus it shouldn't really pose a problem. They could make the machine stop working, but that's not hard anyway :-) Anyway, I'll play tommorow. The Linux on there is okay and James will kill me if I touch it (TM). The box itself needs some attention though, which will be the first thing. From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Sat Feb 15 22:21:54 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:32 2004 Subject: [tech] Cobbler In-Reply-To: <20030215141552.GB25195@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030215135141.GB24729@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045318111.1031.17.camel@pingu> <20030215141552.GB25195@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1045318914.1028.23.camel@pingu> On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 22:15, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > If we lock the machine down and the hard drive is on the secondary IDE > bus it shouldn't really pose a problem. They could make the machine stop > working, but that's not hard anyway :-) Nothing that can't be acheived with a shiny new padlock :) > Anyway, I'll play tommorow. The Linux on there is okay and James will > kill me if I touch it (TM). The box itself needs some attention though, > which will be the first thing. Yeah, James fixed the up Debian after I explained the insanity of ATA100 controllers in those ASUS boards. Windows was just generally fucked, I suspect this is related to the lack of drivers that were installed. Something else we need is a PCI sound card. I seem to be lacking any, as does the UCC. One may have to be purchased. I assume the linux will also be secured... although this will be a pity, as we'll loose a machine that is good to experiment on. I guess I have my notebook now. -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Coman > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > [mailto:tech-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Davyd > 'proXy' Madeley > Sent: Saturday, 15 February 2003 10:22 PM > To: UCC Tech List > Subject: Re: [tech] Cobbler > > > On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 22:15, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > > > If we lock the machine down and the hard drive is on the > secondary IDE > > bus it shouldn't really pose a problem. They could make the > machine stop > > working, but that's not hard anyway :-) > > Nothing that can't be acheived with a shiny new padlock :) > > > Anyway, I'll play tommorow. The Linux on there is okay and > James will > > kill me if I touch it (TM). The box itself needs some > attention though, > > which will be the first thing. > > Yeah, James fixed the up Debian after I explained the > insanity of ATA100 > controllers in those ASUS boards. > Windows was just generally fucked, I suspect this is related > to the lack > of drivers that were installed. > > Something else we need is a PCI sound card. I seem to be > lacking any, as > does the UCC. One may have to be purchased. > > I assume the linux will also be secured... although this will > be a pity, > as we'll loose a machine that is good to experiment on. I guess I have > my notebook now. > > -- > http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ > > PGP Fingerprint > 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA > From bernard at blackham.com.au Sat Feb 15 23:03:36 2003 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard Blackham) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:33 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> Message-ID: <20030215150336.GA11185@amidala> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:49:09PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > We could have one power, and one ethernet cable come out from the > machine room, plus we could tuck them up neatly so we could minimise the > problems. Ideally, it'd be marginally safer if the network/power came down from above like the old phone line used to. Hence there'd be absolutely nothing to trip over except yourself... Another point, is if it's going to become common, there are only 7 DHCPable IPs in the 130.95.13. range... it may only *just* be enough. Perhaps we could spill out into 130.95.13.128/27-28 for non-UCC machines? -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I considered this, but weren't we forced to take that cable down? > Another point, is if it's going to become common, there are only 7 > DHCPable IPs in the 130.95.13. range... it may only *just* be > enough. Perhaps we could spill out into 130.95.13.128/27-28 for > non-UCC machines? Exactly, plus we could have them on a separate interface, keeping them out of things they're not allowed in. Like the ip's of certain machines... -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030215/a7ed131c/attachment.pgp From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 16 02:35:13 2003 From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:34 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030215150336.GA11185@amidala> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> <20030215150336.GA11185@amidala> Message-ID: <20030215183513.GJ57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003, Bernard Blackham wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:49:09PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > > We could have one power, and one ethernet cable come out from the > > machine room, plus we could tuck them up neatly so we could minimise the > > problems. > > Ideally, it'd be marginally safer if the network/power came down > from above like the old phone line used to. Hence there'd be > absolutely nothing to trip over except yourself... > Or, you know, clearing a space on a desk which is equipped with power points and _stressing_ that the ethernet ports and power ports are for that desk. No extension leads, no long ethernet cables. Because, lets face it, us UCCans are a lazy bunch of geeks. Perhaps some usage rules, along with enforcing them, may go a long way. Its mmeant to be fun, but fun for everyone. So, my vote, incidentally, is to clean the entire workbench between the machine room and the door for user machines and perhaps a single windows machine. The rest of the space should be -kept- clean. (Although, if one can't expect to find the bins clean, ..) cynical.. :) Adrian Adrian From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 16 02:38:28 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:34 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030215183513.GJ57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <20030213142930.GC6277@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> <20030215150336.GA11185@amidala> <20030215183513.GJ57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030215183827.GA31969@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:35:13AM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003, Bernard Blackham wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:49:09PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > > > We could have one power, and one ethernet cable come out from the > > > machine room, plus we could tuck them up neatly so we could minimise the > > > problems. > > > > Ideally, it'd be marginally safer if the network/power came down > > from above like the old phone line used to. Hence there'd be > > absolutely nothing to trip over except yourself... > > > > Or, you know, clearing a space on a desk which is equipped with power > points and _stressing_ that the ethernet ports and power ports are > for that desk. No extension leads, no long ethernet cables. > > Because, lets face it, us UCCans are a lazy bunch of geeks. > Perhaps some usage rules, along with enforcing them, may go > a long way. Its mmeant to be fun, but fun for everyone. > > So, my vote, incidentally, is to clean the entire workbench between > the machine room and the door for user machines and perhaps a single > windows machine. The rest of the space should be -kept- clean. > > (Although, if one can't expect to find the bins clean, ..) We're pretty much full up with working terminals for users though. Hence my reference to wireless - I mean, we've even stolen the UCC monitor on Chas' box to put it on Nautilus. I hadn't thought about this much. I'm still guessing the easiest way is wireless, that's what it's there for. From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 16 03:11:53 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:34 2004 Subject: [tech] BGP on mussel Message-ID: <20030215191153.GB31969@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> It's back, it's black, and it's smoking crack! (This is code for: never, ever, ever upgrade Zebra. The guy randomly changes syntax and is Japanese, so the documentation can leave something to be desired.) From john at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Feb 16 20:02:55 2003 From: john at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (John West McKenna) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:34 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030215123319.GA22978@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> from "Grahame Bowland (UCC)" at "Feb 15, 2003 08:33:19 pm" Message-ID: <200302161202.UAA06912@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Grahame Bowland (UCC) writes: >Having random cables everywhere just isn't a good idea. People trip on >them and your shiny $2k laptop goes flying across the room. Lotsa wood. The jigsaw. A bunch of expendable freshers who really don't need that many fingers. What kind of a computer room is it without a raised floor? John From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Mon Feb 17 12:26:21 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:35 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030215183827.GA31969@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> <20030215150336.GA11185@amidala> <20030215183513.GJ57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215183827.GA31969@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1045455981.994.0.camel@pingu> On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 02:38, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > I hadn't thought about this much. I'm still guessing the easiest way is > wireless, that's what it's there for. *bangs Grahame on the head with his cane* PC's don't have wireless, and they're probably the biggest culprit. -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030217/d23ce261/attachment.pgp From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Feb 17 15:29:03 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:35 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <1045455981.994.0.camel@pingu> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> <20030215150336.GA11185@amidala> <20030215183513.GJ57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030215183827.GA31969@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045455981.994.0.camel@pingu> Message-ID: <20030217072902.GB21458@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 12:26:21PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 02:38, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > > > I hadn't thought about this much. I'm still guessing the easiest way is > > wireless, that's what it's there for. > > *bangs Grahame on the head with his cane* > > PC's don't have wireless, and they're probably the biggest culprit. What the hell are you ranting about? Firstly, PC's can have wireless. Please observe the wireless gateway flying. Secondly, people bringing in their own PCs and setting them up on the centre table just gets *antisocial*. Sitting around with laptops is fine, but I don't suppose you remember a UCC when we had decent couches and sat on them and talked. If you want to bring in your own PC, fine. Set it up somewhere but do not steal the ethernet from or in any way render unusable a UCC terminal. From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Mon Feb 17 15:43:51 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:36 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030217072902.GB21458@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> <20030215150336.GA11185@amidala> <20030215183513.GJ57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045455981.994.0.camel@pingu> <20030217072902.GB21458@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1045467831.995.4.camel@pingu> Before this gets flamey... On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 15:29, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > Firstly, PC's can have wireless. Please observe the wireless gateway > flying. The PC's people bring in don't have wireless. I know they _can_ have wireless, but it's not exactly a common occurance. > Secondly, people bringing in their own PCs and setting them up on the > centre table just gets *antisocial*. Sitting around with laptops is > fine, but I don't suppose you remember a UCC when we had decent couches > and sat on them and talked. I know people sit on the couch(es) and talk. However, people also set up on the centre table, and do their machines there. People aren't going to set up around the room where there is little to no space at all. > If you want to bring in your own PC, fine. Set it up somewhere but do > not steal the ethernet from or in any way render unusable a UCC > terminal. This is the problem isn't it. There are about 7 ip's you can DHCP from around the clubroom, and very few working ethernet ports. Do you see the problem yet? -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 227 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030217/b9cab2d8/attachment.pgp From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Feb 17 15:54:03 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:36 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <1045467831.995.4.camel@pingu> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> <20030215150336.GA11185@amidala> <20030215183513.GJ57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045455981.994.0.camel@pingu> <20030217072902.GB21458@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045467831.995.4.camel@pingu> Message-ID: <20030217075402.GC21458@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 03:43:51PM +0800, Davyd 'proXy' Madeley wrote: > Before this gets flamey... > > On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 15:29, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > > > Firstly, PC's can have wireless. Please observe the wireless gateway > > flying. > > The PC's people bring in don't have wireless. I know they _can_ have > wireless, but it's not exactly a common occurance. Yes. > > Secondly, people bringing in their own PCs and setting them up on the > > centre table just gets *antisocial*. Sitting around with laptops is > > fine, but I don't suppose you remember a UCC when we had decent couches > > and sat on them and talked. > > I know people sit on the couch(es) and talk. However, people also set up > on the centre table, and do their machines there. People aren't going to > set up around the room where there is little to no space at all. Yes. > > If you want to bring in your own PC, fine. Set it up somewhere but do > > not steal the ethernet from or in any way render unusable a UCC > > terminal. > > This is the problem isn't it. There are about 7 ip's you can DHCP from > around the clubroom, and very few working ethernet ports. Do you see the > problem yet? Yes, but it's not an easily fixable one. Perhaps a sensible way of doing it is to make room on the bench outside the clubroom - the terminals there aren't used as much as the ones in the clubroom much. From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Feb 17 17:15:21 2003 From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:36 2004 Subject: [tech] Centre table... In-Reply-To: <20030217075402.GC21458@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <1045145107.6034.15.camel@pingu> <1045316949.1030.6.camel@pingu> <20030215150336.GA11185@amidala> <20030215183513.GJ57817@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045455981.994.0.camel@pingu> <20030217072902.GB21458@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <1045467831.995.4.camel@pingu> <20030217075402.GC21458@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030217091521.GA343996@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Mon, Feb 17, 2003, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > > > If you want to bring in your own PC, fine. Set it up somewhere but do > > > not steal the ethernet from or in any way render unusable a UCC > > > terminal. > > > > This is the problem isn't it. There are about 7 ip's you can DHCP from > > around the clubroom, and very few working ethernet ports. Do you see the > > problem yet? > > Yes, but it's not an easily fixable one. Perhaps a sensible way of doing > it is to make room on the bench outside the clubroom - the terminals > there aren't used as much as the ones in the clubroom much. But you can't leave your computer there. eep. Look. There's plenty of desk space. There'll be even more if we get rid of the machine room and look at throwing UCC machines into a couple of racks hidden away against a wall. If people keep bringing their machines in then _make room for them_. Don't just throw crap in the middle of the room for everyone to trip over. perhaps, _GASP_, someone might consider putting the CPU boxes under the tables if there were enough room to sit. How often does anyone in UCC _use_ the stuff lurking under the tables? Not very often. We can always go and get a strange monitor out of storage if its required. Adrian From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Feb 17 23:33:12 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:37 2004 Subject: [tech] Webcams Message-ID: <20030217153312.GC10630@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> After a lot of messing about, Mesh and I got the second camera plugged into flying. We've now got two bt848 cards in there - one belongs to me and one belongs to Matthias. Someone needs to prod the archiving thing to make it play nicely. You can actually see light from various standby indicators on the new cameras :-) Have fun Grahame From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 21 00:10:26 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:37 2004 Subject: [tech] LDAP authentication Message-ID: <20030220161025.GB14416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi all, We now have LDAP authentication. There is an OpenLDAP server running on mussel with all of our users in it. It supports bind operations against user records to verify passwords. Tangerine (the iMac) is now doing LDAP authentication, although with an absolutely horrible wait to log in. The delay does not appear to be directly LDAP related; it seems to be doing NetInfo lookups, failing, then doing LDAP and then immediately working. Once you have logged in it all works fine - home directory, applications run, it's all good. Details for people configuring LDAP authentication on UCC machines: * base DN is: o=The University Computer Club,c=AU * script to generate LDAP config: ~grahame/ldap/run.sh * currently populated from NIS If you ssh into tangerine as a normal user it's fine, you'll have a home directory and there won't be timeouts. The problem seems to be with the GUI login application. I'm trying to find out how people on campus are getting around this, although I suspect most departments are running Apple's 'OpenDirectory' LDAP server which gets around the problem by populating NetInfo too. (The reason I did this: NIS is broken in 10.2 and won't be fixed. And I wanted to get Nautilus onto 10.2 so we can use the nice new applications, and get a slightly less jelly-bean based UI experience.) For sanity, please email tech if you either play with the LDAP on tangerine or touch the LDAP server config so that we're not working at cross-purposes. Cheers, Grahame PS: I hear rumours that OpenLDAP + Kerberos is a go for Win2K if you sacrifice enough chickens. PPS: I've tried to change the lookupd configuration in NetInfo although it doesn't seem to have helped. From coxy at classicsnetwork.com Fri Feb 21 08:42:58 2003 From: coxy at classicsnetwork.com (James Cox) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:37 2004 Subject: [tech] LDAP authentication In-Reply-To: <20030220161025.GB14416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <6C61B7C0-4535-11D7-8028-0003938F75A4@classicsnetwork.com> I don't know jack about this, but it seems like the Open Directory documentation would be a good place to start, although there never seems to be anything germane to work-arounds on the Apple site (as we discovered when trying to install Mac OS X using NetBoot from Server 1.2)... Evil long URL: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Networking/Open_Directory/ Introduction/index.html?http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/ Networking/Open_Directory/Introduction/Open_Directory_Overview.html [RME] ~Coxy On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 12:10 AM, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > Tangerine (the iMac) is now doing LDAP authentication, > although with an absolutely horrible wait to log in. The > delay does not appear to be directly LDAP related; it seems > to be doing NetInfo lookups, failing, then doing LDAP and > then immediately working. From bers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 21 18:02:25 2003 From: bers at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Rohrlach) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:37 2004 Subject: [tech] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (fwd) Message-ID: "a long failure period"??? 16 seconds? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:27:49 -0800 From: Mail Delivery System To: bers@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: yakk-ucc-mail@yakk.net retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from asclepius.uwa.edu.au ([130.95.128.56]) by nowhere.parts-unknown.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18m9TB-000529-00 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:27:49 -0800 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id C08592F8B04 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:27:46 +0800 (WST) Received: from ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.9]) by asclepius.uwa.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7322F8A32 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:27:46 +0800 (WST) Received: from mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (root@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.17]) by ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h1L9RcJ3012007; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:27:39 +0800 Received: from localhost (bers@localhost) by mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA28013; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:27:35 +0800 X-Authentication-Warning: mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: bers owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:27:33 +0800 (WST) From: Nick Rohrlach To: Peter N Lewis Cc: webmasters@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Subject: Re: Newsletters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.43 On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Peter N Lewis wrote: > I have the April 1996 newsletter scanned in as a 1meg .gif (it is > only a single page). If I send it to you, can you put it up on the > web site? Sorry for the delay with this Peter but I've finally gotten the stuff up there. Thanks for all your effort - I for one have had a great read... it's interesting to note that the club seemed to be facing the same identity crisis in 1990 (what should we do? how should we go forward?) and also had guild problems. Nick -- -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Nick "bers" Rohrlach [NRR] bers@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- From matt at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 21 19:00:39 2003 From: matt at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Matt Johnston) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:38 2004 Subject: [tech] LDAP authentication In-Reply-To: <20030220161025.GB14416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030220161025.GB14416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030221110039.GA469025@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Seems that the problem was tangerine doing inet6 lookups to mussel (specified by hostname), and waiting for lots of timeouts, due to mussel not listening on inet6 for ldap. I've changed it to mussel by 130.95.13.18, it seems happy now. Matt On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:10:26AM +0800, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > Hi all, > > We now have LDAP authentication. There is an OpenLDAP server > running on mussel with all of our users in it. It supports > bind operations against user records to verify passwords. > > Tangerine (the iMac) is now doing LDAP authentication, > although with an absolutely horrible wait to log in. The > delay does not appear to be directly LDAP related; it seems > to be doing NetInfo lookups, failing, then doing LDAP and > then immediately working. > > Once you have logged in it all works fine - home directory, > applications run, it's all good. > > Details for people configuring LDAP authentication on UCC > machines: > * base DN is: o=The University Computer Club,c=AU > * script to generate LDAP config: ~grahame/ldap/run.sh > * currently populated from NIS > > If you ssh into tangerine as a normal user it's fine, you'll > have a home directory and there won't be timeouts. The problem > seems to be with the GUI login application. > > I'm trying to find out how people on campus are getting around > this, although I suspect most departments are running Apple's > 'OpenDirectory' LDAP server which gets around the problem > by populating NetInfo too. > > (The reason I did this: NIS is broken in 10.2 and won't be > fixed. And I wanted to get Nautilus onto 10.2 so we can use > the nice new applications, and get a slightly less jelly-bean > based UI experience.) > > For sanity, please email tech if you either play with the LDAP > on tangerine or touch the LDAP server config so that we're not > working at cross-purposes. > > Cheers, > Grahame > > PS: I hear rumours that OpenLDAP + Kerberos is a go for Win2K > if you sacrifice enough chickens. > > PPS: I've tried to change the lookupd configuration in NetInfo > although it doesn't seem to have helped. From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 21 20:55:49 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:38 2004 Subject: [tech] LDAP authentication In-Reply-To: <20030221110039.GA469025@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030220161025.GB14416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030221110039.GA469025@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030221125548.GA11074@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:00:39PM +0800, Matt Johnston wrote: > Seems that the problem was tangerine doing inet6 lookups to mussel > (specified by hostname), and waiting for lots of timeouts, due to mussel not > listening on inet6 for ldap. I've changed it to mussel by 130.95.13.18, it > seems happy now. Thanks Matt! :-) From trent at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Feb 21 21:04:05 2003 From: trent at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Trent Lloyd) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:38 2004 Subject: [ucc] Re: [tech] LDAP authentication In-Reply-To: <20030221125548.GA11074@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030220161025.GB14416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030221110039.GA469025@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030221125548.GA11074@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030221130405.GB354044@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:55:49PM +0800, Grahame Bowland (UCC) wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:00:39PM +0800, Matt Johnston wrote: > > Seems that the problem was tangerine doing inet6 lookups to mussel Cute. At least IPv6 support works properly ;) Now to find an IPv6 patch for LDAP? ;) Also shouldnt these be running on mooneye instead of mussel...? > > (specified by hostname), and waiting for lots of timeouts, due to mussel not > > listening on inet6 for ldap. I've changed it to mussel by 130.95.13.18, it > > seems happy now. > > Thanks Matt! :-) From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Fri Feb 21 21:52:58 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:39 2004 Subject: [ucc] Re: [tech] LDAP authentication In-Reply-To: <20030221130405.GB354044@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030220161025.GB14416@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030221110039.GA469025@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030221125548.GA11074@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030221130405.GB354044@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <1045835578.1117.3.camel@pingu> On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 21:04, Trent Lloyd wrote: > Cute. At least IPv6 support works properly ;) > Now to find an IPv6 patch for LDAP? ;) *slap* no, we don't need IPv6, unlike your average lamer, we have our own /24 ;) > Also shouldnt these be running on mooneye instead of mussel...? I don't see why it matters, we run a NIS server on morwong after all. --Davyd -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At least IPv6 support works properly ;) > > Now to find an IPv6 patch for LDAP? ;) > > *slap* no, we don't need IPv6, unlike your average lamer, we have our > own /24 ;) Yes we do > > > Also shouldnt these be running on mooneye instead of mussel...? > > I don't see why it matters, we run a NIS server on morwong after all. > > --Davyd > > -- > http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ > > PGP Fingerprint > 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From davyd at zdlcomputing.com Sat Feb 22 01:05:40 2003 From: davyd at zdlcomputing.com (Davyd 'proXy' Madeley) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:40 2004 Subject: [tech] Apache on Mermaid Message-ID: <1045847139.1118.13.camel@pingu> Can we fix the proxy on mooneye so that when it makes requests it logs the correct IP? I assume that this is possible, I've seen websites that know my real IP, noting that I'm connecting through a proxy. It is something in the proxy headers, could we harvest it out? It'd be convienient for access.log and error.log on Mermaid, you could grep the tailings for your IP only. --Davyd -- http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/ PGP Fingerprint 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then on mermaid's httpd.conf, either make a new LogFormat for "realips" then a new logfile ("realips.log"?), or alter the common log format (probably not a good idea), where instead of %h for the IP address, use %{X-Forwarded-For}i. That's the theory at least. Will somebody do it or let me try it out? :) B. -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not. mooneye is running apache that ProxyPasses all standard web requests to mermaid. -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Treasurer http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From bernard at blackham.com.au Sun Feb 23 13:19:42 2003 From: bernard at blackham.com.au (Bernard Blackham) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:42 2004 Subject: [tech] Apache on Mermaid In-Reply-To: References: <20030223032823.GA19712@amidala> Message-ID: <20030223051942.GA21511@amidala> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 01:13:50PM +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: > It's not. mooneye is running apache that ProxyPasses all standard web > requests to mermaid. http://freshmeat.net/projects/mod_proxy_add_forward.c/?topic_id=250 "mod_proxy_add_forward.c is an Apache module that adds a 'X-Forwarded-For' header to outgoing proxy requests like Squid does." -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20030223/d3d4a56b/attachment.pgp From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Mon Feb 24 00:17:01 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland UCC) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:42 2004 Subject: [tech] Python 2.2 on Web Server In-Reply-To: <20030223133956.GA3540@rodney.underground.theBASS.net> References: <20030223133956.GA3540@rodney.underground.theBASS.net> Message-ID: <20030223161701.GA29367@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 09:39:56PM +0800, Rodney Lorrimar wrote: > Hi, > > While we're on the topic of the web server, can I have Python 2.2 > installed on the web server. > > That would totally make my day. :) Done. From nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Feb 26 14:33:57 2003 From: nick at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Nick Bannon) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:43 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] [root@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: Cron /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg.cfg] In-Reply-To: <20030226052432.GA84646@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030226051621.GU343996@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030226051621.GU343996@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030226052432.GA84646@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030226051621.GU343996@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030226051621.GU343996@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030226063357.GC80282@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 01:16:21PM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Any ideas? > > Adrian > > ----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon ----- > > From: root@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Cron Daemon) > To: root@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg.cfg > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:15:04 +0800 (WST) > > libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.2.5 > libpng warning: Application is running with png.c from libpng-1.0.12 > gd-png: fatal libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library > WARNING: rateup died from Signal 11 > with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'bertoli.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_1' > Signal was 11, Returncode was 0 > libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.2.5 > libpng warning: Application is running with png.c from libpng-1.0.12 > gd-png: fatal libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library > WARNING: rateup died from Signal 11 > with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'bertoli.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_2' > Signal was 11, Returncode was 0 [...] > libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.2.5 > libpng warning: Application is running with png.c from libpng-1.0.12 > gd-png: fatal libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library > WARNING: rateup died from Signal 11 > with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'bertoli.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au_16' > Signal was 11, Returncode was 0 > > ----- End forwarded message ----- On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 01:24:32PM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Wed, Feb 26, 2003, James Andrewartha wrote: > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > libpng2/3 breakage. I've disabled the cron entry. Someone else was using > > apt, so I couldn't upgrade it. > > Yeah. That was me. The upgrade requires .. well, lotsa packages to be > upgraded. I didn't wanna break anything. > > So, have a look at the dependicies. :-) > > Adrian We have to be a bit patient with Debian testing at the moment, it's gummed up because libc6 hasn't been sufficiently bug-free in months. The libpng2/3 transition was particularly ugly because of the complete lack of ABI compatibility, and of the many things it touched. (e.g. libgtk, hence all of GNOME) In this case, mtrg is directly using libpng3, while loading a library that uses libpng2, or similar. Ugh. So... speaking to everyone, try to keep mussel as clean as possible in the interim, and if downgrading a package, or compiling the One-Vital-Thing-I-Need-Now-Fresh-From-CVS into /usr/local, will simplify things - consider that. If you're upgrading, do a bit at a time, and don't worry - if it breaks, it can be fixed, if you tell someone. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick-sig@rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Feb 26 15:11:32 2003 From: grahame at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Grahame Bowland) Date: Wed Oct 27 01:26:43 2004 Subject: [tech] Re: [wheel] [root@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au: Cron /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg.cfg] In-Reply-To: <20030226063357.GC80282@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030226051621.GU343996@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030226052432.GA84646@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030226051621.GU343996@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030226051621.GU343996@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <20030226063357.GC80282@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030226071132.GA10496@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:33:57PM +0800, Nick Bannon wrote: > We have to be a bit patient with Debian testing at the moment, it's > gummed up because libc6 hasn't been sufficiently bug-free in months. > > The libpng2/3 transition was particularly ugly because of the complete > lack of ABI compatibility, and of the many things it touched. (e.g. > libgtk, hence all of GNOME) In this case, mtrg is directly using > libpng3, while loading a library that uses libpng2, or similar. Ugh. > > So... speaking to everyone, try to keep mussel as clean as possible in > the interim, and if downgrading a package, or compiling the > One-Vital-Thing-I-Need-Now-Fresh-From-CVS into /usr/local, will > simplify things - consider that. If you're upgrading, do a bit at a > time, and don't worry - if it breaks, it can be fixed, if you tell > someone. The best situation is to upgrade to sid, and then track testing until it catches up. I'm running sid on typhaon and a few other places, and you don't have to put up with the random libpng segfaults.