From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jul 2 00:03:19 2010 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 00:03:19 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] Clubroom home directories of the future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There were a few replies and some discussion on IRC, but I think it's time to actually do something about this. People felt that having Desktop folders shared across operating systems was, in general, bad for usability. However, having Documents folders shared is probably a good idea. My current plan is a hybrid of 2A and 2B, and works as follows: * Move the contents of $AWAY/profiles/My Documents to $AWAY/Documents and symlink the old name to the new one. This may produce some collisions so I will check this first. * Set up the network default user profile to have folder redirection for the Documents, (and Music, Videos, and Pictures) folders to the appropriate location in %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH% (i.e. $AWAY). * In $AWAY, create a new directory for Windows Vista/7 redirected folders (probably called windows). * Move $AWAY/profiles/Desktop to $AWAY/windows/Desktop and symlink the old name to the new one. * Create $AWAY/windows/AppData. * Set up the default user profile for folder redirection for Desktop to %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\windows\Desktop and similar for AppData. This results in $AWAY/profiles - Windows XP profile information $AWAY/windows - Windows Desktop (all versions) & Application Data $AWAY/profiles.v2 - Windows 7 roaming profile data $AWAY/Documents - 'My Documents' on Windows XP, 7, Linux, OS X which I hope isn't too hugely confusing and will provide a reasonable user experience. If there's no objections, I'll go ahead and make these changes next week. A useful reference, though Group Policy heavy (we are not using it), is http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489%28WS.10%29.aspx David Adam UCC Wheel Member zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, David Adam wrote: > I would like some consensus on how to deal with home directories for > clubroom machines, in particular those running Windows. > > Some background: the UCC hosts files on /away that provide networked home > directories for user logins on clubroom machines. For a user's $HOME path, > there is a corresponding /away/$HOME (herein referred to as $AWAY). Logins > on Linux and Mac OS clubroom machines mount the /away filesystem over NFS > as /home, and thus the users' home directory is $AWAY. Within this > directory are the various folders for things like Desktop, Documents and > Downloads. > > Windows XP machines, on the other hand, use roaming profiles. > Traditionally, these profiles have been stored in $AWAY/profiles. The > entire contents of this directory is synced to the clubroom machine at > logon, then copied back at logout. The Windows machines are also > configured to connect to $AWAY as drive H: for access to the files that > other operating systems use, etc. Because many users are unaware of the > mechanics of this process, many of our users dump several gigabytes of > data in their Windows desktop, which has to be copied back and forward > (slow) and takes up space on the disk due to roaming profile caching. > > This is a problem across most Windows XP sites and therefore Microsoft > have seen fit to alter the process in Windows Vista and Windows 7. These > operating systems connect to a different network share (profiles.V2 > instead of profiles) and impose tight regulations on the size of the > roaming profile. No settings or files are migrated across from the old > profile during first logon. To allow people to still store their gigabytes > of whatever on their desktop, administrators are strongly encouraged to > set up Folder Redirection, where any access to certain folders in the > local copy of the roaming profile is redirected to the network. > > Obviously we would like to get this working at UCC. There are some > decisions to make: > > 1. Deployment of Folder Redirection. > > The easiest way to set up Folder Redirection is to use Group Policy, the > Windows central management tool. We are not running Active Directory and > there are no plans in the near future to move to it, so we need to look > for alternatives. The old way of getting around this was to use NT Policy, > but that's not supported in newer versions of Windows. > > 1A: default profiles (like skeldir for Windows): nobody has a Vista/7 > style profile yet, and if we define a default user profile with > appropriate folder redirection settings, every user will get the right > settings on first login. The advantage of this is that it's reasonably > clean, works across all users, and doesn't require modification of client > machine policies. However, we only get one chance to get it right, and > there is no way to edit existing profiles without doing it all manually. > > 1B: logon scripts: we can define a logon script for all users to set the > Folder Redirection policy at each logon. This would also give us an > infrastructure to deploy other useful registry hacks as necessary. > Unfortunately, it requires us to set a local machine policy ("Run logon > scripts synchronously") to avoid unpredictable behaviour during logon (the > first time, anyway), although this could probably be deployed using our > standard operating environment tool, WPKG, which is already going to be > set up for Windows 7 to hack the registry so that domain logons work. > > 2. Choice of folders. > > All users currently have two desktop folders - one in $AWAY/Desktop and > one in $AWAY/profiles/Desktop. The same applies to Documents folders, etc. > etc. Where should we redirect these folders to? > > 2A: seamless Windows experience: all users will see the same files in > Windows XP and Windows 7, as the redirection policy will be set to > $AWAY/profiles/Desktop. As Windows XP will probably go away soon enough, > this my least preferred option. > > 2B: One True Desktop, except Windows XP: redirection policy will be to > $AWAY/Desktop, and logging in on Windows 7 will show the same files on the > desktop as Linux. > > 2C: One True Desktop: as above, except we copy everything currently in > $AWAY/profiles/Desktop to $AWAY/Desktop, and symlink the former to the > latter. Probably the best user experience (no "where did my data go", > maybe some "where did all this stuff come from"), but may require dealing > with naming collisions (unlikely). > > Also, 2B and 2C suffer from the problem [JCF] noted in > http://wiki.ucc.asn.au/WindowsProfiles#Caveats-1 From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Jul 7 17:05:01 2010 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:05:01 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] [Subnet-administrators] New University-wide Wireless Network - Impact of IP Address Changes In-Reply-To: <7E0C97968F4AC447B8D9B1F4D71B96F92F34D2E6@ITS-WIN-009.staffad.uwa.edu.au> References: <7E0C97968F4AC447B8D9B1F4D71B96F92F34D2E6@ITS-WIN-009.staffad.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Brian Greene wrote: > You may be aware that a new University-wide Wireless Network is > currently being developed by ITS. Users will logon to this new Wireless > Network using their Pheme credentials. > > You may also be aware of the acute shortage of IP V4 addresses > worldwide. Due to this shortage, a number of IP addresses currently > used by the SNAP Wireless Network will need to be re-allocated to the > new Wireless Network. > > This may have an impact on your Faculty, School or Business Unit if any > local systems have been set up to use reserved IP address ranges to > authorize deeper access to any networks from the SNAP wireless network. > In addition, please note that the new Wireless Network will not use > static IP Addresses for Users. > > To address this situation, we seek your input and assistance to inform > the ITS Project Team of any concerns you may have. > > Your attendance at a consultation session from 10:00 - 12:00pm on 22 > July 2010 at the Webb Lecture Theatre (G.21) Geology and Geography (To > be confirmed) to discuss how these changes may affect you and what steps > need to be taken to ensure a smooth transition off the SNAP Wireless > network will be much appreciated. > > If you cannot attend during this time, please nominate a delegate from > your area as it is crucial for ITS to understand the impact of these > changes on your area. [MRD] has volunteered to go along to this for us, so I thought I'd write some notes on how UCC uses SNAP for him and for those that are interested. UCC currently has the SNAP VLAN (11) routed to us as a tagged VLAN. This VLAN uses 10.11/16 and is not routed anywhere (mostly). Madako is configured to host PPTP and SSH on 10.11.0.13 so that anyone can associate to SNAP and connect to (and through) UCC without requiring a UWA VPN account. My understanding is that the new wireless/wired access system will now be authenticated using UWA credentials at layer 2, before an IP address is assigned. This will render the services on 10.11.0.13 useless and mean that all UCC members will require a UWA account to access the UCC using the (non-clubroom) wireless. Among other things, this will mean that CSSC's clubroom computer will no longer have Internet access, as they pay for an account for a VPN connection. I'm slightly intrigued by the idea that the private IP space is running out at UWA - we have a large slice of the 172.26 block, but that's not used by SNAP so I don't think it's under thread. Am I missing anything? David Adam UCC Wheel Member zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au From matt at ucc.asn.au Wed Jul 7 22:29:54 2010 From: matt at ucc.asn.au (Matt Johnston) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 22:29:54 +0800 Subject: [tech] [Subnet-administrators] New University-wide Wireless Network - Impact of IP Address Changes In-Reply-To: References: <7E0C97968F4AC447B8D9B1F4D71B96F92F34D2E6@ITS-WIN-009.staffad.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20100707142954.GK6819@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 05:05:01PM +0800, David Adam wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Brian Greene wrote: > > > > You may also be aware of the acute shortage of IP V4 addresses > > worldwide. Due to this shortage, a number of IP addresses currently > > used by the SNAP Wireless Network will need to be re-allocated to the > > new Wireless Network. > > > > This may have an impact on your Faculty, School or Business Unit if any > > local systems have been set up to use reserved IP address ranges to > > authorize deeper access to any networks from the SNAP wireless network. > > In addition, please note that the new Wireless Network will not use > > static IP Addresses for Users. > I'm slightly intrigued by the idea that the private IP space is running > out at UWA - we have a large slice of the 172.26 block, but that's not > used by SNAP so I don't think it's under thread. I don't think they mean the private (10.11/16 ?) space is running out, but rather they're not going to be allocating static student/staff IPs any more, and that might break things for people? It'd be nice if we can keep non-student access to UCC via the UWA wireless. 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Basically, if your PPTP client supports IPv6 (e.g. mpd5 on FreeBSD, Windows Vista or newer, pptpclient on Linux), the server will negotiate a link-local IPv6 address (fe80::$SOMEVAL) with your client. Then /etc/ppp/ipv6-up.d/global-ipv6 runs, which is below. In short, we run a new instance of RADVD for each link, and hand the client out an address based on the pppX interface number. This means you get a dynamic(ish) IP but which is globally routeable. You only get one; you cannot automatically route a subnet. This requires prefix delegation and DHCPv6, which is the next step, I guess. I'd be keen to hear from people who have this working on platforms that aren't mpd5 or Linux's pptpclient - in particular, I can't make it work on NetworkManager yet. Also, UCC's IPv6 uplink is currently down, so all you can do to make sure it works is ping6 mooneye.ipv6.ucc.asn.au. In the future, everything will work. David Adam UCC Wheel Member zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au ---8<--- # this is a giant hack and will potentially eat our address space # our allocation is a /59 but we need to give clients a /64 for the link # (because the PPP-RFC specifies that the generated or configured IPv6CP # Interface-ID is 64 bits long. This forces the link-local setting to be # /64. The only choice for auto-configuration of the global address is now # /64 - otherwise you have to not use one at all or use DHCPv6 (which sucks) # This is massively wasteful but "Best Practice". # so we take the interface number (the 1 in ppp1) IFACENUM=$(echo $PPP_IFACE | tr --delete --complement '[:digit:]') # and bitwise-or that with A0, so that addresses will be > A0 PPP_PREFIX=`printf '%x' $((0xA0 | $IFACENUM))` CLIENT_SUBNET='2001:388:7094:40'$PPP_PREFIX #configure locally ifconfig $IFNAME add $CLIENT_SUBNET::1/64 #generate radvd config RAP=/etc/ppp/ipv6-radvd/$IFNAME RA=$RAP.conf echo interface $IFNAME >$RA echo '{ AdvSendAdvert on; MinRtrAdvInterval 5; MaxRtrAdvInterval 100;' >>$RA echo ' prefix' $CLIENT_SUBNET::/64 '{};' >>$RA echo ' RDNSS 2001:388:7094:4080::9 {}; };' >>$RA #start radvd /usr/sbin/radvd -C $RA -p $RAP.pid exit 0 ---8<--- From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jul 15 21:15:22 2010 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:15:22 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] Secure wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, David Adam wrote: > Because 4am is the best time to be doing sysadmin stuff, I managed to get > the wireless AP providing a WPA2-Enterprise SSID authenticating using UCC > usernames and passwords. > > Connect to 'UCCsec' and you should get prompted for a username and > password, possibly a certificate prompt, and then dumped onto the normal > wireless VLAN. > > Most of the technical details of the RADIUS setup are in > http://wiki.ucc.asn.au/LDAP/LazySysadmin#FreeRADIUS - the AP configuration > is fairly simplistic too. > > WPA2-Enterprise uses PEAPv0/MS-CHAPv2, which is complex way of saying > 'there's an SSL-based tunnel wrapping the password exchange'. That tunnel > is currently set up to use the secure.ucc.asn.au certificates, although > switching back to the UCC CA self-signed certificates is straightforward. > > I'm curious how much effect the actual certficate has on the user > experience. The iPhone asks you to confirm the certificate regardless of > whether it is signed by a trusted CA or not, but I didn't have a chance to > test any other devices. If people with Mac OS and Windows laptops could > try it out and let me know how they go I would appreciate it - in > particular, whether there is a prompt to accept the certificate and if it > provides any useful information in working out whether to trust the > connection. The secure AP now works on Windows XP SP3 and newer. It does require some custom configuration - you need to basically follow http://www.its.uwa.edu.au/commonpagepool/eduroam/uwa_visitors and replace "eduroam" with UCCsec, with the exception that the "Validate server certificate" section must have "Connect to these servers" set to mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Accept the prompts and enter your UCC username and password, and voila! [MSH] also tested his N900 this evening, and it seems to work, so I think we're now ready to turn off the unsecured SSID (or firewall it closely) whenever we're ready. David Adam UCC Wheel Member zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au From mattman at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jul 15 21:23:40 2010 From: mattman at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Matt Didcoe) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:23:40 +0800 Subject: [tech] Secure wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've tested it with the iPhone and MacBook Pro - both seem happy enough to use UCCsec. Unless anyone has a major objection, let's go ahead and turn it off I say! Also - thanks to Zanchey for the effort his put in to getting not only this working, but the Windows 7/Samba stuff as well :D On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:15 PM, David Adam wrote: > On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, David Adam wrote: >> Because 4am is the best time to be doing sysadmin stuff, I managed to get >> the wireless AP providing a WPA2-Enterprise SSID authenticating using UCC >> usernames and passwords. >> >> Connect to 'UCCsec' and you should get prompted for a username and >> password, possibly a certificate prompt, and then dumped onto the normal >> wireless VLAN. >> >> Most of the technical details of the RADIUS setup are in >> http://wiki.ucc.asn.au/LDAP/LazySysadmin#FreeRADIUS - the AP configuration >> is fairly simplistic too. >> >> WPA2-Enterprise uses PEAPv0/MS-CHAPv2, which is complex way of saying >> 'there's an SSL-based tunnel wrapping the password exchange'. That tunnel >> is currently set up to use the secure.ucc.asn.au certificates, although >> switching back to the UCC CA self-signed certificates is straightforward. >> >> I'm curious how much effect the actual certficate has on the user >> experience. The iPhone asks you to confirm the certificate regardless of >> whether it is signed by a trusted CA or not, but I didn't have a chance to >> test any other devices. If people with Mac OS and Windows laptops could >> try it out and let me know how they go I would appreciate it - in >> particular, whether there is a prompt to accept the certificate and if it >> provides any useful information in working out whether to trust the >> connection. > > The secure AP now works on Windows XP SP3 and newer. It does require some > custom configuration - you need to basically follow > ?http://www.its.uwa.edu.au/commonpagepool/eduroam/uwa_visitors > and replace "eduroam" with UCCsec, with the exception that the "Validate > server certificate" section must have "Connect to these servers" set to > mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > Accept the prompts and enter your UCC username and password, and voila! > > [MSH] also tested his N900 this evening, and it seems to work, so I think > we're now ready to turn off the unsecured SSID (or firewall it closely) > whenever we're ready. > > David Adam > UCC Wheel Member > zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jul 15 22:44:33 2010 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:44:33 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] Secure wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Matt Didcoe wrote: > I've tested it with the iPhone and MacBook Pro - both seem happy > enough to use UCCsec. > > Unless anyone has a major objection, let's go ahead and turn it off I say! > > Also - thanks to Zanchey for the effort his put in to getting not only > this working, but the Windows 7/Samba stuff as well :D Shhh, that's not working yet. And thanks to my attempts to fix a printer, I now look like a smurf. [DAA] From Adrian at ScreamingRoot.org Fri Jul 16 10:44:54 2010 From: Adrian at ScreamingRoot.org (Adrian Woodley) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:44:54 +0800 Subject: [tech] IPv6 at increasing usage In-Reply-To: References: <4b86c8870909032044x5805999oe4118f06324639c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C3FC7A6.4070609@ScreamingRoot.org> On 15/07/10 20:59, David Adam wrote: > So, this works. Kind of. http://silmor.de/66 was my starting point. > > Basically, if your PPTP client supports IPv6 (e.g. mpd5 on FreeBSD, > Windows Vista or newer, pptpclient on Linux), the server will negotiate a > link-local IPv6 address (fe80::$SOMEVAL) with your client. > > Then /etc/ppp/ipv6-up.d/global-ipv6 runs, which is below. In short, we run > a new instance of RADVD for each link, and hand the client out an address > based on the pppX interface number. > > This means you get a dynamic(ish) IP but which is globally routeable. You > only get one; you cannot automatically route a subnet. This requires > prefix delegation and DHCPv6, which is the next step, I guess. > > I'd be keen to hear from people who have this working on platforms that > aren't mpd5 or Linux's pptpclient - in particular, I can't make it work on > NetworkManager yet. > > Also, UCC's IPv6 uplink is currently down, so all you can do to make sure > it works is ping6 mooneye.ipv6.ucc.asn.au. In the future, everything will > work. > > David Adam > UCC Wheel Member > zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > I've used OpenVPN to provide a globally routeable IPv6 address to my laptop, with a reasonable degree of success. Currently it calls a basic shell script at each end to allocate the v6 addresses and routes statically. This would obviously need to be re-thought for a more wide-scale deployment, to dynamically and intelligently allocate these addresses. Also I by-passed NetworkManager and used the native OpenVPN config. OpenVPN starts at boot and connects as soon as a default gateway is available. With a little bit of smarts, it should be trivial to drop something into if-up.d and get check for an existing IPv6 address and route before starting the VPN. I based my config on [1] and [2], with my own personal twist (laziness). Another alternative would be a miredo[3] server. Both the client and server are packaged for Ubuntu and support FreeBSD and OSX. (No doubt OpenBSD isn't so lucky and windows can go jump). [1] http://www.zagbot.com/openvpn_ipv6_tunnel.html [2] http://silmor.de/64 [3] http://www.remlab.net/miredo/ Cheers, Adrian Woodley From blinken at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 12:24:48 2010 From: blinken at gmail.com (Patrick Coleman) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:24:48 +0800 Subject: [tech] Secure wireless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM, David Adam wrote: > On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Patrick Coleman wrote: >> >> From my (limited) knowledge, the TLS tunnel is established back to the >> RADIUS server, so it's likely. Freeradius is pretty verbose in debug >> mode, perhaps it'll tell you? (PEAP/MS-CHAPv2 is MS-CHAPv2 inside EAP >> inside TLS inside EAP inside RADIUS, proving that when one standard >> isn't secure enough you should add another four layers). > > I think you mean PEAPv0/MS-CHAPv2 :-P > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/814394 suggests that "the Subject line of > the server certificate [must] match the name that is configured on the > client for the connection", which I assume means the SSID, and "the > Subject Alternative Name (SubjectAltName) extension [must] contain the > server's SQDN". I still haven't worked out how the client could possibly > verify the FQDN as the EAP-over-LAN (EAPOL) connection isn't IP-based. > > Anyway, I will poke it a bit when I have some time. Sorry, just saw this. Our CA here has the following: Issuer: C=AU, ST=Western Australia, L=Claremont, O=Christ Church Grammar School/emailAddress=linuxadmin at ccgs.wa.edu.au, CN=CCGS Certificate Authority Validity Not Before: Sep 15 07:57:21 2009 GMT Not After : Sep 13 07:57:21 2019 GMT Subject: C=AU, ST=Western Australia, L=Claremont, O=Christ Church Grammar School/emailAddress=linuxadmin at ccgs.wa.edu.au, CN=CCGS Certificate Authority and our server certificate has the following: Issuer: C=AU, ST=Western Australia, L=Claremont, O=Christ Church Grammar School/emailAddress=linuxadmin at ccgs.wa.edu.au, CN=CCGS Certificate Authority Validity Not Before: Sep 15 07:57:55 2009 GMT Not After : Sep 13 07:57:55 2019 GMT Subject: C=AU, ST=Western Australia, O=Christ Church Grammar School, CN=CCGS RADIUS Server Certificate/emailAddress=linuxadmin at ccgs.wa.edu.au this "just works" with freeradius bound to our domain; here's our XP config procedure: Click Properties on the Authentication tab, and complete the dialog: Tick 'Validate server certificate' Detick 'Connect to these servers:' Under 'Trusted Root Certification Authorities', scroll down to 'CCGS Certificate Authority' and tick the box next to it. Tick 'Do not prompt user to authorize new servers or trusted certification authorities' Under 'Select Authentication Method:' select 'Secured password (EAP-MSCHAP v2)'. Click Configure... and tick 'Automatically use my Windows logon name and password (and domain if any)' Tick 'Enable Fast Reconnect' Detick 'Enable Quarantine checks' Detick 'Disconnect if server does not present cryptobinding TLV', because I have NFI what this means. In any case, sounds like you got it working. Congrats :) >> Whoever does this, make sure you're running SP3 or I promise you will >> actually go insane. > > Useful advice, but any more details? SP3 made a lot of changes to 802.1x, and despite spending quite a lot of time on it I was unable to make anything older than this work. Cheers, Patrick -- http://www.labyrinthdata.net.au - WA Backup, Web and VPS Hosting From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sun Jul 18 16:50:41 2010 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:50:41 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] New Multimeter Message-ID: Hi All, I think it's about time we started to replace things that would be replaced regardless of the insurance payout. Two of these things are the multimeter and the printer. For the multimeter I would like to get this one: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=QM1536 which is very similar to what we had. The old one got hit on the screen with a hail stone :-( for those of you who don't know. Comments and/or alternatives? As for the printer, Phosphorous was an HP 1320N, can anyone suggest a replacement, possibly a colour one? Bob Adamson UCC Treasurer |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous | |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" | | ---Peter's Laws | From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Jul 20 20:48:36 2010 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:48:36 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] SAN Message-ID: Hi All, If you haven't been in the clubroom over the last few months, you won't have noticed the assortment of SAN parts that are dominating the place. I think it's time we did something with them. We have: 2 shelves of 300GB disks 2 shelves of 146GB disks (one of which is the SAN controller) 1 shelf of 73GB disks 2 EMC DS-4700M fibre channel switches 1 UPS which is on the way out I think we could/should use the extra storage for better webcam footage storage, but the disks are pretty heat intensive. My proposal is that we use 1 switch, the controller and the 2 300GB shelves to make a miniature SAN. This could also potentially replace the two shelves that are currently attached to musundo. Problem: When I plugged in the controller shelf today, one of the redundant power supplies blew up, we can get another for ~$200. We can afford to get this, but do we want the extra space enough to bother? If not, shall we just throw all this stuff out? Suggestions, comments? Bob Adamson UCC Treasurer |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous | |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" | | ---Peter's Laws | From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jul 23 20:26:53 2010 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:26:53 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] Half-height rack up for grabs Message-ID: Hi again, There has been an old half-height rack sitting in the UCC corridor for some time now. UCC hasn't got the room for it and it's not particularly useful for servers on rails. If anyone wants it - speak up, otherwise it will be thrown out in the near future. Bob Adamson UCC Treasurer |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous | |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" | | ---Peter's Laws | From frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Jul 24 19:04:14 2010 From: frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James French) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:04:14 +0800 Subject: [tech] Wireless update after the cleanup Message-ID: Hi All, Poked UCC's wireless setup a bit today, summary for those who don't like long posts: 1. UCCsec renamed 'UCC' 2. UniversityComputerClub renamed 'UCC-Public' 3. We no longer rebroadcast SNAP If you have no interest in the technical bits, you can tl;dr now. The long term plan for the 'public' wireless is to provide access to a limited selection of ports useful to the average passer-by's needs (web, imaps, pop3s, smtps) at full speed for freenets and a shared shaped pool of bandwidth for non-freenets services. It's likely that we'll allocate between 256kbit and 512kbit, ie something comfortable for light webbrowsing for a few people while not opening us up to a huge liability if people start to leech. We can also drop the speed way down if very high usage becomes an issue. There was some debate in the clubroom as to whether or not we should run a captive portal on the UCC-Public SSID. Comments from the wider club would be appreciated. The main argument for is that it gives us a chance to show off T&C and give members configuration instructions for 'UCC'. Against we've got interrupted browser sessions and a general dislike of captive portals. No work's been done there yet so it's still a good time to talk about it. At present however, the UCC-Public SSID is a walled garden, traffic can only reach UWA hosted services. Attempting to webbrowse outside of that pops up a webpage letting people know that that's all they can see and that we're working towards opening it up a bit better in the not too distant future. That page can be seen externally at http://www.ucc.asn.au/ucc-public-wireless/. We should probably add setup instructions for the members-only SSID there. To facilitate the shuffle, I also made a few other changes about the place. Notably I retired the dedicated netboot vlan and put the ubuntu port on vlan 3. Now that the clubroom network does exactly the same thing wrt netbooting it seemed a bit redundant to duplicate it all on a rather awkward subnet choice (my bad, c.2006). I've repurposed vlan 8 as the UCC-Public network and given it 172.26.42.0/26 which is probably address overkill but eh. Lastly, we no longer rebroadcast SNAP as a certain fruit company's mobile devices don't have a wifi network preference and tend to pick that up instead of anything which could possibly be useful. SNAP (and I imagine its successor) is now available for Tav patrons courtesy of a new AP which has turned up in Indigenous Studies. As the SNAP replacement would seem to be just around the corner, us rebroadcasting SNAP is useful in the very short term only. F. Ps. To wheel members: steer clear of the OpenWRT web config, it doesn't know about radius and will quite happy eat the config and waste half an hour of your life. From trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Sat Jul 24 23:00:19 2010 From: trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James Andrewartha) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:00:19 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] SOGo webmail and calendar server Message-ID: I've installed SOGo [1] 1.3.0 onto mussel, using upstream's apt repository. It's a webmail/calendar/address book client themed like Thunderbird and CalDAV server, written in Objective C using SOPE, the bastard child of WebObjects and Zope. Installation was fairly simple, using the install guide [2]. It's using the sogo account which has the same uid/gid as calendar, so the config file is in /home/other/calendar/GNUstep/Defaults/.GNUstepDefaults. [1] http://www.sogo.nu/english.html [2] http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Installation%20Guide.pdf -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 / From tpg at ucc.asn.au Sun Jul 25 11:40:58 2010 From: tpg at ucc.asn.au (John Hodge) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:40:58 +0800 Subject: [tech] Half-height rack up for grabs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C4BB24A.7030407@ucc.asn.au> If no one else wants it or has a better use for it, I'll take it. I feel like making a small server rack. :) On 23/07/10 20:26, Bob Adamson wrote: > Hi again, > > There has been an old half-height rack sitting in the UCC corridor for > some time now. UCC hasn't got the room for it and it's not particularly > useful for servers on rails. If anyone wants it - speak up, otherwise it > will be thrown out in the near future. > > Bob Adamson > UCC Treasurer > > |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous | > |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" | > | ---Peter's Laws | From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Jul 28 16:57:42 2010 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:57:42 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] Clubroom machine upgrades Message-ID: Hi All, Tomorrow I would like to move at the committee meeting that UCC buys a couple of pieces of new hardware. First of all, is a graphics card upgrade for characid. Characid is a C2D with plenty of RAM, but its graphics card could be better - currently a GeForce 7600 GT. I propose that we purchase a new graphics card in the under $300 range. In the future, this card can either stay in characid, or go in a new machine when we eventually get our insurance payout. Second is a box to replace cephalopod. Cephalopod is a crappy P4 2.6, doesn't have SATA support, it's case is evil, graphics card is a GeForce 6800. The best thing going for it is that it is small and will be easy to throw out. We won't need a screen and peripherals for the new machine either. Note: the money that got approved for new boxes earlier in the year never got spent, blame the hail. I want to get an i5, a motherboard with USB3 support, 4GB DDR3, PSU to suit, the cheapest case that isn't shit, and probably the same graphics card as whatever we get for characid. Basically the best we can get for under $1000. No, I haven't sat down and worked out exact specs yet, but I'm not going to bother unless people actually want this. tl;dr - I want to spend $1300 on new hardware, nod and smile. Bob Adamson UCC Treasurer |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous | |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" | | ---Peter's Laws | From mitch at ucc.asn.au Wed Jul 28 17:29:49 2010 From: mitch at ucc.asn.au (Mitch Kelly) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:29:49 +0800 Subject: [tech] Clubroom machine upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <023801cb2e37$6d160630$47421290$@asn.au> I would like to know the specs of what you plan for a Sub $1k PC. -----Original Message----- From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Bob Adamson Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2010 4:58 PM To: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Subject: [tech] Clubroom machine upgrades Hi All, Tomorrow I would like to move at the committee meeting that UCC buys a couple of pieces of new hardware. First of all, is a graphics card upgrade for characid. Characid is a C2D with plenty of RAM, but its graphics card could be better - currently a GeForce 7600 GT. I propose that we purchase a new graphics card in the under $300 range. In the future, this card can either stay in characid, or go in a new machine when we eventually get our insurance payout. Second is a box to replace cephalopod. Cephalopod is a crappy P4 2.6, doesn't have SATA support, it's case is evil, graphics card is a GeForce 6800. The best thing going for it is that it is small and will be easy to throw out. We won't need a screen and peripherals for the new machine either. Note: the money that got approved for new boxes earlier in the year never got spent, blame the hail. I want to get an i5, a motherboard with USB3 support, 4GB DDR3, PSU to suit, the cheapest case that isn't shit, and probably the same graphics card as whatever we get for characid. Basically the best we can get for under $1000. No, I haven't sat down and worked out exact specs yet, but I'm not going to bother unless people actually want this. tl;dr - I want to spend $1300 on new hardware, nod and smile. Bob Adamson UCC Treasurer |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous | |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" | | ---Peter's Laws | No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/28/10 02:34:00 From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Jul 28 17:34:41 2010 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:34:41 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] Clubroom machine upgrades In-Reply-To: <023801cb2e37$6d160630$47421290$@asn.au> References: <023801cb2e37$6d160630$47421290$@asn.au> Message-ID: If you're implying that we should spend more, I agree, and we can afford to perhaps go to $1400 for the box. On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Mitch Kelly wrote: > I would like to know the specs of what you plan for a Sub $1k PC. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] > On Behalf Of Bob Adamson > Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2010 4:58 PM > To: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: [tech] Clubroom machine upgrades > > Hi All, > > Tomorrow I would like to move at the committee meeting that UCC buys a > couple of pieces of new hardware. First of all, is a graphics card upgrade > for characid. Characid is a C2D with plenty of RAM, but its graphics card > could be better - currently a GeForce 7600 GT. I propose that we purchase > a new graphics card in the under $300 range. In the future, this card can > either stay in characid, or go in a new machine when we eventually get our > insurance payout. > > Second is a box to replace cephalopod. Cephalopod is a crappy P4 2.6, > doesn't have SATA support, it's case is evil, graphics card is a GeForce > 6800. The best thing going for it is that it is small and will be easy to > throw out. We won't need a screen and peripherals for the new machine > either. Note: the money that got approved for new boxes earlier in the > year never got spent, blame the hail. I want to get an i5, a motherboard > with USB3 support, 4GB DDR3, PSU to suit, the cheapest case that isn't > shit, and probably the same graphics card as whatever we get for characid. > Basically the best we can get for under $1000. > > No, I haven't sat down and worked out exact specs yet, but I'm not going > to bother unless people actually want this. > > tl;dr - I want to spend $1300 on new hardware, nod and smile. > > Bob Adamson > UCC Treasurer > > |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous | > |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" | > | ---Peter's Laws | > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/28/10 > 02:34:00 > From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Jul 28 22:33:15 2010 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:33:15 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card Message-ID: Hi Again, Chris Squire [CJS] and myself have come up with the following box, seeing as nobody seems against the idea: Motherboard: http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MB2/MBGIGA890GPA-UD3/Mainboards/Gigabyte-GA-890GPA-UD3H-AM3-DDR3-16XPCI-E-ATX-RAID-890GX-USB3-ATX Processor: http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CP1/CPAMM2-7-1055T/CPU/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T-2.8Ghz-Six-HexaCore-AM3-9Mb-125W-CPU-TurboCore-HDT55TFBGRBOX Memory: two of http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MY3/MYD313-2048K/Memory/2Gb-DDR3-1333-Kingston-Memory-2048Mb-Single-KVR1333D3N9/2G Graphics: http://www.netplus.com.au/product/VD5/VDGIGTX460-E1/Graphics-Card/Gigabyte-GTX460-1Gb-DDR5-256bit-PCI-E-GeForce-GF-Nvidia-GV-N460OC-1GI DVD: http://www.netplus.com.au/product/OP9/OPLI20A1S-RET/Optical-Disk-Drives/LiteOn-IHAS324-Black-24X-DVDRW-SATA-DVD-Writer-Kit-Lite-On-Retail-Black-Nero-8-SATA-Cable PSU and Case: http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CA10/CACOCEN53-35-BLK/Case/CoolerMaster-Centurion-5-II-500W-Power-Supply-ATX-e-Sata-Front-IO-Case-All-New-Model! Total cost (no postage costs!): $1024 Then add an extra GTX460 for characid: $1323 *no need for a HDD, we have a spare TB sitting in the MR Bob Adamson UCC Treasurer |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous | |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" | | ---Peter's Laws | From maset at ucc.asn.au Wed Jul 28 23:05:44 2010 From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:05:44 +0800 Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can someone please explain why this machine needs six cores? Cheers, Anil On 28 July 2010 22:33, Bob Adamson wrote: > Hi Again, > > Chris Squire [CJS] and myself have come up with the following box, seeing as > nobody seems against the idea: > > Motherboard: > http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MB2/MBGIGA890GPA-UD3/Mainboards/Gigabyte-GA-890GPA-UD3H-AM3-DDR3-16XPCI-E-ATX-RAID-890GX-USB3-ATX > > Processor: > http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CP1/CPAMM2-7-1055T/CPU/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T-2.8Ghz-Six-HexaCore-AM3-9Mb-125W-CPU-TurboCore-HDT55TFBGRBOX > > Memory: two of > http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MY3/MYD313-2048K/Memory/2Gb-DDR3-1333-Kingston-Memory-2048Mb-Single-KVR1333D3N9/2G > > Graphics: > http://www.netplus.com.au/product/VD5/VDGIGTX460-E1/Graphics-Card/Gigabyte-GTX460-1Gb-DDR5-256bit-PCI-E-GeForce-GF-Nvidia-GV-N460OC-1GI > > DVD: > http://www.netplus.com.au/product/OP9/OPLI20A1S-RET/Optical-Disk-Drives/LiteOn-IHAS324-Black-24X-DVDRW-SATA-DVD-Writer-Kit-Lite-On-Retail-Black-Nero-8-SATA-Cable > > PSU and Case: > http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CA10/CACOCEN53-35-BLK/Case/CoolerMaster-Centurion-5-II-500W-Power-Supply-ATX-e-Sata-Front-IO-Case-All-New-Model! > > Total cost (no postage costs!): $1024 > Then add an extra GTX460 for characid: $1323 > > *no need for a HDD, we have a spare TB sitting in the MR > > Bob Adamson > UCC Treasurer > > |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous ? ? ? ?| > |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" | > | ---Peter's Laws ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| > From maset at ucc.asn.au Thu Jul 29 00:10:49 2010 From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:10:49 +0800 Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop machines. On 28 July 2010 23:33, Chris Squire wrote: > In the same way as quad cores were unnecessary for a couple of years (or > even dualcores, in odd cases like Crysis) for games, a hexacore is just > beyond the realm of necessity but isn't wasteful. Just like the duos before > them, quads are soon to be relegated to "that one in my grandparents' PC". > > Just as Intel's offerings do, these AMDs can boost clockspeed in cases of > utilisation being constrained to a subset of available cores, meaning you > don't lose some of the performance potential like the duo-versus-quad days > where money translated into a choice of clockspeed or hardware threads. > > We have options in buying new equipment now which are new and exciting. They > *are* options, so perhaps it might end up being a quad.. but the pricing is > a may-as-well and future-proof sort of affair. > > [CJS] > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: > >> Can someone please explain why this machine needs six cores? >> >> Cheers, >> Anil >> >> On 28 July 2010 22:33, Bob Adamson wrote: >>> >>> Hi Again, >>> >>> Chris Squire [CJS] and myself have come up with the following box, seeing >>> as >>> nobody seems against the idea: >>> >>> Motherboard: >>> >>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MB2/MBGIGA890GPA-UD3/Mainboards/Gigabyte-GA-890GPA-UD3H-AM3-DDR3-16XPCI-E-ATX-RAID-890GX-USB3-ATX >>> >>> Processor: >>> >>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CP1/CPAMM2-7-1055T/CPU/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T-2.8Ghz-Six-HexaCore-AM3-9Mb-125W-CPU-TurboCore-HDT55TFBGRBOX >>> >>> Memory: two of >>> >>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MY3/MYD313-2048K/Memory/2Gb-DDR3-1333-Kingston-Memory-2048Mb-Single-KVR1333D3N9/2G >>> >>> Graphics: >>> >>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/VD5/VDGIGTX460-E1/Graphics-Card/Gigabyte-GTX460-1Gb-DDR5-256bit-PCI-E-GeForce-GF-Nvidia-GV-N460OC-1GI >>> >>> DVD: >>> >>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/OP9/OPLI20A1S-RET/Optical-Disk-Drives/LiteOn-IHAS324-Black-24X-DVDRW-SATA-DVD-Writer-Kit-Lite-On-Retail-Black-Nero-8-SATA-Cable >>> >>> PSU and Case: >>> >>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CA10/CACOCEN53-35-BLK/Case/CoolerMaster-Centurion-5-II-500W-Power-Supply-ATX-e-Sata-Front-IO-Case-All-New-Model! >>> >>> Total cost (no postage costs!): $1024 >>> Then add an extra GTX460 for characid: $1323 >>> >>> *no need for a HDD, we have a spare TB sitting in the MR >>> >>> Bob Adamson >>> UCC Treasurer >>> >>> |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous >>> ?| >>> |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" >>> | >>> | ---Peter's Laws >>> ?| >>> > From frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jul 29 00:31:22 2010 From: frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James French) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:31:22 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 29 July 2010 00:10, Anil Sharma wrote: > I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop machines For the price difference, you may as well buy the better CPU so I don't really have any qualms there. That said, I would like to see at least some of the money from this come from member donations and more specifically, the people who are going to use this machine the most (ie gamers who want the grunt). In the past when we've bought machines brand new we've sought to get up to half the purchase price as member donations. Examples off the top of my head are Manbo's memory (Club paid some, Linux Australia some and members some), Martello and the last iMac. Basically, anything that reduces the cost to the club's relatively small finances is a good thing. I know this was planned regardless, but we don't have the insurance money yet so lets not count on it being there until it's sitting in our bank account. My 2c F. (Starting to sound more and more old guard by the day) From mitch at ucc.asn.au Thu Jul 29 06:43:08 2010 From: mitch at ucc.asn.au (Mitch Kelly) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:43:08 +0800 Subject: [tech] [committee] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <025d01cb2ea6$40759e50$c160daf0$@asn.au> I agree, For The price difference you might aswell get the 6 Core CPU. Even tho we probably won't use the 6 cores I see no issues in getting one... or two... -----Original Message----- From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of James French Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 12:31 AM To: Anil Sharma Cc: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Subject: Re: [tech] [committee] New clubroom machine and graphics card On 29 July 2010 00:10, Anil Sharma wrote: > I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop machines For the price difference, you may as well buy the better CPU so I don't really have any qualms there. That said, I would like to see at least some of the money from this come from member donations and more specifically, the people who are going to use this machine the most (ie gamers who want the grunt). In the past when we've bought machines brand new we've sought to get up to half the purchase price as member donations. Examples off the top of my head are Manbo's memory (Club paid some, Linux Australia some and members some), Martello and the last iMac. Basically, anything that reduces the cost to the club's relatively small finances is a good thing. I know this was planned regardless, but we don't have the insurance money yet so lets not count on it being there until it's sitting in our bank account. My 2c F. (Starting to sound more and more old guard by the day) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/28/10 02:34:00 From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jul 29 07:18:52 2010 From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:18:52 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know how you can say this, seeing as you never use the clubroom machines. On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: > I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop machines. > > On 28 July 2010 23:33, Chris Squire wrote: >> In the same way as quad cores were unnecessary for a couple of years (or >> even dualcores, in odd cases like Crysis) for games, a hexacore is just >> beyond the realm of necessity but isn't wasteful. Just like the duos before >> them, quads are soon to be relegated to "that one in my grandparents' PC". >> >> Just as Intel's offerings do, these AMDs can boost clockspeed in cases of >> utilisation being constrained to a subset of available cores, meaning you >> don't lose some of the performance potential like the duo-versus-quad days >> where money translated into a choice of clockspeed or hardware threads. >> >> We have options in buying new equipment now which are new and exciting. They >> *are* options, so perhaps it might end up being a quad.. but the pricing is >> a may-as-well and future-proof sort of affair. >> >> [CJS] >> >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: >> >>> Can someone please explain why this machine needs six cores? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Anil >>> >>> On 28 July 2010 22:33, Bob Adamson wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Again, >>>> >>>> Chris Squire [CJS] and myself have come up with the following box, seeing >>>> as >>>> nobody seems against the idea: >>>> >>>> Motherboard: >>>> >>>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MB2/MBGIGA890GPA-UD3/Mainboards/Gigabyte-GA-890GPA-UD3H-AM3-DDR3-16XPCI-E-ATX-RAID-890GX-USB3-ATX >>>> >>>> Processor: >>>> >>>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CP1/CPAMM2-7-1055T/CPU/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T-2.8Ghz-Six-HexaCore-AM3-9Mb-125W-CPU-TurboCore-HDT55TFBGRBOX >>>> >>>> Memory: two of >>>> >>>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MY3/MYD313-2048K/Memory/2Gb-DDR3-1333-Kingston-Memory-2048Mb-Single-KVR1333D3N9/2G >>>> >>>> Graphics: >>>> >>>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/VD5/VDGIGTX460-E1/Graphics-Card/Gigabyte-GTX460-1Gb-DDR5-256bit-PCI-E-GeForce-GF-Nvidia-GV-N460OC-1GI >>>> >>>> DVD: >>>> >>>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/OP9/OPLI20A1S-RET/Optical-Disk-Drives/LiteOn-IHAS324-Black-24X-DVDRW-SATA-DVD-Writer-Kit-Lite-On-Retail-Black-Nero-8-SATA-Cable >>>> >>>> PSU and Case: >>>> >>>> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CA10/CACOCEN53-35-BLK/Case/CoolerMaster-Centurion-5-II-500W-Power-Supply-ATX-e-Sata-Front-IO-Case-All-New-Model! >>>> >>>> Total cost (no postage costs!): $1024 >>>> Then add an extra GTX460 for characid: $1323 >>>> >>>> *no need for a HDD, we have a spare TB sitting in the MR >>>> >>>> Bob Adamson >>>> UCC Treasurer >>>> >>>> |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous >>>> ?| >>>> |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when necessary" >>>> | >>>> | ---Peter's Laws >>>> ?| >>>> >> > From mitch at ucc.asn.au Thu Jul 29 08:10:48 2010 From: mitch at ucc.asn.au (Mitch Kelly) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:10:48 +0800 Subject: [tech] Donation To UCC Message-ID: <026f01cb2eb2$8209d550$861d7ff0$@asn.au> Hi, TRS has expressed interest in the Sunblade 2000 Desktop I have. It will replace one of the desktops in UCC. Specs are: Dual UltraSparc III 1.2Ghz Dual XVR-1200 320Mb Graphics cards (Very Powerful) 8GB Ram DVD Drive 2x Fiber Channel 72GB Drives It will be in UCC tonight if you want to play. Mitch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20100729/26a55223/attachment.htm From rvvs89 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jul 29 11:26:20 2010 From: rvvs89 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Rufus Garton Smith) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:26:20 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I for one intend to execute make -j at some point. Rufus On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: > I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop machines. > From mitch at ucc.asn.au Thu Jul 29 11:30:47 2010 From: mitch at ucc.asn.au (Mitch Kelly) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:30:47 +0800 Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <029201cb2ece$7020ce90$50626bb0$@asn.au> Price Diff: (2.8Ghz equiv) Hexacore: Price $239.00 Core i5 (Quad): $259.00 Anil, Are you proposing we spend more on getting Less cores? -----Original Message----- From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Rufus Garton Smith Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:26 AM To: Anil Sharma Cc: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card I for one intend to execute make -j at some point. Rufus On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: > I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop machines. > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/29/10 01:38:00 From maset at ucc.asn.au Thu Jul 29 15:13:22 2010 From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:13:22 +0800 Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: <029201cb2ece$7020ce90$50626bb0$@asn.au> References: <029201cb2ece$7020ce90$50626bb0$@asn.au> Message-ID: I propose getting a number of cores that will actually be used. make -j kinda counts, except this is going to be a desktop machine, not a server. As I've said many times before, it's your club, do what you want. However, I see zero point in going down the surplus cores, lower performance route. Cheers, Anil On 29 July 2010 11:30, Mitch Kelly wrote: > Price Diff: (2.8Ghz equiv) > Hexacore: Price $239.00 > Core i5 (Quad): $259.00 > > Anil, Are you proposing we spend more on getting Less cores? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] > On Behalf Of Rufus Garton Smith > Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:26 AM > To: Anil Sharma > Cc: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card > > I for one intend to execute make -j at some point. > > Rufus > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop > machines. >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/29/10 > 01:38:00 > From mitch at ucc.asn.au Thu Jul 29 16:33:01 2010 From: mitch at ucc.asn.au (Mitch Kelly) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:33:01 +0800 Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: References: <029201cb2ece$7020ce90$50626bb0$@asn.au> Message-ID: <001e01cb2ef8$ad6efbd0$084cf370$@asn.au> My point is, An equiv box with LESS cores is more expensive. "Nobody will ever need more than 640k of memory" Are you suggesting we buy Single core p4's for use in the club. This argument is stupid and invalid, If there's something out there for a good price I say we get it, Regardless of how many "cores" it has -----Original Message----- From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Anil Sharma Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 3:13 PM To: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card I propose getting a number of cores that will actually be used. make -j kinda counts, except this is going to be a desktop machine, not a server. As I've said many times before, it's your club, do what you want. However, I see zero point in going down the surplus cores, lower performance route. Cheers, Anil On 29 July 2010 11:30, Mitch Kelly wrote: > Price Diff: (2.8Ghz equiv) > Hexacore: Price $239.00 > Core i5 (Quad): $259.00 > > Anil, Are you proposing we spend more on getting Less cores? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] > On Behalf Of Rufus Garton Smith > Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:26 AM > To: Anil Sharma > Cc: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card > > I for one intend to execute make -j at some point. > > Rufus > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop > machines. >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/29/10 > 01:38:00 > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3035 - Release Date: 07/29/10 01:38:00 From scott at sjy.id.au Thu Jul 29 18:10:45 2010 From: scott at sjy.id.au (Scott Young) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:10:45 +0800 Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: <001e01cb2ef8$ad6efbd0$084cf370$@asn.au> References: <029201cb2ece$7020ce90$50626bb0$@asn.au> <001e01cb2ef8$ad6efbd0$084cf370$@asn.au> Message-ID: <-3555960529186201291@unknownmsgid> I think Anil was suggesting that the Phenom has lower performance (per core) than the i5, despite having 'only' 4 cores. 6 cores will rarely be useful and the i5 may be superior in other respects (I don't know). [SJY] On 29/07/2010, at 4:33 PM, Mitch Kelly wrote: > My point is, An equiv box with LESS cores is more expensive. > > "Nobody will ever need more than 640k of memory" > > Are you suggesting we buy Single core p4's for use in the club. > > This argument is stupid and invalid, If there's something out there for a good price I say we get it, Regardless of how many "cores" it has > > -----Original Message----- > From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Anil Sharma > Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 3:13 PM > To: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card > > I propose getting a number of cores that will actually be used. > > make -j kinda counts, except this is going to be a desktop machine, > not a server. > > As I've said many times before, it's your club, do what you want. > However, I see zero point in going down the surplus cores, lower > performance route. > > Cheers, > Anil > > On 29 July 2010 11:30, Mitch Kelly wrote: >> Price Diff: (2.8Ghz equiv) >> Hexacore: Price $239.00 >> Core i5 (Quad): $259.00 >> >> Anil, Are you proposing we spend more on getting Less cores? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] >> On Behalf Of Rufus Garton Smith >> Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:26 AM >> To: Anil Sharma >> Cc: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card >> >> I for one intend to execute make -j at some point. >> >> Rufus >> >> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: >> >>> I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop >> machines. >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/29/10 >> 01:38:00 >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3035 - Release Date: 07/29/10 01:38:00 > From harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Jul 29 19:00:32 2010 From: harrymc at decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:00:32 +0800 Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: <-3555960529186201291@unknownmsgid> References: <029201cb2ece$7020ce90$50626bb0$@asn.au> <001e01cb2ef8$ad6efbd0$084cf370$@asn.au> <-3555960529186201291@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4C515F50.3090404@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Hi Scott Scott Young wrote: > I think Anil was suggesting that the Phenom has lower performance (per > core) than the i5, despite having 'only' 4 cores. 6 cores will rarely > be useful and the i5 may be superior in other respects (I don't know). Yes, that's how I interpreted Anil's argument. If the six cores run at 2.0GHz (or whatever) and the four cores run at 2.8GHz then running a single core is higher performance on the four core CPU. Isn't that the trend, more cores running at a lower clock ? I'm unsure but if you can't make it run multi-core for anything useful it may be false economy even getting the cheaper six core CPU. But I may be totally confused. Can someone explain in what situations all six cores can be run ? I thought that many things don't take advantage of them. But if OS and/or apps can light them all up, it's a different ballgame. All the best Harry > [SJY] > > On 29/07/2010, at 4:33 PM, Mitch Kelly wrote: > >> My point is, An equiv box with LESS cores is more expensive. >> >> "Nobody will ever need more than 640k of memory" >> >> Are you suggesting we buy Single core p4's for use in the club. >> >> This argument is stupid and invalid, If there's something out there for a good price I say we get it, Regardless of how many "cores" it has >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Anil Sharma >> Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 3:13 PM >> To: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card >> >> I propose getting a number of cores that will actually be used. >> >> make -j kinda counts, except this is going to be a desktop machine, >> not a server. >> >> As I've said many times before, it's your club, do what you want. >> However, I see zero point in going down the surplus cores, lower >> performance route. >> >> Cheers, >> Anil >> >> On 29 July 2010 11:30, Mitch Kelly wrote: >>> Price Diff: (2.8Ghz equiv) >>> Hexacore: Price $239.00 >>> Core i5 (Quad): $259.00 >>> >>> Anil, Are you proposing we spend more on getting Less cores? >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] >>> On Behalf Of Rufus Garton Smith >>> Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:26 AM >>> To: Anil Sharma >>> Cc: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >>> Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card >>> >>> I for one intend to execute make -j at some point. >>> >>> Rufus >>> >>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: >>> >>>> I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop >>> machines. >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/29/10 >>> 01:38:00 >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3035 - Release Date: 07/29/10 01:38:00 >> > From harrymc at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jul 29 19:01:21 2010 From: harrymc at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Harry) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:01:21 +0800 Subject: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card In-Reply-To: <-3555960529186201291@unknownmsgid> References: <029201cb2ece$7020ce90$50626bb0$@asn.au> <001e01cb2ef8$ad6efbd0$084cf370$@asn.au> <-3555960529186201291@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4C515F81.2040908@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Hi Scott Scott Young wrote: > I think Anil was suggesting that the Phenom has lower performance (per > core) than the i5, despite having 'only' 4 cores. 6 cores will rarely > be useful and the i5 may be superior in other respects (I don't know). Yes, that's how I interpreted Anil's argument. If the six cores run at 2.0GHz (or whatever) and the four cores run at 2.8GHz then running a single core is higher performance on the four core CPU. Isn't that the trend, more cores running at a lower clock ? I'm unsure but if you can't make it run multi-core for anything useful it may be false economy even getting the cheaper six core CPU. But I may be totally confused. Can someone explain in what situations all six cores can be run ? I thought that many things don't take advantage of them. But if OS and/or apps can light them all up, it's a different ballgame. All the best Harry > [SJY] > > On 29/07/2010, at 4:33 PM, Mitch Kelly wrote: > >> My point is, An equiv box with LESS cores is more expensive. >> >> "Nobody will ever need more than 640k of memory" >> >> Are you suggesting we buy Single core p4's for use in the club. >> >> This argument is stupid and invalid, If there's something out there for a good price I say we get it, Regardless of how many "cores" it has >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Anil Sharma >> Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 3:13 PM >> To: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >> Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card >> >> I propose getting a number of cores that will actually be used. >> >> make -j kinda counts, except this is going to be a desktop machine, >> not a server. >> >> As I've said many times before, it's your club, do what you want. >> However, I see zero point in going down the surplus cores, lower >> performance route. >> >> Cheers, >> Anil >> >> On 29 July 2010 11:30, Mitch Kelly wrote: >>> Price Diff: (2.8Ghz equiv) >>> Hexacore: Price $239.00 >>> Core i5 (Quad): $259.00 >>> >>> Anil, Are you proposing we spend more on getting Less cores? >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:tech-bounces at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] >>> On Behalf Of Rufus Garton Smith >>> Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:26 AM >>> To: Anil Sharma >>> Cc: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au; committee at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au >>> Subject: Re: [tech] New clubroom machine and graphics card >>> >>> I for one intend to execute make -j at some point. >>> >>> Rufus >>> >>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Anil Sharma wrote: >>> >>>> I'm pretty sure quad-cores are still unnecessary for UCC's desktop >>> machines. >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/29/10 >>> 01:38:00 >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3035 - Release Date: 07/29/10 01:38:00 >> > From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Jul 29 22:16:39 2010 From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:16:39 +0800 (WST) Subject: [tech] DNS backup NSes Message-ID: I have taken dns.uwa.edu.au and dns1.uwa.edu.au out of the list of backup NSes for the UCC domain. They don't appear to be slaving the domain properly and it is playing havoc with various zone updates I am trying to complete. This just leaves us with ns2.bur.st as a backup DNS server. [MSH] has been wondering for a while if there's someone with an overseas node who might second our DNS for us; anyone have any ideas? We don't really need any more Australian-based hosts at this stage. Alternatively, http://zoneedit.com/ appears to have a mostly-free service. David Adam UCC Wheel Member zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au From sj26 at ucc.asn.au Thu Jul 29 22:24:17 2010 From: sj26 at ucc.asn.au (Samuel Cochran) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:24:17 +0800 Subject: [tech] DNS backup NSes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It might be worth approaching http://freedns.afraid.org/. They have a great network and would probably sympathise with the club, perhaps donating a backup service. We may not even need their help: http://freedns.afraid.org/secondary/instructions.php I've been using them as the primary host for my personal domains for quite some time. Sam. Samuel Cochran sj26 at sj26.com, +61-415-441-909 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:16 PM, David Adam wrote: > I have taken dns.uwa.edu.au and dns1.uwa.edu.au out of the list of backup > NSes for the UCC domain. They don't appear to be slaving the domain > properly and it is playing havoc with various zone updates I am trying to > complete. > > This just leaves us with ns2.bur.st as a backup DNS server. [MSH] has been > wondering for a while if there's someone with an overseas node who might > second our DNS for us; anyone have any ideas? We don't really need any > more Australian-based hosts at this stage. Alternatively, > http://zoneedit.com/ appears to have a mostly-free service. > > David Adam > UCC Wheel Member > zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/tech/attachments/20100729/bf789a72/attachment-0001.htm From blinken at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 00:57:49 2010 From: blinken at gmail.com (Patrick Coleman) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:57:49 +0800 Subject: [tech] DNS backup NSes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 29/07/2010, at 22:16, David Adam wrote: > > This just leaves us with ns2.bur.st as a backup DNS server. [MSH] has been > wondering for a while if there's someone with an overseas node who might > second our DNS for us; anyone have any ideas? We've got a slicehost vps for Labyrinth that isn't doing anything except dns secondarying, so I've got no problem secondarying ucc as well. Let me know the domains you want, and I'll send through the details when I'm not standing in a line outside an Optus store. ...It seemed like a good idea three hours ago. -Patrick :) From adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Fri Jul 30 20:23:47 2010 From: adrian at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:23:47 +0800 Subject: [tech] DNS backup NSes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100730122347.GD3614@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010, Patrick Coleman wrote: > We've got a slicehost vps for Labyrinth that isn't doing anything except dns secondarying, so I've got no problem secondarying ucc as well. > > Let me know the domains you want, and I'll send through the details when I'm not standing in a line outside an Optus store. > > ...It seemed like a good idea three hours ago. Ditto for me and Xenion's local and international NS'es. Adrian