From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Feb  1 22:55:26 2012
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:55:26 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] [ucc] Minutes of Meeting 1st February 2012
In-Reply-To: <20120201220310.20923l6iux1dcrac@secure.ucc.asn.au>
References: <20120201220310.20923l6iux1dcrac@secure.ucc.asn.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202012249110.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, 1 Feb 2012, matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:
<snipsnipsnip>
> UCC Committee Minutes 01-02-2012
> Machine Technical Reports
> -------------------------
> Servers
>  - Remote management on motsugo crashed
>  - [BOB] fixed using magical powers

By 'crashed' I mean its IP address somehow became corrupt - it had a 
meaningless IP address and the subnet mask was the original IP address. 
Weird. Anyway the fix was as follows:

To show the current network config of the Baseboard Management Controller :
motsugo# ipmitool lan print 1

And to reboot the just the BMC (without restarting the entire machine):
motsugo# ipmitool bmc reset cold

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |



From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Feb  5 10:30:46 2012
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 10:30:46 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi All,

Humpback is broken, and unless someone feels like removing and 
replacing most of the capacitors on the board, it's not coming back any 
time soon. We've budgeted $2200 this year for two new clubroom machines, 
so can I please get a volunteer to price up a box for $1100 to replace 
humpback?

I think something like clownfish would be good (AMD FM1 build), but a 
smaller case is definitely in order. Other than a box, we also need to 
price in a mechanical keyboard - the iOne Scorpius M10 on clownfish has 
proven to be quite nice at a good price. All this of course is open to 
debate.

Anyway - volunteers?

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Feb  6 09:18:30 2012
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Sam Moore)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 09:18:30 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202060914350.15349@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>


I was actually actioned to do this, however
a) I probably won't have it done by wednesday
b) If anyone else wants to do it, feel free!

Do we really need a new keyboard as well?

[SZM]

On Sun, 5 Feb 2012, Bob Adamson wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Humpback is broken, and unless someone feels like removing and
> replacing most of the capacitors on the board, it's not coming back any
> time soon. We've budgeted $2200 this year for two new clubroom machines,
> so can I please get a volunteer to price up a box for $1100 to replace
> humpback?
>
> I think something like clownfish would be good (AMD FM1 build), but a
> smaller case is definitely in order. Other than a box, we also need to
> price in a mechanical keyboard - the iOne Scorpius M10 on clownfish has
> proven to be quite nice at a good price. All this of course is open to
> debate.
>
> Anyway - volunteers?
>
> Andrew Adamson
> UCC President
> bob at ucc.asn.au
>
> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
>

From maset at ucc.asn.au  Mon Feb  6 15:13:56 2012
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:13:56 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202060914350.15349@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1202060914350.15349@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CAJUJhpZC8-UxgNtFsmNPOi0nA=J0BXRvZGqNxEM+_Eq0O9enmw@mail.gmail.com>

"I was actually actioned to do this" is a nonsense phrase.

Cheers,
Anil.

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Feb  7 11:17:36 2012
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:17:36 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20120207111736.2111635s6j93kjs4@secure.ucc.asn.au>

Hi,

Following Bob's suggestion, I priced up something similar to Clownfish:

Price      Type            Model
---------------------------------------------------
79         Case            CoolerMaster Elite 342 RC342 420W PS
110        Motherboard     Asus F1A75-M-LE FM1 USB3 Hudson D3 RAID GLAN DVI MB
149        CPU             MD A8-3870K Quad Core Fusion FM1 CPU 3.0Ghz 4Mb
                            Llano 3870 AD3870WNGXBOX Boxed HS & Fan
129        Hard drive      Seagate 1TB SATA3 32Mb Cache Barracuda
                            7200RPM / SATA 6Gb/s
69         Memory         8Gb DDR3 1600Mhz G.Skill 2X4Gb
                           Kit Ripjaws-X 12800 Heatsink F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
29         DVDRW Drive    LG GH24-NS70 24X SATA Black
                           DVDRW, Dual Layer Kit; DVDRAM

The total is $565

This ended up being a lot less than $1100, and is also cheaper than  
Clownfish; the savings are in the Hard drive and the DVDRW drive (vs  
Clownfish's bluray). Most of the other parts are similar or the same,  
and also of similar or identical prices.

If we want to spend more money and get something better, I'm happy to  
redo this.

For those who care, here are the links:

Case:  
http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CACOELI342-042/CoolerMaster_Elite_342_RC342_Case_420W_PS_RC-342-KKR4_120mm_Fan_uATX_Compact

Motherboard:  
http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MBASF1A75-M-LE/Asus_F1A75-M-LE_FM1_USB3_Hudson_D3_RAID_GLAN_DVI_MB

CPU:  
http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CPAMM3-4-A8-3870/AMD_A8-3870K_Quad_Core_Fusion_FM1_CPU_3.0Ghz_4Mb_Llano_3870_AD3870WNGXBOX_Boxed_HS_&_Fan

Hard drive: http://www.netplus.com.au/product/HDSE72RSATA999G
/Seagate_1TB_SATA3_32Mb_Cache_Barracuda_7200RPM_SATA_6Gbs_PN:_ST31000524AS

Memory:  
http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MYD316-8192GK/8Gb_DDR3_1600Mhz_G.Skill_2X4Gb_Kit_Ripjaws-X_12800_Heatsink_F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

DVD Drive:  
http://www.netplus.com.au/product/OPLGGH20NS10/LG_GH24-NS70_24X_SATA_Black_DVDRW,_Dual_Layer_Kit;_DVDRAM_

Everything is from netplus, because it was more convenient to get  
everything from one place than to trawl the internet in the hopes of  
saving $50.

I am eagerly eager to anticipate your insightful grammatical criticism.

[SZM]
UCC OCM 2011


Quoting Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>:

> Hi All,
>
> Humpback is broken, and unless someone feels like removing and
> replacing most of the capacitors on the board, it's not coming back any
> time soon. We've budgeted $2200 this year for two new clubroom machines,
> so can I please get a volunteer to price up a box for $1100 to replace
> humpback?
>
> I think something like clownfish would be good (AMD FM1 build), but a
> smaller case is definitely in order. Other than a box, we also need to
> price in a mechanical keyboard - the iOne Scorpius M10 on clownfish has
> proven to be quite nice at a good price. All this of course is open to
> debate.
>
> Anyway - volunteers?
>
> Andrew Adamson
> UCC President
> bob at ucc.asn.au
>
> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
>




From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Feb  7 12:09:02 2012
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:09:02 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Problems with Mylah's network connection
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1201022317470.28666@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1201022317470.28666@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202071135300.11522@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, David Adam wrote:
> For as long as I can remember, people have been complaining that the 
> network is slow. "Whatever", I usually think, and go back to IRC.
> 
> Then I wrote a backups script that uses SSH and discovered that it would 
> die occasionally with "Corrupted MAC on input. Disconnecting: Packet 
> corrupt". Oops.
> 
> Further investigation reveals that an
>   `ssh root at murasoi cat /dev/zero | pv > /dev/null`
> pipe will eventually die with the same error message (i.e. the stream gets 
> corrupted at some point), but it usually takes hours and up to twenty 
> gigabytes of traffic. It happens between Mylah and Motsugo, too, but it 
> doesn't seem to happen between Murasoi and anything else (including 
> anything on the same switch as Mylah) - over 3TB transferred without a 
> problem.
> 
> Interestingly even though both Mylah and Murasoi are on gigabit 
> connections, the maximum throughput is more like 2-300 megabit as measured 
> by pv(1); on other gigabit-enabled hosts on the machine room it is more 
> like 800 megabit. The throughput also drops every few minutes to basically 
> zero. iperf(1) shows similar information.
> 
> A little bit of analysis with tcpdump(8) shows that captures on Mylah show 
> significant packet loss interrupting the TCP stream - lots of missed ACKs 
> and retransmissions. I suspect this causing the throughput limitations and 
> occasional pauses, but I'm not sure it is responsible for the corrupted 
> packets.
> 
> I'm not really sure where to go from here. iperf is supposed to give some 
> in-depth indication of TCP performance or dropped datagrams in UDP mode 
> but does neither. The tcpdump traces are not particularly enlightening; 
> not much is changing quickly in `netstat -s`.
> 
> I wonder about the performance of a 32-bit 33mHz gigabit network card but 
> have no idea how to measure the PCI utilisation or interrupt frequency on 
> Linux. (pcitop looked promising but only works on HP IA-64 machines.)
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts?

I've been poking at this off and on over the last few weeks as I've had 
time and am no closer to understanding what's going on. I've been testing 
with both SSH and uncompressed nc(1) pipes.

It might be partly a switch issue. The throughput between Meersau (on 
curviceps like Mylah) and Murasoi (on coconut) is about double what it is 
between Mylah and Murasoi, but still only about half of what it is between 
Murasoi and Motsugo (both on coconut).

I'm pretty sure it's not a bus speed issue. There is a tg3-based device in 
Mylah as well, which is on a PCI Express slot, and the throughput is 
equally crappy. We initially switched away from this due to bugs in the 
tg3 driver, but a lot of work has been done in newer kernels which we are 
now running.

I guess it could be a CPU speed thing - Mylah is now at the slower end of 
the spectrum of machines and it also hosts Mussel as a VM which is 
relatively busy. The data that supports this is that the throughput drops 
about 50% when going between Mussel and Mylah as compared to Mylah and 
anything else, which would suggest to me that the bulk of the issue is in 
the Linux networking code.

In terms of the corruption issue, my inexpert use of tcpdump and 
binary-diffs doesn't identify a difference in the captured stream that 
would lead to a "packet corrupt" issue, but there's a possibility the 
stream is getting mangled above the level of the packet capture.

I wonder if we're tickling a bug in OpenSSH. Using the Dropbear client on 
Mylah and the OpenSSH server on Murasoi doesn't produce the same problems 
as the OpenSSH client; presumably Dropbear does the same sort of packet 
integrity checks (Matt?).

I am still very much open to ideas about how to proceed.

[DAA]

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Feb  8 18:42:33 2012
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:42:33 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <20120207111736.2111635s6j93kjs4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<20120207111736.2111635s6j93kjs4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
Message-ID: <20120208184233.10894xs0gbejoyw4@secure.ucc.asn.au>

Hi all,

Some issues with the new box have been raised at the latest committee meeting:

1. Size of the case - the current case is too big (personally I don't care)
2. The Hard drive - An SSD would be faster (A good point)
3. Keyboard - I didn't see any reason to buy a keyboard; some  
committee members disagree

[TPG] and I have been actioned to organise the replacement for a  
budget of ~$750, including keyboards

I was planning on replacing the hard drive with an SSD, and adding a keyboard.
The rest of the items would remain the same.
The suggested keyboard is ~$120

Opinions?

[SZM]
Apparently a Vulcan




Quoting matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au:

> Hi,
>
> Following Bob's suggestion, I priced up something similar to Clownfish:
>
> Price      Type            Model
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 79         Case            CoolerMaster Elite 342 RC342 420W PS
> 110        Motherboard     Asus F1A75-M-LE FM1 USB3 Hudson D3 RAID  
> GLAN DVI MB
> 149        CPU             MD A8-3870K Quad Core Fusion FM1 CPU 3.0Ghz 4Mb
>                            Llano 3870 AD3870WNGXBOX Boxed HS & Fan
> 129        Hard drive      Seagate 1TB SATA3 32Mb Cache Barracuda
>                            7200RPM / SATA 6Gb/s
> 69         Memory         8Gb DDR3 1600Mhz G.Skill 2X4Gb
>                           Kit Ripjaws-X 12800 Heatsink F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
> 29         DVDRW Drive    LG GH24-NS70 24X SATA Black
>                           DVDRW, Dual Layer Kit; DVDRAM
>
> The total is $565
>
> This ended up being a lot less than $1100, and is also cheaper than  
> Clownfish; the savings are in the Hard drive and the DVDRW drive (vs  
> Clownfish's bluray). Most of the other parts are similar or the  
> same, and also of similar or identical prices.
>
> If we want to spend more money and get something better, I'm happy  
> to redo this.
>
> For those who care, here are the links:
>
> Case:  
> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CACOELI342-042/CoolerMaster_Elite_342_RC342_Case_420W_PS_RC-342-KKR4_120mm_Fan_uATX_Compact
>
> Motherboard:  
> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MBASF1A75-M-LE/Asus_F1A75-M-LE_FM1_USB3_Hudson_D3_RAID_GLAN_DVI_MB
>
> CPU:  
> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/CPAMM3-4-A8-3870/AMD_A8-3870K_Quad_Core_Fusion_FM1_CPU_3.0Ghz_4Mb_Llano_3870_AD3870WNGXBOX_Boxed_HS_&_Fan
>
> Hard drive: http://www.netplus.com.au/product/HDSE72RSATA999G
> /Seagate_1TB_SATA3_32Mb_Cache_Barracuda_7200RPM_SATA_6Gbs_PN:_ST31000524AS
>
> Memory:  
> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/MYD316-8192GK/8Gb_DDR3_1600Mhz_G.Skill_2X4Gb_Kit_Ripjaws-X_12800_Heatsink_F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
>
> DVD Drive:  
> http://www.netplus.com.au/product/OPLGGH20NS10/LG_GH24-NS70_24X_SATA_Black_DVDRW,_Dual_Layer_Kit;_DVDRAM_
>
> Everything is from netplus, because it was more convenient to get  
> everything from one place than to trawl the internet in the hopes of  
> saving $50.
>
> I am eagerly eager to anticipate your insightful grammatical criticism.
>
> [SZM]
> UCC OCM 2011
>
>
> Quoting Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Humpback is broken, and unless someone feels like removing and
>> replacing most of the capacitors on the board, it's not coming back any
>> time soon. We've budgeted $2200 this year for two new clubroom machines,
>> so can I please get a volunteer to price up a box for $1100 to replace
>> humpback?
>>
>> I think something like clownfish would be good (AMD FM1 build), but a
>> smaller case is definitely in order. Other than a box, we also need to
>> price in a mechanical keyboard - the iOne Scorpius M10 on clownfish has
>> proven to be quite nice at a good price. All this of course is open to
>> debate.
>>
>> Anyway - volunteers?
>>
>> Andrew Adamson
>> UCC President
>> bob at ucc.asn.au
>>
>> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
>> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
>>
>
>
>




From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Feb  8 18:49:50 2012
From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:49:50 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <20120208184233.10894xs0gbejoyw4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<20120207111736.2111635s6j93kjs4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
	<20120208184233.10894xs0gbejoyw4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202081849030.7734@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:
> The suggested keyboard is ~$120
>
> Opinions?

$120 for a keyboard? 
I hope it makes coffee...

[zar]

From maset at ucc.asn.au  Wed Feb  8 20:32:50 2012
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:32:50 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202081849030.7734@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<20120207111736.2111635s6j93kjs4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
	<20120208184233.10894xs0gbejoyw4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1202081849030.7734@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CAJUJhpZBMsdQdLsZJwGidddF+=JfRmyA-K88MkthsJA2JJAztQ@mail.gmail.com>

"have been actioned" why do you insist on this militant stupidity?

I also agree with Alwyn, that keyboard had better be pretty darned special.

Cheers,
Anil.

From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Feb  8 20:45:33 2012
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:45:33 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAJUJhpZBMsdQdLsZJwGidddF+=JfRmyA-K88MkthsJA2JJAztQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<20120207111736.2111635s6j93kjs4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
	<20120208184233.10894xs0gbejoyw4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1202081849030.7734@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<CAJUJhpZBMsdQdLsZJwGidddF+=JfRmyA-K88MkthsJA2JJAztQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202082043030.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

* bob actions Anil to build a bridge and get over it

The keyboard has the same components as a DAS Keyboard (and has Cherry 
Blue switches). So yes, pretty darned special :-)

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Anil Sharma wrote:

> "have been actioned" why do you insist on this militant stupidity?
> 
> I also agree with Alwyn, that keyboard had better be pretty darned special.
> 
> Cheers,
> Anil.
> 

From prothoss at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 20:49:07 2012
From: prothoss at gmail.com (Conrad Pogson)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:49:07 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202082043030.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<20120207111736.2111635s6j93kjs4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
	<20120208184233.10894xs0gbejoyw4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1202081849030.7734@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
	<CAJUJhpZBMsdQdLsZJwGidddF+=JfRmyA-K88MkthsJA2JJAztQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1202082043030.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CAJHK+RO9TW8EFuTUYgb1FBkA32pKV_4ToacSkqTOc-u7LqaP4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm still unclear why we need such an expensive keyboard on a machine that
will mostly be used to check mail and irc.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:

> * bob actions Anil to build a bridge and get over it
>
> The keyboard has the same components as a DAS Keyboard (and has Cherry
> Blue switches). So yes, pretty darned special :-)
>
> Andrew Adamson
> UCC President
> bob at ucc.asn.au
>
> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
>
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Anil Sharma wrote:
>
> > "have been actioned" why do you insist on this militant stupidity?
> >
> > I also agree with Alwyn, that keyboard had better be pretty darned
> special.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Anil.
> >
>



-- 
Conrad Pogson
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From frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Feb  8 21:06:07 2012
From: frenchie at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (James French)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 21:06:07 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
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	<20120208184233.10894xs0gbejoyw4@secure.ucc.asn.au>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1202081849030.7734@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
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Lets be honest, all UCC members look after club keyboards and mice
like they own them. No-one ever eats/spills shit on them and makes
them horrible within a matter of weeks.

F.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Conrad Pogson <prothoss at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm still unclear why we need such an expensive keyboard on a machine that
> will mostly be used to check mail and irc.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>> * bob actions Anil to build a bridge and get over it
>>
>> The keyboard has the same components as a DAS Keyboard (and has Cherry
>> Blue switches). So yes, pretty darned special :-)
>>
>> Andrew Adamson
>> UCC President
>> bob at ucc.asn.au
>>
>> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live." ? ? |
>> | ---Peter's Laws ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Anil Sharma wrote:
>>
>> > "have been actioned" why do you insist on this militant stupidity?
>> >
>> > I also agree with Alwyn, that keyboard had better be pretty darned
>> > special.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Anil.
>> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Conrad Pogson

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Feb  8 21:18:57 2012
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Sam Moore)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 21:18:57 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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I'm not really in favour of such an expensive keyboard either. I'll look 
for something cheaper. Unless everyone changes their mind or something.

Anil: With all due respect sir, I was unaware of the militaristic 
undertones in my statement. When explaining future tactical situations I 
will attempt to address the troops in a more appropriate, and informal manner.
[SZM] out.

(Possibly I've been playing too much Stratego? Did I mention we have a 
programming competition about it?)


On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, James French wrote:

> Lets be honest, all UCC members look after club keyboards and mice
> like they own them. No-one ever eats/spills shit on them and makes
> them horrible within a matter of weeks.
>
> F.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Conrad Pogson <prothoss at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm still unclear why we need such an expensive keyboard on a machine that
>> will mostly be used to check mail and irc.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> * bob actions Anil to build a bridge and get over it
>>>
>>> The keyboard has the same components as a DAS Keyboard (and has Cherry
>>> Blue switches). So yes, pretty darned special :-)
>>>
>>> Andrew Adamson
>>> UCC President
>>> bob at ucc.asn.au
>>>
>>> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live." ? ? |
>>> | ---Peter's Laws ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Anil Sharma wrote:
>>>
>>>> "have been actioned" why do you insist on this militant stupidity?
>>>>
>>>> I also agree with Alwyn, that keyboard had better be pretty darned
>>>> special.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Anil.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Conrad Pogson
>

From grahame at angrygoats.net  Wed Feb  8 21:21:22 2012
From: grahame at angrygoats.net (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 21:21:22 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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On 8 February 2012 20:45, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:

> * bob actions Anil to build a bridge and get over it


+1 with Anil here, using "action" as a verb makes you sound like you have
delusions of ITIL.
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From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Wed Feb  8 21:30:49 2012
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 21:30:49 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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I refer you to the difference in cleanliness between the gaming machine 
keyboards and the mechanical keyboard on clownfish (opensuse machine). 
Clownfishes is still clean, the gaming machines are disgusting - 
Coincidence?

We spend the money on the gaming machines to make them good for what 
they're used for (in the form of graphics cards) - let's do the same for 
the programming and work focused machines. It's a well known fact that the 
mechanical keyboards DO last longer, and they DO in fact get lloked after 
when on non-gaming machines.

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, James French wrote:

> Lets be honest, all UCC members look after club keyboards and mice
> like they own them. No-one ever eats/spills shit on them and makes
> them horrible within a matter of weeks.
> 
> F.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Conrad Pogson <prothoss at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm still unclear why we need such an expensive keyboard on a machine that
> > will mostly be used to check mail and irc.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> * bob actions Anil to build a bridge and get over it
> >>
> >> The keyboard has the same components as a DAS Keyboard (and has Cherry
> >> Blue switches). So yes, pretty darned special :-)
> >>
> >> Andrew Adamson
> >> UCC President
> >> bob at ucc.asn.au
> >>
> >> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live." ? ? |
> >> | ---Peter's Laws ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|
> >>
> >> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Anil Sharma wrote:
> >>
> >> > "have been actioned" why do you insist on this militant stupidity?
> >> >
> >> > I also agree with Alwyn, that keyboard had better be pretty darned
> >> > special.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Anil.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Conrad Pogson
> 

From prothoss at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 22:16:52 2012
From: prothoss at gmail.com (Conrad Pogson)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:16:52 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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Didn't we buy that keyboard for clownfish during the break, when no-one is
around?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:

> I refer you to the difference in cleanliness between the gaming machine
> keyboards and the mechanical keyboard on clownfish (opensuse machine).
> Clownfishes is still clean, the gaming machines are disgusting -
> Coincidence?
>
> We spend the money on the gaming machines to make them good for what
> they're used for (in the form of graphics cards) - let's do the same for
> the programming and work focused machines. It's a well known fact that the
> mechanical keyboards DO last longer, and they DO in fact get lloked after
> when on non-gaming machines.
>
> Andrew Adamson
> UCC President
> bob at ucc.asn.au
>
> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
>
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, James French wrote:
>
> > Lets be honest, all UCC members look after club keyboards and mice
> > like they own them. No-one ever eats/spills shit on them and makes
> > them horrible within a matter of weeks.
> >
> > F.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Conrad Pogson <prothoss at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > I'm still unclear why we need such an expensive keyboard on a machine
> that
> > > will mostly be used to check mail and irc.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> * bob actions Anil to build a bridge and get over it
> > >>
> > >> The keyboard has the same components as a DAS Keyboard (and has Cherry
> > >> Blue switches). So yes, pretty darned special :-)
> > >>
> > >> Andrew Adamson
> > >> UCC President
> > >> bob at ucc.asn.au
> > >>
> > >> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."
>     |
> > >> | ---Peter's Laws
>    |
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Anil Sharma wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > "have been actioned" why do you insist on this militant stupidity?
> > >> >
> > >> > I also agree with Alwyn, that keyboard had better be pretty darned
> > >> > special.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Anil.
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Conrad Pogson
> >
>



-- 
Conrad Pogson
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From zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Feb  9 08:48:42 2012
From: zarquin at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Alwyn Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:48:42 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Bob Adamson wrote:

> I refer you to the difference in cleanliness between the gaming machine
> keyboards and the mechanical keyboard on clownfish (opensuse machine).
> Clownfishes is still clean, the gaming machines are disgusting -
> Coincidence?

What will stop someone taking the wonderful mechanical keyboard and 
plugging it into a gaming machine?

Is it a sealed keyboard?

While i acknowledge the true superiority of the mechanical action 
keyboard, and, with the reasoning behind why spending so much on a 
keyboard could be justified, I can't see how it will be a good investment.

It seems that's $100 more than is necessary, which could be used to 
purchase 4 Adiuino boards, or an mBed for example...

If however, the keyboard could be assured to be clean and nice to use for 
3-4 years, then it's probably a worthwhile purchase.

[ZAR]


>
> We spend the money on the gaming machines to make them good for what
> they're used for (in the form of graphics cards) - let's do the same for
> the programming and work focused machines. It's a well known fact that the
> mechanical keyboards DO last longer, and they DO in fact get lloked after
> when on non-gaming machines.
>
> Andrew Adamson
> UCC President
> bob at ucc.asn.au
>
> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
>
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, James French wrote:
>
>> Lets be honest, all UCC members look after club keyboards and mice
>> like they own them. No-one ever eats/spills shit on them and makes
>> them horrible within a matter of weeks.
>>
>> F.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Conrad Pogson <prothoss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm still unclear why we need such an expensive keyboard on a machine that
>>> will mostly be used to check mail and irc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> * bob actions Anil to build a bridge and get over it
>>>>
>>>> The keyboard has the same components as a DAS Keyboard (and has Cherry
>>>> Blue switches). So yes, pretty darned special :-)
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Adamson
>>>> UCC President
>>>> bob at ucc.asn.au
>>>>
>>>> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live." ? ? |
>>>> | ---Peter's Laws ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Anil Sharma wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "have been actioned" why do you insist on this militant stupidity?
>>>>>
>>>>> I also agree with Alwyn, that keyboard had better be pretty darned
>>>>> special.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Anil.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Conrad Pogson
>>

From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Feb  9 15:20:04 2012
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:20:04 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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Well, the gamers tend not to like the cherry blue switches because the 
keystroke is too long for gaming and they actuate before they bottom out. 
However, they're still very useable for gaming if you're not super picky.

What really stops them being nicked for the gaming machines is the small 
padlock I connect to the cable+case (which a usb plug can't fit through). 
This also stops the mice going walkies after the mice on the gaming 
machines have been smashed.

No it's not a sealed keyboard. Any keyboard we get will eventually get 
dirty on top - we clean them every other clubroom cleanup. The difference 
is that the mechanical ones don't seize up so fast when they get dirty 
under the keys.

It's interesting that you say 4 arduino boards and an mBed. UCC currently 
owns 4 seeduinos (arduino knockoffs) and one working mBed board. We have 
owned them for at least six months and they haven't been used in that 
time. On the other hand we have a keyboard that gets used several times a 
day. Any other alternative purchases you can suggest, given we budgeted 
$1100 for this machine and we're only spending about $630 on it (that's 
without the keyboard)?

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Alwyn Lloyd wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Bob Adamson wrote:
> 
> > I refer you to the difference in cleanliness between the gaming machine
> > keyboards and the mechanical keyboard on clownfish (opensuse machine).
> > Clownfishes is still clean, the gaming machines are disgusting -
> > Coincidence?
> 
> What will stop someone taking the wonderful mechanical keyboard and plugging
> it into a gaming machine?
> 
> Is it a sealed keyboard?
> 
> While i acknowledge the true superiority of the mechanical action keyboard,
> and, with the reasoning behind why spending so much on a keyboard could be
> justified, I can't see how it will be a good investment.
> 
> It seems that's $100 more than is necessary, which could be used to purchase 4
> Adiuino boards, or an mBed for example...
> 
> If however, the keyboard could be assured to be clean and nice to use for 3-4
> years, then it's probably a worthwhile purchase.
> 
> [ZAR]
> 
> 
> > 
> > We spend the money on the gaming machines to make them good for what
> > they're used for (in the form of graphics cards) - let's do the same for
> > the programming and work focused machines. It's a well known fact that the
> > mechanical keyboards DO last longer, and they DO in fact get lloked after
> > when on non-gaming machines.
> > 
> > Andrew Adamson
> > UCC President
> > bob at ucc.asn.au
> > 
> > |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> > | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
> > 
> > On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, James French wrote:
> > 
> > > Lets be honest, all UCC members look after club keyboards and mice
> > > like they own them. No-one ever eats/spills shit on them and makes
> > > them horrible within a matter of weeks.
> > > 
> > > F.
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Conrad Pogson <prothoss at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I'm still unclear why we need such an expensive keyboard on a machine
> > > > that
> > > > will mostly be used to check mail and irc.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > * bob actions Anil to build a bridge and get over it
> > > > > 
> > > > > The keyboard has the same components as a DAS Keyboard (and has Cherry
> > > > > Blue switches). So yes, pretty darned special :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Andrew Adamson
> > > > > UCC President
> > > > > bob at ucc.asn.au
> > > > > 
> > > > > |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live." ?
> > > > > ? |
> > > > > | ---Peter's Laws ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > > > > ? ?|
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Anil Sharma wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > "have been actioned" why do you insist on this militant stupidity?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I also agree with Alwyn, that keyboard had better be pretty darned
> > > > > > special.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Anil.
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Conrad Pogson
> 

From danielax at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 15:29:29 2012
From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel Axtens)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:29:29 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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> day. Any other alternative purchases you can suggest, given we budgeted 
> $1100 for this machine and we're only spending about $630 on it (that's 
> without the keyboard)?


A colour laser MFC? Finding a colour laser on campus is pretty annoying.

[DJA]


From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Thu Feb  9 16:09:35 2012
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:09:35 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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We already have a high quality scanner, a b&w MFC, a colour laser printer, 
and a b&w laser printer (phosphorous). Do we really need more? Can we 
offer this cheaper than uniprint?

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Daniel Axtens wrote:

> > day. Any other alternative purchases you can suggest, given we budgeted 
> > $1100 for this machine and we're only spending about $630 on it (that's 
> > without the keyboard)?
> 
> 
> A colour laser MFC? Finding a colour laser on campus is pretty annoying.
> 
> [DJA]
> 

From danielax at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 16:13:12 2012
From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel Axtens)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:13:12 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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We can offer it more conveniently than UniPrint. And our scanner is flatbed and therefore slow and painful to use, and you can't scan to usb.

-- d

On 09/02/2012, at 4:09 PM, Bob Adamson wrote:

> We already have a high quality scanner, a b&w MFC, a colour laser printer, 
> and a b&w laser printer (phosphorous). Do we really need more? Can we 
> offer this cheaper than uniprint?
> 
> Andrew Adamson
> UCC President
> bob at ucc.asn.au
> 
> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
> 
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Daniel Axtens wrote:
> 
>>> day. Any other alternative purchases you can suggest, given we budgeted 
>>> $1100 for this machine and we're only spending about $630 on it (that's 
>>> without the keyboard)?
>> 
>> 
>> A colour laser MFC? Finding a colour laser on campus is pretty annoying.
>> 
>> [DJA]
>> 


From blinken at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 17:18:24 2012
From: blinken at gmail.com (Patrick Coleman)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:18:24 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202091502540.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> Well, the gamers tend not to like the cherry blue switches because the
> keystroke is too long for gaming and they actuate before they bottom out.
> However, they're still very useable for gaming if you're not super picky.

I'm all for decent keyboards - but then, I've just finished painting
my bikeshed.

-Patrick

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Feb 12 16:23:01 2012
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:23:01 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAM-f9EMb3+c7FR7BGY8irGovapwR6C_2wZZE_QAYHFVuXPzkXw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20120212162301.44301ymruwfcs6as@secure.ucc.asn.au>

Hi,

I've ordered the parts today; here is what we ended up getting:

Price      Type            Model
---------------------------------------------------
79         Case            CoolerMaster Elite 342 RC342 420W PS
110        Motherboard     Asus F1A75-M-LE FM1 USB3 Hudson D3 RAID GLAN DVI MB
149        CPU             MD A8-3870K Quad Core Fusion FM1 CPU 3.0Ghz 4Mb
                            Llano 3870 AD3870WNGXBOX Boxed HS & Fan
169        Hard drive      120Gb Strontium Python Series Sandforce SSD
                            SATA3 550/510 2.5" Solid State HDD
69         Memory         8Gb DDR3 1600Mhz G.Skill 2X4Gb
                           Kit Ripjaws-X 12800 Heatsink F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
29         DVDRW Drive    LG GH24-NS70 24X SATA Black
                           DVDRW, Dual Layer Kit; DVDRAM
39         Keyboard       Netpro QAlloy USB Keyboard

Total: 644 + shipping = $697

In my enthusiasm to get this finished, I went ahead and ordered the  
keyboard without asking anyone's opinion. I'm willing to keep that  
keyboard for myself if no one likes it, since its probably about time  
I bought a new one anyway.

[SZM]
OCM 2011


Quoting Patrick Coleman <blinken at gmail.com>:

> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>> Well, the gamers tend not to like the cherry blue switches because the
>> keystroke is too long for gaming and they actuate before they bottom out.
>> However, they're still very useable for gaming if you're not super picky.
>
> I'm all for decent keyboards - but then, I've just finished painting
> my bikeshed.
>
> -Patrick
>




From bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Feb 12 16:35:22 2012
From: bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:35:22 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <20120212162301.44301ymruwfcs6as@secure.ucc.asn.au>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202121635050.23017@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

We paid $53 shipping from a Perth based store?

Andrew Adamson
UCC President
bob at ucc.asn.au

|"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
| ---Peter's Laws                                                        |

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've ordered the parts today; here is what we ended up getting:
> 
> Price      Type            Model
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 79         Case            CoolerMaster Elite 342 RC342 420W PS
> 110        Motherboard     Asus F1A75-M-LE FM1 USB3 Hudson D3 RAID GLAN DVI MB
> 149        CPU             MD A8-3870K Quad Core Fusion FM1 CPU 3.0Ghz 4Mb
>                           Llano 3870 AD3870WNGXBOX Boxed HS & Fan
> 169        Hard drive      120Gb Strontium Python Series Sandforce SSD
>                           SATA3 550/510 2.5" Solid State HDD
> 69         Memory         8Gb DDR3 1600Mhz G.Skill 2X4Gb
>                          Kit Ripjaws-X 12800 Heatsink F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
> 29         DVDRW Drive    LG GH24-NS70 24X SATA Black
>                          DVDRW, Dual Layer Kit; DVDRAM
> 39         Keyboard       Netpro QAlloy USB Keyboard
> 
> Total: 644 + shipping = $697
> 
> In my enthusiasm to get this finished, I went ahead and ordered the keyboard
> without asking anyone's opinion. I'm willing to keep that keyboard for myself
> if no one likes it, since its probably about time I bought a new one anyway.
> 
> [SZM]
> OCM 2011
> 
> 
> Quoting Patrick Coleman <blinken at gmail.com>:
> 
> > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> > > Well, the gamers tend not to like the cherry blue switches because the
> > > keystroke is too long for gaming and they actuate before they bottom out.
> > > However, they're still very useable for gaming if you're not super picky.
> > 
> > I'm all for decent keyboards - but then, I've just finished painting
> > my bikeshed.
> > 
> > -Patrick
> > 
> 
> 

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Sun Feb 12 16:48:42 2012
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Sam Moore)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:48:42 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
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I paid for insurance, which is 5% ($32), so shipping was $21

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Bob Adamson wrote:

> We paid $53 shipping from a Perth based store?
>
> Andrew Adamson
> UCC President
> bob at ucc.asn.au
>
> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've ordered the parts today; here is what we ended up getting:
>>
>> Price      Type            Model
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 79         Case            CoolerMaster Elite 342 RC342 420W PS
>> 110        Motherboard     Asus F1A75-M-LE FM1 USB3 Hudson D3 RAID GLAN DVI MB
>> 149        CPU             MD A8-3870K Quad Core Fusion FM1 CPU 3.0Ghz 4Mb
>>                           Llano 3870 AD3870WNGXBOX Boxed HS & Fan
>> 169        Hard drive      120Gb Strontium Python Series Sandforce SSD
>>                           SATA3 550/510 2.5" Solid State HDD
>> 69         Memory         8Gb DDR3 1600Mhz G.Skill 2X4Gb
>>                          Kit Ripjaws-X 12800 Heatsink F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
>> 29         DVDRW Drive    LG GH24-NS70 24X SATA Black
>>                          DVDRW, Dual Layer Kit; DVDRAM
>> 39         Keyboard       Netpro QAlloy USB Keyboard
>>
>> Total: 644 + shipping = $697
>>
>> In my enthusiasm to get this finished, I went ahead and ordered the keyboard
>> without asking anyone's opinion. I'm willing to keep that keyboard for myself
>> if no one likes it, since its probably about time I bought a new one anyway.
>>
>> [SZM]
>> OCM 2011
>>
>>
>> Quoting Patrick Coleman <blinken at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>>>> Well, the gamers tend not to like the cherry blue switches because the
>>>> keystroke is too long for gaming and they actuate before they bottom out.
>>>> However, they're still very useable for gaming if you're not super picky.
>>>
>>> I'm all for decent keyboards - but then, I've just finished painting
>>> my bikeshed.
>>>
>>> -Patrick
>>>
>>
>>
>

From danielax at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 22:59:00 2012
From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel Axtens)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:59:00 +0800
Subject: [tech] Server upgrades yesterday
Message-ID: <883D2ACC-6109-4971-88B2-B2A079A01D6B@gmail.com>

Hi all,

While [SZM] and [MRD] were working on VMs, here's what I did on the servers yesterday.

 - motsugo: upgraded to kernel 3.1, thanks [BOB].

 - mussel: rebooted to get most recent debian stable kernel (thanks [TRS]).

 - mooneye: left it so [BOB] can get his kicks on uptime

 - murasoi: updated packages and rebooted to get most recent kernel.
   Installed snort. This became a rather epic quest:
    - Install the snort pacakge. Realise it doesn't support netfilter queue, which [DAA] says is important.
    - Install the dev packages libnetfilter-queue.
    - Rebuild libdaq0 from source.
    - Rebuild snort from source:
       - Remove prelude support, it causes compiling to break due to a missing .la file.
       - Hack the init.rd file to make it support nfq rather than pcap.
    - NOTE: We're now using hacked up debian packages of snort and libdaq0 (versions are suffixed by "~dja"). PLEASE be careful when upgrading.

  Snort is currently only watching sigma, but feel free to expand it if you like.

  NOTE: ucc-fw and dovecot2 didn't come up correctly after reboot. [DAA] has hit dovecot2 over the head, but someone should confirm ucc-fw has been correctly set up (it was missing symlinks in /dev/rcN.d/)

Enjoy!
[DJA]

From zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Feb 13 10:07:05 2012
From: zanchey at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (David Adam)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:07:05 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Server upgrades yesterday
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Daniel Axtens wrote:
>  - mooneye: left it so [BOB] can get his kicks on uptime
> 
>  - murasoi: updated packages and rebooted to get most recent kernel.
>    Installed snort. This became a rather epic quest:
>     - Install the snort pacakge. Realise it doesn't support netfilter 
>       queue, which [DAA] says is important.

Whoops. If I'd known it was going to be that hard I would have said not 
to bother! Sorry. It is probably the least intrusive way of running snort 
on a router.

>     - Install the dev packages libnetfilter-queue.
>     - Rebuild libdaq0 from source.
>     - Rebuild snort from source:
>        - Remove prelude support, it causes compiling to break due to a missing .la file.
>        - Hack the init.rd file to make it support nfq rather than pcap.
>     - NOTE: We're now using hacked up debian packages of snort and 
>       libdaq0 (versions are suffixed by "~dja"). PLEASE be careful when 
>       upgrading.

I've pinned these packages using apt_preferences(5). We should probably 
file an RFE with Debian to suggest NFQUEUE being enabled for their Linux 
packages.

>   Snort is currently only watching sigma, but feel free to expand it if you like.
> 
> NOTE: ucc-fw and dovecot2 didn't come up correctly after reboot. [DAA] 
> has hit dovecot2 over the head, but someone should confirm ucc-fw has 
> been correctly set up (it was missing symlinks in /dev/rcN.d/)

I've added LSB tags to the ucc-fw init script and updated the symlinks.

I also poked the bootloader on heathred so that it boots the kernel it's 
supposed to, and tested this.

[DAA]

From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Feb 13 10:14:32 2012
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:14:32 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202121645490.11982@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
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Message-ID: <20120213101432.21216g9r0fgmhpoo@secure.ucc.asn.au>

I've rung netplus and changed the order.

We should be able to pick up the parts now, and we won't have to pay for the
insurance or shipping.

Apologies for this latest fuck up.
[SZM]

Quoting Sam Moore <matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>:

> I paid for insurance, which is 5% ($32), so shipping was $21
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Bob Adamson wrote:
>
>> We paid $53 shipping from a Perth based store?
>>
>> Andrew Adamson
>> UCC President
>> bob at ucc.asn.au
>>
>> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
>> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've ordered the parts today; here is what we ended up getting:
>>>
>>> Price      Type            Model
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> 79         Case            CoolerMaster Elite 342 RC342 420W PS
>>> 110        Motherboard     Asus F1A75-M-LE FM1 USB3 Hudson D3 RAID  
>>> GLAN DVI MB
>>> 149        CPU             MD A8-3870K Quad Core Fusion FM1 CPU 3.0Ghz 4Mb
>>>                          Llano 3870 AD3870WNGXBOX Boxed HS & Fan
>>> 169        Hard drive      120Gb Strontium Python Series Sandforce SSD
>>>                          SATA3 550/510 2.5" Solid State HDD
>>> 69         Memory         8Gb DDR3 1600Mhz G.Skill 2X4Gb
>>>                         Kit Ripjaws-X 12800 Heatsink F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
>>> 29         DVDRW Drive    LG GH24-NS70 24X SATA Black
>>>                         DVDRW, Dual Layer Kit; DVDRAM
>>> 39         Keyboard       Netpro QAlloy USB Keyboard
>>>
>>> Total: 644 + shipping = $697
>>>
>>> In my enthusiasm to get this finished, I went ahead and ordered  
>>> the keyboard
>>> without asking anyone's opinion. I'm willing to keep that keyboard  
>>> for myself
>>> if no one likes it, since its probably about time I bought a new  
>>> one anyway.
>>>
>>> [SZM]
>>> OCM 2011
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Patrick Coleman <blinken at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>>>>> Well, the gamers tend not to like the cherry blue switches because the
>>>>> keystroke is too long for gaming and they actuate before they bottom out.
>>>>> However, they're still very useable for gaming if you're not super picky.
>>>>
>>>> I'm all for decent keyboards - but then, I've just finished painting
>>>> my bikeshed.
>>>>
>>>> -Patrick
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>




From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Mon Feb 13 12:59:54 2012
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Sam Moore)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:59:54 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <20120213101432.21216g9r0fgmhpoo@secure.ucc.asn.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202051030340.12248@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202131250090.3118@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

The Strontium SSD has been recalled.
We're getting a Corsair SSD instead, for about $10 more.

http://www.netplus.com.au/product/HDSSDCO55F012/120Gb_Corsair_Force_3_SSD_2.5_SATA3_550510_MBs_HDD_SF-2200_CSSD-F120GB3-BK

I still have to get through to netplus to tell them this.
So you have until then to object.

Also, I'm going to donate $50 to cover the cost of the keyboard I bought.
Then the club can afford to buy an uber keyboard and remain within budget.

[SZM]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:

> I've rung netplus and changed the order.
>
> We should be able to pick up the parts now, and we won't have to pay for the
> insurance or shipping.
>
> Apologies for this latest fuck up.
> [SZM]
>
> Quoting Sam Moore <matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>:
>
>> I paid for insurance, which is 5% ($32), so shipping was $21
>> 
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Bob Adamson wrote:
>> 
>>> We paid $53 shipping from a Perth based store?
>>> 
>>> Andrew Adamson
>>> UCC President
>>> bob at ucc.asn.au
>>> 
>>> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live."     |
>>> | ---Peter's Laws                                                        |
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I've ordered the parts today; here is what we ended up getting:
>>>> 
>>>> Price      Type            Model
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>> 79         Case            CoolerMaster Elite 342 RC342 420W PS
>>>> 110        Motherboard     Asus F1A75-M-LE FM1 USB3 Hudson D3 RAID GLAN 
>>>> DVI MB
>>>> 149        CPU             MD A8-3870K Quad Core Fusion FM1 CPU 3.0Ghz 
>>>> 4Mb
>>>>                         Llano 3870 AD3870WNGXBOX Boxed HS & Fan
>>>> 169        Hard drive      120Gb Strontium Python Series Sandforce SSD
>>>>                         SATA3 550/510 2.5" Solid State HDD
>>>> 69         Memory         8Gb DDR3 1600Mhz G.Skill 2X4Gb
>>>>                        Kit Ripjaws-X 12800 Heatsink F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
>>>> 29         DVDRW Drive    LG GH24-NS70 24X SATA Black
>>>>                        DVDRW, Dual Layer Kit; DVDRAM
>>>> 39         Keyboard       Netpro QAlloy USB Keyboard
>>>> 
>>>> Total: 644 + shipping = $697
>>>> 
>>>> In my enthusiasm to get this finished, I went ahead and ordered the 
>>>> keyboard
>>>> without asking anyone's opinion. I'm willing to keep that keyboard for 
>>>> myself
>>>> if no one likes it, since its probably about time I bought a new one 
>>>> anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> [SZM]
>>>> OCM 2011
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Quoting Patrick Coleman <blinken at gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Well, the gamers tend not to like the cherry blue switches because the
>>>>>> keystroke is too long for gaming and they actuate before they bottom 
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>> However, they're still very useable for gaming if you're not super 
>>>>>> picky.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm all for decent keyboards - but then, I've just finished painting
>>>>> my bikeshed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>
>

From bob at ucc.asn.au  Mon Feb 13 13:04:14 2012
From: bob at ucc.asn.au (Bob Adamson)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:04:14 +0800
Subject: [tech] Humpback Replacement
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202131250090.3118@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1202131250090.3118@motsugo.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <F4EAFB7486894F81A34262D3D8689062@Pales>

Sam: Thanks for putting up with me being picky and stubborn - I appreciate 
the work you've done.

I'll chuck in $50 for the uber keyboard as well.

Bob

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Moore
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:59 PM
To: tech at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au
Subject: Re: [tech] Humpback Replacement

The Strontium SSD has been recalled.
We're getting a Corsair SSD instead, for about $10 more.

http://www.netplus.com.au/product/HDSSDCO55F012/120Gb_Corsair_Force_3_SSD_2.5_SATA3_550510_MBs_HDD_SF-2200_CSSD-F120GB3-BK

I still have to get through to netplus to tell them this.
So you have until then to object.

Also, I'm going to donate $50 to cover the cost of the keyboard I bought.
Then the club can afford to buy an uber keyboard and remain within budget.

[SZM]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:

> I've rung netplus and changed the order.
>
> We should be able to pick up the parts now, and we won't have to pay for 
> the
> insurance or shipping.
>
> Apologies for this latest fuck up.
> [SZM]
>
> Quoting Sam Moore <matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>:
>
>> I paid for insurance, which is 5% ($32), so shipping was $21
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Bob Adamson wrote:
>>
>>> We paid $53 shipping from a Perth based store?
>>>
>>> Andrew Adamson
>>> UCC President
>>> bob at ucc.asn.au
>>>
>>> |"The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live." 
>>> |
>>> | ---Peter's Laws 
>>> |
>>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've ordered the parts today; here is what we ended up getting:
>>>>
>>>> Price      Type            Model
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>> 79         Case            CoolerMaster Elite 342 RC342 420W PS
>>>> 110        Motherboard     Asus F1A75-M-LE FM1 USB3 Hudson D3 RAID GLAN 
>>>> DVI MB
>>>> 149        CPU             MD A8-3870K Quad Core Fusion FM1 CPU 3.0Ghz 
>>>> 4Mb
>>>>                         Llano 3870 AD3870WNGXBOX Boxed HS & Fan
>>>> 169        Hard drive      120Gb Strontium Python Series Sandforce SSD
>>>>                         SATA3 550/510 2.5" Solid State HDD
>>>> 69         Memory         8Gb DDR3 1600Mhz G.Skill 2X4Gb
>>>>                        Kit Ripjaws-X 12800 Heatsink F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
>>>> 29         DVDRW Drive    LG GH24-NS70 24X SATA Black
>>>>                        DVDRW, Dual Layer Kit; DVDRAM
>>>> 39         Keyboard       Netpro QAlloy USB Keyboard
>>>>
>>>> Total: 644 + shipping = $697
>>>>
>>>> In my enthusiasm to get this finished, I went ahead and ordered the 
>>>> keyboard
>>>> without asking anyone's opinion. I'm willing to keep that keyboard for 
>>>> myself
>>>> if no one likes it, since its probably about time I bought a new one 
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>>> [SZM]
>>>> OCM 2011
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Patrick Coleman <blinken at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Well, the gamers tend not to like the cherry blue switches because 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> keystroke is too long for gaming and they actuate before they bottom 
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>> However, they're still very useable for gaming if you're not super 
>>>>>> picky.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm all for decent keyboards - but then, I've just finished painting
>>>>> my bikeshed.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
> 


From danielax at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 00:23:24 2012
From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel Axtens)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:23:24 +0800
Subject: [tech] Snort Testing
Message-ID: <2B9E690A-EC1E-44B6-A011-46C369610B8E@gmail.com>

I have enabled snort on a much wider range of IP addresses - colo boxes, vms and clubroom machines.

Let me know if this breaks anything.

[DJA]

From matt at didcoe.id.au  Wed Feb 15 20:01:19 2012
From: matt at didcoe.id.au (Matt Didcoe)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:01:19 +0800
Subject: [tech] Lock overheating
Message-ID: <9DA61AA7-6691-4FB8-8FB7-64C9C1667905@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Hi all,

The door lock was overheating again this evening. [DJA] has turned it off until someone that has a clue about the lock can take a look at it.

[MRD]
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From atyndall at ucc.asn.au  Sat Feb 18 17:14:53 2012
From: atyndall at ucc.asn.au (Ash Tyndall)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:14:53 +0800
Subject: [tech] Changes to clownfish
Message-ID: <CAAQZ0XfS0P8y47=bZo5vYyyaC7KgcYYCPSKJQ6a4nmpTt2ELyA@mail.gmail.com>

After a dist-upgrade on OpenSUSE by [BOB], problems were run into with
the OS only booting sometimes, other times it would freeze during the
boot process.
Attempts to get into single-user mode failed as, for reasons unknown,
clownfish's keyboard refuses to work in that mode.
I wiped the machine and installed Ubuntu after [DAA] tried to make the
OS boot consistently for a considerable time.
I'm setting up the SOE now; at the very least local root SSH access
with the clubroom password from the machine room should be working
before I leave tonight.
The machine may very well go back to OpenSUSE once [BOB] finds the
time to correct my clearly terrible distribution preference.

-- 
Ash Tyndall [ASH]
2011 Fresher Rep

From danielax at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 22:59:03 2012
From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel Axtens)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:59:03 +0800
Subject: [tech] Snort: should we block attacking hosts?
Message-ID: <F39019BA-3931-4C9E-AED2-CE98109F7A7A@gmail.com>

Greetings!

Perusal of the daily snort emails shows that much of the alerts are generated by a relatively small number of hosts, mostly trying to propagate some sort of MS-SQL worm.

What are people's opinions on setting up fail2ban to drop traffic coming from hosts who send lots of known-bad traffic?

The obvious downside is potential DOS on valid users. How big is this risk and do we care?

Thanks in advance,
-- d

From grahame at angrygoats.net  Mon Feb 20 23:04:42 2012
From: grahame at angrygoats.net (Grahame Bowland)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:04:42 +0800
Subject: [tech] Snort: should we block attacking hosts?
In-Reply-To: <F39019BA-3931-4C9E-AED2-CE98109F7A7A@gmail.com>
References: <F39019BA-3931-4C9E-AED2-CE98109F7A7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADg2TKSa8xgipu_JaV1m4Dsz62v0vKX_W=RVLdR=Gv=n8zxOsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey

Do you care about MS-SQL attacks? Seems like it's probably wasted effort.

On 20 February 2012 22:59, Daniel Axtens <danielax at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> Perusal of the daily snort emails shows that much of the alerts are
> generated by a relatively small number of hosts, mostly trying to propagate
> some sort of MS-SQL worm.
>
> What are people's opinions on setting up fail2ban to drop traffic coming
> from hosts who send lots of known-bad traffic?
>
> The obvious downside is potential DOS on valid users. How big is this risk
> and do we care?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -- d
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From maset at ucc.asn.au  Tue Feb 21 00:16:28 2012
From: maset at ucc.asn.au (Anil Sharma)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:16:28 +0800
Subject: [tech] Snort: should we block attacking hosts?
In-Reply-To: <CADg2TKSa8xgipu_JaV1m4Dsz62v0vKX_W=RVLdR=Gv=n8zxOsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F39019BA-3931-4C9E-AED2-CE98109F7A7A@gmail.com>
	<CADg2TKSa8xgipu_JaV1m4Dsz62v0vKX_W=RVLdR=Gv=n8zxOsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJUJhpYvxBpDmFiPZgwxEZ4E=VS_DK4KTCU2KLuaDiBtjHBc0A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not a computer scientist, but ...

If blocking these hosts is trivial to automate, I'm all for it. It
means we also block attacks coming from them that we can't detect.

On 20 February 2012 23:04, Grahame Bowland <grahame at angrygoats.net> wrote:
> Hey
>
> Do you care about MS-SQL attacks??Seems like it's probably wasted effort.
>
> On 20 February 2012 22:59, Daniel Axtens <danielax at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> Perusal of the daily snort emails shows that much of the alerts are
>> generated by a relatively small number of hosts, mostly trying to propagate
>> some sort of MS-SQL worm.
>>
>> What are people's opinions on setting up fail2ban to drop traffic coming
>> from hosts who send lots of known-bad traffic?
>>
>> The obvious downside is potential DOS on valid users. How big is this risk
>> and do we care?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> -- d
>
>

From matt at ucc.asn.au  Tue Feb 21 09:47:02 2012
From: matt at ucc.asn.au (Matt Johnston)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:47:02 +0800
Subject: [tech] Snort: should we block attacking hosts?
In-Reply-To: <CAJUJhpYvxBpDmFiPZgwxEZ4E=VS_DK4KTCU2KLuaDiBtjHBc0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F39019BA-3931-4C9E-AED2-CE98109F7A7A@gmail.com>
	<CADg2TKSa8xgipu_JaV1m4Dsz62v0vKX_W=RVLdR=Gv=n8zxOsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJUJhpYvxBpDmFiPZgwxEZ4E=VS_DK4KTCU2KLuaDiBtjHBc0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120221014702.GA15784@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

Isn't all that rubbish already firewalled though?

Matt

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:16:28AM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote:
> I'm not a computer scientist, but ...
> 
> If blocking these hosts is trivial to automate, I'm all for it. It
> means we also block attacks coming from them that we can't detect.
> 
> On 20 February 2012 23:04, Grahame Bowland <grahame at angrygoats.net> wrote:
> > Hey
> >
> > Do you care about MS-SQL attacks??Seems like it's probably wasted effort.
> >
> > On 20 February 2012 22:59, Daniel Axtens <danielax at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Greetings!
> >>
> >> Perusal of the daily snort emails shows that much of the alerts are
> >> generated by a relatively small number of hosts, mostly trying to propagate
> >> some sort of MS-SQL worm.
> >>
> >> What are people's opinions on setting up fail2ban to drop traffic coming
> >> from hosts who send lots of known-bad traffic?
> >>
> >> The obvious downside is potential DOS on valid users. How big is this risk
> >> and do we care?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> -- d
> >
> >

From matt at ucc.asn.au  Tue Feb 21 20:53:52 2012
From: matt at ucc.asn.au (Matt Johnston)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:53:52 +0800
Subject: [tech] Snort Testing
In-Reply-To: <2B9E690A-EC1E-44B6-A011-46C369610B8E@gmail.com>
References: <2B9E690A-EC1E-44B6-A011-46C369610B8E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120221125352.GC15784@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:23:24AM +0800, Daniel Axtens wrote:
> I have enabled snort on a much wider range of IP addresses - colo boxes, vms and clubroom machines.
> 
> Let me know if this breaks anything.

Snort stopped running for some reason this arvo, so anything
matched by the NFQUEUE iptables rule is being dropped.

$IPTABLES -A FROMOUTSIDE -m iprange --dst-range 130.95.13.66-130.95.13.119 ! -s 130.95.3.81 -j NFQUEUE
$IPTABLES -A FROMOUTSIDE -m iprange --src-range 130.95.13.66-130.95.13.119 -j NFQUEUE

I've deleted those two rules for the time being, they're
still in ucc-fw.

Matt

From danielax at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 21:53:44 2012
From: danielax at gmail.com (Daniel Axtens)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:53:44 +0800
Subject: [tech] Snort Testing
In-Reply-To: <20120221125352.GC15784@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
References: <2B9E690A-EC1E-44B6-A011-46C369610B8E@gmail.com>
	<20120221125352.GC15784@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <77B8BF8F-517F-4F04-8797-40B3E70B48FB@gmail.com>

Ah, I broke it to switch to postgres, but I naively thought that if NFQUEUE failed the packets would continue merrily onwards to their destination.

Thanks for fixing that.

Apologies to all.

-- d

On 21/02/2012, at 8:53 PM, Matt Johnston wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:23:24AM +0800, Daniel Axtens wrote:
>> I have enabled snort on a much wider range of IP addresses - colo boxes, vms and clubroom machines.
>> 
>> Let me know if this breaks anything.
> 
> Snort stopped running for some reason this arvo, so anything
> matched by the NFQUEUE iptables rule is being dropped.
> 
> $IPTABLES -A FROMOUTSIDE -m iprange --dst-range 130.95.13.66-130.95.13.119 ! -s 130.95.3.81 -j NFQUEUE
> $IPTABLES -A FROMOUTSIDE -m iprange --src-range 130.95.13.66-130.95.13.119 -j NFQUEUE
> 
> I've deleted those two rules for the time being, they're
> still in ucc-fw.
> 
> Matt


From dja at ucc.asn.au  Wed Feb 22 00:15:47 2012
From: dja at ucc.asn.au (Daniel Axtens)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:15:47 +0800
Subject: [tech] Snort Testing
In-Reply-To: <77B8BF8F-517F-4F04-8797-40B3E70B48FB@gmail.com>
References: <2B9E690A-EC1E-44B6-A011-46C369610B8E@gmail.com>
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> Ah, I broke it to switch to postgres, but I naively thought that if NFQUEUE failed the packets would continue merrily onwards to their destination.

This has now been fixed and we're now logging to the snort database in postgres on mussel, as well as the standard logfiles (I think - the db works, not sure about logfiles).

Unfortunately even this is not a fantastic solution:
murasoi snort[15993]: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
murasoi snort[15993]: !! WARNING: The database output plugins are considered deprecated as
murasoi snort[15993]: !!          of Snort 2.9.2 and will be removed in Snort 2.9.3.
murasoi snort[15993]: !!          The recommended approach to logging is to use unified2 with
murasoi snort[15993]: !!          barnyard2 or similar.
murasoi snort[15993]: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems the proper solution is a program called barnyard[2], which is conveniently not packaged in debian.

Will deal with this later.

[DJA]

From dja at ucc.asn.au  Sat Feb 25 15:08:29 2012
From: dja at ucc.asn.au (Daniel Axtens)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:08:29 +0800
Subject: [tech] Snort: should we block attacking hosts?
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No, it's been commented out:

# Stop MS SQL server worms (why? disabling this rule for now - [law])
#$IPTABLES -A FROMOUTSIDE -p tcp --dport 1433 -j DROP
#$IP6TABLES -A FROMOUTSIDE -p tcp --dport 1433 -j DROP

-- d

On 21/02/2012, at 9:47 AM, Matt Johnston wrote:

> Isn't all that rubbish already firewalled though?
> 
> Matt
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:16:28AM +0800, Anil Sharma wrote:
>> I'm not a computer scientist, but ...
>> 
>> If blocking these hosts is trivial to automate, I'm all for it. It
>> means we also block attacks coming from them that we can't detect.
>> 
>> On 20 February 2012 23:04, Grahame Bowland <grahame at angrygoats.net> wrote:
>>> Hey
>>> 
>>> Do you care about MS-SQL attacks? Seems like it's probably wasted effort.
>>> 
>>> On 20 February 2012 22:59, Daniel Axtens <danielax at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings!
>>>> 
>>>> Perusal of the daily snort emails shows that much of the alerts are
>>>> generated by a relatively small number of hosts, mostly trying to propagate
>>>> some sort of MS-SQL worm.
>>>> 
>>>> What are people's opinions on setting up fail2ban to drop traffic coming
>>>> from hosts who send lots of known-bad traffic?
>>>> 
>>>> The obvious downside is potential DOS on valid users. How big is this risk
>>>> and do we care?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> -- d
>>> 
>>> 


From matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au  Tue Feb 28 09:42:45 2012
From: matches at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Sam Moore)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:42:45 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [tech] New desktop (Cabellera)
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Hi all,

The "humpback replacement" has been named cabellera.
It should be running debian squeeze. Apparently it is now working. The 
hardware is in previous emails; it is an AMD build.

Thanks to [CJS], [DAA], [BOB], [MRD], [SLX] and [TPG] for help with 
setting up the machine, and apologies for the delay.

[SZM]