<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Also, there is no reason we can’t have both member-made and industry standard solutions running at the same time. That’s how new solutions come about :)</div><div dir="ltr">E.g. dropbear</div><div dir="ltr">(Or on a tiny scale my weather chart I wrote many years ago that i still find useful <a href="http://susie.ucc.asn.au/weather/">http://susie.ucc.asn.au/weather/</a> )</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 19 Mar 2019, at 3:52 pm, Melissa Star <<a href="mailto:melissa@netexperts.com.au">melissa@netexperts.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Hi James,</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am explicitly going to leave this for someone else to set up, my </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>recommendation is a new VM, (although you could do a container) since it </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>requires PHP 7.1.3 at a minimum.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Isn't UCC a do-ocracy?</span><br><span></span><br><span>I'm sure there are more standard ways, for example, to dispense drinks or maintain club membership records.</span><br><span></span><br><span>And we could be using Microsoft Word or even OpenOffice to take minutes and SharePoint or perhaps OwnCloud to maintain records.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Except we don't. From what I've seen so far, where possible we use solutions made by UCC members, even if they are not technically superior, because they are ours.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Leaving aside the fact that:</span><br><span></span><br><span>* You turned away from me and left me out of the decision making process that came out of my idea.</span><br><span></span><br><span>* You suggested running system management tools in a VM because that would involve install PHP 7.x on the machine, and we've got stuff running on 5.x (note not all machines at UCC are VM hosts).</span><br><span></span><br><span>* You don't mind us running PHP 5.x with all the resulting security risks</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Regards,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Melissa</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, Andrew Williams wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 2019-03-18 9:58 PM, David Adam wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, Melissa Star wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I just realised - if you have smartmontools installed on linux machines,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>each hard drive or SSD will provide its “Airflow Temperature”, which I</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>can extract via script.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm thinking of centralising this for all the servers I run, and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>collecting the data to chart, having a display at home that gives me</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>live info for all machines under my control.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We used to do this on all the servers, but I think evil is the only one</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>still running:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Rather than rolling your own temperature monitoring scripts and code to </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>display them, I highly recommend installing Nagios/Icinga or equivalent. </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>That will monitor network services (web, database, NTP, SSH, etc), host </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>state, disk space, rack and internal temperatures, voltages, fan speeds, </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>etc, on tens or hundreds of machines.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Here's the Icinga2 setup for the MWA telescope - it's using a mix of </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>built-in and third-party plugins for the sort of things you'd see in a </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>normal server room, plus custom plugins to monitor the actual telescope </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>hardware and software health.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://icinga.mwa128t.org/icingaweb2/monitoring/list/hostgroups">http://icinga.mwa128t.org/icingaweb2/monitoring/list/hostgroups</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(username 'guest', password 'mwa-guest')</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The performance data (raw values from every sensor or measurement) is </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>automatically piped from icinga to a Whisper/Carbon backend, and we use </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Graphite to view the time series plots:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://graphite.mwa128t.org/dashboard">http://graphite.mwa128t.org/dashboard</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You can either go to Dashboard/Finder and choose one of our pre-saved </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>plot layouts (please don't change them, or save new ones), or drill down </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>through the monitoring point tree using the top half of the page </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(starting with icinga2. then going down through a hostname, then a </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>service on that host, until you reach a ....value leaf node, and add a </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>graph showing that value to the dashboard). I usually prefer to use the </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tree interface instead - go to Dashboard/Configure UI, then choose 'Tree </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(left nav)'.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Andrew</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>List Archives: <a href="http://lists.ucc.asn.au/pipermail/tech">http://lists.ucc.asn.au/pipermail/tech</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Unsubscribe here: <a href="https://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/options/tech/trs80%40ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au">https://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/options/tech/trs80%40ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-- </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span># TRS-80 trs80(a)<a href="http://ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au">ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a> #/ "Otherwise Bub here will do \</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span># UCC Wheel Member <a href="http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/">http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/</a> #| what squirrels do best |</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[ "There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your |</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[ software that I know of" -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts." -- Acid Reflux #231 /</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>List Archives: <a href="http://lists.ucc.asn.au/pipermail/tech">http://lists.ucc.asn.au/pipermail/tech</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Unsubscribe here: <a href="https://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/options/tech/susie%40ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au">https://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/options/tech/susie%40ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a></span></div></blockquote></body></html>