From bernard@blackham.com.au Mon Sep 1 22:19:22 2003 From: bernard@blackham.com.au (Bernard Blackham) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 06:19:22 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Re: Netway "Wizards" (was: Re: [plug] D-Link DSL200 Linx support) In-Reply-To: <20030901125037.GB8780@erdos.home> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030901091057.023a88d0@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <20030901125037.GB8780@erdos.home> Message-ID: <20030901221922.GA10153@amidala> On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 08:50:37PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > Okay, so this is probably OT-ish for this list (apologies to those not > interested or who already know) but here goes: Ditto :) > A number of people have got Linux on it. They come preinstalled with a > messed-up copy of an antique version of Red Hat; if (like me) you'd much > rather spend a few minutes messing with software than rip out the hard > drive [1] and install stuff using another machine, you can take > advantage of the RH installation like so: Just FYI, this is what I'm currently doing for a woody install: - boot them up into RH6.2, download an etherboot image[1] - cat it > /dev/hda - reboot with your pre-prepared dhcp & tftpserver serving a debian install image[2] - use the rescue console to repartition and format the drive - wget & untar a debian skeleton system onto the drive[3] - edit lilo.conf, fstab, and hostname - run lilo - reboot :) These steps might take some practice to get right, but if anybody can find me in UCC during the day I'm happy to do them :) > [1] The hard drive in my Wizards were held in with Allan key screws; a > friend of mine got his with normal Phillips heads, so perhaps I was just > lucky (-: I've been carrying one round in my pocket lately - they've come in very handy :) I'm working on making a fully netbootable X-terminal[4], similar to LTSP, but without the need for an NFS server - X server et al is all contained within the initrd. It's currently using the VESA server, because nothing else has yet worked, but I realised I have one more driver to try (X SVGA 3.3.1 linked against libc5 is claimed to work... :) Followups on the wizard list, cc'd (apologies for the cross-post :) Regards, Bernard. [1] http://dagobah.ucc.asn.au/wizard/netboot/etherboot.rom [2] http://dagobah.ucc.asn.au/wizard/debinstall.img [3] http://davidb.ucc.asn.au/wizard/wizard.tgz prepared by DavidB. [4] http://dagobah.ucc.asn.au/wizard/xterm/ -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au From patrick@carey.wa.edu.au Tue Sep 2 00:01:26 2003 From: patrick@carey.wa.edu.au (Patrick Tehvand) Date: 02 Sep 2003 08:01:26 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Re: Netway "Wizards" (was: Re: [plug] D-Link DSL200 Linx support) In-Reply-To: <20030901221922.GA10153@amidala> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030901091057.023a88d0@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> <20030901125037.GB8780@erdos.home> <20030901221922.GA10153@amidala> Message-ID: <1062460886.11138.25.camel@support.carey.wa.edu.au> ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 06:19, Bernard Blackham wrote: > Just FYI, this is what I'm currently doing for a woody install: >=20 > - boot them up into RH6.2, download an etherboot image[1] > - cat it > /dev/hda > - reboot with your pre-prepared dhcp & tftpserver serving a debian > install image[2] > - use the rescue console to repartition and format the drive > - wget & untar a debian skeleton system onto the drive[3] > - edit lilo.conf, fstab, and hostname > - run lilo > - reboot :) >=20 > These steps might take some practice to get right, but if anybody > can find me in UCC during the day I'm happy to do them :) >=20 > > [1] The hard drive in my Wizards were held in with Allan key screws; a > > friend of mine got his with normal Phillips heads, so perhaps I was jus= t > > lucky (-: >=20 > I've been carrying one round in my pocket lately - they've come in > very handy :) >=20 > I'm working on making a fully netbootable X-terminal[4], similar to > LTSP, but without the need for an NFS server - X server et al is all > contained within the initrd. It's currently using the VESA server, > because nothing else has yet worked, but I realised I have one more > driver to try (X SVGA 3.3.1 linked against libc5 is claimed to work... :) >=20 > Followups on the wizard list, cc'd (apologies for the cross-post :)=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Bernard. Hey Bernard, This sounds like an ideal "web terminal" box for use in a library at a school. I'd love to see it in action when it is all up and running (?plug talk). cheers Patrick >=20 > [1] http://dagobah.ucc.asn.au/wizard/netboot/etherboot.rom > [2] http://dagobah.ucc.asn.au/wizard/debinstall.img > [3] http://davidb.ucc.asn.au/wizard/wizard.tgz prepared by DavidB. > [4] http://dagobah.ucc.asn.au/wizard/xterm/ --=20 Patrick Tehvand IT Department, Carey Baptist College http://www.carey.wa.edu.au Member - Society of Linux Professionals (WA)=20 support running 2.4.20-8 kernel on Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike). 07:59:53 up 3 days, 15:24, 5 users, load average: 0.20, 0.23, 0.19 ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/wizard/attachments/20030902/954091f9/attachment.bin ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment-- From cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au Tue Sep 2 06:51:22 2003 From: cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au (Cameron Patrick) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:51:22 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Re: Netway "Wizards" (was: Re: [plug] D-Link DSL200 Linx support) In-Reply-To: <20030901221922.GA10153@amidala> References: <20030901125037.GB8780@erdos.home> <20030901221922.GA10153@amidala> Message-ID: <20030902065122.GD8780@erdos.home> On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 06:19:22AM +0800, Bernard Blackham wrote: | I'm working on making a fully netbootable X-terminal[4], similar to | LTSP, but without the need for an NFS server - X server et al is all | contained within the initrd. Hmm... I'm curious as to why you're considering the lack of NFS server to be such an advantage on a netbooting terminal - compared to setting up DHCP, TFTP and KDM, NFS is downright trivial to get working. Screwing around with an initrd is also messier than screwing around with a bunch of ordinary files on an NFS server. Plus it takes up more RAM to use an initrd. ... unless you're planning on doing away with the netbooting entirely once you've got it booting off flash? | It's currently using the VESA server, because nothing else has yet | worked, but I realised I have one more driver to try (X SVGA 3.3.1 | linked against libc5 is claimed to work... :) If you're talking about the binary on the driver CD, I tried it and it didn't work. Plus it didn't even recognise ImPS/2 wheelie mice either so it would have been a bit of a nuisance even if it did work :( I also tried X 3.3.2.3 linked against libc6 from Debian "hamm" and it didn't recognise the card at all (wanted to use 320x200 mode, blech!) Cameron. From denglish@westnet.com.au Tue Sep 2 12:23:38 2003 From: denglish@westnet.com.au (David English) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:23:38 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Re: Netway "Wizards" In-Reply-To: <20030902065122.GD8780@erdos.home> References: <20030901125037.GB8780@erdos.home> <20030901221922.GA10153@amidala> <20030902065122.GD8780@erdos.home> Message-ID: <3F548BCA.5060507@westnet.com.au> Just thought I'd clear up what I found with regards X in linux. the X4 support is very basic (8bpp only, etc.) The X 3.x svga server on the cd also only supports 8 bit colour. To get this working you can "apt-get install libc5" then grab the X binaries from ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/3.3.6/binaries/Linux-ix86-glibc21 , save all the files to /usr/X11R6/ then extract them all (tar -zxvf *.tgz), then run xf86config to build a /etc/XF86Config . Now, if instead you want to actually use X 3.3.6, grab the svga server from the Servers sub directory, and extract that also. With this server you *can* get 16bit colour working, but so far I haven't managed to do it with the resolution the same as the virtual screen. A 1024x768 virtual screen will work for 640x480 and 800x600, but not 1024x768 mode itself, for example. Looks like it isn't correctly calculating the width of the display in bytes when display mode and virtual screen are similar ? Quite interesting to note that even at 16bit colour, an xterm running under 3.3.6 is actually *faster* than the mediagx software emulated text mode (the graphics chip does not have a hardware text mode). All the xfree86.org docs recommend you use X 3.3.1 with this chipset, but I don't have a copy of X 3.3.1, or even know where to find it. Anyone able to help? (just the 3.3.1 svga binary will do) I had trouble getting my USB mouse working (spits out errors from kernel the moment I plug it in), old serial mouse worked nicely though - remember to use /dev/ttyS0, not /dev/tty0 as xf86config suggests for anyone doing this. >| It's currently using the VESA server, because nothing else has yet >| worked, but I realised I have one more driver to try (X SVGA 3.3.1 >| linked against libc5 is claimed to work... :) > >If you're talking about the binary on the driver CD, I tried it and it >didn't work. Plus it didn't even recognise ImPS/2 wheelie mice either >so it would have been a bit of a nuisance even if it did work :( I also >tried X 3.3.2.3 linked against libc6 from Debian "hamm" and it didn't >recognise the card at all (wanted to use 320x200 mode, blech!) > >Cameron. > > > From markevans@iinet.net.au Thu Sep 4 15:47:25 2003 From: markevans@iinet.net.au (Mark Evans) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:47:25 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard boot of USB Message-ID: <20030904154438.1BB46367031@asclepius.uwa.edu.au> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Wondering if anyone has got the Wizard's to boot off a USB memory device: the bios recognises my USB keyboard, but doesn't seem to have any option to change the boot sequence to USB. Anyone flashed the BIOS? Regards Mark ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/wizard/attachments/20030904/74f03104/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From fruchle@globaldial.com Fri Sep 5 16:17:32 2003 From: fruchle@globaldial.com (Mike Fineberg) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 00:17:32 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Heat and Power Message-ID: <200309060017320617.2598D688@mail.arach.net.au> I recently had my Wizard sitting on for about a day or two (just idling, early on I was dumping mp3s onto it), when I opened it... the heat was a bit more than I expected. Has anyone else noted the significant heat build up? (not to dangerous levels, but still painful to touch - it was just idling). I've done some bending of the cables to completely uncover the heatsink/spreader, I'll see how that goes. (unfortunatly, no proper temp. measuring devices are on hand) ---- For those of you with Compaq iPAQs or similar with an car power adapter, these little cigerette lighter adapters are a 10V-30V 1.5A DC to 5V 2A DC. Slightly wrong plug size, but that is fixable. The 8250s are rated at 8 watts (8w/5v=1.6A), the HDD at 0.5A. That gives you a total of 2.1A at peak... it MIGHT be a viable solution to those of you looking for a handy (!=cheap) car adapter. I'm not entirely sure what Nokia phone's take in, I -think- it's 5V DC, but the amperage on their PSUs/car adapters are way too low for our purposes. (~500mA) I am currently looking at some biscuit PC suppliers, I'll make some calls on Monday. [I have seen a PC104 car power transformer/regulator in the PC104 form factor, designed to plug into the PC104 bus - it would sit below/ontop(?) of the 8250. Not sure of cost.] Regards, Michael From cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au Sun Sep 7 06:08:52 2003 From: cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au (Cameron Patrick) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:08:52 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Solid-state wizard HOWTO Message-ID: <20030907060852.GA771@erdos.home> G'day all, Have just managed to get one of my wizards to run with no moving parts and no other hardware modifications (e.g. Disk-on-chip) needed!! :) :) It turns out the Wizard's BIOS is fairly easily modified by a tool called "CBROM"; after inserting an Etherboot image into it, removing the hard drive and rebooting it Just Worked. Files required are at http://cp.yi.org/cameron/wizard/bios/ Procedure: - Get your wizard booting into DOS or the DOS-mode part of Win9x - Download a copy of the bios using awdflash.exe (some command-line option is needed, can't remember which, awdflash /? should tell you) - Copy the bios to a new name (e.g. ether.rom) so you have a copy of the original just in case. - Use cbrom to insert the Etherboot rom into the bios, e.g.: cbrom215 ether.rom /pci eb52-rtl.rom - Use awdflash with no command-line arguments to flash the new BIOS image (ether.rom) - Power down the wizard and remove the HD and it will boot from LAN. (Maybe simply telling the bios that no drive is present will work too, though I haven't tried this.) Possibly the above is obvious to some of you or you've done it before, but I thought it may be of general interest. Cheers, Cameron. From fruchle@globaldial.com Sun Sep 7 22:30:06 2003 From: fruchle@globaldial.com (Mike Fineberg) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 06:30:06 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] PSUs References: <200309080612140153.312A4986@mail.arach.net.au> Message-ID: <200309080630060184.313AA526@mail.arach.net.au> If anyone is interested for more information on the PSUs that come with the Wizards: A quick search on Google revealed this: http://www.amtex.com.au/power_pdf/SSL20-40.pdf (And Google PDF->HTML'd) http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:oedBqDGlZRYJ:www.amtex.com.au/power_pdf/SSL20-40.pdf+amtex+ssl20&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet Interestingly wide range of input: 90V -> 264V AC [slightly wider than on the package], 47Hz -> 440Hz (concert 'A' ;-) Power specs: 5V, 4.0A, peak: 4.5A, Output power: 20W --- I've nearly finished my car-mp3 player... All that remains is a 12V-5V PSU and drilling holes for the audio sockets. I'm running DOS7.x/4DOS and MPX Player 1.48w. 128kbps MP3s show ~50%-60% CPU usage, with 56kbps ~25%-29%. I have the audio-out hooked up to a small 'soundfeeder' FM transmitter currently taped to the outside of the box for linking with my car's absolutely pathetic stereo. I currently have 9 dos based mp3 player programs, and have narrowed my selection down to two - MPX and XTC-Player. XTC is a little prettier, but MPX is more command-line configurable. No drivers or anything are required to get this box going. A cut down version of this setup would be ~400kb for the player, ~50kb for the OS. (really just command.com) I have it setup to use a boot menu with a 5 sec delay to go to automatic play. In under 30 seconds from plugging the power cable in, it will start playing from where I left it last time... a little more tweaking and I'll be happy. --- Follow up note: I've tested my iPAQ's wall socket PSU (a Phihong plugpack PSU [100-240V -> +5V 2A (max total output 10W)] with the Wizard, and it didn't break under the strain of bootup. (I had long ago modded my plugpack with a 2.5mm DC plug (the same as the wizard uses) so I could use a homemade 4xAA battery pack as a battery extender for my iPAQ). Regards, Michael From jontom@iinet.net.au Mon Sep 8 09:59:05 2003 From: jontom@iinet.net.au (Ed) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:59:05 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Problems with start up Message-ID: <001601c375ef$db251560$055b3bcb@ed> Hi guys, I'm a bit new to all this - just got a couple of wizards today and am rather impressed so far. Had a quick read through the archives and it seems like there is a fair bit going on. Has anyone found problems getting them to start up? One of the boxes I bought needed the CMOS erased and all waas OK but the other wont let me access BIOS at all. I think that the memory is damaged as it doesn't count up to 32Mb - seems to stop somewhere in the 20M range. Anyone seen this before or are there some simple solutions I can try? Cheers Ed From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Tue Sep 9 13:14:37 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:14:37 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] 3 new wizards - won't detect HDDs Message-ID: <3F5DD23D.70904@postnewspapers.com.au> Hi folks I was wondering if anybody else has run into this issue with the Wizard boxes: the 3 I have won't detect the HDDs. When I bought them, the guy removed the hideous one-way screws, reset the BIOS, etc, but I didn't think to ask that he boot-test them. Got them home, plugged them in, and none would work - it just reports 'None' when detecting the primary master. A quick look inside suggested that he'd placed the ATA cable backwards, at least according to the manual. Flipping it caused it to go from taking a while (4s?) to report 'None' on the disk interfaces to taking about 1/2 a second, but it still won't find the disk. The disk in the main one I've been testing works fine in my laptop, and my laptop disk shows the same problem when placed in the Wizard box. It's not the disks, then. Setting the disk mode manually (to "User,Auto" , "User,LBA") causes a "primary disk fail" error, as does setting it to CHS mode with the correct settings as printed on the drive. I'll be bugging the Netway guys tomorrow, but I thought I'd ask to see if anybody here had any ideas. Craig From lists@sullust.net Tue Sep 9 14:03:06 2003 From: lists@sullust.net (Andrew Francis) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:03:06 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] 3 new wizards - won't detect HDDs In-Reply-To: <3F5DD23D.70904@postnewspapers.com.au> References: <3F5DD23D.70904@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <20030909140306.GA14615@thump.bur.st> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:14:37PM +0800, Craig Ringer wrote: > I was wondering if anybody else has run into this issue with the Wizard > boxes: the 3 I have won't detect the HDDs. > > The disk in the main one I've been testing works fine in my laptop, and > my laptop disk shows the same problem when placed in the Wizard box. > It's not the disks, then. I bought a Wizard last week and had the exact same problems. The disk had trouble spinning up, and the few times it did come up it would soon die again (sometimes quietly, sometimes with horrible clicks of death). I took it back to Netway and it worked fine with their power supply. Seems that the power supply (which I hadn't brought along, grr) is dodgy and not supplying the HDD with enough juice. -- Andrew Francis | To email me, get | ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Perth, Australia | the real address | against HTML email X http://www.sullust.net/ | from my homepage | http://arc.pasp.de/ / \ From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Tue Sep 9 15:28:41 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:28:41 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] 3 new wizards - won't detect HDDs In-Reply-To: <20030909140306.GA14615@thump.bur.st> References: <3F5DD23D.70904@postnewspapers.com.au> <20030909140306.GA14615@thump.bur.st> Message-ID: <3F5DF1A9.80800@postnewspapers.com.au> > I bought a Wizard last week and had the exact same problems. The disk > had trouble spinning up, and the few times it did come up it would > soon die again (sometimes quietly, sometimes with horrible clicks of > death). > > I took it back to Netway and it worked fine with their power supply. > Seems that the power supply (which I hadn't brought along, grr) is > dodgy and not supplying the HDD with enough juice. Thanks for the tip. I tried different HDDs etc, but didn't think that I was testing all 3 on ONE POWER ADAPTER. *sigh*. Sure enough, swapping to a different power adapeter did the trick - straight into an ugly RH6.2 I go. I'm testing the others now, but at least I know what's going on. Looking good so far. Craig From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Wed Sep 10 17:03:15 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:03:15 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] recovering corrupt Wizard BIOS Message-ID: <3F5F5953.2030403@postnewspapers.com.au> Hi folks I'm yet to test this, but for those interested you should be able to recover a corrupt Wizard BIOS using the procedures detailed in this article: http://www.drd.dyndns.org/howto/BIOS-Recovery.pdf Why did I go and find this? Well, it turns out that modifying the BIOS from an etherbooted DOS image is /not/ the same as modifying it from a native DOS floppy :-( . Well, that or something else went wrong - either way, one of my Wizards doesn't POST or init video anymore. Should be easy to fix - grab the BIOS off my other Wizard, or that of one of my housemates and use a bootable DOS floppy to restore the BIOS. It'll have to wait 'till I can get a compatable floppy cable, though. I'm planning on posting a BIOS recovery disk image and an etherboot BIOS mod disk image (assuming I get that going on mine) at http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/~craig/wizard/, username 'wizard' with password 'bios' (so I'm not distributing it to the world, only people who have them already). I'll let you know when they're up there - It'll have to wait 'till I have a floppy drive cable adapter. BTW, did anybody end up asking when Netway were getting in the various cables and such for these? I'm planning on picking up some audio headers for these boxes, plus a couple of floppy adapters, a 2 1/2" to 3 1/2" ATA cable and a 3 1/2" to 2 1/2" ATA cable. I'll be seriously considering at least one serial irDA port, too. Craig Ringer From markevans@iinet.net.au Wed Sep 10 23:45:25 2003 From: markevans@iinet.net.au (Mark Evans) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:45:25 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] RE: Wizard Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200309101703.h8AH3TYq008144@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030910235340.F3A053676C9@asclepius.uwa.edu.au> Hi all, I don't know if Netway are getting or have got suitable leads but this Sydney company might be of interest. They sell a cable to connect a laptop drive and a standard IDE device to the Wizard. They are quite expensive though. http://www.unitechelectronics.com/idecables.htm (I have no affiliation with this company) Mark Evans From robsta@tpg.com.au Thu Sep 11 08:55:37 2003 From: robsta@tpg.com.au (Rob Morgan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:55:37 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard References: <200309101703.h8AH3TYq008144@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <000901c37842$78cc3790$0200a8c0@momentum.net> I interested in purchasing a Wizard, I hear Netway Computers sell them for $150, but a mate told me they are running out of stock. Is there anybody else in Perth, thats is selling them and how much are they? p.s is netway getting any more? From harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au Thu Sep 11 09:22:09 2003 From: harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:22:09 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard In-Reply-To: <000901c37842$78cc3790$0200a8c0@momentum.net> References: <200309101703.h8AH3TYq008144@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <000901c37842$78cc3790$0200a8c0@momentum.net> Message-ID: <20030911172209.513f0667.harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:55:37 +0800 "Rob Morgan" wrote: > I interested in purchasing a Wizard, I hear Netway Computers sell them for > $150, but a mate told me they are running out of stock. Is there anybody > else in Perth, thats is selling them and how much are they? Hi Rob As much as I know, Netway bought (or offered to dispose of) the Wizards as a job lot, I heard 1000 units but don't quote me. They've been selling them for a while and the sales rose exponentially when Nick of the Bannon clan and another (who we'll call Bernard cos that's his name) turned up at a PLUG workshop with theirs :) > p.s is netway getting any more? How long was that piece of string again? Praps Netway are the ones to ask and get back to the list with the good oil :) At this stage the motto of the day (MOTD) might be Get One While They Last. cu Harry -- linux.conf.au 2004 The Australian Linux Technical Conference http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ 12-17 January 2004, Adelaide, South Australia Are you a computer angel? http://www.computerangels.org.au/ From marena@student.ecu.edu.au Thu Sep 11 09:15:24 2003 From: marena@student.ecu.edu.au (Mark Arena) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:15:24 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard References: <200309101703.h8AH3TYq008144@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <000901c37842$78cc3790$0200a8c0@momentum.net> Message-ID: <000801c37845$3c570bc0$0901a8c0@marena> Hello, I think netway computers in Willetton is the only place that sells them. When I got mine they said once their were out of stock they would be getting no more in. You better hurry if you want to get one. I got mine Wednesday and there were still quite a few left. - Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Morgan" To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:55 PM Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard > I interested in purchasing a Wizard, I hear Netway Computers sell them for > $150, > but a mate told me they are running out of stock. Is there anybody else in > Perth, > thats is selling them and how much are they? > > p.s is netway getting any more? > > > _______________________________________________ > Wizard mailing list > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > > From harrymc@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Thu Sep 11 09:27:17 2003 From: harrymc@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Harry McNally) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:27:17 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard In-Reply-To: <000801c37845$3c570bc0$0901a8c0@marena> References: <200309101703.h8AH3TYq008144@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <000901c37842$78cc3790$0200a8c0@momentum.net> <000801c37845$3c570bc0$0901a8c0@marena> Message-ID: <20030911172717.5ce5addc.harrymc@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:15:24 +0800 "Mark Arena" wrote: > Hello, > > I think netway computers in Willetton is the only place that sells them. > When I got mine they said once their were out of stock they would be getting > no more in. You better hurry if you want to get one. I got mine Wednesday > and there were still quite a few left. This rings true. I got mine from Willieton but it sounded like most people were ducking into Wembley for theirs. So, will the wizard get some UCC web space so ppl can post their pics and stories about their unique pieces of Wizardry ? cu Harry -- linux.conf.au 2004 The Australian Linux Technical Conference http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ 12-17 January 2004, Adelaide, South Australia Are you a computer angel? http://www.computerangels.org.au/ From jontom@iinet.net.au Thu Sep 11 09:21:26 2003 From: jontom@iinet.net.au (Ed) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:21:26 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard In-Reply-To: <000801c37845$3c570bc0$0901a8c0@marena> Message-ID: <000c01c37846$1796d2b0$db713bcb@ed> I got mine Monday and there seemed to be heaps of them - no cables though :( How have people gone about installing a different OS to the one one there. Not being real linux savvy I haven't really worked out how to do it yet. Was going to put isos of RH9 on one partition and add the disk install kernal to lilo so I have the option of booting to this but... A) I don't know how to modify lilo to allow me to do this properly, and B) I don't know how to work out what partition on the existing setup I can use to store the isos. Any help would be great (or maybe a cable to attach a floppy?) Cheers Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: wizard-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > [mailto:wizard-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Mark Arena > Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2003 5:15 PM > To: wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: Re: [Wizard] Finding a wizard > > > Hello, > > I think netway computers in Willetton is the only place that > sells them. > When I got mine they said once their were out of stock they > would be getting > no more in. You better hurry if you want to get one. I got > mine Wednesday > and there were still quite a few left. > > - Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Morgan" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:55 PM > Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard > > > > I interested in purchasing a Wizard, I hear Netway > Computers sell them for > > $150, > > but a mate told me they are running out of stock. Is there > anybody else in > > Perth, > > thats is selling them and how much are they? > > > > p.s is netway getting any more? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wizard mailing list > > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wizard mailing list > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > > > From jontom@iinet.net.au Thu Sep 11 09:22:25 2003 From: jontom@iinet.net.au (Ed) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:22:25 +0800 Subject: FW: [Wizard] Problems with start up Message-ID: <000e01c37846$39da2f70$db713bcb@ed> Sorted it out. Was a badly seated RAM module. Played with it a bit and all is OK now Cheers Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Fineberg [mailto:fruchle@globaldial.com] > Sent: Monday, 8 September 2003 9:22 PM > To: Ed > Subject: Re: [Wizard] Problems with start up > > > no problems for me... > > I'd recommend taking it back / talking to them (Philip > Forbes-Pryer - philip@netwaycomputers.com). > > I'm currently looking at some other embeded systems, 667Mhz, > 300Mhz, dual ethernet... Savage4 video... some nice stuff in > a PC104 form factor... > > - Michael > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 8/09/2003 at 5:59 PM Ed wrote: > > >Hi guys, > > > >I'm a bit new to all this - just got a couple of wizards today and am > >rather impressed so far. Had a quick read through the > archives and it > >seems like there is a fair bit going on. > > > >Has anyone found problems getting them to start up? One of > the boxes I > >bought needed the CMOS erased and all waas OK but the other > wont let me > >access BIOS at all. I think that the memory is damaged as it doesn't > >count up to 32Mb - seems to stop somewhere in the 20M range. > > > >Anyone seen this before or are there some simple solutions I can try? > > > >Cheers > > > >Ed > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wizard mailing list > >Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > >http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > > > > > From jontom@iinet.net.au Thu Sep 11 09:24:35 2003 From: jontom@iinet.net.au (Ed) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:24:35 +0800 Subject: FW: [Wizard] UCC web space Message-ID: <000f01c37846$875dc860$db713bcb@ed> That would be cool. I'd be interested to see what people have done about increasing the number of ethernet ports on them. The PC/104 option just seems way to expensive ($259 ex tax for a 3 port card!!) and USB can be a pain. Cheers Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: wizard-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > [mailto:wizard-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Harry McNally > Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2003 5:27 PM > To: wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: Re: [Wizard] Finding a wizard > > > So, will the wizard get some UCC web space so ppl can post > their pics and > stories about their unique pieces of Wizardry ? > > cu > Harry > > -- > linux.conf.au 2004 The Australian Linux Technical > Conference > http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ 12-17 January 2004, Adelaide, > South Australia > > Are you a computer angel? http://www.computerangels.org.au/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wizard mailing list > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > > > From marena@student.ecu.edu.au Thu Sep 11 09:33:13 2003 From: marena@student.ecu.edu.au (Mark Arena) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:33:13 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard References: <000c01c37846$1796d2b0$db713bcb@ed> Message-ID: <000a01c37847$b940d1f0$0901a8c0@marena> Hello, I got a cable with mine for $15 from Willetton. It allows me to plug the laptop HD into a normal IDE cable so I can plug it into my computer. I'll probally end up doing this on the weekend if I've got home. The install of Redhat 6.2 which comes with the machine is quite annoying with all the missing libraries and compilers and it takes more effort to get everything working than worth it. I'll probally install debian or mandrake (uh-oh) but who knows. Cheers Mark From fruchle@globaldial.com Thu Sep 11 09:53:53 2003 From: fruchle@globaldial.com (Mike Fineberg) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:53:53 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard In-Reply-To: <000901c37842$78cc3790$0200a8c0@momentum.net> References: <200309101703.h8AH3TYq008144@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> <000901c37842$78cc3790$0200a8c0@momentum.net> Message-ID: <200309111753530261.082BB51F@mail.arach.net.au> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/09/2003 at 4:55 PM Rob Morgan wrote: >Is there anybody else in >Perth, thats is selling them and how much are they? I am currently looking at getting suppliers from over east. I'll post when I find out more, but it should give us access to 300Mhz CPUs and 667Mhz VIA ones. With Dual ethernet. On 11/09/2003 at 5:21 PM Ed wrote: >How have people gone about installing a different OS to the one one >there. Not being real linux savvy I haven't really worked out how to do >it yet. Was going to put isos of RH9 on one partition and add the disk >install kernal to lilo so I have the option of booting to this but... >A) I don't know how to modify lilo to allow me to do this properly, and >B) I don't know how to work out what partition on the existing setup I >can use to store the isos. > >Any help would be great (or maybe a cable to attach a floppy?) I've installed Win98SE & DOS on mine. I borrowed a friend's 3.5"->2.5" HDD adapter, plugged it into another computer, fdisk'd, fdisk/mbr'd, formatted, copied the CAB files for Win98SE, copied misc drivers, then installed Windows. (mostly so I could easily use the networking) If you don't have network drivers/cables, etc. It shouldn't be too hard to boot into dos, install LapLink (or one of the better varients) and use a null-modem cable or parallel cable to send the data... On 11/09/2003 at 5:22 PM Harry McNally wrote: >Hi Rob >As much as I know, Netway bought (or offered to dispose of) the Wizards >as a job lot, I heard 1000 units but don't quote me. According to Philip (the main Netway who is handling the Wizards), they did buy 1000 units, and when I bought mine, they had sold 360+ (or was it.. they had sold 600+ hmm...) [this was 2 weeks ago.] On 11/09/2003 at 5:24 PM Ed wrote: >That would be cool. I'd be interested to see what people have done >about increasing the number of ethernet ports on them. The PC/104 >option just seems way to expensive ($259 ex tax for a 3 port card!!) and >USB can be a pain. Most all 'newer' PC104 cards have dual ethernet chips (still Realtek 8139C chips). From schrambo@westnet.com.au Thu Sep 11 10:27:48 2003 From: schrambo@westnet.com.au (Ben Schram) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:27:48 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] whatterver you gotta do just do it :D - cheers Message-ID: <3F604E24.7080601@westnet.com.au> woops forgot to do this when I first signed up hehe. cheers From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Thu Sep 11 12:01:28 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:01:28 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Finding a wizard In-Reply-To: <000a01c37847$b940d1f0$0901a8c0@marena> References: <000c01c37846$1796d2b0$db713bcb@ed> <000a01c37847$b940d1f0$0901a8c0@marena> Message-ID: <3F606418.5000706@postnewspapers.com.au> > I got a cable with mine for $15 from Willetton. It allows me to plug the > laptop HD into a normal IDE cable so I can plug it into my computer. That's definitely the easy way to do it. I didn't initially get such a cable, so I ended up adding an etherboot image to the boot menu in the RH install, netbooting a debian installer, and doing a network debian install ;-) The hard disk cable is easier, and will give you much more luck with more brain-dead OSes that don't like net installs. Most linux variants can then simply be disk-imaged across, or installed by any of the usual profusion of methods. If you wanted to get Win9x on there, you'd want to drop the HDD into a PC with a CDROM, boot the '98 CD, partition the HDD, format it (include DOS system files with "format /S"), and just copy the entire CD contents to the HDD. Remove the HDD, put it in the Wizard, boot the copy of DOS on the HDD and use that to install Win98. A similar procedure probably applies for other Windows variants, but if you wanted an NTFS filesystem you'd be looking at further complexity (read: don't ask me, I don't care). Another way would be to modify a 44-to-40-pin adapter so that you could use it in the Wizard's ATA socket, then you could power the HDD (via another adapter) and a CDROM from another PC's PSU while installing. This is how Brett at Netway Wembley did it, but wouldn't by my chosen method unless I wanted to get Win2k/XP on there. A final method would be to get a floppy disk cable, and use that to install or fire up etherboot. This makes life easier if an initial netboot install fails somehow. It'll be 2 weeks before Netway has the floppy cables in :-( so I'll be making do with a HDD adapter in the mean time. Craig Ringer From bowden@iinet.net.au Thu Sep 11 14:53:20 2003 From: bowden@iinet.net.au (Tim Bowden) Date: 11 Sep 2003 22:53:20 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] test Message-ID: <1063291999.2082.2.camel@dingo.home> Test. Please ignore. -- Tim Bowden From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Fri Sep 12 12:36:50 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:36:50 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] power issues Message-ID: <3F61BDE2.7040607@postnewspapers.com.au> Hi folks Having noticed a few people talking of turning these Netway wizards into firewalls etc by way of additional ethernet ports, I thought I'd point out a potential issue. There are indications that the PSUs they come with are barely adequate for the draw of the machines in their standard configuration. In particular, they apparently go flakey when you add a larger, 7200rpm hard disk, or much above 128mb of RAM (despite the board being rated for 512mb). This might be worth keeping in mind for upgrade plans. I wouldn't be surprised if a more capable 5V power adapter could be used to fix the issue, but I don't know the details of how much current the motherboard can handle, so the limitation might not be the power adapter or not entirely so. Anyway, just some thoughts for the archvies as much as anything. Craig Ringer From fruchle@globaldial.com Fri Sep 12 15:49:08 2003 From: fruchle@globaldial.com (Mike Fineberg) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:49:08 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] power issues & Driver help? In-Reply-To: <3F61BDE2.7040607@postnewspapers.com.au> References: <3F61BDE2.7040607@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <200309122349080929.0E975172@mail.arach.net.au> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 12/09/2003 at 8:36 PM Craig Ringer wrote: >There are indications that the PSUs they come with are barely adequate >for the draw of the machines in their standard configuration. I really don't think so. They should be drawing 2.1A, with the PSU's capable of 4A. I think it's just some flakey PSUs... >In particular, they apparently go flakey when you add a larger, 7200rpm >hard disk Ahh, yes, that might do it :-) a 500mA 4,200rpm HDD vs. a (sorry not sure what amperage) 7,200rpm drive... [an old 5,400rpm drive of mine is 0.62A, but I'm not sure how that compares to modern drives] >or much above 128mb of RAM (despite the board being rated for >512mb). I thought it was only rated to 128MB... "2.6.1 Introduction You can install anywhere from 16 MB to 128 MB of on-board DRAM memory using 16, 32, 64 or 128 MB 144-pin SODIMMs (Small Outline Dual In-line Memory Modules)." >This might be worth keeping in mind for upgrade plans. I wouldn't be >surprised if a more capable 5V power adapter could be used to fix the >issue, but I don't know the details of how much current the motherboard >can handle, so the limitation might not be the power adapter or not >entirely so. This was interesting: "• Power consumption (typical) : - +5 V @ 3.0 A with GXM-233, 64 MB SODIMM and 40 MB CFC (PCM-5820) - +5 V @ 1.9 A with GXM-233, 64 MB SODIMM and 40 MB CFC (PCM-5820 Rev. A104 or higher" Can someone confirm what revision board we are using? (note that their Amp usage would be [slightly] higher with the inclusion of the compact flash card...) ================ Has anyone (if not, could someone) upload(ed) the Win311 network drivers from the CD? "D:\5820\Ethernet.100\wfw311" (I'd like to nab them, if possible) - Michael From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Fri Sep 12 18:37:27 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 02:37:27 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] power issues & Driver help? In-Reply-To: <200309122349080929.0E975172@mail.arach.net.au> References: <3F61BDE2.7040607@postnewspapers.com.au> <200309122349080929.0E975172@mail.arach.net.au> Message-ID: <3F621267.5010402@postnewspapers.com.au> >>There are indications that the PSUs they come with are barely adequate >>for the draw of the machines in their standard configuration. > > I really don't think so. They should be drawing 2.1A, with the PSU's capable of 4A. I think it's just some flakey PSUs... That's my point, really. A fair number of people have got dud PSUs according the the netway guys - often working, but not providing enough power to spin up the HDD (this happened on one of mine). It strikes me as likely that the general quality of the PSUs may be quite low, and as such the rest might not be up to their real rated output. >>or much above 128mb of RAM (despite the board being rated for >>512mb). > > I thought it was only rated to 128MB... > > "2.6.1 Introduction > You can install anywhere from 16 MB to 128 MB of on-board > DRAM memory using 16, 32, 64 or 128 MB 144-pin SODIMMs > (Small Outline Dual In-line Memory Modules)." Interesting. According to the PDF on the CD (also can be found on the 'net where the Wafer 5820 board is for sale) *System memory: One 144-pin SODIMM socket support up to 512 MB SDRAM Bizarre, given that the ICP site: http://www.icp-electronics.com/products/singleboardcomputers/WAFER-5820-300.htm mentions "One 144-pin SO-DIMM socket up to 128MB SDRAM" but otherwise matches the PDF. Perhaps the "manual" on the Wafer 5820 that is on the CD, and around the 'net, is for a different revision or was simply wrong when produced. It certainly seems lacking in detail. Out of interest, where did you find that info that you quote? I'd be interested in a more technical manual. > Has anyone (if not, could someone) upload(ed) the Win311 network drivers from the CD? > "D:\5820\Ethernet.100\wfw311" > (I'd like to nab them, if possible) Full CD contents will be mirrored at http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/~craig/wizard/ with username "wizard" and password "bios" (that was the original purpose of the archive) within 5 mins... waiting for my scp to finish. BTW, if anybody is interested I've found that the Wizards run XFree86 4.3 with the 'nsc' driver, though with some problems. I can't make it work with the 'cyrix' driver at all. The NSC driver doesn't restore the video correctly on exit, so X is sort of a one-way trip, and it needs the 'NoAccel' parameter. As far as I can tell so far, it works fine in accellerated mode until it has to use the RENDER ext (say, for font drawing) whereupon it crashes. It should work OK in accelerated mode on Debian 3.0, since AFAIK none of the apps in Debian will use RENDER (it's generally called via freetype/xft2 by gtk2/qt3). I'll be emailing xfree86(at)xfree86.org once I've done more testing, in the hopes of seeing the accel and video restore on exit working in a later version of XFree86. I've had IceWM running with a bunch of xterms, and the XFCE4 about dialog (gtk2-based app) with acceleration enabled... so I strongly suspect it'll be useable so long as you don't touch RENDER. That'll need more testing though, at this point I'm mostly guessing. Yes I do know VESA works - but it's so /SLOW/ and the BIOS doesn't support 1280x960@16bpp through VESA, but with luck it will work natively once I increase my shared vram to 4MB. Admittedly 'nsc' with 'NoAccel' is not much faster, and is a bit buggy, but hopefully it will be useable for accelerated video later. Also, VESA mode seems bugged on 4.3, with video corruption on exit, so it's not that much better than 'nsc' anyway. I could roll back to 4.1 if needed, though. Craig Ringer From jontom@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 14 04:38:45 2003 From: jontom@iinet.net.au (Ed) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:38:45 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Install failing Message-ID: <000701c37a7a$189d32e0$24d73bcb@ed> Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone can give me some tips for installing RH9 on the wizard. So far I've tried 1) mounting the RH9 isos on the drive and adding the boot disk kernal and initrd to the lilo menu and booting this way. All was going fine until it tired to start anaconda and then the machine hung 2) Put the 5G HDD in another machine with a 2.5" - 3.5" adaptor and install RH9 that way. When I swap the drive back to the wizard it reboots itself as it is decompressing the kernel 3) as above but installed with the "noprobe" option. Same issue 4) hacked a standard floppy drive cable and used the 2.5" adaptor to connect a floppy to the floppy connector on the wizard. The floppy is not recognised and I get the floppy disk fail (40) error. I think this may have something to do with there being no connection at pin 20. So, I'm a bit stuck. Maybe its something as simple as RH9 just doesn't work on this hardware... How have others installed something on these beasts? Thanks Ed From bernard@blackham.com.au Sun Sep 14 05:54:55 2003 From: bernard@blackham.com.au (Bernard Blackham) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:54:55 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Install failing In-Reply-To: <000701c37a7a$189d32e0$24d73bcb@ed> References: <000701c37a7a$189d32e0$24d73bcb@ed> Message-ID: <20030914055454.GA5307@amidala> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 12:38:45PM +0800, Ed wrote: > 2) Put the 5G HDD in another machine with a 2.5" - 3.5" adaptor and > install RH9 that way. When I swap the drive back to the wizard it > reboots itself as it is decompressing the kernel Sounds much like the installed kernel has the wrong optimisation levels - ie, it's compiled for something > i586. Can you swap it into the other machine that you installed it on, and install an i586 or lower kernel? (The i586-tsc kernels do not work). I don't know if RH9 supports i586 or lower, but if all else fails you could just compile a known-working kernel config from scratch :) Actually, thinking about it, it must do, if the installer gets as far as anacoda. > How have others installed something on these beasts? The debian installer works fine, as does Knoppix *g*. I haven't tried anything else, or played with mine at all much lately. The install process I used was to boot into the original RH 6.2 install, copy an etherboot image onto the disk, and do a network debian install. HTH, Bernard. -- Bernard Blackham bernard at blackham dot com dot au From jontom@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 14 06:52:20 2003 From: jontom@iinet.net.au (Ed) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:52:20 +0800 Subject: FW: [Wizard] Install failing Message-ID: <000001c37a8c$c1acc000$24d73bcb@ed> Thanks Bernard, I thought that RH9 was OK with i386. I've got some debian disks around somewhere but haven't used them before. I'm always put off by the power user tag. Oh well, can't hurt to learn something new :) Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: wizard-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > [mailto:wizard-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of > Bernard Blackham > Sent: Sunday, 14 September 2003 1:55 PM > To: wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > Subject: Re: [Wizard] Install failing > > > > How have others installed something on these beasts? > > The debian installer works fine, as does Knoppix *g*. I haven't > tried anything else, or played with mine at all much lately. The > install process I used was to boot into the original RH 6.2 install, > copy an etherboot image onto the disk, and do a network debian > install. > > HTH, > > Bernard. > From leer@scea.wa.edu.au Mon Sep 15 09:44:15 2003 From: leer@scea.wa.edu.au (Lee Ryan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:44:15 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Audio drivers Message-ID: <72A88715BC36C94F9AB7849D6920281B2435CD@scea02.scea.wa.edu.au> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Does the distro that comes pre-installed on the PC have audio drivers installed? I don't have the audio header cables yet because Netway were sold out when I bought mine, but after I installed: =20 audiofile-0.1.9-3.i386.rpm esound-0.2.20-0.i386.rpm mpg123-0.59r-4.i386.rpm =20 I get the following messages: =20 /dev/dsp: No such device - seven times, then audio: No such device =20 Have I missed installing something? Thanks, =20 Lee ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/wizard/attachments/20030915/2a956690/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au Mon Sep 15 09:51:17 2003 From: cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au (Cameron Patrick) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:51:17 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Audio drivers In-Reply-To: <72A88715BC36C94F9AB7849D6920281B2435CD@scea02.scea.wa.edu.au> References: <72A88715BC36C94F9AB7849D6920281B2435CD@scea02.scea.wa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030915095117.GD13425@erdos.home> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 05:44:15PM +0800, Lee Ryan wrote: | Does the distro that comes pre-installed on the PC have audio drivers | installed? No idea, but I'd imagine not; it seemed pretty messed up to me. The kernel configuration option you're after is CONFIG_KAHLUA, confusingly described as "XpressAudio" in make menuconfig. You need to do enable the drivers like so: Sound ----> Sound card support OSS sound modules 100% Sound Blaster compatibles (SB16/32/64, ESS, Jazz16) support XpressAudio Sound Blaster emulation Note that while the XpressAudio driver is the one that works on the wizard, you still have to have SB16 support compiled in to be able to see that option. I haven't had to opportunity to actually test this yet :( as I don't have the cables required. But you can 'modprobe kahlua' to load the drivers and it seems to think it finds a sound card so hopefully it should be all good. Cameron. From scott@LinuxIT.com.au Mon Sep 15 14:03:30 2003 From: scott@LinuxIT.com.au (Scott Middleton) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:03:30 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Audio drivers In-Reply-To: <20030915095117.GD13425@erdos.home> References: <72A88715BC36C94F9AB7849D6920281B2435CD@scea02.scea.wa.edu.au> <20030915095117.GD13425@erdos.home> Message-ID: <1063634609.16392.42.camel@virgovirgo> I've been playing around with that the last couple of days. Haven't had good success yet. mp3 playback is somewhat jerky when using anything more than splay. mp3blaster is jerky at best - increasing the cache doesn't help. I am not even in swap! I wanted mp3blaster because of the ability to use the numeric keypad to control the interface. I wanted a mp3 player that can handle simple keyboard commands. So i decided to build mplayer which my preliminary tests seem OK but still have much more testing to do. If you were using Debian i could give you my kernel.deb file which is built on the 2.4.22. I have the drivers built in. I have the boot time to under 1 minute including bios start. I have partitioned the HDD into several partitions and plan on making them read-only except for the /var dir for logging and the /Music dir which i use for holding the mp3s. I have also setup the usb for so i can add my usb-stick to transfer/play songs. On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 17:51, Cameron Patrick wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 05:44:15PM +0800, Lee Ryan wrote: > | Does the distro that comes pre-installed on the PC have audio drivers > | installed? > > No idea, but I'd imagine not; it seemed pretty messed up to me. The > kernel configuration option you're after is CONFIG_KAHLUA, confusingly > described as "XpressAudio" in make menuconfig. You need to do enable the > drivers like so: > > Sound ----> > Sound card support > OSS sound modules > 100% Sound Blaster compatibles (SB16/32/64, ESS, Jazz16) support > XpressAudio Sound Blaster emulation > > Note that while the XpressAudio driver is the one that works on the > wizard, you still have to have SB16 support compiled in to be able to > see that option. > > I haven't had to opportunity to actually test this yet :( as I don't > have the cables required. But you can 'modprobe kahlua' to load the > drivers and it seems to think it finds a sound card so hopefully it > should be all good. > > Cameron. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wizard mailing list > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard -- Linux Information Technology Society of Linux Professionals WA www.LinuxIT.com.au (08) 9331 8051 From trog@iinet.net.au Mon Sep 15 14:14:51 2003 From: trog@iinet.net.au (Pel'el) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:14:51 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard Cables/Add-ons Message-ID: <2003915221451.918143@pelels> What should i have gotten with the little box on its power? anything? and if not, what do you recommend buying? i got the Ps/2 splitter. what else? what OS's run good on it? things like that if you could. (Oh OS's need to have network support, obviously) From fruchle@globaldial.com Mon Sep 15 15:12:12 2003 From: fruchle@globaldial.com (Mike Fineberg) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:12:12 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Audio drivers In-Reply-To: <1063634609.16392.42.camel@virgovirgo> References: <72A88715BC36C94F9AB7849D6920281B2435CD@scea02.scea.wa.edu.au> <20030915095117.GD13425@erdos.home> <1063634609.16392.42.camel@virgovirgo> Message-ID: <200309152312120904.1DE89518@mail.arach.net.au> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 15/09/2003 at 10:03 PM Scott Middleton wrote: >I've been playing around with that the last couple of days. Haven't had >good success yet. >mp3 playback is somewhat jerky when using anything more than splay. >mp3blaster is jerky at best - increasing the cache doesn't help. I am >not even in swap! I wanted mp3blaster because of the ability to use the >numeric keypad to control the interface. > >I wanted a mp3 player that can handle simple keyboard commands. So i >decided to build mplayer which my preliminary tests seem OK but still >have much more testing to do. I've found that comes from overly high CPU usage. In MS-DOS 7.x with MPX-Play or XTC-Player, I don't have those problems. [and they support keyboard/keypad commands, configurable] (from plug to playing mp3s in under 25 seconds :-) --------- Pel'el: while it's not the BEST choice, Win98 runs great on them, I can play Winamp, with visualizations with no skipping, etc. (Doesn't have native 8139C support, however) To buy: the audio header cable (if you want to play music) --------- I've uploaded my drivers / programs to my website, feel free to leech: http://fru.is.dreaming.org http://mornmist.2y.net/~fruchle/index.php?page=wizard From scott@LinuxIT.com.au Tue Sep 16 00:04:40 2003 From: scott@LinuxIT.com.au (Scott Middleton) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:04:40 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Audio drivers In-Reply-To: <200309152312120904.1DE89518@mail.arach.net.au> References: <72A88715BC36C94F9AB7849D6920281B2435CD@scea02.scea.wa.edu.au> <1063634609.16392.42.camel@virgovirgo> <200309152312120904.1DE89518@mail.arach.net.au> Message-ID: <1063670680.16392.59.camel@virgovirgo> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 23:12, Mike Fineberg wrote: > > I've found that comes from overly high CPU usage. In MS-DOS 7.x with MPX-Play or XTC-Player, I don't have those problems. [and they support keyboard/keypad commands, configurable] > > (from plug to playing mp3s in under 25 seconds :-) Oh well :( i can't use M$ products because i have to buy them to avoid software piracy issues and that defeats the purpose of this box. But i am also setting up for use as a portable gateway/router and proxy/dns/dhcp server so i would have to dual boot it anyway. I figured it was CPU since i am not using swap at all. Anything on the screen at all and it skips. MP3Blaster likes to put stuff on the screen while the rest doesn't. From booto@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Tue Sep 16 03:51:45 2003 From: booto@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Rohan Joyce) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:51:45 +0800 (WST) Subject: [Wizard] Wizard Cables/Add-ons In-Reply-To: <2003915221451.918143@pelels> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Pel'el wrote: > What should i have gotten with the little box on its power? anything? > > and if not, what do you recommend buying? > > i got the Ps/2 splitter. > > what else? > > what OS's run good on it? things like that if you could. (Oh OS's > need to have network support, obviously) FreeBSD is chugging along fine. At the moment, it's hosting my internal LAN's named, and xdm for remote X sessions, with fluxbox or blackbox as the wm. The remote sessions can get somewhat laggy if too much is done in them at once, but ssh/telnet access goes at a reasonable rate. --rj > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wizard mailing list > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Tue Sep 16 05:32:01 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:32:01 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Audio drivers In-Reply-To: <1063670680.16392.59.camel@virgovirgo> References: <72A88715BC36C94F9AB7849D6920281B2435CD@scea02.scea.wa.edu.au> <1063634609.16392.42.camel@virgovirgo> <200309152312120904.1DE89518@mail.arach.net.au> <1063670680.16392.59.camel@virgovirgo> Message-ID: <3F66A051.4080704@postnewspapers.com.au> > i can't use M$ products because i have to buy them to avoid software > piracy issues and that defeats the purpose of this box. But i am also > setting up for use as a portable gateway/router and proxy/dns/dhcp > server so i would have to dual boot it anyway. Hmm... while I can't really see why DOS would handle it and Linux not, FreeDOS might well run the MP3 player etc that Mike mentions - for a really quick boot, etc. > I figured it was CPU since i am not using swap at all. Anything on the > screen at all and it skips. MP3Blaster likes to put stuff on the screen > while the rest doesn't. I've had MPlayer playing low-res VIDEO on the box. It sometimes skips a little, but it does work, and that's MPEG4 so it's not what one would call light on the CPU. Alas, even running in accelerated mode (`nsc` driver) the poor thing doesn't even seem up to the CPU load of displaying a DVD when decoding is done on another machine. I'm having to use '-vo x11' in mplayer because the Xv support is so totally crap (severely pixellated, slower than native x11), but it's still the CPU not the network interface that's failing to cope. Whether it's network overhead, X11 protocol handling, or the actual video display I can't say for sure, but it doesn't like it. Oh well. My point about the video: it most certainly should be able to handle MP3s. Try increasing the buffer length in the player, make /sure/ you've enabled DMA, 32bit I/O, unmasked IRQs, and enabled multi-block reads on the HDD ( hdparm -c 1 -u 1 -m 16 -d 1 /dev/hda ), and if you need to try a preemptable kernel. A P100 can play 4 mp3 streams at the same time, so this thing sure should be able to handle one! OTOH, the FPU in the Geode is apparently garbage. It might even be worth disabling the FPU and letting linux emulate it in software, as an experiment - or perhaps using an integer MP3 decoder. By the way - when I increased the video memory on my wizard to 4MB, it stopped crashing when using RENDER/Xft2 - so it now makes quite a reasonable, zippy thin client :-) XF86Config-4 available on request. Craig Ringer From garbuck@westnet.com.au Tue Sep 16 09:07:55 2003 From: garbuck@westnet.com.au (Garry) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:07:55 +0800 (WST) Subject: [Wizard] Wizard Cables/Add-ons In-Reply-To: References: <2003915221451.918143@pelels> Message-ID: <20030916090755.8215562668@bettong.westnet.com.au> This is stating the pretty obvious, but someone might not have thought of it ok? 8^)== I've had a look at the cabling for the audio.. Remember that $15 cable that Netway was selling? Worked out a way to save ~$12.. There is a serial port which runs off a ribbon cable attached to the motherboard. The plug on this also fits the audio header.. 8^)== Either: 1. Buy a serial port plug and locate a spare RCA cable.. The hack of soldering the chopped RCA cables into the serial plug is not going to look pretty, but it is easy. 2. I'm going this way.. From Jaycar buy 2 x RCA sockets, and obtain a piece of brass/copper/something the size of a serial plug profile.. Drill a couple of holes to suit the RCA sockets, Araldite the plate in the place of the removed serial port socket.. The ribbon cable hack to attach to the back of the RCA sockets is out of sight, and the gold coloured sockets look flash in the place of the serial port socket.. No drilling/cutting of the Wizard box, and the total cost is way under $3.00.. Using the ribbon cable's red strip to keep pin 1 of the audio header sorted is a Simple But Sensible Idea(tm). The connection details for the audio header are on the .pdf (I got it from Craig's site I think) so if you know which end of the soldering iron to grasp -you will work this out soon after powering the iron on- this is a doddle. Hope this helps someone. Garry. PS Ive just bought a 40gig drive from Domain Technology and it is automagically detected in bios. They also have 20 and 30s too normally, (30gig OOS atm) if you want to save a little money. Fujitsu model number MHT2040AT On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:51:45 +0800 (WST) Rohan Joyce wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Pel'el wrote: > > > What should i have gotten with the little box on its power? > > anything? > > > > and if not, what do you recommend buying? > > > > i got the Ps/2 splitter. > > > > what else? > > > > what OS's run good on it? things like that if you could. (Oh OS's > > need to have network support, obviously) > > FreeBSD is chugging along fine. > > At the moment, it's hosting my internal LAN's named, and xdm for > remote X sessions, with fluxbox or blackbox as the wm. The remote > sessions can get somewhat laggy if too much is done in them at once, > but ssh/telnet access goes at a reasonable rate. > > --rj > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wizard mailing list > > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wizard mailing list > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > -- "Rich" is when your software costs less than your pay cheque... From cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au Tue Sep 16 11:32:51 2003 From: cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au (Cameron Patrick) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:32:51 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard Cables/Add-ons In-Reply-To: <20030916090755.8215562668@bettong.westnet.com.au> References: <2003915221451.918143@pelels> <20030916090755.8215562668@bettong.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20030916113251.GC25656@erdos.home> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 05:07:55PM +0800, Garry wrote: | Hope this helps someone. Yes, very much so :-) I'll probably try your suggestion with the audio cables some time in the next week or so... Cheers, Cameron. From jontom@iinet.net.au Tue Sep 16 13:34:11 2003 From: jontom@iinet.net.au (Ed) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:34:11 +0800 Subject: FW: [Wizard] Wizard Cables/Add-ons Message-ID: <000201c37c57$3a10bbc0$83723bcb@ed> Talking of cables, I've just hacked the molex connector so I can attach a normal IDE cable to the IDE connector via a 2.5" adaptor. So now I've got a 3.5" drive and a CD connected to the machine. Seems to be installing RH9 OK (albeit extremely slow - very slow). Plan to ghost the image of the 3.5" drive to the laptop drice when its all completed (27% done) (whoops, now 28%) Ed -----Original Message----- From: wizard-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [mailto:wizard-bounces@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] On Behalf Of Cameron Patrick Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2003 7:33 PM To: wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Subject: Re: [Wizard] Wizard Cables/Add-ons On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 05:07:55PM +0800, Garry wrote: | Hope this helps someone. Yes, very much so :-) I'll probably try your suggestion with the audio cables some time in the next week or so... Cheers, Cameron. _______________________________________________ Wizard mailing list Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard From fruchle@globaldial.com Tue Sep 16 00:19:11 2003 From: fruchle@globaldial.com (Mike Fineberg) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:19:11 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Audio drivers In-Reply-To: <1063670680.16392.59.camel@virgovirgo> References: <72A88715BC36C94F9AB7849D6920281B2435CD@scea02.scea.wa.edu.au> <1063634609.16392.42.camel@virgovirgo> <200309152312120904.1DE89518@mail.arach.net.au> <1063670680.16392.59.camel@virgovirgo> Message-ID: <200309160819110958.1FDC71B8@mail.arach.net.au> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 16/09/2003 at 8:04 AM Scott Middleton wrote: >On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 23:12, Mike Fineberg wrote: > >> >> I've found that comes from overly high CPU usage. In MS-DOS 7.x with >MPX-Play or XTC-Player, I don't have those problems. [and they support >keyboard/keypad commands, configurable] >> >> (from plug to playing mp3s in under 25 seconds :-) > >Oh well :( > i can't use M$ products because i have to buy them to avoid software >piracy issues and that defeats the purpose of this box. http://www.freedos.org done. :-) >But i am also >setting up for use as a portable gateway/router and proxy/dns/dhcp >server so i would have to dual boot it anyway. > >I figured it was CPU since i am not using swap at all. Anything on the >screen at all and it skips. MP3Blaster likes to put stuff on the screen >while the rest doesn't. MPX-Player is very configurable about how much it puts on the screen (from multiple visualisation options, to text only vis, to 3, to 2, to 0 lines of output.) From garbuck@westnet.com.au Wed Sep 17 01:17:13 2003 From: garbuck@westnet.com.au (Garry) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:17:13 +0800 (WST) Subject: [Wizard] Wizard grunt Message-ID: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> I'd like to be able to use my Wizard as a gateway/mirror, with no X.. I'd appreciate opinions on whether it has the grunt to do the job.. At this stage I'll stick with the stock 32M RAM. Run psuedu interfaces (into a switch) for: pppoe for the ADSL wireless ethernet IP range wired ethernet IP range low demand apache server - but offering local deb mirror access Of course it will run sshd to local and wireless, periodic rsync client sessions for the mirror and the usual other small things, like firewall/routing for the interfaces above.. The HDD is 40 gig, so I'll have a portable server.. 8^)== Or is this psuedo interface idea really silly from a security and/or performance point of view? Appreciate experience/guesses.. Regards Garry. -- "Rich" is when your software costs less than your pay cheque... From james@cybix.com.au Wed Sep 17 01:31:56 2003 From: james@cybix.com.au (James Mandy) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:31:56 +0800 (WST) Subject: [Wizard] RAM upgrade Message-ID: Has anyone upgraded the RAM on their Wizard? I've just ordered a pile of Kingston 128Mb SO-DIMMS, hoping they work okay... will advise of outcome, and if anyone's interested, I may be selling them if they work well at a reasonable price (compared to Netway for example) James From steve@DigitalSmarties.com Wed Sep 17 01:28:40 2003 From: steve@DigitalSmarties.com (Steve Landers) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:28:40 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard grunt In-Reply-To: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <447BCCDD-E8AE-11D7-9441-00039305E9C6@DigitalSmarties.com> On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 09:17 AM, Garry wrote: > I'd like to be able to use my Wizard as a gateway/mirror, with no X.. > I'd appreciate opinions on whether it has the grunt to do the job.. At > this stage I'll stick with the stock 32M RAM. I currently run an e-smith server/gateway (http://www.e-smith.org) on a PPro 200 with 64 Mb + 2x30 Gb disks in a software RAID mirror. Works well mostly (except when rebuilding the RAID mirror - but you expect that). I'm in the process of installing e-smith on a Wizard (but with 128 Mb memory - I had an old notebook memory card in the drawer :-)). Given that the PPro 200 shows 398 bogomips and the Wizard slightly more (460?) I'm hopeful that the Wizard will perform adequately. If it works out I'll probably try it as a gateway using a USB Etthernet adaptor for the second interface. HTH Steve -- Steve Landers Software Design Solutions Digital Smarties steve@DigitalSmarties.com Perth, Western Australia DigitalSmarties.com From davidb-8631@rcpt.to Wed Sep 17 01:32:23 2003 From: davidb-8631@rcpt.to (David Basden) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:32:23 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard grunt In-Reply-To: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> References: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20030917013223.GM7502@discordia.rcpt.to> If what you're talking about is running the back of your ADSL modem/bridge into the same switch fabric as your private network, yes it's silly from a security point of view. If you totally trust Telstra and your upstream DSL provider it's not a problem, but it's still bad practice. If you're running 802.1q from your switch to the Wizard with seperate VLANs, it isn't quite as much of an issue (as long as your switch has no security issues that could be compromised remotely, which unfortunately hasn't always been the case even with major vendors), but if you try to pull too much traffic through the Wizard you might have performance issues. David On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 09:17:13AM +0800, Garry wrote: > I'd like to be able to use my Wizard as a gateway/mirror, with no X.. > I'd appreciate opinions on whether it has the grunt to do the job.. At > this stage I'll stick with the stock 32M RAM. > > Run psuedu interfaces (into a switch) for: > > pppoe for the ADSL > wireless ethernet IP range > wired ethernet IP range > low demand apache server - but offering local deb mirror access > > Of course it will run sshd to local and wireless, periodic rsync client > sessions for the mirror and the usual other small things, like > firewall/routing for the interfaces above.. > > The HDD is 40 gig, so I'll have a portable server.. 8^)== > > Or is this psuedo interface idea really silly from a security and/or > performance point of view? Appreciate experience/guesses.. > > Regards > > Garry. > -- > > "Rich" is when your software costs less than your pay cheque... > > > _______________________________________________ > Wizard mailing list > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > > > From harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au Wed Sep 17 01:45:23 2003 From: harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:45:23 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] RAM upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030917094523.24984511.harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:31:56 +0800 (WST) James Mandy wrote: > Has anyone upgraded the RAM on their Wizard? > > I've just ordered a pile of Kingston 128Mb SO-DIMMS, hoping they work > okay... will advise of outcome, and if anyone's interested, I may be > selling them if they work well at a reasonable price (compared to Netway > for example) I'd be interested in how they go James. I was just thinking about a bit more RAM for one of the boxes. We are looking at running a micro-server as a mailman machine here on ADSL so we thought performance isn't critical but if people are going to use the web archves and such then maybe we need a bit more RAM. All the best Harry -- linux.conf.au 2004 The Australian Linux Technical Conference http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ 12-17 January 2004, Adelaide, South Australia Are you a computer angel? http://www.computerangels.org.au/ From adrian@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Sep 17 03:10:54 2003 From: adrian@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:10:54 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Audio drivers In-Reply-To: <200309160819110958.1FDC71B8@mail.arach.net.au> References: <72A88715BC36C94F9AB7849D6920281B2435CD@scea02.scea.wa.edu.au> <1063634609.16392.42.camel@virgovirgo> <200309152312120904.1DE89518@mail.arach.net.au> <1063670680.16392.59.camel@virgovirgo> <200309160819110958.1FDC71B8@mail.arach.net.au> Message-ID: <20030917031053.GB20499@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003, Mike Fineberg wrote: > >Oh well :( > > i can't use M$ products because i have to buy them to avoid software > >piracy issues and that defeats the purpose of this box. > > http://www.freedos.org FreeDOS is cute but not 100% compatible. adrian From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Wed Sep 17 06:03:42 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:03:42 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard grunt In-Reply-To: <20030917013223.GM7502@discordia.rcpt.to> References: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> <20030917013223.GM7502@discordia.rcpt.to> Message-ID: <3F67F93E.9040201@postnewspapers.com.au> David Basden wrote: > If what you're talking about is running the back of your ADSL > modem/bridge into the same switch fabric as your private network, yes > it's silly from a security point of view. I'm strongly inclined to agree. It's not /quite/ so bad if you're using a PPPoE based DSL connection, but if you're using a bridged connection or letting your router do the PPPoE you're exposing your internal lan to anybody who can send spoofed packets through. NAT is no guarantee of protection, though it does make things harder. You're also betting your network on the hope that the next major worm doesn't also affect the embedded OS on your DSL router :-( Even if you're using a basic DSL modem or a DSL router configured in basic modem mode, you're still putting what's effectively a WAN bridge on your internal LAN that links your LAN to the LAN the DSLAMs etc at your ISP live on. No, thanks! The DSL modem, after all, operates as a long-distance ethernet bridge (not, I hope, a repeater - can somebody confirm this?). It just happens that your ISP wants you to run PPPoE traffic over that ethernet link, and configures it so that you can't get out to the internet directly over it. Many older DSL connections had that bridged ethernet link directly connected to the ISP's routers, and there was no PPPoE involved - this is how our 'net connection at the POST used to work. I gather that some DSL modems now do PPPoA (PPP over ATM), which removes the ethernet bridge from play but has it's own complications. I will never connect multiple networks of different security levels (802.11?, ethernet, WAN links) except when physically separated and only linked by a router. That means oodles of ethernet ports. As David Basden stated, 802.1q VLANs may improve this, as with VLANs you can provide 'virtual' separate networks. However, your switch is unlikely to support VLANs. Basically, it'll work, it's not horribly insecure, but I would never do it. I can easily see worm traffic making it onto the DSLAM's local lan, and from there to you Anyway... hope I made sense. I've just realised I'm more tired than I thought, so there might be a higher-than-desired gibberish factor here. Craig Ringer From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Wed Sep 17 06:05:04 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:05:04 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] RAM upgrade In-Reply-To: <20030917094523.24984511.harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au> References: <20030917094523.24984511.harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au> Message-ID: <3F67F990.9010603@postnewspapers.com.au> > I'd be interested in how they go James. I was just thinking about a bit > more RAM for one of the boxes. Me, too. I want to use at least one of mine as a thin client, and it'd perform a lot better if I could give it some more RAM. In particular, I should be able to enable the XFree86 backing store, improving redraws of obscured windows etc. Craig Ringer From harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au Wed Sep 17 06:36:07 2003 From: harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au (Harry McNally) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:36:07 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard grunt In-Reply-To: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> References: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <20030917143607.48ce668f.harrymc@decisions-and-designs.com.au> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:17:13 +0800 (WST) Garry wrote: > I'd like to be able to use my Wizard as a gateway/mirror, with no X.. > I'd appreciate opinions on whether it has the grunt to do the job.. At > this stage I'll stick with the stock 32M RAM. > > Run psuedu interfaces (into a switch) for: > > pppoe for the ADSL > wireless ethernet IP range > wired ethernet IP range > low demand apache server - but offering local deb mirror access Hi Garry My approach is more a blunt instrument with the firewall setup due to inability to stop tinkering with hardware :) I'm planning is to use three of our Wizards in the following way: ADSL --- red - FloydWhiz - green --- switch --- MicroServerWhiz (fetchmail) | | orange rest of internal LAN | NetWhiz So I've got hardware separation of various functions but in a group of packages that are going to use around 30W (plus ADSL modem). We've got an ether ADSL so I've looked at these dual PC-104 cards http://www.backplane.com.au/DataSheets/icop1510.html I have a quote from Backplane for $183 + GST + $15 + GST freight. but I was _sure_ I saw these (or a clone) on a web site to buy somewhere for $40 US. I've since scratted through Mozilla histories etc and can't relocate the page. Conclusion: hoax, withdrawn, too much red wine that night .. *sigh* Since I'm about to buy this from an AU company and not slip one quietly through the mail, if anyone else is interested in buying one of these then a volume purchase may assist with the price and freight somewhat. Let us know on the list if you're interested. I know I could get a Billion and use the USB etc etc but I want the DMZ port anyway so I figured go the whole hog.. cu Harry -- linux.conf.au 2004 The Australian Linux Technical Conference http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ 12-17 January 2004, Adelaide, South Australia Are you a computer angel? http://www.computerangels.org.au/ From adrian@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Wed Sep 17 08:01:27 2003 From: adrian@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:01:27 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard grunt In-Reply-To: <3F67F93E.9040201@postnewspapers.com.au> References: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> <20030917013223.GM7502@discordia.rcpt.to> <3F67F93E.9040201@postnewspapers.com.au> Message-ID: <20030917080127.GC20499@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003, Craig Ringer wrote: > The DSL modem, after all, operates as a long-distance ethernet bridge > (not, I hope, a repeater - can somebody confirm this?). It just happens It doesn't matter - you're not on a shared electrical medium. Since there's only you and your DSLAM, a "bridge" doesn't really make much difference. > that your ISP wants you to run PPPoE traffic over that ethernet link, > and configures it so that you can't get out to the internet directly > over it. Many older DSL connections had that bridged ethernet link > directly connected to the ISP's routers, and there was no PPPoE involved > - this is how our 'net connection at the POST used to work. I gather > that some DSL modems now do PPPoA (PPP over ATM), which removes the > ethernet bridge from play but has it's own complications. Nonono - the DSL link runs ATM. Thats why you configure VCI/VPI's. You then run either PPP over Ethernet over ATM or PPP over ATM. This is why you'll not get 30k/sec over your 256k DSL link.. > I will never connect multiple networks of different security levels > (802.11?, ethernet, WAN links) except when physically separated and only > linked by a router. That means oodles of ethernet ports. > Basically, it'll work, it's not horribly insecure, but I would never do > it. I can easily see worm traffic making it onto the DSLAM's local lan, > and from there to you There's no "local LAN" per se. You shouldn't (I hope!) see any ethernet L2 traffic from your neighbours. Perhaps, for example, you'll get this on a shared cable fabric. Adrian From craig@postnewspapers.com.au Wed Sep 17 08:22:03 2003 From: craig@postnewspapers.com.au (Craig Ringer) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:22:03 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard grunt In-Reply-To: <20030917080127.GC20499@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> <20030917013223.GM7502@discordia.rcpt.to> <3F67F93E.9040201@postnewspapers.com.au> <20030917080127.GC20499@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <3F6819AB.4060308@postnewspapers.com.au> > Nonono - the DSL link runs ATM. Thats why you configure VCI/VPI's. > You then run either PPP over Ethernet over ATM or PPP over ATM. > This is why you'll not get 30k/sec over your 256k DSL link.. Indeed. Sorry, I probably wasn't clear about what I meant there. I realise the ATM layer is always there, but the existance of an ethernet layer does change the way the DSL modem appears to work - as well as wasting some more bandwidth, of course. There is a 3rd option though: just running Ethernet over ATM, with no PPP at all. Personally, I liked that system - no "authentication servers" to be constantly playing up. Oh well. >>Basically, it'll work, it's not horribly insecure, but I would never do >>it. I can easily see worm traffic making it onto the DSLAM's local lan, >>and from there to you > > There's no "local LAN" per se. You shouldn't (I hope!) see any ethernet > L2 traffic from your neighbours. Perhaps, for example, you'll get this > on a shared cable fabric. Fair enough. I can't claim enough knowledge about the ISP's end of things... but I wouldn't trust Telstra to configure a DSLAM to be secure, given that they seem to have trouble configuring them to work :-P Craig Ringer From davidb-8631@rcpt.to Wed Sep 17 08:48:37 2003 From: davidb-8631@rcpt.to (David Basden) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:48:37 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Wizard grunt In-Reply-To: <20030917080127.GC20499@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20030917011713.97FD56003E@bettong.westnet.com.au> <20030917013223.GM7502@discordia.rcpt.to> <3F67F93E.9040201@postnewspapers.com.au> <20030917080127.GC20499@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030917084837.GA15287@discordia.rcpt.to> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 04:01:27PM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > There's no "local LAN" per se. You shouldn't (I hope!) see any ethernet > L2 traffic from your neighbours. Perhaps, for example, you'll get this > on a shared cable fabric. >From when I had cable net access, yes you do, and no, noone bothers to encrypt or firewall. David From bradoman@iinet.net.au Wed Sep 17 12:40:00 2003 From: bradoman@iinet.net.au (Steven Bradley) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:40:00 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] BIOS Clock stopped Message-ID: <3F685620.9080805@iinet.net.au> Greetings All, I've noticed my wiz's bios clock is stopped, and Debian seems to have trouble when reading or writing to the hardware clock. Has anyone had this trouble before? What can be done about it? I've tried reseting the bios, it had no effect. I believe it could be the clock battery causing the probem, as its voltage runs a little under 3V however, my other wizard's clock runs fine, its battery is just over 3V, and when I swap batteries the clock doesn't restart, or stop. Help!? Steven From garbuck@westnet.com.au Wed Sep 17 13:59:26 2003 From: garbuck@westnet.com.au (Garry) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:59:26 +0800 (WST) Subject: [Wizard] BIOS Clock stopped In-Reply-To: <3F685620.9080805@iinet.net.au> References: <3F685620.9080805@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <20030917135926.0E4856674E@bettong.westnet.com.au> Tried swapping the good battery in? HTH Garry On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:40:00 +0800 Steven Bradley wrote: > Greetings All, > > I've noticed my wiz's bios clock is stopped, and Debian seems to have > trouble when reading or writing to the hardware clock. Has anyone had > this trouble before? What can be done about it? > > I've tried reseting the bios, it had no effect. > > I believe it could be the clock battery causing the probem, as its > voltage runs a little under 3V however, my other wizard's clock runs > fine, its battery is just over 3V, and when I swap batteries the clock > doesn't restart, or stop. > > Help!? > Steven > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wizard mailing list > Wizard@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au > http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/wizard > -- "Rich" is when your software costs less than your pay cheque... From trog@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 21 03:19:00 2003 From: trog@iinet.net.au (Pel'el) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:19:00 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Power Switch Message-ID: <200392111191.491216@pelels> Heh, slightly embarrassing, but last night, while trying to make my wizard into the leet wiztendo, i managed to strip of the remaining color off the power wires. (Couldn't get it out of the steel case, without a hacksaw. and hacksaws would damage the case if i ever wanted it back to normal.) can someone tell me which wire goes where on the power adaptor clip? red bent terminal, black straight terminal. or black bent terminal, red straight terminal. normally this wouldn't be a problem, however ive come across more than one power adaptor that reverses the power. thanks. From trog@iinet.net.au Sun Sep 21 04:31:46 2003 From: trog@iinet.net.au (Pel'el) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:31:46 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] Power Message-ID: <2003921123146.985341@pelels> Found the answer. Didn't fry it. Works great again. Thanks anyway. -Pel'el- From sales@statusit.com Mon Sep 22 15:24:50 2003 From: sales@statusit.com (Colbey Elliott (Status IT)) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:24:50 +0800 Subject: [Wizard] PC104 "Wizard PC" Message-ID: <200309221524.h8MFOuSD035037@thunder.netspace.net.au> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/related attachment ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C38160.BC26AA80 =20 Status IT ABN: 58 115 097 596 Colbey Elliott HYPERLINK "mailto:sales@statusit.com"sales@statusit.com HYPERLINK "http://www.statusit.com"http://www.statusit.com _____ =20 Hi, =20 I was told to contact you regarding the Wizard PC=92s you were = apparently selling off? Do you still have any, and at what pricing? =20 Thankyou!=20 =20 Regards, =20 Colbey Elliott =20 Notice: This E-mail may be confidential and only the intended recipient may = access or use it. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this = e-mail and notify the sender immediately. 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