[committee] Restrictions on group applications for freshers

[Sam Moore]

1. I think we are off topic, but I agree with Ash
2. http://www.ucc.asn.au/infobase/policies/guidelines.ucc
That page lists the group admission guidelines. It does not mention any 
restrictions on group applications for freshers.
That being said, it also neglects to mention the LOLDOG test for door 
members.
I have had complaints that this page is hard to find. Should we consider 
relocating it?

3. I was not aware of any recent group applications that had been rejected 
due to this "policy".
4. People do not get on groups by complaining that they are not on a
group. This attitude irritates me.

[SZM]

On Fri, 20 May 2011, Ash Tyndall wrote:

> I am personally of the opinion that a clear-cut audit trail is always nice,
> trust or not. There is always the potential to need to investigate a
> dispense log entry, but if time has past since the event, the wheel member
> involved may have even forgotten that they were responsible for the
> dispense. If we're going to keep logs, we should be doing it properly. I
> would support modifying dispense so that in general, it cannot perform
> actions as root; probably with the exemption of automated events like
> initial membership credit.
> 
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Bob Adamson <bob at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2011, Daniel Axtens wrote:
> 
> > >> Another alarming thing that needs to be addressed is the 10% of
> the
> > >> additions are done by wheel members using root!
> > >
> > > I don't see how this is alarming or needs to be addressed. If you
> can't
> > > trust wheel, you can't trust anybody, and I don't like what your
> statement
> > > implies.
> >
> > Again I find myself advocating due process. :/
> >
> > I was under the impression that the new version of coke designed to
> reduce dispense as root. Furthermore, not knowing any wheel members
> who are not also coke members, I'm unsure what could be accomplished
> by dispensing as root as opposed to dispensing as self? Feel free to
> enlighten me.
> >
> > I also distinctly remember being told off by someone (trs80, I
> think) for using dispense as root, and am a better person as a result
> of the reproof :P
> >
> > [DJA]
> 
> The root user is an admin that can add/subtract money, set an account
> to
> an arbitrary value, and create accounts. The new system was designed
> so
> that root can't dispense items. This was aimed at preventing wheel
> members
> from accidentally dispensing an item as root (which charges the root
> account) when they weren't paying attention to what shell they had
> open,
> and unknowingly getting free items.
> 
> There is no gain or loss for wheel members adding/subtracting credit
> as
> root - it still has to be applied to a non-root account and the safe
> still
> has to balance at the end of the week. I would point out that only 51
> 'dispense adds' have been done as root this year (the other 44 were
> new
> users being given credit), of which 22 were myself. Not exactly a huge
> number. Personally, my 'dispense adds' are generally due to the fact
> that
> I'm in the middle of doing something on a server when someone asks me
> for
> credit, and I want to get back to what I was doing with minimal
> effort.
> 
> Bob Adamson
> UCC President
> 
> |"Bureaucracy is a challenge to the be conquered with a righteous    
>    |
> |attitude, an intolerance for stupidity, and a bulldozer when
> necessary" |
> | ---Peter's Laws                                                    
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