[committee] [ucc] What if...

[William Chesnutt]

Hi to all,

This is obviously an important issue that has been bubbling under the
surface for weeks now. Firstly it is, in my opinion, healthier to get it
all out in the open.

I won't touch much on what Grace and Dylan have stated, except to say that
I agree with it, and that I have never seen someone discriminated against
in UCC based on race, gender, sexuality, or anything else.

What I do want to touch on is the idea that we promote a unwelcoming
environment to, for lack of a better term, minorities. I simply don't see
that as the case. I agree that UCC is, to a degree, cliquey. As are all of
the other Cameron Hall clubs. Any club that is in any way social is going
to have cliques. In small clubs, such as Cameron Hall clubs, people who
don't fit in to those cliques often find it easy to walk away. This
decision is no doubt helped by the multitude of guild affiliated clubs at
UWA, though that's another conversation. As for the nature of those
unisfa/unigames cliques, I will only offer a quote.

"The crunch time for tolerance in this country will be when gays and
lesbians can openly admit they are Conservatives" - Philip Levy

The fact is that there are cliques here, as everywhere. They're mostly
groups of people who like computers, and who get along. And if they can't
get along, they at least acknowledge that it's better to try. I find it
hard to believe any member of ours who would've gained value from the club,
and would have been a valuable contributor, would be driven away. When
people show genuine interest in learning about HOW the systems work, and
HOW they're set up, and HOW things are in the club, I have only seen them
welcomed.

At the end of the day, I feel that the loud voices coming from outside of
the club about how the club should change all seem to be coming from people
who have no desire to get involved in the tech side of the club anyway,
which is really the heart and soul of the club. They all seem to want the
club to change so that it runs in a way which is something they like. Not
because they want to participate and actively help. People who want to get
actively involved, and contribute, tend to do so. As always with these
sorts of discussions, it is important to remember that we are completely
run by volunteers, wheel and committee alike.

UCC for the UCCans, and the UCCans for UCC.

Kind regards to all,
William Chesnutt
[JWB]

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:17 PM William Chesnutt <
justwilliambrown101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi to all,
>
> This is obviously an important issue that has been bubbling under the
> surface for weeks now. Firstly it is, in my opinion, healthier to get it
> all out in the open.
>
> I won't touch much on what Grace and Dylan have stated, except to say that
> I agree with it, and that I have never seen someone discriminated against
> in UCC based on race, gender, sexuality, or anything else.
>
> What I do want to touch on is the idea that we promote a unwelcoming
> environment to, for lack of a better term, minorities. I simply don't see
> that as the case. I agree that UCC is, to a degree, cliquey. As are all of
> the other Cameron Hall clubs. Any club that is in any way social is going
> to have cliques. In small clubs, such as Cameron Hall clubs, people who
> don't fit in to those cliques often find it easy to walk away. This
> decision is no doubt helped by the multitude of guild affiliated clubs at
> UWA, though that's another conversation. As for the nature of those
> unisfa/unigames cliques, I will only offer a quote.
>
> "The crunch time for tolerance in this country will be when gays and
> lesbians can openly admit they are Conservatives" - Philip Levy
>
> The fact is that there are cliques here, as everywhere. They're mostly
> groups of people who like computers, and who get along. And if they can't
> get along, they at least acknowledge that it's better to try. I find it
> hard to believe any member of ours who would've gained value from the club,
> and would have been a valuable contributor, would be driven away. When
> people show genuine interest in learning about HOW the systems work, and
> HOW they're set up, and HOW things are in the club, I have only seen them
> welcomed.
>
> At the end of the day, I feel that the loud voices coming from outside of
> the club about how the club should change all seem to be coming from people
> who have no desire to get involved in the tech side of the club anyway,
> which is really the heart and soul of the club. They all seem to want the
> club to change so that it runs in a way which is something they like. Not
> because they want to participate and actively help. People who want to get
> actively involved, and contribute, tend to do so. As always with these
> sorts of discussions, it is important to remember that we are completely
> run by volunteers, wheel and committee alike.
>
> UCC for the UCCans, and the UCCans for UCC.
>
> Kind regards to all,
> William Chesnutt
> [JWB]
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:37 PM Susie Johnston <susie at ucc.asn.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On 26 Mar 2019, at 4:26 pm, Grace Rosario <20483992 at student.uwa.edu.au>
>> wrote:
>> > Since you seem to enjoy using anecdotes, I can give you an anecdote
>> about how unpleasent UniSFA can be if you would like:
>> > The second last time that I went into UniSFA (late 2018/early 2019), it
>> was to tell someone to shut up because I could hear them yelling "oh fuck"
>> at the top of their lungs, multiple times in the span of a few minutes, and
>> I could hear them from the other side of the hall.
>> > Most unisfans are lovely people, and most of the time their club is
>> nice, but I uncomfortable with the actions of an individual in that club
>> once.
>> >
>>
>> Unisfa has been much worse than UCC for me. From memory, I’ve only had
>> one UCC member grope me while they were drunk at parties; whilst I’ve had
>> numerous Unisfans grope me while sober in the middle of the club room...
>>
>> Though that was due to specific ick individuals rather than the club
>> itself.
>>
>> Thinking back on my unisfa days, I used to tell a story about how lovely
>> a guy was because when I was completely smashed he drove me home and helped
>> me to my door and didn’t try anything. That *should* have been the norm.
>> Not the exception.
>>
>>
>>
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